U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Game Over

[Turnip Head]

Is there a Mr. Grandma Sloon?

YES HIS NAME IS GERALD

I have not been reading the tabloids

So disrespectful...

I morph into a nursing home tomorrow night so dontchyu worry 'bout a thang, bunky

I'ma take reeeaaalll good care of you.

[ColinIsCool]

And I reserve the right to ask as many questions of as many suspects as I please. It’s called scumhunting. If you don’t like it, boy are you in for a bad time!

[Long Con]

Welcome to the game Con

Not bad for a first post, huh?

[Golden]

DDL and I will never see eye to eye on anything, but in any event I’ve given my warning with full disclosure and if it isn’t heeded there’s nothing more I can do.

[Kylemii]

DEADPOOL 2 WAS AMAZINGGGGGGG. EVERYONE SHOULD GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND GO SEE IT SO THAT DEADPOOL 3 BECOMES A THING

wow, spoilers :/

[dunya]

DEADPOOL 2 WAS AMAZINGGGGGGG. EVERYONE SHOULD GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND GO SEE IT SO THAT DEADPOOL 3 BECOMES A THING

Please mind your language...

yes nana

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And I reserve the right to ask as many questions of as many suspects as I please. It’s called scumhunting. If you don’t like it, boy are you in for a bad time!

So am I. You asked a question that was oppurtunistic at best and scummy at worse. I called it out for what it was. I reserve that right too.

[ColinIsCool]

Seriously, though, the scumteams should be actually hunting this game, since there are rogues and another team. Why not let everyone have a go at it? We have 30ish players and nobody has died yet.

This dramatic reduction thing is hogwash. It's just an extra phase worth of players lost, worst case. Best case, it puts mafia under as much pressure as us.

So your preferred scenario is one where mafia members can A. get closer to their win con easier and B. earn town cred by having a better shot at catching an opposing scum? How does that help town? I’m wary about the possibility of a scum catching another one and walking away looking pretty good in players’ eyes, in any lynch. 3 lynches makes that so much easier.

Are you saying we shouldn't lynch mafia because giving credit for opposing mafia is a bad thing?

Like what the hell?

No. I’m saying that speed’s specific rationale here is dangerous.

If that is dangerous, then any rationale that attempts to get scum lynched is dangerous.

At the point the only way to avoid that danger is not signing up for mafia games.

I’m not following you here. Speed seems content to allow scum to get town points by picking each other off and would like them to be able to do so more easily. Of course it’s possible in any lynch, but it’s more possible with 3 at a time and it’s something any townie ought to remain vigilant about.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I will give scum every town point in existance if that means we lynched extra scum in the process.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Points are temporary. Dead baddies are forever.

[Long Con]

DDL and I will never see eye to eye on anything, but in any event I’ve given my warning with full disclosure and if it isn’t heeded there’s nothing more I can do.

Your "revelation" that you made the night poll makes no difference to any decision-making. I raise my eyebrow at those who just changed their vote because you said that. Wolbre? Juliets? What difference does it make? Were we all supposed to be like "Oh GOLDEN made the poll so let's all choose the option he says!"

[Dragon D. Luffy]

People dropping #1 for #2.

Yeah I'm staying at #6.

[Golden]

DDL and I will never see eye to eye on anything, but in any event I’ve given my warning with full disclosure and if it isn’t heeded there’s nothing more I can do.

Your "revelation" that you made the night poll makes no difference to any decision-making. I raise my eyebrow at those who just changed their vote because you said that. Wolbre? Juliets? What difference does it make? Were we all supposed to be like "Oh GOLDEN made the poll so let's all choose the option he says!"

There are negative consequences for option 6, I made that pretty clear.

[Long Con]

Seriously, though, the scumteams should be actually hunting this game, since there are rogues and another team. Why not let everyone have a go at it? We have 30ish players and nobody has died yet.

This dramatic reduction thing is hogwash. It's just an extra phase worth of players lost, worst case. Best case, it puts mafia under as much pressure as us.

So your preferred scenario is one where mafia members can A. get closer to their win con easier and B. earn town cred by having a better shot at catching an opposing scum? How does that help town? I’m wary about the possibility of a scum catching another one and walking away looking pretty good in players’ eyes, in any lynch. 3 lynches makes that so much easier.

