Assassination Classroom [ENDGAME]

[juliets]

Good morning - Epi why the vote for Kyle?

I've also been thinking about INH but I know he's been involved in the Genius game. He is looking like he did in GOC though - not posting much or actually this is a little worse.

[juliets]

I see Marmot voted Jay - did he say why and I missed it? If not, Marmot why?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I want to push one of those people who kept flip-flopping wagons on Day 1. Jay, Juliets, Mac and Jack. I already gave my reasons why I think Jay is a civ (which should be taken with ten grains of salt) but the others are a big question mark in my imaginary rainbow.

What do you mean "kept flip flopping wagons"? I made one change, that was it.

Fair enough, it's just that you appear in two of the main wagons.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

This is the most obvious fake effort post I have ever seen. None of the points you have raised are logical. It's a huge colourful monstrosity that is designed to make you seem like you are contributing. Your last point is just total speculation for instance.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

It is total speculation. I didn't do this because I wanted to make a point. I did it to produce data, then analyse whether I could gather anything from that data (not much, I admit). I thought it was a good use of my time since I'm not sure who I want to lynch anymore.

Besides, Sprityo asked for it, and a lot of people said they wanted it implemented in the forum, so I'm not the only one who could use it? And it can be revisited once we get a scum flip and become much more useful.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I want to push one of those people who kept flip-flopping wagons on Day 1. Jay, Juliets, Mac and Jack. I already gave my reasons why I think Jay is a civ (which should be taken with ten grains of salt) but the others are a big question mark in my imaginary rainbow.

Do you usually decide who to vote for based on emotionless arbitrary calculations with no actual evidence to suggest that the hypothesis is alignment indicative or are you just doing it here because you have no suspects?

I'm an engineer bro. Emotionless arbitrary calculations is how I feed myself.

Now seriously, I see no problem applying hard logic to problems like this just to see what happens.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Flip flopping wagons is a town tell not a scum tell btw.

Not necessarily. If one of those wagons was on a baddie, leaving it is a scum tell.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The mafia team has (presumably):

Killed Dyslexicon
Silenced Scotty
Killed sig
Silenced JJJ

When your team has a mafia silencer, at what point is it optimal to silence one of your own?

Knowing that silenced persons are almost never lynched here, what do you do?

I'd say... not when the person is in danger of being lynched soon, because we aren't THAT merciful. GoC shows a lot of examples of that.

But when the person has just a little suspicion on them and wants to stall... may be a good use of it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

His reaction to me trying to analyse votes is to smear the whole method... after I mention him in the suspect list.

I mean it's not like I'm trying to invent the wheel this is basic vote analysis only with colors. We do that every game.

Yeah this is OMGUS but fuck it.

[Long Con]

I believe at least one of Jack or Mac are definitely bad, after the shitshow they willingly turned the Day 1 lynch into. [VOTE: Macdougal] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Hey [mention]Quin[/mention] why does the poll lack an end time?

[Quin]

Hey @Quin why does the poll lack an end time?

Ehh... I must have forgot to set an end for it. I'll make sure to end it manually come EoD.

[Scotty]

Why are you both assuming JJJ is silenced? He hasn’t voted yet.

What does that have to do with anything?

Why are you both assuming JJJ is silenced? He hasn’t voted yet.

I wasn't assuming shit. I was just answering his question.

What was life like as a silenced person? I presume it was lonely and confronting.

God, being in a room with just you two is like discussing makeup application with a coupla Brooklyn construction workers

Being in conversation with you is what I imagine communicating with a sentient broom would be like.

Ok I gotta admit that made me bristle with laughter

[Scotty]

That both DDL and LC came to the same conclusion about Mac at the same time or it’s purelt coincidence.

I’m assuming the former but if things go awry I’m keeping this saved in memory

[Dragon D. Luffy]

That both DDL and LC came to the same conclusion about Mac at the same time or it’s purelt coincidence.

I’m assuming the former but if things go awry I’m keeping this saved in memory

Well there was a 2 minute difference maybe he read my post and thought "oh yeah I wanna put my vote there too".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The Day 2 lynch was calm, controlled, and featured very little vote motion.

A civilian was still lynched.

I don’t understand why the events of Day 1 are being viewed as more suspicious. That’s backwards.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have no interest in voting for either Mac or DDL.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

novaselinenever under lynch pressure: loud, engaged, angry

novaselinenever since: *crickets*

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The Day 2 lynch was calm, controlled, and featured very little vote motion.

A civilian was still lynched.

I don’t understand why the events of Day 1 are being viewed as more suspicious. That’s backwards.

