Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

#6201

[mention]dunya[/mention]

For all your complaining about my 3P thoughts and best case scenarios, you came to the same conclusion as me.

Here’s my exact words. “Tomorrow could be our last chance, mathematically speaking.”

#6202

#6203

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 9:37 pm How bout a rainbow instead?

Jack/Marmot
Daisy
MP
Sloonei
(Big sigh)
TH
Kyle
Dunya
Wolbre
Nova

I had Kyle down as Quin’s role so that flip hurts him. I want to put TH down lower and Dunya and Kyle higher but I can’t.

I think my POE is Nova and Wolbre for tomorrow.

Someone tell me why this is or isn’t a good plan.

#6204

For those of you just joining us, Jack and dunya are still the bad guys

#6205

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 8:38 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:32 am i mean, i feel like it's a night action, but i wanna be sure. cos the way all night kills have panned out, looks like they were all scum kills based on how Jay words next day polls. (yes, I checked them all) except for day 5 poll "Hold the pass". what does that mean? but considering Golden died on night 4, I feel like it had to have been Persia / speedchuck-led.

also now that i'm looking at everything, the kills
night 1: Epignosis
night 2: MacDougall
night 3: Dom
night 4: Golden
--after speed dies--
night 5: Choutas
night 6: cbob

-_-
Both Choutas and Bob trusted me. If I’m bad, why not kill TH, who is universally trusted but only goes after me? Or Daisy or MP, who were more trusted than Bob and Choutas and might return to the thread with a scum read on me?

Trust CBob, who said I would never bus Speed like that if we were partners.

Or go read Pirates again and see exactly how I treat Speedchuck when we’re mafia together.

you see everything you said there? all that could be applied to me except Mac and Golden completely town read me, and cbob too. why would I kill them? why wouldn't I have killed YOU or TH or Daisy? why would I have killed off people who had me complete town reads, like Mac and Golden?

also I know speed is a busser, I don't care if you're not usually a busser. He is. This was an ideal bussing scenario. He could have told you to buss him. Don't tell me it's so far out of reach to believe please. who the fuck cares if you didn't buss him in Pirates. You didn't have to. You're acting like we're calling the sky a shade of hot pink and that's what I find so insincere about you.

#6206

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:12 am For those of you just joining us, Jack and dunya are still the bad guys

again, I'm not a fucking busser. get that out of your heads. I wish I never played FE. I DON'T BUSS WHEN I'M SCUM EVERY GAME I PLAY. it's a weak fucking meta. as a team, all of us, decided to go at each other in FE and it worked. for one game. it was fun. it happened. game over. I'd bussed a team mate exactly once ever before in my entire time playing mafia. So no, I me and Jack are not w/w. ok?

and I don't know why Colin soft defended me from Luna, but defending me then voting for her...it doesn't take a scientist to figure out he was trying to get her lynched (surprise surprise, she was lynched) because persians felt threatened the oracle was giving her town cred. I keep seeing that "your interactions with colin are a bad look" thing when I read people's ISOs about me. so? how is that my fault? why would Colin in his last hour remaining on earth here DECIDE TO VOLUNTARILY implicate me in any way? Think about that for a few minutes please. I remember when LC was scum in Seinfeld and was headed on his way out, he left a legacy where he literally mentioned everyone EXCEPT his scum team. how whack crazy is that? WIFOM - stop judging me based on a dying man's words.

I'm being mediocre? bullshit. I'm giving this game as much as I can.. When I post like crazy people talk shit to me. When I actually let other people play and contribute to the thread without being in everyone's faces, I'm scummy because I'm not posting too much and giving people reasons to complain about me. Newsflash: it's NAI. go see my performance in FE and tell me scum dunia doesn't post as much as town dunia. k. enough with the bad logic.

#6207

that post wasn't all directed to you TH. sorry if it looks like that. the first part is for you tho.

#6208

I have over 500 posts, mediocre my ass tbh.

