Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Epignosis]

I can't even tell when someone has a point to make or is just summarizing something. I can't tell if it's sarcasm or what.

Sometimes it's a progression. Not every comment should be assessed in isolation.

I'm reading literal summaries of quoted posts. Why?

And yet I have to read them in order to find the places where someone has something positive or negative to say.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Random note to make about Scotty:

He entered this phase and named Quin his third suspect, which is critical in a 2-player POE scenario. Quin was the easiest lynch available, and Scotty gave some resistance to that. It's a decent look, hindered some by the fact that Scotty has found cause to vote Quin anyway.

I don't really understand why he's voting for me.

What did you expect to happen when you opened Day 5 with a slab of BBQ WIFOM?

It's a weak reason to vote in isolation, so Scotty needs to discuss that because it works against his prior deductions.

Considering the larger body of work though (you've been a WIFOMnado in this game), I was tempted to do the same thing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why?

I don't know whose analysis you're talking about.

[Quin]

Random note to make about Scotty:

He entered this phase and named Quin his third suspect, which is critical in a 2-player POE scenario. Quin was the easiest lynch available, and Scotty gave some resistance to that. It's a decent look, hindered some by the fact that Scotty has found cause to vote Quin anyway.

I don't really understand why he's voting for me.

What did you expect to happen when you opened Day 5 with a slab of BBQ WIFOM?

It's a weak reason to vote in isolation, so Scotty needs to discuss that because it works against his prior deductions.

Considering the larger body of work though (you've been a WIFOMnado in this game), I was tempted to do the same thing.

I'm talking about the same-time post.

Yeah go ahead and iso Epi and let me know what you find.

Your WIFOM game is on point, my man

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Is he voting me to force me into an Epi ISO? Is he voting me for my WIFOM? Find out next time!

Pretty sure I hadn't posted after he listed me as his #3 as an aside, so there's that too.

[Epignosis]

I voted to see the poll. I see I have tomorrow to read, and that's a Saturday, which is helpful.

[nutella]

ok quin iso. early suspicion of nova, early back and forth with jay, pretty NAI. spontaneously votes for choutas when kyle brings him up, theoretically a good look but I am absolutely not putting it past mafia quin to do that. especially after our bus-fest in FE.

i put choutas in the lead so basically i am confirmed town now

i'd have killed marmot because i'm really leaning into this wifom thing and he's getting in my way

really so much wifom everywhere. I see a quin who decided to be cocky from the start and I can see him doing that as a baddie as a way to manipulate whatever he needs to manipulate into credit for him. this applies to his votes as well as his comments on nightkills (and he's commented on most if not all of the nightkills, always wifomy)

nova has no explicit reads. he has implicit scum reads on wolbre and probably 3J.

What do you make of this?

An ideal Night 1 target. It doesn't reflect badly on anyone. So, a smart kill.

yet another comment that could go either way.

Oh and I forgot Quin ... Quin is pretty inscrutable to me and I don't like that.

I second this actually. I also don't like that he was the one to be like "no but the kill was actually clever come on guyezzz" for more or less silly reasons, but like, I think Quin would be a player that would be low key bothered if other players called his play not smart. : p Does that make sense?

hate this. literally both parts are wrong. not even a misinterpretation. wrong.

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

What is the correct interpretation, and why does this make Dyslexicon bad?

He wifomised my night kill analysis. "Because nova made no explicit reads, I think the nova kill was a smart kill which doesn't reflect badly on anybody" got turned into "no but the kill was actually clever come on guyezzz". Fuck that.

"More or less silly reasons" is just the icing on the cake.

ah yeah then there's this back and forth with dizzy in which Quin didn't really explain why he thought Dizzy's misinterpretation of his comment was suspicious, even when I asked for further clarification he acted as if it was self-explanatory


on day 2 looks like he heavily suspects marmot, which as we all know he turned around on later; just noting that as I read, obviously I'm not faulting him for changing his mind on someone as doing so is something I personally value deeply

he also keeps bringing up that he should be confirmed civ from his choutas vote and that he shouldn't have any votes or suspicion on him. nah man, if you are really town you should not be relying on something like that, you should be actually defending if people find you suspicious. instead he reacts to suddenly having the lead by self-voting and that whole weird episode happens,

The results of my test indicate that Kyle is really really good and lapluie is really really bad.

was it fishing for reactions? ok? before this he stated that he was very confident lapluie was town, but her reaction to his self-vote completely changed that.

