Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Turnip Head]

morning errbody

howww we doin

TH, you drinking in the morning?

[Sloonei]

if jack is mafia then he's already won and nothing can reasonably be done about it so im ignoring that possibility

[Sloonei]

morning errbody

howww we doin

TH, you drinking in the morning?

You got any words to say about kyle whittling down his POE to you and a couple others?

[Sloonei]

spacedaisy was largely the cause of speedchuck death and speedchuck voted for her when she was almost lynched, 2 votes down from

sloonei and wolbre are probably indies, I think? maybe I'm wrong. if anyone has a reason to think they're not, say something because if their placement is different then it changes a few things.

Marmot is helot.

I still don't believe that Nova's interactions with Colin gaurantee his innocence as much as you guys seem to think they do.

that should leave dunya and Turnip Head but that doesn't feel right as a mafia pairing especially considering turnip head is trying to lynch dunya. so something from earlier has to be wrong.

Am I still indie because wolbre allegedly slipped like ten years ago? Because that’s a thing that you’re wrong about and I’m surprised that theory has survived this long. I have no particular reason to believe he is indie either, but I can’t exactly say I’ve been indie hunting.

If only one of dunya or th is bad, which is it?

[wolbre04]

spacedaisy was largely the cause of speedchuck death and speedchuck voted for her when she was almost lynched, 2 votes down from

sloonei and wolbre are probably indies, I think? maybe I'm wrong. if anyone has a reason to think they're not, say something because if their placement is different then it changes a few things.

Marmot is helot.

I still don't believe that Nova's interactions with Colin gaurantee his innocence as much as you guys seem to think they do.

that should leave dunya and Turnip Head but that doesn't feel right as a mafia pairing especially considering turnip head is trying to lynch dunya. so something from earlier has to be wrong.

Am I still indie because wolbre allegedly slipped like ten years ago? Because that’s a thing that you’re wrong about and I’m surprised that theory has survived this long. I have no particular reason to believe he is indie either, but I can’t exactly say I’ve been indie hunting.

If only one of dunya or th is bad, which is it?

I didn't indie slip people misinterpreted it

[Sloonei]

I don’t love Post #6579 from Kylr but quoting it all on my phone is too much work. His second paragraph shrinks away from the accusation he had just spun against me and then seems to imply a NO U/OMGUS on my part or something.
I do not follow his third paragraph, theoretically or in terms of his reads. I’m not indie and I frankly find it bizarre that so many of you have resolved that I am. But oh well, I don’t think this is a crucial point right now. Except in the regard that wolbre seems to be removed from the POE because of it. I don’t love that, but he’s not my top suspect anyway.

I do like that he (kyle) shared the long sought-after reads eventually, and I’ve already responded to them.

[Sloonei]

spacedaisy was largely the cause of speedchuck death and speedchuck voted for her when she was almost lynched, 2 votes down from

sloonei and wolbre are probably indies, I think? maybe I'm wrong. if anyone has a reason to think they're not, say something because if their placement is different then it changes a few things.

Marmot is helot.

I still don't believe that Nova's interactions with Colin gaurantee his innocence as much as you guys seem to think they do.

that should leave dunya and Turnip Head but that doesn't feel right as a mafia pairing especially considering turnip head is trying to lynch dunya. so something from earlier has to be wrong.

Am I still indie because wolbre allegedly slipped like ten years ago? Because that’s a thing that you’re wrong about and I’m surprised that theory has survived this long. I have no particular reason to believe he is indie either, but I can’t exactly say I’ve been indie hunting.

If only one of dunya or th is bad, which is it?

I didn't indie slip people misinterpreted it

We have two Persians left, wolbre. Who are they?

[dunya]

sorry guys, I was landscaping outside and pulled a muscle in my lower back while carrying some huge rocks to the other side of my garden when I shouldn't have (old age ) i'm in a lot of fucking pain but i'm here again.

[dunya]

I don't believe wolbre indieslipped and then called out the other 2 indie players. first of all, they don't know each other. the chat they share is anonymous. and if he did work out who they BOTH were by some miracle, and called himself out as indie and then also named them both by name, yea...I don't think Jay would have allowed it. i'm not going to believe it.