#6209

It's okay dunya I take nothing personally

I just think I'm the veggies in a persian sandwich atm

#6210

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 11:01 pm #stumpin4marmot

I want you on my side against these clowns, MARSH.

so TH, it's nice to sit on your high horse huh?

let's look at your voting patterns:

Day 1: votes nova, second bandwagon on day 1 with 4 votes. nova isn't lynched. sig is mislynched with 5 votes.
Day 2: votes ColinIsCool. ColinIsCool is lynched and flips scum with 14 votes on him.
Day 3: votes Choutas, a lone vote on Day 3. Avoids the Long Con and Lunalee bandwagons, with 10 and 6 votes on them respectively. LC was lynched, he was town.
Day 4: votes M Plus 7, another fucking lone vote on Day 4. Avoids the Lunalee or Spacedaisy bandwagons, with 8 and 6 votes on them respectively. Luna lynched, she was town.
Day 5: votes speedcuck. speedchuck is lynched and flips scum with 9 votes on him.
Day 6: no fucking clue, but Scotty was lynched and we know where TH stood with Scotty.
Day 7: votes JoH, a lone vote on fucking Day 7. Avoids the Quin and Marmot bandwagons. Quin lynched with 4 votes, revealed 3p aligned persian.

Someone else look at that and tell me that's normal please.

#6211

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:44 am It's okay dunya I take nothing personally I just think I'm the veggies in a persian sandwich atm

or maybe you've been the persian veggie all along

aash shalgham is a famous Persian turnip soup

#6212

ISOing wolbre now. I think I've given him too much "new guy" credence.

#6213

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:12 am For those of you just joining us, Jack and dunya are still the bad guys

Next time I’m bad with Dunya, I’ll be sure to fight with her over everything and then point back to this game as evidence we aren’t a team. Thanks.

#6214

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:22 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 8:38 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:32 am i mean, i feel like it's a night action, but i wanna be sure. cos the way all night kills have panned out, looks like they were all scum kills based on how Jay words next day polls. (yes, I checked them all) except for day 5 poll "Hold the pass". what does that mean? but considering Golden died on night 4, I feel like it had to have been Persia / speedchuck-led.

also now that i'm looking at everything, the kills
night 1: Epignosis
night 2: MacDougall
night 3: Dom
night 4: Golden
--after speed dies--
night 5: Choutas
night 6: cbob

-_-
Both Choutas and Bob trusted me. If I’m bad, why not kill TH, who is universally trusted but only goes after me? Or Daisy or MP, who were more trusted than Bob and Choutas and might return to the thread with a scum read on me?

Trust CBob, who said I would never bus Speed like that if we were partners.

Or go read Pirates again and see exactly how I treat Speedchuck when we’re mafia together.

you see everything you said there? all that could be applied to me except Mac and Golden completely town read me, and cbob too. why would I kill them? why wouldn't I have killed YOU or TH or Daisy? why would I have killed off people who had me complete town reads, like Mac and Golden?

also I know speed is a busser, I don't care if you're not usually a busser. He is. This was an ideal bussing scenario. He could have told you to buss him. Don't tell me it's so far out of reach to believe please. who the fuck cares if you didn't buss him in Pirates. You didn't have to. You're acting like we're calling the sky a shade of hot pink and that's what I find so insincere about you.

That first half is fair enough.

#6215

It’s pretty dangerous for me to tone read a player in our first game together but I’m still gonna do it. Flipping Dunya and TH. POE of Nova/Wolbre is unchanged. Figure out Wolbre for me, Dunya.

#6216

That’s in reference to me maintaining my town read on TH.

#6217

It’s pretty dangerous for me to tone read a player in our first game together but I’m still gonna do it. (in ref to TH)

*goes and flips TH and dunya's placements on his rainbow*

do I speak English? maybe I misunderstood something..

#6218

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:14 am It’s pretty dangerous for me to tone read a player in our first game together but I’m still gonna do it. (in ref to TH)

*goes and flips TH and dunya's placements on his rainbow*

do I speak English? maybe I misunderstood something..

There’s only two scum left. TH is 3 from the bottom.

#6219

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:56 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:12 am For those of you just joining us, Jack and dunya are still the bad guys
Next time I’m bad with Dunya, I’ll be sure to fight with her over everything and then point back to this game as evidence we aren’t a team. Thanks.

Hmmm... methinks you'll probably just point out how bad a job you did here

#6220

mwahauahauaha

#6221

Did Spacedaisy seriously give me a drive-by vote without posting?