Are you saying we shouldn't lynch mafia because giving credit for opposing mafia is a bad thing?

Like what the hell?

No. I’m saying that speed’s specific rationale here is dangerous.

If that is dangerous, then any rationale that attempts to get scum lynched is dangerous.

At the point the only way to avoid that danger is not signing up for mafia games.

I’m not following you here. Speed seems content to allow scum to get town points by picking each other off and would like them to be able to do so more easily. Of course it’s possible in any lynch, but it’s more possible with 3 at a time and it’s something any townie ought to remain vigilant about.

So.... you are against scum lynching scum because they might get Civ cred for it? We know about that kind of thing around here, two-mafia-team games are not uncommon.

[Long Con]

DDL and I will never see eye to eye on anything, but in any event I’ve given my warning with full disclosure and if it isn’t heeded there’s nothing more I can do.

Your "revelation" that you made the night poll makes no difference to any decision-making. I raise my eyebrow at those who just changed their vote because you said that. Wolbre? Juliets? What difference does it make? Were we all supposed to be like "Oh GOLDEN made the poll so let's all choose the option he says!"

There are negative consequences for option 6, I made that pretty clear.

There are potential negatives.

We also might lynch three baddies.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: 6] aubergine
2 is bad.

[ColinIsCool]

And I reserve the right to ask as many questions of as many suspects as I please. It’s called scumhunting. If you don’t like it, boy are you in for a bad time!

So am I. You asked a question that was oppurtunistic at best and scummy at worse. I called it out for what it was. I reserve that right too.

Lol K

[Golden]

Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

[ColinIsCool]

Points are temporary. Dead baddies are forever.

But at some point the accumulation of town points prevents a baddie from getting dead.

[Turnip Head]

I think what Golden is saying is like... if we vote for option 6 we might experience some side effects

[Sloonei]

Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

I’m legally blind without my glasses!!

[ColinIsCool]

Seriously, though, the scumteams should be actually hunting this game, since there are rogues and another team. Why not let everyone have a go at it? We have 30ish players and nobody has died yet.

This dramatic reduction thing is hogwash. It's just an extra phase worth of players lost, worst case. Best case, it puts mafia under as much pressure as us.

So your preferred scenario is one where mafia members can A. get closer to their win con easier and B. earn town cred by having a better shot at catching an opposing scum? How does that help town? I’m wary about the possibility of a scum catching another one and walking away looking pretty good in players’ eyes, in any lynch. 3 lynches makes that so much easier.

Are you saying we shouldn't lynch mafia because giving credit for opposing mafia is a bad thing?

Like what the hell?

No. I’m saying that speed’s specific rationale here is dangerous.

If that is dangerous, then any rationale that attempts to get scum lynched is dangerous.

At the point the only way to avoid that danger is not signing up for mafia games.

I’m not following you here. Speed seems content to allow scum to get town points by picking each other off and would like them to be able to do so more easily. Of course it’s possible in any lynch, but it’s more possible with 3 at a time and it’s something any townie ought to remain vigilant about.

So.... you are against scum lynching scum because they might get Civ cred for it? We know about that kind of thing around here, two-mafia-team games are not uncommon.

I’m not against scum lynching scum. I’m against the future reads I’m going to see when it happens because scum luck out and I think speed’s post, tonally, did not consider that. I also think it’s strange of DDL to dig at it only when I’m asking questions of him.

[Golden]

See what I mean dunya? This is how hard I have to work to get people to listen to me. They never will.

On that note, if option 6 wins lynch me tomorrow. I’d be actively harmful to the town if they won’t listen to me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

[Epignosis]

I think Golden is trying to tell y'all something.

[dunya]

See what I mean dunya? This is how hard I have to work to get people to listen to me. They never will.

On that note, if option 6 wins lynch me tomorrow. I’d be actively harmful to the town if they won’t listen to me.

I mean you came to a party with cocaine, guns and beer. you're the enabler here.

[Sloonei]

See what I mean dunya? This is how hard I have to work to get people to listen to me. They never will.

On that note, if option 6 wins lynch me tomorrow. I’d be actively harmful to the town if they won’t listen to me.

