U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Game Over

[dunya]

A tendency I noticed in dunya's play both in Fire Emblem and Ancient Greece was to speak in absolute terms how a game is constructed (whether its roles or its mechanics) beyond the knowledge a civilian can have or the confidence a civilian should have. Indeed, she was critical of others who considered theories beyond the obvious truth she promoted -- one born of her unique knowledge given her mafia alignments.

Her early stature in this game given Golden's notion of a character submission inspiring a more probable civilian alignment is a suitable parallel. I actually agree with her logic in base terms -- a Mafia game would be in its most proper form, randomized entirely. Mac himself suggested though that this game may be bastardized or otherwise not entirely balanced. There ought to be some room to consider the less obvious or logical possibilities.

what were the things she said in thread in greece and fire emblem that she shouldn't have been able to know if not mafia?

She was TMIing all over the thread about the Hellenic League and how it worked in Ancient Greece. I'd have to go back to Fire Emblem and find the initial inspiration for that thought. I think I saw it there.

ahaaa. I think I understood. let me make sure. so you're saying my dismissal of Golden's theory that Mac handpicked players into alignments this game is TMI?

[nutella]

A tendency I noticed in dunya's play both in Fire Emblem and Ancient Greece was to speak in absolute terms how a game is constructed (whether its roles or its mechanics) beyond the knowledge a civilian can have or the confidence a civilian should have. Indeed, she was critical of others who considered theories beyond the obvious truth she promoted -- one born of her unique knowledge given her mafia alignments.

Her early stature in this game given Golden's notion of a character submission inspiring a more probable civilian alignment is a suitable parallel. I actually agree with her logic in base terms -- a Mafia game would be in its most proper form, randomized entirely. Mac himself suggested though that this game may be bastardized or otherwise not entirely balanced. There ought to be some room to consider the less obvious or logical possibilities.

dunya's tone overall sounds very much like her mafia game so far.

[wolbre04]

But I would like more input re: wolbre and the alleged Boobquest please and thank you.

I don't understand the boobquest. I have not read most of the boobquest.

It’s an underhanded ploy to make you sing a song.

I don't need Jay to specifically sing a song, I just need someone else to do it for the task. I also have to do it FIRST. So if this a lie then im going to some pretty fucking extreme lengths

[ColinIsCool]

I mean, is infodumping allowed in bastard set-ups? Because it sounds to me like wolbre would be infodumping were he being truthful, but, idk, I could be wrong about it all.

[Kylemii]

Also my role changes over the game when I complete goals and shit, so d2 I am going to start needing help with them

i hate that your role that's apparently just based on "steve tyler's abhorrent pec-flesh" has so much depth and apparently a whole story arc filled with character growth and important life lessons

[wolbre04]

I mean, is infodumping allowed in bastard set-ups? Because it sounds to me like wolbre would be infodumping were he being truthful, but, idk, I could be wrong about it all.

Well I have to get other people to help me for my tasks so im quite obviously going to have to ask. I made sure to read the rules in the OP to ensure I could do it how I wanted

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But I would like more input re: wolbre and the alleged Boobquest please and thank you.

I don't understand the boobquest. I have not read most of the boobquest.

It’s an underhanded ploy to make you sing a song.

I don't need Jay to specifically sing a song, I just need someone else to do it for the task. I also have to do it FIRST. So if this a lie then im going to some pretty fucking extreme lengths

If you have to sing first then get to it. I can be the trailing act. I only know one ABBA song, and I barely know it (Dancing Queen). I have no shame though, and that sounds more fun to me than hunting for bad guys.

[ColinIsCool]

Logging off for the night, so I'm looking forward to reading 35 pages about completely different players tomorrow! Please engage the Boobquest queries I've made!

[wolbre04]

Also my role changes over the game when I complete goals and shit, so d2 I am going to start needing help with them

i hate that your role that's apparently just based on "steve tyler's abhorrent pec-flesh" has so much depth and apparently a whole story arc filled with character growth and important life lessons

It's making an appearance in WW season 2

[Kylemii]

I'm saying Mac warned us the game MAY be imbalanced. if he was handpicking teams, he would have called it a fucking bastardized game outright hands-down, no maybes about it.

Rule 9. This is a bastard game. Don't get all upset when weird shit happens.

[Scotty]

But I would like more input re: wolbre and the alleged Boobquest please and thank you.

I don't understand the boobquest. I have not read most of the boobquest.

It’s an underhanded ploy to make you sing a song.

I don't need Jay to specifically sing a song, I just need someone else to do it for the task. I also have to do it FIRST. So if this a lie then im going to some pretty fucking extreme lengths

If you have to sing first then get to it. I can be the trailing act. I only know one ABBA song, and I barely know it (Dancing Queen). I have no shame though, and that sounds more fun to me than hunting for bad guys.

oh god please no abba please

[dunya]

I mean, is infodumping allowed in bastard set-ups? Because it sounds to me like wolbre would be infodumping were he being truthful, but, idk, I could be wrong about it all.

infodumping is allowed in this game, since it's a closed setup.

