Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[wolbre04]

I'll do a "why is x voting for me" post tomorrow, thought I expect to wake up to a handful of people sheeping blindly on my wagon

[Marmot]

But I haven't voted for you... yet.

[wolbre04]

But I haven't voted for you... yet.

I know you probably plan to

[Marmot]

He pretended like he didn't know you were out.

Here, he "confused" one game with another with his initial treatment of me.

I don't buy it.

What would be the scum benefit of the mistake in this game?

I've been considering Wolbre more in my mind lately. I guess I'm not opposed to flipping him.

Also, you're probably town, cause feels and stuff.

If it's a mistake, it wouldn't be done for benefit though.

[Marmot]

To respond to your case in full.

Why is Marmot Scum?

Aw crap I got a mafia rolecard.

You heard it here first folks
But anyways...

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

After browsing through his ISO, he's exhibiting behavior that I exhibit when I'm mafia. Nearly all of his posts are short. Many of them are uninspiring questions, including the following.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: WOLBRE04] aubergine

?

Just hoping you'd show. What's up?

well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

What specifically is not genuine?

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
M Plus 7
novaselinenever
Scotty

Dyslexicon
TheFloyd73

wolbre04
Quin
MacDougall
lapluie
Elohcin
Choutas

I think the green reads are generally agreeable or understandable, but can you explain Nova and Scotty at all?

What exactly is a soul read again, just gut?

The game just started.

I'm not talking about G-Man's Easter Mafia.

I am talking about Mafia.

All of it.

I see. Well, if I'm honest, I feel the same way.

Why?

I see that Elohcin gave a long explanation, in response to the last question, but I see a lot of soft pressing without any follow-through. No hardcore scumhunting, just going through the motions.

This guy is mafia.

Scum read of MP7, save for later

Were you going to do something with this?

First instinct is to ask whoever jumped Choutas wagon [including Marmot] super late, why?

eeeeeeeee

Dizzy asked me why I jumped on the wagon late. How does this make me scum?

I have a rainbow, and here's what it looks like.


ColinIsCool
novaselinenever
Scotty

Charlie Blackmon
Choutas
Elohcin
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Quin
TheFloyd73
wolbre04

Dyslexicon
lapluie
M Plus 7

Why ru voting for me if im not in your bottom 3
also the original "lapluie is scum but shes playing the same as one of her civ games" does not make any sense to me

That rainbow is from Day 1.
Also I'm not voting for you right now.
Also, I said lapluie did the opposite of what she did as town in another game, not the same. I notice this is a similar thought that you voiced in your rainbow, but it's inaccurate.

Also I may not play by the standard meta, but I do believe and strive to make useful and informed votes.

We are vastly different players, but if you are willing to vote Croutons bc "He's prolly gonna get lynched anyways so why does it matter" then this statement is put into question

I'm not sure I follow here.

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

If you are scumreading me bc you don't get the reference even after I explained it I'll sob on camera for you

I didn't scumread you at this point. I was looking for clarification on your rainbow list. Asking questions does not automatically mean I suspect you, just that I'm looking for answers.

Since Choutas was never here at the EoD, I find it less likely that someone who pushed his wagon was bussing him, because he wasn't around to talk about it.



Wolbre's vote was so early on that I don't find it to be town-supporting evidence.

Quin, Kyle, and Jay all built the wagon into a lead. I don't believe any of them bussed Choutas.

MP and I voted last second. I know my alignment, and I've stated my thoughts on MP already.

Lol you would think that, since you were one of the last people to vote him

like you never even talked about wolbre at all before then.

Did you read the rest of my post? I was talking about the people who pushed his wagon: Quin, Kyle, and Jay, not the rest of the folks voting for him.

No. It's something I'd do as a mafia member to a teammate, and it's something I do all the time as a civilian too. NAI

Looking back, wolbre did come back into the thread when Choutas had 2 votes about 2 hours before deadline. He had a chance to move his vote elsewhere before the wagon really got going and he didn't. I do think that's a favorable look for him.

If you find it unlikely he was bussed then
whyvoteme.jpeg and whyscumreadme.avi

One town looking post does not make you town and unvoteable. One scummy post does not make you mafia and an automatic lynch.