#6222

Here's updated Technicolor Votes after Day 7.

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#6223

wolbre iso part 1 (i'm doing this in 2 parts cos I'm going for a run now

so i'll bbl for part 2)

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:49 am I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place

so if wolbre was 3p, he would be on the fence about answering. but if someone calls me 3p in this game and I'm not, I can easily say "no bruh, I'm not 3p" without breaking any rules.

so is wolbre 3p... ?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire

interesting opinion of "town leaders" - let's see how/if/when his opinion develops itt as town leaders change as I dig through his iso.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Also, I feel like if anyone wants to ask me a question they can because I want to clear myself as town right off the bat

overkill use of the mafia emoji when trying to give himself town confidence imo but probably nai

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:12 pm To be honest I seriously wasn't sure if I could say "He'll yeah, I'm always indie of course" because it's essentially a softclaim, and a fake one at that. I'm not a wolf I swear

seems to use wolf / indie interchangeably in his line of thoughts here and that's not good to me.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:39 am Jack and Mac are standing out as town, they're making moves in the right direction. Glad jack appeared or I would've been willing to lynch him potentially later

so that didn't take long, mac and jack as town leaders now and wolbre seems to embrace it rather than feel wary about it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

fake ignorance? can't say I haven't seen it before but I really don't know what kind of player wolbre is to decide if this could be used against him or not. for someone who claims the format is so easy to use because he's used to this template, he likes to play the newbie card a little too...obviously?

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interesting piece of history. the guy has literally never drawn a scum card yet, so asking wolbre or anyone else how wolbre plays as scum is moot.

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this stuff was just whack. when called about info he has on sloonei and why he was giving him so much town cred, he retracts and says he has nothing--actually he said he doesn't have a definite TOWN read on sloonei and he could still be 3p just definitely not scum. weird shit. I have no idea what he was trying to do here, but it's the only point in his favor since he went after colin day 2 when he could have gone after sloonei. I have to look at times when he went after colin and what the thread environment was like and if his lynch was inevitably on the tables at that point. I'll pick up from there and do that after my run.

#6224

something hit me now. scenario: 3p btsc - somehow they all made connections to each other itt too or 3p wolbre recognized something sloonei said in 3p chat and itt and made the connection who's who. whether or not sloonei/him chose to be town aligned wasn't definite yet, but he was sure sloonei wasn't scum because of that.

i honestly cannot make any other explanation for the sudden strong defense of sloonei day 2. someone run another scenario by me.

#6225

I was the second vote on Quin, Marmot. I keep forgetting my vote tags, sorry

Kyle was first, I was second. Mp7 3rd and wolbre 4th.

#6226

ok time for my run for real, laters gators.

#6227

Here's my other colored-vote-tallies updated after Quin's death.

All town players are colored in blue.
All mafia players are colored in red.
All indies players are colored in purple.

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#6228

Later dunya.

Btw, did you have any inclination that Quin was 3p before he was lynched?

#6229

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:41 am wolbre iso part 1 (i'm doing this in 2 parts cos I'm going for a run now so i'll bbl for part 2)

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:49 am I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place
so if wolbre was 3p, he would be on the fence about answering. but if someone calls me 3p in this game and I'm not, I can easily say "no bruh, I'm not 3p" without breaking any rules.

so is wolbre 3p... ?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
interesting opinion of "town leaders" - let's see how/if/when his opinion develops itt as town leaders change as I dig through his iso.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Also, I feel like if anyone wants to ask me a question they can because I want to clear myself as town right off the bat
overkill use of the mafia emoji when trying to give himself town confidence imo but probably nai

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:12 pm To be honest I seriously wasn't sure if I could say "He'll yeah, I'm always indie of course" because it's essentially a softclaim, and a fake one at that. I'm not a wolf I swear

seems to use wolf / indie interchangeably in his line of thoughts here and that's not good to me.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:39 am Jack and Mac are standing out as town, they're making moves in the right direction. Glad jack appeared or I would've been willing to lynch him potentially later
so that didn't take long, mac and jack as town leaders now and wolbre seems to embrace it rather than feel wary about it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?
fake ignorance? can't say I haven't seen it before but I really don't know what kind of player wolbre is to decide if this could be used against him or not. for someone who claims the format is so easy to use because he's used to this template, he likes to play the newbie card a little too...obviously?