I’d vote for option 1 over 6 if it mattered.

[Sloonei]

I will not vote for or support option 2.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

I get why it's a parabola, but not why Day 2 of this 30 player game must represent the tailing end of the parabola. Dilluted civilian control is problematic when it can be dictated by mafia influence.

The missing link to the argument against #6 is why we're definitely as that point of dictation right now.

However, numerous votes have been falling on #6 without regard for the dialogue and that isn't ideal. This is where it sucks to have no vision of the voting order.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Guys

CFD option #1?

[dunya]

Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

I get why it's a parabola, but not why Day 2 of this 30 player game must represent the tailing end of the parabola. Dilluted civilian control is problematic when it can be dictated by mafia influence.

The missing link to the argument against #6 is why we're definitely as that point of dictation right now.

However, numerous votes have been falling on #6 without regard for the dialogue and that isn't ideal. This is where it sucks to have no vision of the voting order.

don't text and drive boy, i need you in one piece

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], I don't recommend an off-wagon vote here.

[Kylemii]

[mention]Golden[/mention] are there negative consequences for 6 beyond the textually obvious ones?

[ColinIsCool]

If I should be voting for option 2, can someone address the fear that it will shift attention away from our most organic suspects that we may not recover

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Quin[/mention], your vote is still utter shite. Scum read.

[ColinIsCool]

@ColinIsCool, I don't recommend an off-wagon vote here.

It is so, SO tempting!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok voting 1.

Later.

[Long Con]

Yeah, the parabola thing means nothing to me. I can picture an object that curves on a grid, but I don't understand what the x and y axes represent.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I should be voting for option 2, can someone address the fear that it will shift attention away from our most organic suspects that we may not recover

The direction of attention is in the hands of the individual. If you feel that someone(s) must get attention, then say so loudly, in caps lock, with huge font.

There's no good reason a restricted focus should extend beyond Day 2. If it does, then the civilians deserve to lose for engaging in such clearly foolish behavior.

[Sloonei]

Guys

CFD option #1?

Yes !

[Epignosis]

If six is off the table, I'd rather see three than two. Two looks like an error.

[Long Con]

Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

I think it's yours too.

[Sloonei]

3 is the absolute worst!!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also Golden please don't think I have a beef with you or something I just like to be cold and blunt when Im playing mafia. You are one of my favorite players, please don't quit.

[Golden]

Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

Parabola is probably overly simplistic, but the basic idea is that the benefit increases for a while after ‘1 lynch in a day’ while there is still good enough civ ratios to reliably split but then drops off dramatically the more lynches you add in a day. If we had to lynch 28, I think in practice the chances of us winning would approach 0, because there’s a very high chance each mafia could effectively protect one of their own with careful planning.

I’ve said I’d consider supporting a two lynch day or even a three lynch day later when we know more. Right now, we’re shooting in the dark and offering to spread our civ resources thin, opening the door to more easy manipulation.

[dunya]

Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

I think it's yours too.

oooohhhh I see what you did there.

[dunya]

Guys

CFD option #1?

Yes !

i dig it. i'm on it.

[Long Con]

Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

I think it's yours too.

oooohhhh I see what you did there.

Not sure I did what you think you saw...

[Long Con]

Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

Parabola is probably overly simplistic, but the basic idea is that the benefit increases for a while after ‘1 lynch in a day’ while there is still good enough civ ratios to reliably split but then drops off dramatically the more lynches you add in a day. If we had to lynch 28, I think in practice the chances of us winning would approach 0, because there’s a very high chance each mafia could effectively protect one of their own with careful planning.

I’ve said I’d consider supporting a two lynch day or even a three lynch day later when we know more. Right now, we’re shooting in the dark and offering to spread our civ resources thin, opening the door to more easy manipulation.

What would that manipulation look like? HOW could they manipulate this more than any lynch?

[Golden]

Yeah, the parabola thing means nothing to me. I can picture an object that curves on a grid, but I don't understand what the x and y axes represent.

X = Number of lynches in a day phase
Y = Chances of more of the lynches being scum where 0 = an equal chance between 1 lynch per day up to a total of x, and x lynches.

Does that help?