Here's my current rainbow. All tiers are ordered alphabetically.


ColinIsCool
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Elohcin
Quin
Scotty
TheFloyd73
Charlie Blackmon
Dyslexicon
lapluie
wolbre04
M Plus 7

I intentionally put everyone in a non-neutral read tier (with the exception of Floyd), with the attempt of taking a stance on every player, and treating as a GTH sort of rainbow.

How did I end up going lower after the previous quoted comments

I explained that in the next post, and also I wasn't giving yellow reads to anyone (except inactiveFloyd) in that rainbow.

Marmot and Black Man I don't like bc they seem to be pulling the idea of me as scum outta their asses. But marmot is marmot and I like him more bc he trolls and is fun with it

I don't have a strong scumread of you. Heck, I even found a good reason to believe that you aren't scum, and that's the strongest reason I have on you of either alignment.

The reason I listed you as orange in my rainbow is because of my gut. You feel different this game than in Ancient Greece. Your reaction to suspicion here is infused with incredulity that I don't recall seeing there, and I don't think the pressure being put on you is even that severe.

why am i still so low ;-;

Explained above.

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

I don't think scheming is an exaggeration from your accusation.

Also, why Floyd?

I actually like this post. God bless you young man
it backs up what i said about eloh

I like you more than Eloh, and if she flips scum I'll like you even more bc of the last comment

What I gather from this case is that you think I'm scum because of how my read of you developed. Is that a proper addendum?

[Marmot]

I'm tired now though, will read through your Eloh case tomorrow.

[Marmot]

[wolbre04]

To respond to your case in full.

Why is Marmot Scum?

Aw crap I got a mafia rolecard.

You heard it here first folks
But anyways...

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

After browsing through his ISO, he's exhibiting behavior that I exhibit when I'm mafia. Nearly all of his posts are short. Many of them are uninspiring questions, including the following.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: WOLBRE04] aubergine

?

Just hoping you'd show. What's up?

well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

What specifically is not genuine?

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
M Plus 7
novaselinenever
Scotty

Dyslexicon
TheFloyd73

wolbre04
Quin
MacDougall
lapluie
Elohcin
Choutas

I think the green reads are generally agreeable or understandable, but can you explain Nova and Scotty at all?

What exactly is a soul read again, just gut?

The game just started.

I'm not talking about G-Man's Easter Mafia.

I am talking about Mafia.

All of it.

I see. Well, if I'm honest, I feel the same way.

Why?

I see that Elohcin gave a long explanation, in response to the last question, but I see a lot of soft pressing without any follow-through. No hardcore scumhunting, just going through the motions.

This guy is mafia.

Scum read of MP7, save for later

Were you going to do something with this?

First instinct is to ask whoever jumped Choutas wagon [including Marmot] super late, why?

eeeeeeeee

Dizzy asked me why I jumped on the wagon late. How does this make me scum?

I have a rainbow, and here's what it looks like.


ColinIsCool
novaselinenever
Scotty

Charlie Blackmon
Choutas
Elohcin
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Quin
TheFloyd73
wolbre04

Dyslexicon
lapluie
M Plus 7

Why ru voting for me if im not in your bottom 3
also the original "lapluie is scum but shes playing the same as one of her civ games" does not make any sense to me

That rainbow is from Day 1.
Also I'm not voting for you right now.
Also, I said lapluie did the opposite of what she did as town in another game, not the same. I notice this is a similar thought that you voiced in your rainbow, but it's inaccurate.

Also I may not play by the standard meta, but I do believe and strive to make useful and informed votes.

We are vastly different players, but if you are willing to vote Croutons bc "He's prolly gonna get lynched anyways so why does it matter" then this statement is put into question

I'm not sure I follow here.

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

If you are scumreading me bc you don't get the reference even after I explained it I'll sob on camera for you

I didn't scumread you at this point. I was looking for clarification on your rainbow list. Asking questions does not automatically mean I suspect you, just that I'm looking for answers.

Since Choutas was never here at the EoD, I find it less likely that someone who pushed his wagon was bussing him, because he wasn't around to talk about it.



Wolbre's vote was so early on that I don't find it to be town-supporting evidence.