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wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:09 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:58 pm while we're all comfy, @Choutas @wolbre04 who are you? tell me about ur lives. who do you know
Well sig invited me here (rip him)

I've played a total of 8 mafia games in my life including this one. I've been town 7 of them(this plus 6 others) and SK the other 1
I am 5-2 with my games so far. I won as serial killer in my second game ever. Otherwise I mostly keep to myself because I've gotten Chinese fire drill lynched for expressing my opinions on other sites before after similar ones have been said (because they think I'm too sheepy) or because I scumread a town player. So generally I don't say my piece unless there's something I deem worthwhile in there.
Otherwise I only know Sig and his meta on my home site (GTF)

interesting piece of history. the guy has literally never drawn a scum card yet, so asking wolbre or anyone else how wolbre plays as scum is moot.

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wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:50 pm after reading up on sloonei I'm feeling progressively less inclined to believe that he's mafia, actually.
+3 points in my book. He's more of a neutral / town lean, and I don't want to mislynch again.
I'll elaborate more on this later.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:50 pm He went from being the lowest on the rainbow to near middle*

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:49 am
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:50 pm Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry
Okay junior. Don't come in here and try to shit all over my work without explaining why all of a sudden you have such a great town read on him that you want to completely take him off the table. Explain why.
I never said he's town but I'm fairly certain he's not mafia. Refer to my post where I said I will address this later on. That doesn't mean we should ignore him, but I'm less worried about him for now. He ISNT off the table yet for me.

I'm much more sure of Colin being scum as I've mentioned him with more certainty than his buddies.
[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine
this stuff was just whack. when called about info he has on sloonei and why he was giving him so much town cred, he retracts and says he has nothing--actually he said he doesn't have a definite TOWN read on sloonei and he could still be 3p just definitely not scum. weird shit. I have no idea what he was trying to do here, but it's the only point in his favor since he went after colin day 2 when he could have gone after sloonei. I have to look at times when he went after colin and what the thread environment was like and if his lynch was inevitably on the tables at that point. I'll pick up from there and do that after my run.

Okay regarding the question about ability usage I think people misunderstood what I meant. Because juliets AND jjj were both helping run the game, I thought maybe it would only be acceptable to be. I'm not used to playing games with more than 1 person doing ANY administrative stuff to help.

Yeah I haven't gotten scum before so I couldn't even tell you what that meta is like, only what my SK meta was.

I am not 3p

#6230

I’m running out the door to work for the entire day in a minute, so I won’t be here through the night. In case I die, wolbre and kyle are still the players I’d be most inclined to vote for, but we’re getting into dangerous territory and every stone needs to be turned over. Don’t let things slip by.

A couple questions before I go:
Does anyone have any reason to suspect MP?
And can somebody, maybe [mention]dunya[/mention] or [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] lay out a case against jack that is comprehensive and easy to follow? I still have him firmly as town, and I atill have not seen a convincing argument to the contrary.

#6231

I have a confession to make, [mention]Marmot[/mention]

I can’t read your color coded voting logs.

#6232

I think seeing vote order over grouping by candidates might help but I can translate that myself.

#6233

Maybe Ass Class will end soon and let us have one Wolbre and one Nova game to judge them on.

#6234

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:44 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 11:01 pm #stumpin4marmot

I want you on my side against these clowns, MARSH.
so TH, it's nice to sit on your high horse huh?

let's look at your voting patterns:

Day 1: votes nova, second bandwagon on day 1 with 4 votes. nova isn't lynched. sig is mislynched with 5 votes.
Day 2: votes ColinIsCool. ColinIsCool is lynched and flips scum with 14 votes on him.
Day 3: votes Choutas, a lone vote on Day 3. Avoids the Long Con and Lunalee bandwagons, with 10 and 6 votes on them respectively. LC was lynched, he was town.
Day 4: votes M Plus 7, another fucking lone vote on Day 4. Avoids the Lunalee or Spacedaisy bandwagons, with 8 and 6 votes on them respectively. Luna lynched, she was town.
Day 5: votes speedcuck. speedchuck is lynched and flips scum with 9 votes on him.
Day 6: no fucking clue, but Scotty was lynched and we know where TH stood with Scotty.
Day 7: votes JoH, a lone vote on fucking Day 7. Avoids the Quin and Marmot bandwagons. Quin lynched with 4 votes, revealed 3p aligned persian.