[dunya]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

[Sloonei]

I don't believe wolbre indieslipped and then called out the other 2 indie players. first of all, they don't know each other. the chat they share is anonymous. and if he did work out who they BOTH were by some miracle, and called himself out as indie and then also named them both by name, yea...I don't think Jay would have allowed it. i'm not going to believe it.

It’s also just occurred to me that wolbre is the absolute last player who would identify any anonymous BTSC partners. He doesn’t know any of us.

[dunya]

I don't believe wolbre indieslipped and then called out the other 2 indie players. first of all, they don't know each other. the chat they share is anonymous. and if he did work out who they BOTH were by some miracle, and called himself out as indie and then also named them both by name, yea...I don't think Jay would have allowed it. i'm not going to believe it.

It’s also just occurred to me that wolbre is the absolute last player who would identify any anonymous BTSC partners. He doesn’t know any of us.

good logic. more proof there's no way he called out the indie team.

[dunya]

i feel like wolbre has made one "accidental" slip after the other to the point where they aren't really accidental at all and has just rode it out the more people latch onto the theories.

[Sloonei]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Doesn’t matter as long as Sloonei is town.

Kyle believing that Sloonei and Wolbre are Indy means he’s not.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i feel like wolbre has made one "accidental" slip after the other to the point where they aren't really accidental at all and has just rode it out the more people latch onto the theories.

My favorite Wolbre “slip” is when he said that we’d be suspicious of him if he didn’t vote Speed.

Or maybe it was the other way around.

[Sloonei]

i feel like wolbre has made one "accidental" slip after the other to the point where they aren't really accidental at all and has just rode it out the more people latch onto the theories.

My favorite Wolbre “slip” is when he said that we’d be suspicious of him if he didn’t vote Speed.

Or maybe it was the other way around.

First it was one, then it was the other if I recall correctly.

[Sloonei]

I’m gonna exceed my data limit and it’s all this game’s fault.

[Jackofhearts2005]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

He got emotional enough that he felt the need to take a time out and apologize to me later.

How much of an emotional reaction do you expect?

[dunya]

sorry, but there's two scum left and kyle and wolbre are my biggest POE suspects. I'm lynching one of them if it's the last thing I do. If for some reason they weren't viable options, cos one of them is scum and the other is 3p aligned with scum for example, I'd look at JOH for connections to speed or TH for basically doing shit all except tunnel JOH in the last phase when it's a critical time and there's 2 scum left.

[dunya]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

He got emotional enough that he felt the need to take a time out and apologize to me later.

in GoC?? as well?
hmmmmm

[dunya]

honestly the emotional outburst here made me feel a bit warmer towards Kyle, but if he's done this as scum recently in GoC then maybe I shouldn't be so naive to it. maybe he's genuinely frustrated he's getting lynched as scum.

[Sloonei]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

He got emotional enough that he felt the need to take a time out and apologize to me later.

How much of an emotional reaction do you expect?

Idk, an amount of emotion. I’m not sure I understand the question. That seems perfectly in line with kyle’s character as a delightful human being, but nothing that i’ve seen in the thread convinced me that he needs to be town in the way that, say, choutas’ response to being bandwagoned did. I sense a bit more fatigue and resignation in kyle. I may be in a tunnel on him now though.

[dunya]

I’m gonna exceed my data limit and it’s all this game’s fault.

browsing ancient greece mafia doesn't use up too much data, I promise. and if it does, it's worth it.

[Sloonei]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

He got emotional enough that he felt the need to take a time out and apologize to me later.

in GoC?? as well?
hmmmmm

I thought he was talking about this game, now I’m all confused.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i feel like wolbre has made one "accidental" slip after the other to the point where they aren't really accidental at all and has just rode it out the more people latch onto the theories.

My favorite Wolbre “slip” is when he said that we’d be suspicious of him if he didn’t vote Speed.

Or maybe it was the other way around.

First it was one, then it was the other if I recall correctly.

I have no idea what to do with this guy.

He’s going to be hard to move out of my POE or ever be my top suspect without a healthy amount of tinfoil on the side.

[Sloonei]

i feel like wolbre has made one "accidental" slip after the other to the point where they aren't really accidental at all and has just rode it out the more people latch onto the theories.