No posts during n2, his first post after the night post is this:

Still all in on dizzy being the big bad.

No idea where this came from. Last I saw he was all in on lapluie being bad based on her reaction to his self-vote, but now he's back onto Dizzy just because of the nightkill-comment discussion which, as i said, he didn't really give a great justification for being a source of suspicion. Anyway he backs off on that soon afterward, and says he's starting over on his reads from a clean slate. I'm leaning toward that being a town look for him actually -- like me, he's constantly reassessing his reads and isn't afraid to back down and give his suspects a second chance. Then again, it could be fear of looking bad upon a mislynch.

He pulls up an orange read on Eloh and votes for her after barely mentioning her at all ever before this day phase; town reads lap and strongly town reads marmot.

Y'all should give me a four-name POE pool.

Eloh
MP
Dizzy
Epi

Whaddya think of Colin?

He is a person that exists and suspects me for some reason.

this is patently gross, but would a teammate make a post this gross? wifom yet again

At this stage I think a strategic scum team is more likely to lynch Eloh today. Lynching Marmot would bring questions about whether Eloh's been setup for a LYLO mislynch. They'd avoid that. Lynching Marmot before Eloh feels unnatural to me given the discussion around them, even as I try to stuff away my read on him.

as jay loves to say, I don't know what this is. you think eloh is bad and are voting for her, and you think marmot is town, yet you think the scum is more likely to be lynching eloh than marmot for strategic reasons? wonder where you got that scum-strategy-fixated mindset from...

Alright, Quin. We definitely have different takes on things lol. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll be catchin up for real and read through Marmot later tonight before day comes.

I'm definitely self-projecting. If I'm bad and 100 percent in control of the decisions, this is probably how I'd go about it if I were being strategic.

yes. of course. gotcha

if i die just know that i'm not mad just disappointed

so much nightkill fixation

sorry all i'd do more but suddenly sick as a sig dog who still has a mountain of work to do

if someone could link me to some stuff about colin i'd appreciate it

oh boy, he sees (even before claimgate starts) that this lynch is probably going to be between colin and marmot, and marmot is his top townread so he wants reason to look enthusiastic about lynching colin. if he's colin's teammate, he knows this is a crucial point in the game to establish a good look before colin is exposed via (non-)lynch. the thing that's really damning about this is that he has not mentioned colin even once before this post, except for an early gth good and the "he's a person" empty post. it's day 4 and until now there's nothing. now he's like oh shit better get on that colin train huh

I'm left with Epi if I stick with my "a thread leader is bad" theory.

I don't know what this is.

I maintain my civ read on Marmot.
lapluie is a civ lost so deep in a tunnel I don't have the energy to bring her back out, nor would she ever agree to come out of.

These are lynches I won't vote self-preservation for.

I'm confused by this. It comes after they had both claimed power roles, but makes no reference to that. Like, if you were saying you believed that they were both town power roles and thus wouldn't vote for them even to save yourself, that would make sense as that is the one circumstance in which a civ has reason not to vote in self-preservation (otherwise you should save yourself if you're a civ even if you townread the competition because you know your alignment for sure and there'd still be a chance to lynch a baddie; with a power role in the mix a vanilla civ should value saving the power role if they're sure of it). But you don't mention this at all; you make no reference to their claims. While we'd all been freaking out over claimgate, you just... don't really comment on it.

Colin is bad and 3J is his teammate.

k sure. what happened to this theory

nah colin is bad guys just wait

death doesn't discriminate between the sinners and the saints, it takes and it takes and it takes, but we keep on living anyway, we rise and we fall and we break and we make our mistakes, but if there's a reason I'm still alive when so many around me have died, then I'm willing to wait for it, I'm willing to wait for it

I did idunno why but I panicked

You gave me the confidense in voting Marmot though. I trusted your intuition. <3

but you won't trust mine

What do you think of nutella?