Someone else look at that and tell me that's normal please.

It's weird that you reduce me to my votes here when beforehand you were tone-and-content reading me. Anyways, I'm sure you know why this post looks fishy to me. We coulda been such good little greeks together

#6235

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:41 ambeing famous for fanfic doesn't make a person town imo)

hm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:01 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:32 pm Chapter 5: The SEX Chapter (Rated R For Lewd Behavior)

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"ever head of 'Fuck'?" Becca asked "also isn't space neat? look at this fucking.... look at this fucke d up laser sword i have, isn't it cool how just uh.... how cool this um... hey! pokemon is here too. and anime. anime is real and is part of this fanfiction. i just met goku and he's really nice."

"interesting,here are my thoughts on all remaining players. students"

"dunya : i.... hm.... dunya has been very off and on, with her posting presence, which isn't saying much because she still has more posts than most of us. when she is around i've liked her contributions, they felt like 'dunyaposts' that didn't need any sort of.... effort to create. not to say the posts weren't work, but that didn't seem to be faking it.

Jackofhearts2005: he was influential in speedchuck's demise. given who speedchuck is as a person and the way jack went about suspecting speed, i feel like there's still some possibility of him being speed's partner who had been given permission to bus him ahead of time, as a long term Mortal Kombat style speedchuck style gambit.

Kites / Quin : hmmm, he had some real activity early but just a little. there's not much here really. i read his entire iso and i don't know what he thinks about basically anything. he says he aimed to play a more spur of the moment game and i respect that but he's spurred very few moments. if nova is bad quin probably isn't bad... it also seems like speedchuck maybe went after quin a little? this might be good to look into but not right now. after this.*

Kylemii : definitely good, and! Fun Fact: almost always smells like citrus

M Plus 7 : his most standout action was his driving a semi truck into the thread to save spacedaisy, otherwise i get a genreally earmest vibe from him.... he's not the most town looking but he's also not particularly bad looking either. he's in that awkward spot, i don't think he's a good lynch.

Marmot : i had literally 0 recollection of anything related to marmot existing in this game prior to this fanfic, yet he has 9 pages worth of posts. his interractions with colin were uninspiring. neither are his interactions with speed. there's some iso stuff that looks pretty good active, trying... i'd be interested in hearing peoples thoughts on marmot. i feel like he's been swimming under the radar and i would like him to be discussed more now that we're possibly nearing the twilight hours of this game

novaselinenever : has been farily innactive most of the game, there's some icky stuff early on especially related to colin, would be a good place to review i think.

Sloonei : i forgot that sloonei was up against colin for lynch.. sloonei kind of falls in with dunya in the same position of 'this is a player who usually drives the town train' who's been faltering, but still sorta kicking the shit out of posting a lot. when he's here he's putting a lot of effort into the kind of isos and things i expect from town sloonei.

Spacedaisy: hm.... i guess similarly to jack, jack called out speedchuck and i sorta grabbed the ball and handed it to spacedaisy, she slamducked the ball into the field zone. idk i don't see it. i don't think spacedaisy is the kind of player who'd be comfortable bussing a teammate so hard, as maybe her most tangible action in the game. i think also the mafia has had a clear strategy of culling the top contributors first, i don't think SD would want to be party to that

Turnip Head: he's a wildboy but he's posted a lot and i just... trust him i guess. he feels trusty. this is his first game back in forever and playing such a blatantly relaxed game would be crazy and.... tbh really cool and i'd be really even more impressed than i already am but, im just not feeling it.

wolbre04: this is only wolbre's 8th mafia game and all of his previous games were town games, except one where he was a serial killer, he's never been mafia before so it's possible his strange treatment of speedchuck's lynch is a result of... idk newness, but the fact that he vocalized it doesn't make sense. i feel like wolbre's most likely indie."