My favorite Wolbre “slip” is when he said that we’d be suspicious of him if he didn’t vote Speed.

Or maybe it was the other way around.

First it was one, then it was the other if I recall correctly.

I have no idea what to do with this guy.

He’s going to be hard to move out of my POE or ever be my top suspect without a healthy amount of tinfoil on the side.

He could help us by sharing any reads he has today. [mention]wolbre04[/mention]

As long as he’s not behind the wheel when he does so.

[Turnip Head]

You got any words to say about kyle whittling down his POE to you and a couple others?

Kyle is a beautiful soul both inside and out of this game. I'll whittle his POE anytime.

[Jackofhearts2005]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

He got emotional enough that he felt the need to take a time out and apologize to me later.

How much of an emotional reaction do you expect?

Idk, an amount of emotion. I’m not sure I understand the question. That seems perfectly in line with kyle’s character as a delightful human being, but nothing that i’ve seen in the thread convinced me that he needs to be town in the way that, say, choutas’ response to being bandwagoned did. I sense a bit more fatigue and resignation in kyle. I may be in a tunnel on him now though.

Nm.
I missed the “regardless of alignment” bit.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You got any words to say about kyle whittling down his POE to you and a couple others?

Kyle is a beautiful soul both inside and out of this game. I'll whittle his POE anytime.

[wolbre04]

i feel like wolbre has made one "accidental" slip after the other to the point where they aren't really accidental at all and has just rode it out the more people latch onto the theories.

My favorite Wolbre “slip” is when he said that we’d be suspicious of him if he didn’t vote Speed.

Or maybe it was the other way around.

First it was one, then it was the other if I recall correctly.

I have no idea what to do with this guy.

He’s going to be hard to move out of my POE or ever be my top suspect without a healthy amount of tinfoil on the side.

He could help us by sharing any reads he has today. @wolbre04

As long as he’s not behind the wheel when he does so.

I'll do this when I get home

[Sloonei]

update on my wifi situation: comcast sent a guy to fix it. He couldn’t fix it. Looks like another day of no internet or cable here.

[Marmot]

i feel like wolbre has made one "accidental" slip after the other to the point where they aren't really accidental at all and has just rode it out the more people latch onto the theories.

My favorite Wolbre “slip” is when he said that we’d be suspicious of him if he didn’t vote Speed.

Or maybe it was the other way around.

First it was one, then it was the other if I recall correctly.

I have no idea what to do with this guy.

He’s going to be hard to move out of my POE or ever be my top suspect without a healthy amount of tinfoil on the side.

He could help us by sharing any reads he has today. @wolbre04

As long as he’s not behind the wheel when he does so.

I'll do this when I get home
[/[mention]wolbre04[/mention]

Yay no mafia and driving.

[Marmot]

I think I broke it.

[wolbre04]

I think I broke it.

Also I wasn't driving and doing mafia smh. I would check it at stoplights

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[Scotty]

I think I broke it.

Also I wasn't driving and doing mafia smh. I would check it at stoplights

youre doing it all wrong, you can get more done if you drive with your knee and have both hands free to mafia

[Sloonei]

I am leaving for work now. Sorry for not being more active, I am having technical difficulties. I am comfortable enough with my kyle vote anyway, and I support his lynch.

The main points against him are his treatment of speedchuck early on: he prodded him loosely and without direction a number of times early on, and then hopped on when real pressure started to go his way. If somebody bussed speedchuck, I could see kyle as the culprit. And then his behavior today has been uninspiring. He’s repearedly deflected my prompts for reads while insisting that I am not hunting, or something akin to that.

I encourage everyone to keep talking about everything, but I won’t be around to take part in that. As things currently stand, Kyle is my preferred choice. I disagree with the suspicion on Jack and I scratch my head at everything wolbre says. I have not been inclined to lynch nova ay any point recently, but his silence in the latter portion of this game is not helping.

If any of the remaining players are scum I tip my cap to them and they deserve to win.

[Marmot]

I am leaving for work now. Sorry for not being more active, I am having technical difficulties. I am comfortable enough with my kyle vote anyway, and I support his lynch.

The main points against him are his treatment of speedchuck early on: he prodded him loosely and without direction a number of times early on, and then hopped on when real pressure started to go his way. If somebody bussed speedchuck, I could see kyle as the culprit. And then his behavior today has been uninspiring. He’s repearedly deflected my prompts for reads while insisting that I am not hunting, or something akin to that.