GTH good.

u kno it bro

ur tmi-ing all over the place

wHAT

fyi you look hella bad right now

what??

am I allowed to talk about why that kill makes me look good or would that be too up myself?

this comes six minutes after the night post. this was planned, no doubt about it. there's some low probability that you think of this as a civ and specifically plan how you can defend in the case that lapluie happens to be killed, but... really? this is so instant.

am I allowed to talk about why that kill makes me look good or would that be too up myself?

If you think that's the case, then talk about it.

I've already been checked as non-dentist and my teammate Colin is confirmed. It's too late to kill her to hide that. But you'll tell me I could be motivated to stop her from confirming two dentists, which I realised isn't wrong, but I really want you to ignore that bit.

and besides this doesn't even make sense as a defense. keeping lapluie alive wouldn't really hurt you because you had already been confirmed as a non-dentist, and as I pointed out in my earlier response to this discussion, there's only like 1 dentist left anyway so it hardly even contributes to poe-ing the last baddie at all. your logic is empty.



wow this got long. guess I was lying when I said I don't do multiquote posts lol (well, I definitely wouldn't have done this earlier when I was on my phone, this only happened because I'm on my computer now). anyway, my takeaway from this basically mirrors my progression on Quin throughout the game -- he looks pretty town (with the caveat of several wifomy comments) for the first half of the game/of his iso, and then in the second half he looks fishy as all hell. everything relating to colin points to bad bad bad for him, and I see the first half as his scheming efforts to stay safe, but I do feel some trepidation that he could just actually be town that's said some weird shit and has some unfortunate looks regarding colin. So, I can see both him and Scotty either way at this point, and I know that if we don't get the right one today it'll be the other one, but I know that if we get the first one wrong I'm also going to be on the chopping block so I'm really hoping to get this right and I'm leaning Quin over Scotty still.

[nutella]

Wow that took over an hour straight. I definitely didn't put that much effort into Scotty just because of time and circumstances, so I could go back and give him a little more scrutiny to be as fair as I can. Might have to take a break first though, phew

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Temporarily self-voting while I continue to weigh the cases.

[Quin]

ok quin iso. early suspicion of nova, early back and forth with jay, pretty NAI. spontaneously votes for choutas when kyle brings him up, theoretically a good look but I am absolutely not putting it past mafia quin to do that. especially after our bus-fest in FE.

i put choutas in the lead so basically i am confirmed town now

i'd have killed marmot because i'm really leaning into this wifom thing and he's getting in my way

really so much wifom everywhere. I see a quin who decided to be cocky from the start and I can see him doing that as a baddie as a way to manipulate whatever he needs to manipulate into credit for him. this applies to his votes as well as his comments on nightkills (and he's commented on most if not all of the nightkills, always wifomy)

I do not understand how A translates to B.

nova has no explicit reads. he has implicit scum reads on wolbre and probably 3J.

What do you make of this?

An ideal Night 1 target. It doesn't reflect badly on anyone. So, a smart kill.

yet another comment that could go either way.

"Either way"?

Oh and I forgot Quin ... Quin is pretty inscrutable to me and I don't like that.

I second this actually. I also don't like that he was the one to be like "no but the kill was actually clever come on guyezzz" for more or less silly reasons, but like, I think Quin would be a player that would be low key bothered if other players called his play not smart. : p Does that make sense?

hate this. literally both parts are wrong. not even a misinterpretation. wrong.

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

What is the correct interpretation, and why does this make Dyslexicon bad?

He wifomised my night kill analysis. "Because nova made no explicit reads, I think the nova kill was a smart kill which doesn't reflect badly on anybody" got turned into "no but the kill was actually clever come on guyezzz". Fuck that.

"More or less silly reasons" is just the icing on the cake.

ah yeah then there's this back and forth with dizzy in which Quin didn't really explain why he thought Dizzy's misinterpretation of his comment was suspicious, even when I asked for further clarification he acted as if it was self-explanatory

It is literally staring you in the face. It's not misinterpretation, it's misrepresentation.

on day 2 looks like he heavily suspects marmot, which as we all know he turned around on later; just noting that as I read, obviously I'm not faulting him for changing his mind on someone as doing so is something I personally value deeply

he also keeps bringing up that he should be confirmed civ from his choutas vote and that he shouldn't have any votes or suspicion on him. nah man, if you are really town you should not be relying on something like that, you should be actually defending if people find you suspicious. instead he reacts to suddenly having the lead by self-voting and that whole weird episode happens,

The results of my test indicate that Kyle is really really good and lapluie is really really bad.

was it fishing for reactions? ok? before this he stated that he was very confident lapluie was town, but her reaction to his self-vote completely changed that.