"great!!!" said Becca " I lovee.... NARUTO!!!! Go, Bulbarsaur! DIgimon!!!! here are some swear words i know, piss, bastard, a butt etc." she gazed out of the space station window into the ether. "i'm so glad i came to this vampire orgy college, in space, to find love."

I didn't see this before. hmmm.

just cus im seeing a pattern of people ignoring my fanfic posts..m the fanfics were all isos like this one. Though chapters 1-4 were more focused and lengthy. my twilight fanfics have probably been some of my most on topic posts and... it turned out to be a pretty a fun way of doing things so I'll probably do it again in the future.

#6236

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:41 amKylemii - scum (poe: self admitted meta change,

I also announced an intention to switch up my meta way back in the sign up thread before roles even happened.

#6237

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] mii as you know I am one of your most vocal fangirls even though I sometimes leave nasty reviews you know i luv u boo. Anyways i was hoping you could help me fill in [mention]Sloonei[/mention] nei on the Jack case as I'm pretty sure we've struck gold here. If you write it in the form of fanfiction I'm sure sloon wouldnt mind

#6238

Sloon asked me for the case up top ^ which is why i bring it up. He seems genuinely curious tho and i want to give gim a good rundown

#6239

I wonder id a [mention]Marmot[/mention] still wants to be held by his Turnip Head

#6240

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:51 am I have a confession to make, @Marmot

I can’t read your color coded voting logs.

Like you don't understand what the colors mean, or you're incapable of seeing the colors, or something else?

If anything you can just use it to look at the chronology of each lynch, since our polls don't list the voters in chronological order.

#6241

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 9:44 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 11:01 pm #stumpin4marmot

I want you on my side against these clowns, MARSH.
so TH, it's nice to sit on your high horse huh?

let's look at your voting patterns:

Day 1: votes nova, second bandwagon on day 1 with 4 votes. nova isn't lynched. sig is mislynched with 5 votes.
Day 2: votes ColinIsCool. ColinIsCool is lynched and flips scum with 14 votes on him.
Day 3: votes Choutas, a lone vote on Day 3. Avoids the Long Con and Lunalee bandwagons, with 10 and 6 votes on them respectively. LC was lynched, he was town.
Day 4: votes M Plus 7, another fucking lone vote on Day 4. Avoids the Lunalee or Spacedaisy bandwagons, with 8 and 6 votes on them respectively. Luna lynched, she was town.
Day 5: votes speedcuck. speedchuck is lynched and flips scum with 9 votes on him.
Day 6: no fucking clue, but Scotty was lynched and we know where TH stood with Scotty.
Day 7: votes JoH, a lone vote on fucking Day 7. Avoids the Quin and Marmot bandwagons. Quin lynched with 4 votes, revealed 3p aligned persian.

Someone else look at that and tell me that's normal please.

This is quite normal I'm afraid, dunya.

#6242

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 12:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:51 am I have a confession to make, @Marmot

I can’t read your color coded voting logs.
Like you don't understand what the colors mean, or you're incapable of seeing the colors, or something else?

If anything you can just use it to look at the chronology of each lynch, since our polls don't list the voters in chronological order.

I just mean I don’t know how to make it useful in its current form. Scum doesn’t jump out at me.

#6243

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 12:31 pm Kylemii mii as you know I am one of your most vocal fangirls even though I sometimes leave nasty reviews you know i luv u boo. Anyways i was hoping you could help me fill in Sloonei nei on the Jack case as I'm pretty sure we've struck gold here. If you write it in the form of fanfiction I'm sure sloon wouldnt mind

I think Sloonei gets the case he just doesn't believe in it.

the main idea is that Speedchuck is definitely the type of person who would use his role type to give his team an opportunity to deliver a coup de grace. He did something similar in Mortal Kombat where he pulled off a normally inadvisable strategy where even in death his actions led to mafia victory. I can imagine speedchuck on day 0 saying "hey, let's bus me eventually to give that vote blackout later on and lead to our victory while the civs lynch the wrong people" meanwhile, jack went from casually nudging speed once or twice a day to being really confident that speed was bad. in aggregate it seems unnatural.

however, I've been cooling down on the theory a little bit. for one thing it relied a lot on the concern that we were approaching lylo and it actually seems like we weren't. If purposefully dumping speedchuck was the plan then surely they'd have done it a little later when it would have more impact?