I feel like wolbre is being earnest in his quest because I have a similar, yet more sadistic stipulation and mac likes to keep things interesting.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's no second boob tho.

[Kylemii]

that should have been in quotes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ahaaa. I think I understood. let me make sure. so you're saying my dismissal of Golden's theory that Mac handpicked players into alignments this game is TMI?

I think it's inaccurate to reduce Golden's notion to "Mac handpicked players into alignments" if I understand him correctly. Instead, a more precise version: "Mac was influenced by some role choices which were so blinding in their moral implications and stature that a certain alignment made the most sense, without regard for who it was and not necessarily even realizing which player was associated with it at the time of judgment".

In any event, I do think it smells of TMI to reject any of these ideas off-hand with such an assertive tone. I wasn't able to reject them myself given my own expectations for the role I submitted until I saw my rolecard.

You're a cat, which has no implications for alignment. Your teammates might have been surprised to find their Mother Teresa roles on a mafia team though.

[dunya]

I'm saying Mac warned us the game MAY be imbalanced. if he was handpicking teams, he would have called it a fucking bastardized game outright hands-down, no maybes about it.

Rule 9. This is a bastard game. Don't get all upset when weird shit happens.

yeah but in signups he said maybe imbalanced because of the nature of the roles.

i just know mac wouldn't accept to play a game with handpicked players in each team so he wouldn't run a game like that either.

[dunya]

"Mac was influenced by some role choices which were so blinding in their moral implications and stature that a certain alignment made the most sense, without regard for who it was and not necessarily even realizing which player was associated with it at the time of judgment".

come on. really? really?

[Quin]

Dunya said that I am always ambiguous when I am bad. She has played with a scum Quin once. Yuck!

[dunya]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"Mac was influenced by some role choices which were so blinding in their moral implications and stature that a certain alignment made the most sense, without regard for who it was and not necessarily even realizing which player was associated with it at the time of judgment".

come on. really? really?

Yes. I thought there was a good chance I'd be mafia because of the role I submitted. I didn't think being JJJ was relevant or even that Mac would necessarily make that connection.

There's no reason to discard this stuff if you don't actually know. I had an excuse post-role card, but Lizzy the cat does not.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

Calling it "ridiculous" is the entire problem. You're not even giving it a moment of thought. Mac already gave us the answer, but you knew the answer before that. I don't care for it.

[dunya]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

Calling it "ridiculous" is the entire problem. You're not even giving it a moment of thought. Mac already gave us the answer, but you knew the answer before that. I don't care for it.

so, how did i know the answer if i was scum?

[Golden]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

This rule is self-serving when the discussions is directly aimed at establishing your affiliation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

Calling it "ridiculous" is the entire problem. You're not even giving it a moment of thought. Mac already gave us the answer, but you knew the answer before that. I don't care for it.

so, how did i know the answer if i was scum?

I already told you that, but you snipped it out of my post.

Your teammates have goodly-seeming roles and were surprised to find themselves in a coven of evil. It was discussed in BTSC early.

[Golden]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

Calling it "ridiculous" is the entire problem. You're not even giving it a moment of thought. Mac already gave us the answer, but you knew the answer before that. I don't care for it.

Epi would be crawling all over these adjectives.

[dunya]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

Calling it "ridiculous" is the entire problem. You're not even giving it a moment of thought. Mac already gave us the answer, but you knew the answer before that. I don't care for it.

so, how did i know the answer if i was scum?

I already told you that, but you snipped it out of my post.

Your teammates have goodly-seeming roles and were surprised to find themselves in a coven of evil. It was discussed in BTSC early.

okkkkkkayyyyyy. i get it now.

alright, i can't defend against that. what else you got?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

are you lynching a no-poster today?

That’s the plan.

That’s always the plan.

If he shows up, then I look at most suspicious. But I’m shit at reading people day 1 anyway soooo

What's up? I'm here

What do you have to say for yourself?

[MacDougall]

Announcement

I have instituted "Time Out" as a penalty for breaking any of the rules. If you are placed in "Time Out" I will tell you about it. It's a need to know thing.

Players who from this moment in break rules 4 or 9 run the risk of being placed in Time Out.

That is all.

[speedchuck]

Who should I daykill you guys?

Wolbre and....

Kites

[JaggedJimmyJay]

what else you got?

You don't need to concern yourself with that. Do things. You have 150some posts and maybe 15-20% of them feature hunting. The rest are defensive or spam. Go to work and I'll observe.

[Kylemii]

I'm saying Mac warned us the game MAY be imbalanced. if he was handpicking teams, he would have called it a fucking bastardized game outright hands-down, no maybes about it.