You don't fault me for changing my mind on Marmot, but it appears you fault me for changing my mind on lapluie. Ok.

No posts during n2, his first post after the night post is this:

Still all in on dizzy being the big bad.

No idea where this came from. Last I saw he was all in on lapluie being bad based on her reaction to his self-vote, but now he's back onto Dizzy just because of the nightkill-comment discussion which, as i said, he didn't really give a great justification for being a source of suspicion. Anyway he backs off on that soon afterward, and says he's starting over on his reads from a clean slate. I'm leaning toward that being a town look for him actually -- like me, he's constantly reassessing his reads and isn't afraid to back down and give his suspects a second chance. Then again, it could be fear of looking bad upon a mislynch.

He pulls up an orange read on Eloh and votes for her after barely mentioning her at all ever before this day phase; town reads lap and strongly town reads marmot.

Y'all should give me a four-name POE pool.

Eloh
MP
Dizzy
Epi

Whaddya think of Colin?

He is a person that exists and suspects me for some reason.

this is patently gross, but would a teammate make a post this gross? wifom yet again

At this stage I think a strategic scum team is more likely to lynch Eloh today. Lynching Marmot would bring questions about whether Eloh's been setup for a LYLO mislynch. They'd avoid that. Lynching Marmot before Eloh feels unnatural to me given the discussion around them, even as I try to stuff away my read on him.

as jay loves to say, I don't know what this is. you think eloh is bad and are voting for her, and you think marmot is town, yet you think the scum is more likely to be lynching eloh than marmot for strategic reasons? wonder where you got that scum-strategy-fixated mindset from...

Happened post-lynch. Strikeout. Next..

Alright, Quin. We definitely have different takes on things lol. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll be catchin up for real and read through Marmot later tonight before day comes.

I'm definitely self-projecting. If I'm bad and 100 percent in control of the decisions, this is probably how I'd go about it if I were being strategic.

yes. of course. gotcha

if i die just know that i'm not mad just disappointed

so much nightkill fixation

sorry all i'd do more but suddenly sick as a sig dog who still has a mountain of work to do

if someone could link me to some stuff about colin i'd appreciate it

oh boy, he sees (even before claimgate starts) that this lynch is probably going to be between colin and marmot, and marmot is his top townread so he wants reason to look enthusiastic about lynching colin. if he's colin's teammate, he knows this is a crucial point in the game to establish a good look before colin is exposed via (non-)lynch. the thing that's really damning about this is that he has not mentioned colin even once before this post, except for an early gth good and the "he's a person" empty post. it's day 4 and until now there's nothing. now he's like oh shit better get on that colin train huh

I asked because 3J asked me how I felt about Colin and I didn't know.

I'm left with Epi if I stick with my "a thread leader is bad" theory.

I don't know what this is.

I maintain my civ read on Marmot.
lapluie is a civ lost so deep in a tunnel I don't have the energy to bring her back out, nor would she ever agree to come out of.

These are lynches I won't vote self-preservation for.

I'm confused by this. It comes after they had both claimed power roles, but makes no reference to that. Like, if you were saying you believed that they were both town power roles and thus wouldn't vote for them even to save yourself, that would make sense as that is the one circumstance in which a civ has reason not to vote in self-preservation (otherwise you should save yourself if you're a civ even if you townread the competition because you know your alignment for sure and there'd still be a chance to lynch a baddie; with a power role in the mix a vanilla civ should value saving the power role if they're sure of it). But you don't mention this at all; you make no reference to their claims. While we'd all been freaking out over claimgate, you just... don't really comment on it.

Colin is bad and 3J is his teammate.

k sure. what happened to this theory

nah colin is bad guys just wait

death doesn't discriminate between the sinners and the saints, it takes and it takes and it takes, but we keep on living anyway, we rise and we fall and we break and we make our mistakes, but if there's a reason I'm still alive when so many around me have died, then I'm willing to wait for it, I'm willing to wait for it

I did idunno why but I panicked

You gave me the confidense in voting Marmot though. I trusted your intuition. <3

but you won't trust mine

What do you think of nutella?