on the other other hand, maybe jack and speedchuck were right and the Indies did all side with mafia and that's why Sloonei and wolbre have been a little more absent and careless than usual and also why jack seems so fixated on figuring out who 3p are and also why jack made that post about "we're in danger of lylo because even though the 3p could risk voting wrong they could also just not vote and help the mafia win numbers-wise that way" which was gross

#6244

so idk i guess i have a lot of thoughts on the matter

#6245

My other thought is like if [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] or [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] are bad we might be screwedd

#6246

Anyways I'd like to lynch Jack still for the record

#6247

If jack is mafia and Sloonei is a mafia sided indie then that would explain why Sloonei dismissed the idea of jack having bussed speedchuck so easily and without reaistance

#6248

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:32 am I’m running out the door to work for the entire day in a minute, so I won’t be here through the night. In case I die, wolbre and kyle are still the players I’d be most inclined to vote for, but we’re getting into dangerous territory and every stone needs to be turned over. Don’t let things slip by.

A couple questions before I go:
Does anyone have any reason to suspect MP?
And can somebody, maybe @dunya or @Turnip Head lay out a case against jack that is comprehensive and easy to follow? I still have him firmly as town, and I atill have not seen a convincing argument to the contrary.

I find it useful to look at the lynches a little bit differently. A vote is a powerful tool.

Take Day 1 for instance,

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:49 am sig
5
Dom (13), M Plus 7 (15), novaselinenever (16), Marmot (17), Golden (20)

Epignosis
4
Scotty (1), Jackofhearts2005 (6), speedchuck (7), wolbre04 (9)

novaselinever
4
Turnip Head (3), MacDougall (10), sig (11), Sloonei (18)

Golden
2
Choutas (2), Lunalee (12)

dunya
2
Long Con (5), Epignosis (8)

Lunalee
2
ColinIsCool (19), Kylemii (21)

Turnip Head
1
dunya (4)

Marmot
1
Spacedaisy (14)

No Vote
2
Kites/Quin, lapluie/colonialbob

Here we have 6 players with 2 or more votes, so potential lynch candidates. 4 of them are now dead and confirmed civilian. 2 of them are still alive. Not only are they still alive, but one of them (dunya) took votes from two civilians, including the player who was killed Night 1, Epignosis. The other one, novaselinever, took four votes, was close to being lynched, and didn't take a vote from a known mafia member.

I find the colors and setup that I used here for this reason.

I also consider this a slight ding for both dunya and nova.

Moving on to Day 2.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:49 am ColinIsCool
14
Sloonei (1), wolbre04 (2), MacDougall (3), Dom (4), Quin (9), Turnip Head (10), speedchuck (11), M Plus 7 (13), Marmot (14), Jackofhearts2005 (16), Golden (17), dunya (18), Kylemii (19), novaselinenever (20)

Sloonei
3
Choutas (5), Scotty (8), ColinIsCool (12)

M Plus 7
3
colonialbob (6), Long Con (7), Lunalee (15)

No Vote
1
Spacedaisy

One thing is for certain, not a single mafia member voted off of the Colin wagon this day. Spacedaisy might be mafia, but she didn't vote, so :/ So yeah, less to gather about who is scum on this lynch.

But if we look at wolbre and Sloonei, I think that they are the other two Hellenic league members, and they were first on the Colin wagon. I'd have to do a little research to see when those two Hellenic members chose their alignment, but I think this is a good look for both of them. Everyone else on the Colin wagon is not very relevant, since it took off so heavily.

Another note though, I don't know who had more votes between MP7 and Sloonei at the time, but Colin did vote for Sloonei instead of MP7 as an alternative wagon. That might be meaningless, but it's not a positive look for MP7.

On to Day 3.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:49 am Long Con
10
Golden (1), Dom (5), Scotty (8), Spacedaisy (9), speedchuck (10), Lunalee (12), Sloonei (13), Marmot (15), wolbre (16), M Plus 7 (18)

Lunalee
6
novaselinever (2), Quin (6), colonialbob (7), Jackofhearts2005 (11), Long Con (14), dunya (17)

Choutas
1
Turnip Head (3)

Kylemii
1
Choutas (4)

No Vote
1
Kylemii

As I said before, this lynch doesn't have much to offer. Both of the wagons were civilian, so it is a lynch that would give the mafia members the easiest chance to hide behind a good reason to vote someone.