It's more like there is more data in the day 1 lynch than in day 2.

People changing back and forth from lynches tells more about them than everyone collectively voting the low posters.

Sure, the people voting for the low posters are really suspicious, but there is a whole lot less meat for us to look at.

[juliets]

The Day 2 lynch was calm, controlled, and featured very little vote motion.

A civilian was still lynched.

I don’t understand why the events of Day 1 are being viewed as more suspicious. That’s backwards.

It's more like there is more data in the day 1 lynch than in day 2.

People changing back and forth from lynches tells more about them than everyone collectively voting the low posters.

Sure, the people voting for the low posters are really suspicious, but there is a whole lot less meat for us to look at.

Why are the people voting for the low poster "really suspicious"? You played GOC - remember the low posting there from INH, Lorab, Dr. Wilgy, Marmot, and Boomslang? All were mafia. I learned there that there really is some truth to the low poster=sometimes a mafia tell.

I am not sure who I want to vote for today but I'm not feeling a DDL vote. I don't feel a Mac vote either. I'm going to take a look at sprityo, nova, Marmot and maybe INH.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The Day 2 lynch was calm, controlled, and featured very little vote motion.

A civilian was still lynched.

I don’t understand why the events of Day 1 are being viewed as more suspicious. That’s backwards.

It's more like there is more data in the day 1 lynch than in day 2.

People changing back and forth from lynches tells more about them than everyone collectively voting the low posters.

Sure, the people voting for the low posters are really suspicious, but there is a whole lot less meat for us to look at.

Why are the people voting for the low poster "really suspicious"? You played GOC - remember the low posting there from INH, Lorab, Dr. Wilgy, Marmot, and Boomslang? All were mafia. I learned there that there really is some truth to the low poster=sometimes a mafia tell.

I am not sure who I want to vote for today but I'm not feeling a DDL vote. I don't feel a Mac vote either. I'm going to take a look at sprityo, nova, Marmot and maybe INH.

But Avito was a civ. There were 7 people voting for the guy who did nothing. It is a ridiculously easy wagon for a mafioso to jump in.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t care that a vote was placed. I care why.

[juliets]

The Day 2 lynch was calm, controlled, and featured very little vote motion.

A civilian was still lynched.

I don’t understand why the events of Day 1 are being viewed as more suspicious. That’s backwards.

It's more like there is more data in the day 1 lynch than in day 2.

People changing back and forth from lynches tells more about them than everyone collectively voting the low posters.

Sure, the people voting for the low posters are really suspicious, but there is a whole lot less meat for us to look at.

Why are the people voting for the low poster "really suspicious"? You played GOC - remember the low posting there from INH, Lorab, Dr. Wilgy, Marmot, and Boomslang? All were mafia. I learned there that there really is some truth to the low poster=sometimes a mafia tell.

I am not sure who I want to vote for today but I'm not feeling a DDL vote. I don't feel a Mac vote either. I'm going to take a look at sprityo, nova, Marmot and maybe INH.

But Avito was a civ. There were 7 people voting for the guy who did nothing. It is a ridiculously easy wagon for a mafioso to jump in.

Yes, I understand the result was wrong but his behavior fit a pattern that many times leads to mafia. If I had known he was civ I of course wouldn't have voted him.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

juliets I'm not trying to find blame in the civs who thought this was a good idea.

I'm trying to find the baddies who blended with them.

In fact, this wasn't a bad idea. Avito wasn't doing anything. It was a good shot to make. But it's also a good lynch to look at, possibly.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don’t care that a vote was placed. I care why.

Make your point. Whose vote is suspicious?

[juliets]

juliets I'm not trying to find blame in the civs who thought this was a good idea.

I'm trying to find the baddies who blended with them.

In fact, this wasn't a bad idea. Avito wasn't doing anything. It was a good shot to make. But it's also a good lynch to look at, possibly.

Ok I understand, and in fact I agree that some baddies probably joined in. I'll relook at the vote order in fact.

[juliets]

So [mention]Marmot[/mention] can you clue me in as to why you voted for me?

[juliets]

So @Marmot can you clue me in as to why you voted for me?

Oh, maybe you're silenced...

[juliets]

Day 2

Spoiler: show

Jay - Avito
Sprityo - Penny
Avito - nova
Scotty - ???
juliets - Avito
Epi - nova
Scotty - LC
DDL - nova
wolbre - Avito
Jay - nova
LC - nova
Jay - Avito
nova - Avito
Mac - nova
Marmot - Marmot
Epi - Marmot
Jack - Avito
Kyle - Avito
Avito - nova

Scotty - Avito (unknown time)

Jay
Sprityo
Avito
Scotty
juliets
Epi
Scotty
DDL
wolbre
Jay
LC
Jay
nova
Mac
Marmot
Epi
Jack
Kyle
Avito

Scotty (unknown time)

Note: Scotty's votes are weird because he was silenced. I don't know who his first vote was for (only saw people commenting on it) and I don't know when he changed it to Avito.