Quin, Kyle, and Jay all built the wagon into a lead. I don't believe any of them bussed Choutas.

MP and I voted last second. I know my alignment, and I've stated my thoughts on MP already.

Lol you would think that, since you were one of the last people to vote him

like you never even talked about wolbre at all before then.

Did you read the rest of my post? I was talking about the people who pushed his wagon: Quin, Kyle, and Jay, not the rest of the folks voting for him.

No. It's something I'd do as a mafia member to a teammate, and it's something I do all the time as a civilian too. NAI

Looking back, wolbre did come back into the thread when Choutas had 2 votes about 2 hours before deadline. He had a chance to move his vote elsewhere before the wagon really got going and he didn't. I do think that's a favorable look for him.

If you find it unlikely he was bussed then
whyvoteme.jpeg and whyscumreadme.avi

One town looking post does not make you town and unvoteable. One scummy post does not make you mafia and an automatic lynch.

Here's my current rainbow. All tiers are ordered alphabetically.


ColinIsCool
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Elohcin
Quin
Scotty
TheFloyd73
Charlie Blackmon
Dyslexicon
lapluie
wolbre04
M Plus 7

I intentionally put everyone in a non-neutral read tier (with the exception of Floyd), with the attempt of taking a stance on every player, and treating as a GTH sort of rainbow.

How did I end up going lower after the previous quoted comments

I explained that in the next post, and also I wasn't giving yellow reads to anyone (except inactiveFloyd) in that rainbow.

Marmot and Black Man I don't like bc they seem to be pulling the idea of me as scum outta their asses. But marmot is marmot and I like him more bc he trolls and is fun with it

I don't have a strong scumread of you. Heck, I even found a good reason to believe that you aren't scum, and that's the strongest reason I have on you of either alignment.

The reason I listed you as orange in my rainbow is because of my gut. You feel different this game than in Ancient Greece. Your reaction to suspicion here is infused with incredulity that I don't recall seeing there, and I don't think the pressure being put on you is even that severe.

why am i still so low ;-;

Explained above.

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

I don't think scheming is an exaggeration from your accusation.

Also, why Floyd?

I actually like this post. God bless you young man
it backs up what i said about eloh

I like you more than Eloh, and if she flips scum I'll like you even more bc of the last comment

What I gather from this case is that you think I'm scum because of how my read of you developed. Is that a proper addendum?

Largely because I fell so low with what seems like little evidence

[lapluie]

hmmMmmmMmm. ..

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Marmot[/mention]

You did say wolbre’s town moment spoke to you more loudly than his suspicious moment. How can you justify an orange rating?

[ColinIsCool]

@Marmot

You did say wolbre’s town moment spoke to you more loudly than his suspicious moment. How can you justify an orange rating?

Also interested in this answer

[Elohcin]

Is it bad that I forget what's going on in this game?

[Elohcin]

Okay, days are 48 hours and day ends tonight when means we are a little over halfway done with the day. I am a suspect. I don't remember why. I think I was suspecting wolbre. I don't remember why. I will vote there.

[Marmot]

Is it bad that I forget what's going on in this game?

For what it's worth, that's how I felt playing Assassination Classroom.

[Marmot]

@Marmot

You did say wolbre’s town moment spoke to you more loudly than his suspicious moment. How can you justify an orange rating?

At the time it was the strongest sign for either alignment that I saw from wolbre.

What shifted him to orange was his defensiveness and lack of scum-hunting and the fact that it was a GTH list. I didn't think the defensiveness was necessary, because at the time I didn't suspect him much and even backed off of it.

[Marmot]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention], also that rainbow is listed alphabetically by tier. You may be second from the bottom, but that is only because you come after the other orange folks in the alphabet.

[Marmot]

Anyone want to talk about our two leading lynch candidates and their compatibility?

Spoiler: show

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this.

how long will it be before epignosis completely becomes the mask

When the beard and mullet take over.

He shaved, remember?

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

Above are Elohcin's mentions of wolbre. She didn't mention him until today, and she did so by calling him out for making the kill (as a teammate with wolbre) because of him being somewhat new to the Syndicate. [mention]Elohcin[/mention], can you explain why you feel this way?