GTH good.

u kno it bro

ur tmi-ing all over the place

wHAT

fyi you look hella bad right now

what??

am I allowed to talk about why that kill makes me look good or would that be too up myself?

this comes six minutes after the night post. this was planned, no doubt about it. there's some low probability that you think of this as a civ and specifically plan how you can defend in the case that lapluie happens to be killed, but... really? this is so instant.

No planning. Just this.

am I allowed to talk about why that kill makes me look good or would that be too up myself?

If you think that's the case, then talk about it.

I've already been checked as non-dentist and my teammate Colin is confirmed. It's too late to kill her to hide that. But you'll tell me I could be motivated to stop her from confirming two dentists, which I realised isn't wrong, but I really want you to ignore that bit.

and besides this doesn't even make sense as a defense. keeping lapluie alive wouldn't really hurt you because you had already been confirmed as a non-dentist, and as I pointed out in my earlier response to this discussion, there's only like 1 dentist left anyway so it hardly even contributes to poe-ing the last baddie at all. your logic is empty.



wow this got long. guess I was lying when I said I don't do multiquote posts lol (well, I definitely wouldn't have done this earlier when I was on my phone, this only happened because I'm on my computer now). anyway, my takeaway from this basically mirrors my progression on Quin throughout the game -- he looks pretty town (with the caveat of several wifomy comments) for the first half of the game/of his iso, and then in the second half he looks fishy as all hell. everything relating to colin points to bad bad bad for him, and I see the first half as his scheming efforts to stay safe, but I do feel some trepidation that he could just actually be town that's said some weird shit and has some unfortunate looks regarding colin. So, I can see both him and Scotty either way at this point, and I know that if we don't get the right one today it'll be the other one, but I know that if we get the first one wrong I'm also going to be on the chopping block so I'm really hoping to get this right and I'm leaning Quin over Scotty still.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Quin[/mention], why would Dizzy misrepresent you if they're good?

[Quin]

Quin, why would Dizzy misrepresent you if they're good?

PAST TENSE AND I NO LONGER THINK SO

I DONT KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS WITHOUT HAVING AN ACTUAL SEIZURE AT MY DESK JIMMY

[Quin]

i did some breathing exercises and some cocaine so im okay now

[nutella]

Scotty opens with a vote on Choutas for no reason

I had fun once and it was awful

The problem is if you have too much fun, when you want to get involved with something serious, no one takes you seriously.

In theory.

In reality, I just get too serious too fast and no one takes me seriously anyway.

2 fast 2 serious

And is acting all goofy right out of the gate. I feel weirdly similar about this as I did regarding Quin in that he could be a baddie who decides early on to act cocky/spontaneous in order to appear carefree.

I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Plus goofy rabbit questions. Could be teammate banter/gaining some ground on establishing distance via pressure on Choutas.

I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

Are you looking to stir things up? Because “he’s right into the role” ain’t stirring shit

Whatever right into the role means

And this, which for some reason Jay thinks is a solid town look -- I actually disagree. If I'm Choutas' teammate and he posts something weird like that I call it the fuck out.

He changes his vote onto Floyd just as a prod I guess, then calls out lapluie for doing the same thing. Not sure what to make of that, it's kinda awko taco.

He's very anti- the Jay train on d1, which could be tmi but could easily not be.

Scotty, Floyd can be and is likely to be replaced though. How about someone else?

We don’t know that. In any case, I like where my vote is regardless.

If there were another option, I’d say Elo or choutus

k

I missed EoD but I ain’t mad choutas got the axe.

As long as y’all got off JJJ

Awko taco (this is my new favorite phrase can you tell)

Catching up:

ThNks jjj for doing the interactive analysis. As I suspected, choutas doesn’t have too many interactions with anyone. But there’s still stuff to look at with voting.

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

This definitely struck me as odd and I’m glad Marmot brought it up. I think that a player could make that mistake in either alignment, but I think even moreso in a situation where a mafioso is moving around names on their spectrum list to make sure they cover all their bases. Matter of fact, j would make sure I didn’t miss my teammates. I think missing teammates would look more damning than not, and double teammates, albeit careless, is a slightly better mistake.