I encourage everyone to keep talking about everything, but I won’t be around to take part in that. As things currently stand, Kyle is my preferred choice. I disagree with the suspicion on Jack and I scratch my head at everything wolbre says. I have not been inclined to lynch nova ay any point recently, but his silence in the latter portion of this game is not helping.

If any of the remaining players are scum I tip my cap to them and they deserve to win.

I understand. Wifi is expensive in Ancient Persia.

[Marmot]

I now want to create a mafia game where the roles are all the ridiculous ways of playing mafia.

You play mafia while squatting on the pot at a dinner party.
You play mafia in rush hour traffic.
You play mafia in a sleeping bag in the wilderness.
You play mafia at your own wedding.
etc.

This is gonna happen.

[Kylemii]

if jack is mafia then he's already won and nothing can reasonably be done about it so im ignoring that possibility

what's that face? do you disagree

[Kylemii]

spacedaisy was largely the cause of speedchuck death and speedchuck voted for her when she was almost lynched, 2 votes down from

sloonei and wolbre are probably indies, I think? maybe I'm wrong. if anyone has a reason to think they're not, say something because if their placement is different then it changes a few things.

Marmot is helot.

I still don't believe that Nova's interactions with Colin gaurantee his innocence as much as you guys seem to think they do.

that should leave dunya and Turnip Head but that doesn't feel right as a mafia pairing especially considering turnip head is trying to lynch dunya. so something from earlier has to be wrong.

Am I still indie because wolbre allegedly slipped like ten years ago? Because that’s a thing that you’re wrong about and I’m surprised that theory has survived this long. I have no particular reason to believe he is indie either, but I can’t exactly say I’ve been indie hunting.

I wouldn't say Indy hunting is a priority other than for PoE. are you really not Indy?

if only one of dunya or th is bad, which is it?

hmm gth I'd say dunya, but only cus I think th's strategy of declaring war with the sun doesn't necessarily make sense to me in terms of mafia strategy

[Kylemii]

i think..... my lynch is okay. If it happens, I get it. Good or bad my destiny is to either live til the end or be culled for the sake of PoE.

If the Indies chose to side with mafia then we were fucked anyways, and if they didn't then the endgame will progress more smoothly without me in it, I think. so I'm okay with this.

[Kylemii]

I don't believe wolbre indieslipped and then called out the other 2 indie players. first of all, they don't know each other. the chat they share is anonymous. and if he did work out who they BOTH were by some miracle, and called himself out as indie and then also named them both by name, yea...I don't think Jay would have allowed it. i'm not going to believe it.

literally the first thing anyone does when they're put in anonymous btsc is secretly try to figure out who they're in with.

quin has a unique time zone so he's online at times when not everyone else is, and sloonei'd probably be identifiable by his reads or whatever. It's not unthinkable, and it's more likely that the Indies would know who the others were than that they wouldn't, especially after what was it, 12 real life days minimum of btsc?

[Sloonei]

if jack is mafia then he's already won and nothing can reasonably be done about it so im ignoring that possibility

what's that face? do you disagree

Yes. Jack has been a relatively popular suspect. Why would he be unlynchable?

[Sloonei]

Good news: my wifi at home is back up and running
Bad news: i’m not there

[Kylemii]

almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

He got emotional enough that he felt the need to take a time out and apologize to me later.

in GoC?? as well?
hmmmmm

no he's just talking about here. jack wasn't part of the GoC.

[dunya]

cont. Wolbre's ISO from pt 1, here's part 2:

colonialbob
Can you please take that vote off a town member. Thanks


Sloonei is probably not mafia js unless there's some fuckery amiss

I really don't understand how and why Sloonei is townread by wolbre. it just happened. there's no buildup or basis for it. It confuses me. he claims for certainty he's not mafia, but could be 3p who is aligned to mafia. I don't get it. where does this certainty stem from? is it a scummer trying to town read someone they know is town (I know I've done that before as scum, and earned points for it from the person I've townread despite others' adversity to my townread). cos that's what I make from it.