Spoiler: show

Here's My Reads list, I'll try to provide a small quip next to each one (just in the order i saw them)
Order of the Manboob
Wolbre04 - lord and savior
JJJ - t/t argument with MP7, me and Lilefer have a similar way of playing as t/t against each other
Charlie Black Man


Knights of the Nipple

Kyle
Lapluie - compared to a previous civ game, u look good
Colin
Quin
Nova - fine except that JJJ vote
MP7 - Argument with Jay seems t/t
Marmot/Mac - got us info that makes laplui look pretty good
Quin

Choutas
Dizzy - dont like your vote on JJJ
Scotty - always wants me dead
Choutas - Who is she

Sekiy
Elohcin
Floyd - Who is she

really exhausted tbh, ima get some sleep, cya guys later

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

I did neither

It's fun waking up to 4 votes on myself and dropping like the New Years ball in 1/3 of the rainbows here.
Should I bother trying to defend myself? I can try.

wow! Whyd you change your vote?? are you not suspicious anymore of marmot or what

I like him more than Eloh. Randomly comes in and makes it seem like I put words in her mouth when I referenced her implying I'm scum
Also she just left wth
[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Here's My GTH Reads of what we have left
ColinIsCool
Dyslexicon
Elohcin
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
lapluie
M Plus 7
Marmot (Replaced MacDougall)
novaselinenever
Quin
Scotty
TheFloyd73

I think Marmot or Eloh are better alternatives to me. Why you may ask? I'll post why in a sec

Why is Eloh Scum?

well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

I personally feel like the idea of a poll like this is generally mafia sided, because early votes cannot be taken back. Maybe it's just me though. My point is, shit happens late in the poll, why a lock vote especially if ppl may not be around for later (so they could still withhold their vote)

well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

What specifically is not genuine?

i don't have that yet. my gth read on you is civ though, based on the fact that mafia jay is more content to let a dead thread sleep, and you've done the opposite of that.

Is this canon?

It should be cuz he right

@JaggedJimmyJay do you feel like this attitude has been represented here? why or why not?

I don’t have time to play two games largely on my phone. I’m also well beyond tired of this game.

So no, I haven’t made a great effort to move this thread if that’s your question.

The game just started.

For sake of this we will run with JJJ still being town, but I would understand that he can get tired of one game and it affects another. He was frustrated a lot in ass class until a few of us tried to gamesolve and I just flat out lied my way through the whole thing, and he came out inspired - until flips. Idk if I can remotely even say this feels fake

The game just started.

I'm not talking about G-Man's Easter Mafia.

I am talking about Mafia.

All of it.

I see. Well, if I'm honest, I feel the same way.

Put this and the last one together. Should we feel comfortable then assuming you are acting "forced" or "not genuine" if the accuser and the accused are feeling similar?

Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Charlie Blackmon can keep your heart. I'll take a read or two instead.

I think you, jay, and dyslexicon seem trustworthy.

I found a colorized image of this. Make up your mind sister

Spoiler: show

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

I think realistically the implication that I'm a mafia in your mind can warrant me interpreting that as "scheming", that's what mafia does, after all. WHY do you think I killed Nova? In Ass Class I wasn't the one who picked NKs for scum and many of them looked terrible for me when they flipped town. If I got to pick who killed, or even influence it by being on the scum team, I would not pick someone that implicates me. I nearly got lynched in Ass Class before Mac helped save me by casting blame elsewhere.

In reference to Floyd, in all honesty he's probably town. Why do you think he's scum and why am I scum. This is the million dollar question for Eloh, folks. I feel like a lot of these opinions have ZERO substance to them and are just sheepie

Above are wolbre's mentions of Elohcin. Wolbre didn't talk about Elohcin until Day 2, but did list her at the very bottom of his rainbow list on Day 1. At the same time, wolbre had his vote on Choutas, which does make me think that wolbre and Elohcin are not teammates.

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] any particular reason for her being so low on your rainbow at the time?

[Tangrowth]

Okay, days are 48 hours and day ends tonight when means we are a little over halfway done with the day. I am a suspect. I don't remember why. I think I was suspecting wolbre. I don't remember why. I will vote there.