In wolbre’s case, I see definite possibility of teammate collusion there.

this, especially the bolded part, is absolutely disgusting. worst look so far imo. it's just kind of a neutral-leaning-unproductive comment on how to proceed from the choutas flip, and doesn't go anywhere helpful with it.

Wolbre and Jay teammates

Agreed. Marmot's teammates identified.

I can’t get this quote from marmot’s entrance out of my head. I strongly feel like jjj is town this game, so I don’t think Marmot called out his scummates here. But I currently suspect wolbre and wouldn’t be surprised if Marmot threw in one of his teammates in this too. Marmot votes choutas end of day, wolbre voted early before vhoutas even had votes. Coming in from different angles to form an isosceles triangle. I can see it

Pushing a marmot is bad theory. could be genuine, could be an attempt to steer the direction of the thread.

Lallaala talking with myself

I haven’t event touched on dys yet. Or Colin. Or Quin. Golly gee

First mention of colin! Nothing salad lightly tossed with void vinaigrette. Nasty

I’m Shirt on time but nova’s kill is odd to say the least. Looks like he didn’t have many strong accusations except maybe wolbre. Can’t really link the kill to anyone

It might be too easy but I’m gonna start with a vote for [VOTE: wolbre] aubergine

But am also up for either marmot or MP.

I don’t wanna limit it to just them tho. I don’t wanna feel like I’ve been bamboozled by seemingly town looking players- that’s trouvle. But I currently have no reason to suspect jjj. Lol that’ll probably come in day 4 when he’s stil pumpkins water on the cistern and hasn’t been NK’d

Will check back later in the day

this post gives me some funky feelings in several directions. the comment on the nova kill, the wolbre vote, the weird comment on Jay that leaves the door open for possible later reversal? not the best.

then he jumps in on some isos and actual analysis -- these are a good look for him and I believe are why I townread him so strongly before. He gives a lot of original thoughts in his longer posts and looks genuinely game-solvey. However, I don't like that he isos Colin, Eloh, and Wolbre all in a row and leans bad on all of them. As I said earlier he maintains suspicion of Colin while managing to keep other suspects just enough ahead of him for the next couple days.

I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.

I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.

I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.

And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

You’re a spider. I have my one cyclops eye on you

He had talked about wolbre quite a bit earlier on in the day, so I don't find it strange at all.

But even towards the end there, he was leaving himself open to voting all other major wagons. Makes me feel like his hands were in multiple honey jars and the honey jars were spilling over, if Colin is bad then I can see one of his bad reads here being a teammate. Like, if the Elo one had taken off for real (and she were bad) he could go “oh...well I said I thought wolbre or Quin or marmot was bad so ima vote there”

This is the post I quoted earlier that I found hypocritical -- Scotty really had his hands in several honey jars on day 2 as well, and I think he was keeping Colin in his back pocket for the later credit while actually voting to lynch the other easy candidates. And as Dizzy pointed out he ties Eloh and Colin together but wants to lynch Eloh first.

I’d rsther do a Colin lynch today, but Mp is very convincing.
It’s not even what he’s saying, it’s how he’s saying it

Gross. He's going hard after Colin right before this, but then wants to jump off a bridge with MP (and me) on the Jay tinfoil, just because MP sounds confident and not for any justifiable reason. Especially considering how strongly he believed Jay was town earlier, this is not a good look.


Pausing here just to say that I'm surprised at how many negative things I'm finding this time around. Putting on the Scotty-could-totally-be-Colin's-teammate-colored glasses makes a huge difference and I'm interpreting everything in that light now -- of course there's some confirmation bias but I really am having trouble unseeing it now -- which is weird considering how strongly I townread him at the time. And I think that's because I agreed with a lot of his perspectives in real time and found his various suspicions reasonable, but with the knowledge of Colin I have now it looks a lot different. I'm feeling like switching off Quin to him now, but lemme finish this first. Going back and forth on these two is even more stressful now than the Marmot-Colin decision.

Continuing.

I see a very strong scenario where town MP is tunneling hard on town JJJ, and an almost equally strong scenario where town MP can cure cancer. It’s been a long time since I can remember JJJ being bad, so I have forgotten what quirks give him away, if any.