Spoiler: show

I currently don't think Long Con is bad just from reading his posts and hearing my instinct say "Hey, this guy's evil, but probably evil good".

I'm undecided on Sockface. I'm happy to see him posting this day phase and hope he doesn't slow down too much.

Meanwhile, TH has managed to avoid any scrutiny or scuffling. That's mildly suspect.

His recent responses have caused me to push him down to fourth in my list of four baddies. He's still the one that could most easily be replaced by someone else in terms of the interlocking pieces. While his response to MP is an ill-advised No U, it doesn't absolutely have to be a baddie mindset.

I'm also not loving colonialbob today.

What's wrong with cbob in your assessment?

I don't like Cbob either. Maybe just a wallflowering scum trying to hop onto me with weak reasoning?

didn't like this nou from wolbre here and butting into someone else's discussion of cbob to voice it. I didn't recall cbob's hopping onto wolbre so I went to have a look...

so, it was cbob's third post when he replaced in that day and it was like a random ass vote referencing Epi who had called wolbre out on Day 1.

[VOTE: wolbre04 ] aubergine

Epivote.

Going to ISO wolbre and maybe read Mac's case on sloonbeard.

cbob even found wolbre's defense odd and asked him why he was worried about 1 vote.

seems like a scum reaction to 1 vote, being overly concerned about it that he had to call it suspicious before anyone caught on. don't like this look.

Sloon is NOT mafia, he's probably an indie imo but may side with scum eventually

What gives you the idea that he is indie and not mafia specifically?

He's not acting townie but not quite scum either. Additionally I hinted at what I meant in an earlier post. Mac saw it. Colin should be getting more votes, Sloonei can be dealt with later if he's 3p

ugh. this is where he's saving sloonei and trying to get colin lynched. honestly, this is the only think that I think wolbre has in his favor. the whole reasoning is suspicious. "hinting" at what? I couldn't make it out. wish I understood what Mac interpreted that as. but again, we're left with wolbre "townslipping" and it makes me uncomfortable. but +1 for wanting to lynch colin instead of sloonei when it was a toss up between the 2 I guess.

I find Mac's defense of wolbre's defense of Sloonei confoundling all at once.

It was really aggressive. He accused me of not wanting to bother analyze posts and I don't know where he's getting that from. I don't see a reason against Wolbre explaining his thoughts and giving the analysis of Sloonei's posts that lead him to believe that. It's standard procedure.

There's really no reason for me to explain anything further beyond "Sloonei isn't pure mafia. He might be 3p aligned mafia or regular town" at the moment. Night actions told me so and I'm confident in myself

o.O

.....

no comment.

he then backtracks to "I think sloonei is town" -- when Golden basically says he's broken some rules in that post.

this isn't wolbre's first mafia game to make all these slip-ups btw. this is like his 7th game. this must be some kind of record for slips in a game.

finally came to a reason why he town reads sloonei:

Spoiler: show

Regarding Sloon,
Especially D1 stuff I think looked nice as time went on

Hey I just got to Colin's vote. Let's look at it.

I don't like the case for nova right now; reading the thread, it looks like it's based on the whole sig thing, but then why wouldn't people just vote sig? Feels weird to me, but sig doesn't seem like scum either. I don't think using hedge words is necessarily a scum tell, I think some people just talk like that (you might notice I say the word "just" about a thousand times a post, for example.) Nothing after that changed my view of him.

Why would people vote sig in nova's place? I don't see how a vote for nova based on his interaction with sig necessitates a sig suspicion.

I don't think Epignosis is scum right now. I think he doesn't give a shit, but there's a big difference there. I can't support lynching him.

So as far as people who did ping me ... The case against lunalee was interesting. I really don't like the scenario she outlines where Persians conspire on day 1 to lynch dunya, I don't think it's likely and it seems like big buddying. She kind of reminds me of my scum play in FWWM, possibly acting overly friendly as obfuscation. GTH, scum read right now, and that's the best I can go for.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

I agree with him RE: Epi. And in Epi's spirit, I'm gonna pick out the word "interesting" here. Interesting is an empty word in the context of suspicions. Either a case is strong or it's weak. Interesting means nothing. Why does "the scenario she outlines" point to scum lunalee? This post kind of feels constructed to generate a vote on a player rather than a sincere effort to produce a read.