What the actual fuck is this

Like, seriously, what is supposed to be done with this? It's almost policy lynch material IMO.

[Tangrowth]

I think Elo and wolbre are potentially teammate compatible.

What strikes me as notable re: Elo's gameplay since after D1. She said she would have voted Choutas if she was here, but never elaborated upon that even though it was asked of her. Now she's voting for wolbre even though she doesn't "remember". I think she could be exhibiting TMI.

Otherwise, I lean towards a scum Elo and town wolbre.

A town Elo and scum wolbre is possible, I guess, but I'm not feeling it. If wolbre is bad, she's almost certainly bad.

[Tangrowth]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

[Marmot]

I think Elo and wolbre are potentially teammate compatible.

What strikes me as notable re: Elo's gameplay since after D1. She said she would have voted Choutas if she was here, but never elaborated upon that even though it was asked of her. Now she's voting for wolbre even though she doesn't "remember". I think she could be exhibiting TMI.

Otherwise, I lean towards a scum Elo and town wolbre.

A town Elo and scum wolbre is possible, I guess, but I'm not feeling it. If wolbre is bad, she's almost certainly bad.

Elohcin did state earlier why she suspected wolbre, because she thought he made the nightkill. So even though she forgot, she did give a reason at least.

My opinion, Elohcin is going through some mafia burnout right now, and is being openly uninvested as a result. Do I think it's alignment indicative? Yes, I do think she's a civilian as a result.

[Marmot]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

His hyperdefensiveness isn't a strategy, it's a knee-jerk reaction to what's going on around him.

[wolbre04]

Anyone want to talk about our two leading lynch candidates and their compatibility?

Spoiler: show

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this.

how long will it be before epignosis completely becomes the mask

When the beard and mullet take over.

He shaved, remember?

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

Above are Elohcin's mentions of wolbre. She didn't mention him until today, and she did so by calling him out for making the kill (as a teammate with wolbre) because of him being somewhat new to the Syndicate. @Elohcin, can you explain why you feel this way?

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Here's My Reads list, I'll try to provide a small quip next to each one (just in the order i saw them)
Order of the Manboob
Wolbre04 - lord and savior
JJJ - t/t argument with MP7, me and Lilefer have a similar way of playing as t/t against each other
Charlie Black Man


Knights of the Nipple

Kyle
Lapluie - compared to a previous civ game, u look good
Colin
Quin
Nova - fine except that JJJ vote
MP7 - Argument with Jay seems t/t
Marmot/Mac - got us info that makes laplui look pretty good
Quin

Choutas
Dizzy - dont like your vote on JJJ
Scotty - always wants me dead
Choutas - Who is she

Sekiy
Elohcin
Floyd - Who is she

really exhausted tbh, ima get some sleep, cya guys later

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

I did neither

It's fun waking up to 4 votes on myself and dropping like the New Years ball in 1/3 of the rainbows here.
Should I bother trying to defend myself? I can try.

wow! Whyd you change your vote?? are you not suspicious anymore of marmot or what

I like him more than Eloh. Randomly comes in and makes it seem like I put words in her mouth when I referenced her implying I'm scum
Also she just left wth
[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Here's My GTH Reads of what we have left
ColinIsCool
Dyslexicon
Elohcin
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
lapluie
M Plus 7
Marmot (Replaced MacDougall)
novaselinenever
Quin
Scotty
TheFloyd73

I think Marmot or Eloh are better alternatives to me. Why you may ask? I'll post why in a sec

Why is Eloh Scum?

well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

I personally feel like the idea of a poll like this is generally mafia sided, because early votes cannot be taken back. Maybe it's just me though. My point is, shit happens late in the poll, why a lock vote especially if ppl may not be around for later (so they could still withhold their vote)

well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

What specifically is not genuine?

Is this canon?

It should be cuz he right

@JaggedJimmyJay do you feel like this attitude has been represented here? why or why not?

I don’t have time to play two games largely on my phone. I’m also well beyond tired of this game.

So no, I haven’t made a great effort to move this thread if that’s your question.

The game just started.

For sake of this we will run with JJJ still being town, but I would understand that he can get tired of one game and it affects another. He was frustrated a lot in ass class until a few of us tried to gamesolve and I just flat out lied my way through the whole thing, and he came out inspired - until flips. Idk if I can remotely even say this feels fake

The game just started.