Well there are two clear wagons here. nova and Avito. All of the day's focus is on them. Avito was a civ. nova may or may not have been bad. If nova is bad, this is pure gold, otherwise, meh. This was a low activity day, after all.

DDL, is this somehow telling me what order the votes were in? Like who voted Avito 1st, 2cnd, 3rd, etc?

[juliets]

Marmot has changed to Epi now so I think he is signaling us that he is silenced. Why would someone silence Marmot though? He hasn't been talking a lot.

[Long Con]

The Day 2 lynch was calm, controlled, and featured very little vote motion.

A civilian was still lynched.

I don’t understand why the events of Day 1 are being viewed as more suspicious. That’s backwards.

It's more like there is more data in the day 1 lynch than in day 2.

People changing back and forth from lynches tells more about them than everyone collectively voting the low posters.

Sure, the people voting for the low posters are really suspicious, but there is a whole lot less meat for us to look at.

Why are the people voting for the low poster "really suspicious"? You played GOC - remember the low posting there from INH, Lorab, Dr. Wilgy, Marmot, and Boomslang? All were mafia. I learned there that there really is some truth to the low poster=sometimes a mafia tell.

I am not sure who I want to vote for today but I'm not feeling a DDL vote. I don't feel a Mac vote either. I'm going to take a look at sprityo, nova, Marmot and maybe INH.

You want a burger, or are you content with that salad?

[juliets]

The Day 2 lynch was calm, controlled, and featured very little vote motion.

A civilian was still lynched.

I don’t understand why the events of Day 1 are being viewed as more suspicious. That’s backwards.

It's more like there is more data in the day 1 lynch than in day 2.

People changing back and forth from lynches tells more about them than everyone collectively voting the low posters.

Sure, the people voting for the low posters are really suspicious, but there is a whole lot less meat for us to look at.

Why are the people voting for the low poster "really suspicious"? You played GOC - remember the low posting there from INH, Lorab, Dr. Wilgy, Marmot, and Boomslang? All were mafia. I learned there that there really is some truth to the low poster=sometimes a mafia tell.

I am not sure who I want to vote for today but I'm not feeling a DDL vote. I don't feel a Mac vote either. I'm going to take a look at sprityo, nova, Marmot and maybe INH.

You want a burger, or are you content with that salad?

I'm sorry LC, I don't understand.

[Long Con]

Player salad

[juliets]

Player salad

I've heard the term but I've never understood what it means. So what does it mean?

[juliets]

Also, I have to get ready to go to therapy now, be back later this afternoon.

[Long Con]

Player salad

I've heard the term but I've never understood what it means. So what does it mean?

It means you dump a bunch of names in the thread, in order to look like you are looking at a lot of people with good Civ detective work. Baddie busy-work.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I want to push one of those people who kept flip-flopping wagons on Day 1. Jay, Juliets, Mac and Jack. I already gave my reasons why I think Jay is a civ (which should be taken with ten grains of salt) but the others are a big question mark in my imaginary rainbow.

Do you usually decide who to vote for based on emotionless arbitrary calculations with no actual evidence to suggest that the hypothesis is alignment indicative or are you just doing it here because you have no suspects?

I like it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd like to push a wagon against everyone who has posted colourful voter analysis lists. I am sure that there is a correlation between it and being bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

While I investigate the Day 2 votes, I want someone to tell me why vote movement is suspicious.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Day 2

Spoiler: show

Jay - Avito
Sprityo - Penny
Avito - nova
Scotty - ???
juliets - Avito
Epi - nova
Scotty - LC
DDL - nova
wolbre - Avito
Jay - nova
LC - nova
Jay - Avito
nova - Avito
Mac - nova
Marmot - Marmot
Epi - Marmot
Jack - Avito
Kyle - Avito
Avito - nova

Scotty - Avito (unknown time)

Jay
Sprityo
Avito
Scotty
juliets
Epi
Scotty
DDL
wolbre
Jay
LC
Jay
nova
Mac
Marmot
Epi
Jack
Kyle
Avito

Scotty (unknown time)

Note: Scotty's votes are weird because he was silenced. I don't know who his first vote was for (only saw people commenting on it) and I don't know when he changed it to Avito.