Looking at the poll, I see that Kyle also voted for Luna, but I can't see what the order was. Was kyle's vote before or after this? If Kyle was already there then I don't quite object to the strategy as strongly as I otherwise would. A 2-person train is not nothing in this poll, even with <10 minutes to go. Regardless, I am not a big fan of this vote. @ColinIsCool if you were to have ranked the three main wagons (nova, sig, epi) in order of preference at the time of this vote, how would that list have looked?

He didn't like the sig lynch (and it turned out to be a mislynch) that's largely the basis for my argument. He also seems to call out Colin a bit here for a janky vote.

kinda wish he hadn't given us a reason and kept us wondering. really man? nah.

anyway, if I keep posting sloonei/wolbre posts I'll never be done. I think I've reached the conclusion wolbre wouldn't out an indie-mate, and wolbre is scum hence his confidence in town sloonei which is actually tmi and not team mate confusion. makes sense? yep.

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I would love a bit of an explanation here.

MP and LC have a heated argument, spilling over from my interaction with LC. It lasts for a half hour and then both suddenly drop the hostilities and keep their votes on each other. Neither will get lynched today

I love your brain.

Agreed. This is beautiful.

Also, MP said he was moving his vote to Jack, but didn't.

A neat segue.

I have Jack, Kyle, Spacedaisy and Speedchuck as null. Spacedaisy gets a birthday pass (not for much longer). Very strange for that remaining trio wouldn't you say? I can't point at anything but my overall feeling towards them all is that they are:

a) Not their usual selves
b) Flying under le radar
c) Very nice boys

@Dom @Marmot @wolbre04 would also like your thoughts. And anyone else obviously.

A -It's really hard for me to comment on a because I'm new here so I will defer to others on that.
B - I def think they are flying under the radar (daisy is a bit of an exception, but still) and Kyle had a period where he was getting pressed. Not so much the other two for a bit, it seems
C - They haven't been inflammatory yet

No thoughts on Kyle
I could maaaaybe see jack fitting into a scumteam comp but it's a stretch for me. He hasn't been here in awhile and I can't decide whether that's laying low or just having a life
Speedchuck seemed to be actively trying to solve the game earlier so I don't have any issues with him
As you said, I'm not going to pester daisy
1. I don't know her so she doesn't want some random dude pinging her
2. I don't wanna be an ass and bother her when she's trying to enjoy her bday time

wolbre's first mention of speedchuck. he says "speedchuck seemed to be actively trying to solve the game earlier so I don't have any issues with him"

soft early defense. he was questioned about 3 other people, but only gives town cred to speed who flipped scum. the other 3 are still in the game, but he says he has no thoughts on Kyle, gives a light scum read to jack and says he doesn't want to bother daisy because it was her bday.

I can see wolbre/speed/kyle at this point.

so I lied and am going to mention sloonei/wolbre again

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Spicy read:

Mac, gun to your head who are the remaining 3 scum
I'm going to apologize in advance as I work 12 hour shifts Friday nights and Saturday nights starting at 11 pm - so I'm going to be few and far between. (I'll send the pay stubs screenshots if you want proof :P )

Lunalee, Sloonei, Long Con

Mac was right and they killed him for it

funny how he has no problem making this post which basically names sloonei as possible scum. I mean I know it was tongue in cheek, but after like 100 posts going out of his way to defend sloonei from scum accusations, it seems out of place to me, a real eye sore. my ocd is twitching.

and when you think the post above was tongue in cheek, you're proven wrong:

[VOTE: LongCon] aubergine idk why we are going after a wallflower when we have macs hunches still alive

he actually voted for Long Con with the excuse of following Mac's hunches. like for seriously.

oh yea, he's seriously going after Luna and LC

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[VOTE: LongCon] aubergine idk why we are going after a wallflower when we have macs hunches still alive

I don't know why you keep calling them Mac's hunches when I clearly called them out first and Mac followed me. Stuff like this is bothersome in that it could explain Mac's death.

Noone should blindly follow the leads of someone who is dead. That's the way you let mafia control the action. It's great as a mafia to kill a strong town lead and then blindly go down their picks.

I want to see discussion not blind devotion.

to be fair..... it wasn't just you and mac running the show here.