I'm not talking about G-Man's Easter Mafia.

I am talking about Mafia.

All of it.

I see. Well, if I'm honest, I feel the same way.

Put this and the last one together. Should we feel comfortable then assuming you are acting "forced" or "not genuine" if the accuser and the accused are feeling similar?

Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Charlie Blackmon can keep your heart. I'll take a read or two instead.

I think you, jay, and dyslexicon seem trustworthy.

I found a colorized image of this. Make up your mind sister

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Interesting kill choice. Any of the players I don't know new to mafia?

Sup

We are still good with 12 - 2 and we lost a vanilla. Sorry you died of diabeetus from the rabbit candy nova

I think you did this

False
Why do you have any reason to believe I've been scheming

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you were scheming. I said I think you put in the kill. And I think your teammates with Floyd.

I think realistically the implication that I'm a mafia in your mind can warrant me interpreting that as "scheming", that's what mafia does, after all. WHY do you think I killed Nova? In Ass Class I wasn't the one who picked NKs for scum and many of them looked terrible for me when they flipped town. If I got to pick who killed, or even influence it by being on the scum team, I would not pick someone that implicates me. I nearly got lynched in Ass Class before Mac helped save me by casting blame elsewhere.

In reference to Floyd, in all honesty he's probably town. Why do you think he's scum and why am I scum. This is the million dollar question for Eloh, folks. I feel like a lot of these opinions have ZERO substance to them and are just sheepie

Above are wolbre's mentions of Elohcin. Wolbre didn't talk about Elohcin until Day 2, but did list her at the very bottom of his rainbow list on Day 1. At the same time, wolbre had his vote on Choutas, which does make me think that wolbre and Elohcin are not teammates.

@wolbre04 any particular reason for her being so low on your rainbow at the time?

She's playing like she doesn't care and literally said I think I didn't like wolbre04 therefore I'm just gonna vote him because maybe I didn't like him I'd. Also just randomly calling me out and her snapping at me over the words in the mouth comment

[Tangrowth]

I think Elo and wolbre are potentially teammate compatible.

What strikes me as notable re: Elo's gameplay since after D1. She said she would have voted Choutas if she was here, but never elaborated upon that even though it was asked of her. Now she's voting for wolbre even though she doesn't "remember". I think she could be exhibiting TMI.

Otherwise, I lean towards a scum Elo and town wolbre.

A town Elo and scum wolbre is possible, I guess, but I'm not feeling it. If wolbre is bad, she's almost certainly bad.

Elohcin did state earlier why she suspected wolbre, because she thought he made the nightkill. So even though she forgot, she did give a reason at least.

My opinion, Elohcin is going through some mafia burnout right now, and is being openly uninvested as a result. Do I think it's alignment indicative? Yes, I do think she's a civilian as a result.

I do admit that my interpretation of her behavior there would mean that she's uninvested and blindly bussing teammates, which is a brazen strategy, so perhaps it's not as likely as I think it is.

Why do you think it's civilian-indicative?

[Tangrowth]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

His hyperdefensiveness isn't a strategy, it's a knee-jerk reaction to what's going on around him.

Someone might have covered this already (and if so, apologies), but what was he like in Ass Class? He was bad there, right?

[wolbre04]

Okay, days are 48 hours and day ends tonight when means we are a little over halfway done with the day. I am a suspect. I don't remember why. I think I was suspecting wolbre. I don't remember why. I will vote there.

What the actual fuck is this

Like, seriously, what is supposed to be done with this? It's almost policy lynch material IMO.

This makes me want to cry bc there's nothing I can do about this (not actually cry just be irritated)

[wolbre04]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

His hyperdefensiveness isn't a strategy, it's a knee-jerk reaction to what's going on around him.

Someone might have covered this already (and if so, apologies), but what was he like in Ass Class? He was bad there, right?

I just pretended to go full derp idiot after one actually accidental slip made several ppl think I was Town

[Tangrowth]

wolbre, your reads indicate you suspect Elo and Marmot the most; can you provide more detail on how you feel about everyone else?