Rule 9. This is a bastard game. Don't get all upset when weird shit happens.

yeah but in signups he said maybe imbalanced because of the nature of the roles.

i just know mac wouldn't accept to play a game with handpicked players in each team so he wouldn't run a game like that either.

oh right, i mean i pretty much agree. i think mac probably randomized most roles, and i don't think we should assume that balance wasn't a primary worry for him, nor should we assume that it was either.

there's a lot of ways he could have done it, maybe chosen powers first then randomized and just went with whatever came up or maybe randomized then altered the powers to balance things out so they'd be fair-ish. maybe he selected rogues from the submitted roles that seemed most rogue-like, or maybe he randomized that too and re-picked powers and goals that would fit for the role name. the best thing we can do is not worry about it and expect things to get weird

[speedchuck]

Oh it's day 1 now. I missed a ton and I'm not going back to read.

[wolbre04]

[Jackofhearts2005]

i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.

What did Golden accuse you of?

[wolbre04]

Join me my brothers and sisters

[Jackofhearts2005]

Announcement

I have instituted "Time Out" as a penalty for breaking any of the rules. If you are placed in "Time Out" I will tell you about it. It's a need to know thing.

Players who from this moment in break rules 4 or 9 run the risk of being placed in Time Out.

That is all.

What about spankings?

[Kylemii]

But I would like more input re: wolbre and the alleged Boobquest please and thank you.

I don't understand the boobquest. I have not read most of the boobquest.

It’s an underhanded ploy to make you sing a song.

I don't need Jay to specifically sing a song, I just need someone else to do it for the task. I also have to do it FIRST. So if this a lie then im going to some pretty fucking extreme lengths

the song is related to the masculine rockstar chest flesh adventure?

[MacDougall]

Announcement

I have instituted "Time Out" as a penalty for breaking any of the rules. If you are placed in "Time Out" I will tell you about it. It's a need to know thing.

Players who from this moment in break rules 4 or 9 run the risk of being placed in Time Out.

That is all.

What about spankings?

What happens in Time Out, stays in Time Out.

[Kylemii]

Also my role changes over the game when I complete goals and shit, so d2 I am going to start needing help with them

i hate that your role that's apparently just based on "steve tyler's abhorrent pec-flesh" has so much depth and apparently a whole story arc filled with character growth and important life lessons

It's making an appearance in WW season 2

spoilers :\

[Jackofhearts2005]

Who should I daykill you guys?

Wolbre and....

Kites

[wolbre04]

Who should I daykill you guys?

Wolbre and....

Kites

No don't kill me ffs I'm trying so hard at this quest

[Jackofhearts2005]

Join me my brothers and sisters

I’m more of an ass man.

Spoiler: show

[speedchuck]

Join me my brothers and sisters

I’m more of an ass man.

Spoiler: show

what. show. is. that?

[wolbre04]

Join me my brothers and sisters

I’m more of an ass man.

Spoiler: show

what. show. is. that?

I made this banner myself LOL

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jack has an anime .gif for everything.

[speedchuck]

Join me my brothers and sisters

I’m more of an ass man.

Spoiler: show

what. show. is. that?

I made this banner myself LOL

Jack's butt gif tho

[Jackofhearts2005]

Join me my brothers and sisters

I’m more of an ass man.

Spoiler: show

what. show. is. that?

Keijo.

The joke is that Gilgamesh uses the “Gate of Babylon” to bring forth all true weapons. The spoof character has the “Gate of Bootylon” which is...similar, I guess.

[speedchuck]

That's fantastic

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

are you lynching a no-poster today?

That’s the plan.

That’s always the plan.

If he shows up, then I look at most suspicious. But I’m shit at reading people day 1 anyway soooo

What's up? I'm here

Coolbeans

You read any of the things?

I'm currently reading on and off. Should be up to speed in a few hours when I come back home.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

are you lynching a no-poster today?

That’s the plan.

That’s always the plan.

If he shows up, then I look at most suspicious. But I’m shit at reading people day 1 anyway soooo

What's up? I'm here

What do you have to say for yourself?

I'm a cool guy

[juliets]

Colin, Imo I think what Jay brought up is entirely possible, even probable that the other boob is someone who just told Mac to give them a role. What I don't quite get is if it's ok for wolbre to declare role specifics why can't the right breast just say "here I am"? All I can think of is that the right breast can't do that for some role related reason that Mac designed. Anyway, I am buying what wolbre is saying. It seems too elaborate to be made up.

dunya, I'd like to refresh myself on civ dunya to make sure what I remember is accurate and to contrast that with what I am learning about bad dunya. What are your two most recent civ games?

I'm currently reading Golden as town because as I think nutella brought up his high degree of conviction reads town to me. That doesn't mean I think he's right, just that he believes he is right and is not afraid to be emphatic about it. Also nutella, didn't you say earlier you were reading dunya as town and then not long ago you said you were reading her as mafia? What happened to change your opinion (or did I misunderstand)?

Also I just noticed that EOD will be at 12:44 am Saturday May 19th- that's basically tomorrow night right? Is that 48 hours? Maybe I'm just confused. Anyway, do not expect me to be around at EOD, way past my bedtime.

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