Well there are two clear wagons here. nova and Avito. All of the day's focus is on them. Avito was a civ. nova may or may not have been bad. If nova is bad, this is pure gold, otherwise, meh. This was a low activity day, after all.

DDL, is this somehow telling me what order the votes were in? Like who voted Avito 1st, 2cnd, 3rd, etc?

Yes.

Excluding Scotty's votes because I can't see when they were made.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Posting this for my own reference instead of using an extra tab for the polls thread:

Avito:
Scotty
Kylemii
wolbre04
juliets
Jackofhearts2005
novaselinenever

Marmot:
Epignosis
Marmot

novaselinenever:
Dragon D. Luffy
MacDougall
Avito
Long Con

Pennywise:
sprityo

[Dragon D. Luffy]

While I investigate the Day 2 votes, I want someone to tell me why vote movement is suspicious.

Vote movement alone isn't suspicious, but specific vote changes can be, depending on the alignment of the people being voted for.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why did Scotty vote for Avito?

I will not be voting for Pennywise or Avito on D1. Add Dys to that list if I can’t remember where I played a game with them

Day 1 pass. Cool, fine, me too.

Day 2 mentions of Avito that I can find:

*tumbleweed rolls through thread*

Not great. Talk about it Scotty.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The mafia team has (presumably):

Killed Dyslexicon
Silenced Scotty
Killed sig
Silenced JJJ

When your team has a mafia silencer, at what point is it optimal to silence one of your own?

Knowing that silenced persons are almost never lynched here, what do you do?

Man, silenced players always get suspicion here. I agree it can be used defensively but it’s a one day trick only.

So....”when you expect them to be lynched.”

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis wondered aloud about the ramifications of me being silenced.

I wasn't silenced.

What does this mean to people judging Epignosis?

[Jackofhearts2005]

A tough guy I see. Big tough Epi and his big muscles.

I've got one big muscle. That's about it.

Right forearm, I imagine.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This is the most obvious fake effort post I have ever seen. None of the points you have raised are logical. It's a huge colourful monstrosity that is designed to make you seem like you are contributing. Your last point is just total speculation for instance.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

It is total speculation. I didn't do this because I wanted to make a point. I did it to produce data, then analyse whether I could gather anything from that data (not much, I admit). I thought it was a good use of my time since I'm not sure who I want to lynch anymore.

Besides, Sprityo asked for it, and a lot of people said they wanted it implemented in the forum, so I'm not the only one who could use it? And it can be revisited once we get a scum flip and become much more useful.

So it’s Sprityo’s fault is it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I believe at least one of Jack or Mac are definitely bad, after the shitshow they willingly turned the Day 1 lynch into. [VOTE: Macdougal] aubergine

Can you be more specific? I showed up on like page 14 and don’t know what you’re talking about.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con suggested juliets was engaging in player salad, and as I was just looking at Scotty's posts there I saw some juliets stuff. Review:

There are four people I will not vote for today unless I have to save myself or they scum slip: LC because he's died early in two games in a row, sig because he gets mis-lynched so often, Mac because my initial read of him is civ and Epi for the same reason.

Psuedo-salad. At least this instance can be called reads (all civilian reads). The little underlined caveat isn't my favorite thing.

I need to hear more from Avito, Dom, INH, lap, Pennywise and wolbre04. I'm a fan of the theory that mafia lays low - I saw it in spades in GOC - so I could give my vote to someone who has not participated much.

Low-poster salad.

Lol, it's not often I am called scary!

I'm not digging Avito and Pennywise right now. They both seem like they are laying low and don't have much content unless I missed something important. I need to go back an re-look at DDL's post about them.

I know Dom has also been scarce but he was in GOC too which we just finished and he was civ there so I'm not as worried about him.

Low-poster salad. I appreciate the Dom distinction I suppose.

Why are the people voting for the low poster "really suspicious"? You played GOC - remember the low posting there from INH, Lorab, Dr. Wilgy, Marmot, and Boomslang? All were mafia. I learned there that there really is some truth to the low poster=sometimes a mafia tell.

I am not sure who I want to vote for today but I'm not feeling a DDL vote. I don't feel a Mac vote either. I'm going to take a look at sprityo, nova, Marmot and maybe INH.

I'm going to look at X, Y, Z, and maybe W is the textbook definition of la ensalada.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Mac is good in large part because of the Day 1 "shitshow".

Y'all love to freak the hell out about what you perceive to be hot potatoes, but that shit is called teamwork.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot has changed to Epi now so I think he is signaling us that he is silenced. Why would someone silence Marmot though? He hasn't been talking a lot.

I think we all know.

[mention]Marmot[/mention]