[ColinIsCool]

Okay, days are 48 hours and day ends tonight when means we are a little over halfway done with the day. I am a suspect. I don't remember why. I think I was suspecting wolbre. I don't remember why. I will vote there.

What the actual fuck is this

Like, seriously, what is supposed to be done with this? It's almost policy lynch material IMO.

It definitely made a few of my hairs stand up.

[Marmot]

I think Elo and wolbre are potentially teammate compatible.

What strikes me as notable re: Elo's gameplay since after D1. She said she would have voted Choutas if she was here, but never elaborated upon that even though it was asked of her. Now she's voting for wolbre even though she doesn't "remember". I think she could be exhibiting TMI.

Otherwise, I lean towards a scum Elo and town wolbre.

A town Elo and scum wolbre is possible, I guess, but I'm not feeling it. If wolbre is bad, she's almost certainly bad.

Elohcin did state earlier why she suspected wolbre, because she thought he made the nightkill. So even though she forgot, she did give a reason at least.

My opinion, Elohcin is going through some mafia burnout right now, and is being openly uninvested as a result. Do I think it's alignment indicative? Yes, I do think she's a civilian as a result.

I do admit that my interpretation of her behavior there would mean that she's uninvested and blindly bussing teammates, which is a brazen strategy, so perhaps it's not as likely as I think it is.

Why do you think it's civilian-indicative?

Because she's being so open and hardly trying. Nothing she says looks like a forced opinion, and yes I admit, that is what I would expect out of a mafia Elohcin in this scenario.

[Tangrowth]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

His hyperdefensiveness isn't a strategy, it's a knee-jerk reaction to what's going on around him.

Someone might have covered this already (and if so, apologies), but what was he like in Ass Class? He was bad there, right?

I just pretended to go full derp idiot after one actually accidental slip made several ppl think I was Town

So you weren't under any lynch pressure at any point?

[Marmot]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

His hyperdefensiveness isn't a strategy, it's a knee-jerk reaction to what's going on around him.

Someone might have covered this already (and if so, apologies), but what was he like in Ass Class? He was bad there, right?

Maybe someone else can talk about that, because even though I survived to the end, I didn't really pay attention.

[Tangrowth]

I think Elo and wolbre are potentially teammate compatible.

What strikes me as notable re: Elo's gameplay since after D1. She said she would have voted Choutas if she was here, but never elaborated upon that even though it was asked of her. Now she's voting for wolbre even though she doesn't "remember". I think she could be exhibiting TMI.

Otherwise, I lean towards a scum Elo and town wolbre.

A town Elo and scum wolbre is possible, I guess, but I'm not feeling it. If wolbre is bad, she's almost certainly bad.

Elohcin did state earlier why she suspected wolbre, because she thought he made the nightkill. So even though she forgot, she did give a reason at least.

My opinion, Elohcin is going through some mafia burnout right now, and is being openly uninvested as a result. Do I think it's alignment indicative? Yes, I do think she's a civilian as a result.

I do admit that my interpretation of her behavior there would mean that she's uninvested and blindly bussing teammates, which is a brazen strategy, so perhaps it's not as likely as I think it is.

Why do you think it's civilian-indicative?

Because she's being so open and hardly trying. Nothing she says looks like a forced opinion, and yes I admit, that is what I would expect out of a mafia Elohcin in this scenario.

That makes sense I suppose. I thought her opinions looked forced, but maybe you're right.

[Tangrowth]

I could be won over by the wolbre line of thinking, mulling over it, but here's the thing. He already has 5 votes. I'd prefer to talk about some other folks too if we can.

[ColinIsCool]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

Why would a townie react super desperately to the small anount of pressure I and others put on him earlier? Genuine Q

[wolbre04]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

His hyperdefensiveness isn't a strategy, it's a knee-jerk reaction to what's going on around him.

Someone might have covered this already (and if so, apologies), but what was he like in Ass Class? He was bad there, right?

I just pretended to go full derp idiot after one actually accidental slip made several ppl think I was Town

So you weren't under any lynch pressure at any point?