I don't understand why people are voting for choutas. I've never played with them before and they're not striking me as bad.

To be fair - that's sort of my point. Accrediting "Mac" as being the only person who has done anything is bothersome to me.

I'm not just blindly following (and wasn't trying to say no one else did anything - Macs list just stood out in my mind more) but lynching a wallflower who hasn't posted is great if he's mafia but provides almost 0 info either way. The only positiveis a dead maf.

That’s a pretty big positive.

Who do you want to vote for, and dk you have anything to say about the content of choutas’/lunalee’s posts?

Well sure as hell not Choutas lol as he hasn't done anything at all this game
Luna, LC are my priorities to get lynched as I feel they're tied

but not sloonei.

dude i'm almost convinced if wolbre is bad, sloonei is bad. am I crazy now?

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So at what point do we lynch wolbre/Sloonei/Quin to determine if they sided with the mafia

We still need to eliminate mafia sooooo I'm focusing on that for now.

Fffffffff
I'm not indie I swear!

And if I was indie, I sure as hell wouldn't side with mafia, at least with town I start as town and finish as one

how does indie start as town? indie have no alliance till they decide who they want to win with.

Indies count as nonmafia for majority unless they side with them

i'm not sure if this is true, but if wolbre asked jay, and jay said that to wolbre, this seems like a thing scum would ask the host to clarify that early on.

and now look at this gem. his rainbow list on night 4.

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Rainbow list

Wolbre04 - The king and is also not indie ffs

Speed chuck
Scotty
Cbob
Jack
Kyle
Marmot
Quin
golden
Sloonei
MP
Coitus
TH
Nova
Dunya
Spacedaisy

before this, the only mention of spacedaisy was that he didn't want to disturb her on her bday. and now she's suddenly his greatest suspect.

he suspected me because I broke a tie when I explained I don't like ties.

no idea why he put nova down there but I bet based on discussion revolving nova suspicion at the time.

sloonei isn't even green or blue on his rainbow.

speedchuck is suddenly second behind only him!

holy macaroon. player salad anyone?

Chuck called out Colin early iirc so I doubt it was a bus for the hell of it

interesting... so did wolbre according to his iso. at least, wolbre actively lynched colin instead of sloonei.

could this have actually been a colin bus despite everything I thought about Colin being no way a bussing candidate? speed/nova/wolbre/colin team? o.O

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine
If she flips town I'm going after Coitus and Nova and TH

I found this a really weird line of thinking. I dunno if I ever got a reply on it either. so if I'm town, he has three scum spects down. what the fuck is the relationship between all 4 names?

another goddamn player salad.

I have speed as a town read, if I don't lynch him that makes me look bad

Do I look bad now for defending chuck. No one has noticed me

why does me being town incriminate those 3?

It didn't necessarily directly incriminate them, at the time of that post, I had made a rainbow with those people at the bottom of it. My point was that IF dunya was Mislynched, then I would go after the rest of the people at the bottom as well

he replied to the weird player salad pairing. he claims choutas, nova and TH were all at the bottom of his rainbow so if I'm town, they're next. makes sense. but conveniently forgets Daisy? there's no development of his daisy read where she goes from scumspect to trusted townie even though he engages her during the speed lynch and kind of takes her advice. I don't engage my strongest RED scumspect in sincere discussion when choosing who to lynch. wolbre must have forgot daisy was his suspect.


and now night 6 rainbow, me and daisy are town, nova moves up for no reason, and sloonei is now on his suspect list.

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Town:
Dunya
Cbob
Wolbre04
Daisy
MP7

Somewhere out there:
Quin
Kyle
Nova

Suspected Scum (Most to least)
Jack
TH
Marmot
Sloonei

ok guys, I'm stopping here cos this is taking forever and I need to ISO Kyle before eod.

Wolbre is a major suspect. his only gleaming light is the Colin lynch push, but if he and speed were in on the bus (and this would incriminate nova later), then I've been a fool this game.

[dunya]

imo, if wolbre flips scum, nova is his teammate. but I haven't done Kyle's iso yet. but that's where my head is at atm.

[Kylemii]

another thing, if i were mafia there's no way id be okay with my team killing golden on night 2.

golden being in this game was maybe the only reason why i signed up.