On to Day 4.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:49 am Lunalee
8
Jackofhearts2005 (4), M Plus 7 (10), Sloonei (11), colonialbob (13), Golden (14), Kylemii (15), Scotty (16), Spacedaisy (17)

Spacedaisy
6
Marmot (1), novaselinenever (2), Lunalee (5), speedchuck (6), dunya (8), Quin (9)

wolbre04
1
wolbre04 (3)

Sloonei
1
Choutas (7)

M Plus 7
1
Turnip Head (12)

This is crazy lynch. Spacedaisy was a strong lynch candidate most of the day before Lunalee was hot potatoed at the end. She was civilian. Spacedaisy is still unknown.

But speedchuck did vote for Spacedaisy, in a close lynch too. There's a couple things I'm still hanging on to with Spacedaisy that makes me think she's civilian. As much as I'm bothered by her vote yesterday, I don't think a mafia Spacedaisy votes without posting about it.

So it's possible that this day produced another civ/civ lynch race.

On to Day 5.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:49 am speedchuck
9
Jackofhearts2005 (1), wolbre04 (3), Kylemii (4), Choutas (5), colonialbob (7), Spacedaisy (8), Turnip Head (9), Sloonei (12), M Plus 7 (14)

novaselinenever
4
Marmot (6), Quin (10), Scotty (11), speedchuck (13)

Spacedaisy
1
novaselinever (2)

No Vote
1
dunya

Here's another fun lynch. Jack went ham on speedchuck, and we lynched a baddie!

Now, we see that both Quin and speedchuck voted for nova in this lynch. Quin may have known who speedchuck was at this point, who knows. but speedchuck voting for nova was the obvious option, so these two baddie votes on nova aren't that significant. Nova voting for Spacedaisy might not be significant either, except that if nova is bad, I am thinking that Spacedaisy is definitely civilian (and I also think that my previous theory that they are teammates is wrong).

The wolbre and Kyle votes are interesting. We've already discussed how the speedchuck lynch would be a good bus option for the mafia because of his role. Did Kyle bus a teammate here? Did wolbre do a similar thing? It is possible that a Hellenic could figure out who Sloonei is, but as we saw Quin's vote here, and as direct communication between speedchuck and any Hellenic member was not possible, I don't think wolbre jumps on this wagon if he's a mafia-aligned player.

Just as an aside though, this is the second time I've looked at a lynch, and dunya and nova stand out to me. Dunya didn't even vote in this one. Wut? And nova was the counterwagon, while voting off-wagon on his sole-suspicion.

Now Day 7.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:49 am Marmot
4
Sloonei (3), Jackofhearts2005 (4), Quin (5), Spacedaisy (6)

Quin
4
Kylemii (7), M Plus 7 (8), wolbre04 (9), dunya (10)

dunya
1
Marmot (1)

Jackofhearts2005
1
Turnip Head (2)

No Vote
1
novaselinever

I dislike Spacedaisy's vote, but I don't think it's necessarily bad. I'm willing to be convinved either way.

TH could have made a better vote here, but TH is TH, so

Hard to really determine who is bad from this lynch. Both of the lead wagons are flipped, and one turned town while the other was a 3P.

#6249

So when I look at solely players votes, here's what I've determined.

Jackofhearts2005, Sloonei, and wolbre are strong town-aligned players.

Turnip Head and M Plus 7 have received next to no pressure and have flown completely under the radar.

Kyle received a mild amount of pressure yesterday before last minute shenanigans. Otherwise, he's lumped in with the above two.

novaselinever has the worst vote record, and has received pressure all game, despite not being lynched.

Dunya's votes are ok, but she was unfortunately not around (and didn't vote) on Day 5 when speed was lynched, and I have a mild suspicion of her now after Epignosis was killed the night after he voted for her.

Spacedaisy is likely civilian, but I would not oppose her lynch if there wasn't a better option.

#6250

The other thing about nova's votes isn't just that they don't look good to me. They're not inspiring either.

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