I was early on, Mac was my teammate and said that I'm Town bc I was posting so much lol. After that I just acted super civvie and JJJ gave me a platform to look Town on. I took Vote orders, changed them slightly when I reposted, etc, to make it look better for me and teammates. After Mac blew the suspected wolbre04 concept away post d2, I was sailin smooth

[Tangrowth]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

Why would a townie react super desperately to the small anount of pressure I and others put on him earlier? Genuine Q

Townies can fear being lynched too, especially if they're a power role. I suppose it's more understandable for me because buried deep inside of me I still have the intense fear of being mislynched drilled into me from years of playing survive-to-win games. Might depend on the player and the circumstances of the game though.

[wolbre04]

wolbre, your reads indicate you suspect Elo and Marmot the most; can you provide more detail on how you feel about everyone else?

In short, there are a lot of ppl not posting much. I'll do more when I get home, but a lot of my reads of ppl rely on x person flipping town or scum

[wolbre04]

My home forum is survive to win, you don't just accept a Muslim he bc u don't get credit if your team wins. You only accept it if you don't have the time or energy to fight

[wolbre04]

My keyboard corrects mislynch to Muslim, sorry

[Tangrowth]

I'm just trying to think of this from every angle, and for some reason my gut thought he seemed town if anything during those posts, but my gut is also an idiot. I can totally see why wolbre's hyperdefensiveness is a panicked scum, for the record. I just don't want to blindly lynch him based on that perception.

[wolbre04]

A mislynch on yourself ***

[Marmot]

My home forum is survive to win, you don't just accept a Muslim he bc u don't get credit if your team wins. You only accept it if you don't have the time or energy to fight

That's how it used to be here, but that's no longer the case thankfully.

But that sure does change things.

[Tangrowth]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

Why would a townie react super desperately to the small anount of pressure I and others put on him earlier? Genuine Q

Townies can fear being lynched too, especially if they're a power role. I suppose it's more understandable for me because buried deep inside of me I still have the intense fear of being mislynched drilled into me from years of playing survive-to-win games. Might depend on the player and the circumstances of the game though.

That and I'm an incredibly anxious person in general, so vote pressure makes me super uncomfortable even when I appear otherwise relaxed and I know I'm town. I might be the minority though.

[Tangrowth]

wolbre, your reads indicate you suspect Elo and Marmot the most; can you provide more detail on how you feel about everyone else?

In short, there are a lot of ppl not posting much. I'll do more when I get home, but a lot of my reads of ppl rely on x person flipping town or scum

Thanks, looking forward to it.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

eggplant

[Tangrowth]

My home forum is survive to win, you don't just accept a Muslim he bc u don't get credit if your team wins. You only accept it if you don't have the time or energy to fight

This is important context. Can anyone corroborate this though?

[wolbre04]

That said, I'm not exactly OK with a lynch of wolbre, but I do see the merit behind why people are voting that way. The reason I feel uncomfortable with it is because I'm a bit torn between his behavior and general hyperdefensiveness being scum-compatible; they just don't make any sense as a strategy if he's scum. If anything my gut says he seems more like a super desperate townie, but I can see the other perspective as well. There are various statements he's made that I just don't understand if he's scum, is what's keeping me from being OK with the lynch. For example, I do think it's a bit strange that wolbre would admit that the lynch of Choutas was pure luck, among other things, I'm not sure why a teammate would want to make a bus vote sound like luck instead of touting it.

Why would a townie react super desperately to the small anount of pressure I and others put on him earlier? Genuine Q

In Greece I got pissed off at cbob for voting me out of the blue and I was town that game too. I only had one vote on me
Townies can fear being lynched too, especially if they're a power role. I suppose it's more understandable for me because buried deep inside of me I still have the intense fear of being mislynched drilled into me from years of playing survive-to-win games. Might depend on the player and the circumstances of the game though.

That and I'm an incredibly anxious person in general, so vote pressure makes me super uncomfortable even when I appear otherwise relaxed and I know I'm town. I might be the minority though.

[Tangrowth]

My keyboard corrects mislynch to Muslim, sorry

[wolbre04]

My home forum is survive to win, you don't just accept a Muslim he bc u don't get credit if your team wins. You only accept it if you don't have the time or energy to fight

This is important context. Can anyone corroborate this though?

Want me to link you a post?