MP asserts that he probably wouldn’t have sniffed out a low poster like choutas and voted so easily for him, and Jjj assets that he wouldn’t have bussed a teammate on day 1. Can’t speak to that, but I’d bet that someone bussed choutas, if not both teammates. Marmot still looks like the scummiest vote for me, since he didn’t talk about choutas prior. I thought wolbre was scum because he left his vote parked on choutas all day without expectation that it would grow, and I was wrong as shit there, so maybe I’m wrong about the early choutas voters in general.

This doesn't really go anywhere, just reads like keeping his avenues open.

He joins jay in voting for marmot while suspecting everyone else and their mom, and then I'm not gonna quote cause it's long but after a few posts on how bad Eloh is and how bad Eloh and Colin are in association with each other, he posts a long analysis of MP and shortly after that a similar one on Quin. Like, dude I know I have reads-ADD but make up your mind, not all these people can be bad.

Oh wait, he has that realization:

All of Colin, Marmot, Mp and Quin can’t be bad, so this is slightly frustrating.

I think we should just lynch colin tomorrow and run from there. @nutella @M Plus 7

K.

I feel like ima die guys

Nah it’s prolly me but thanks for playing

why are quin and scotty so similar in this regard lol

anyway then early on day 4 he has several posts which lean more toward the townie side of the meter for me -- some interactions with Epi and some talk of his suspicion on colin (with an early vote).

another thing that really brings me back to leaning town on him is his catch-up during day 4. before he gets to the claims he sounds genuinely confused about what he must have missed, and when he finally gets to it his reactions look organic af. if he's colin's teammate there's still a fair chance that he missed the whole thing even in their btsc/had no input in colin's claim, and perhaps he didn't even check their btsc until he caught up with the thread? but he could just be town genuinely reacting to the shit going down. aaaaaa?? I'm so fucking torn on him. idk, then despite colin having been his top suspect for the last 3 days he really gets into finding reasons marmot could be the liar (his vote ending on marmot). on the one hand it feels like a fairly natural progression, and compared with Quin he does a much better job considering the flip side of the preconceived notion he came in with, but on the other hand it looks kind of weird that he chickens out of voting for colin a third day in a row, but on the other hand if he's colin's teammate he knows he'll survive and might as well get the cred, but on the other hand if he's bad he'd want to take the opportunity to get the doctor lynched if he can make it look like a genuine mistake in all that confusion..... fuck man I've got too many hands now.




k i'm stopping there for now because this is so exhausting and I'm getting mental whiplash from this goddamn game. I honestly cannot decide between quin and scotty and that speaks to their skill as players. No matter which possible world we end up in at this point I will be in absolute awe at how inscrutable they have both managed to be.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would like to file a complaint with HR that you all look bad. Please consider being more town in the future.

Regards,

JJJ

[nutella]

ok I really need to get away from the screen for a while, hopefully when I come back quin or scotty will have admitted to being bad

[Epignosis]

I can't do this.

If you are going to bother with quoting every single post a person has made, leave out the ones that don't mean anything. Just don't comment on them. Please. Comment on things that you believe are meaningful.

These long posts with nothing more than "He said this about her" is driving me crazy. I cannot get involved because any relevant thing someone might have to say is buried under a bunch of "Uh-huh. Yep. This is what she done did."

Please.

[nutella]

I can't do this.

If you are going to bother with quoting every single post a person has made, leave out the ones that don't mean anything. Just don't comment on them. Please. Comment on things that you believe are meaningful.

These long posts with nothing more than "He said this about her" is driving me crazy. I cannot get involved because any relevant thing someone might have to say is buried under a bunch of "Uh-huh. Yep. This is what she done did."

Please.

I'm sorry dude I feel absolutely 100% the same way when I read some other people's ISOs but I tried really hard to only quote the handful things I felt were worth pointing out and otherwise just described for long stretches of the iso. Plus I mostly did that for my own benefit/for the process itself so don't feel compelled to read it all (but of course do what you can to make the most informed decision)

[Quin]

ok I really need to get away from the screen for a while, hopefully when I come back quin or scotty will have admitted to being bad

you first

[Dyslexicon]

I can't do this.

If you are going to bother with quoting every single post a person has made, leave out the ones that don't mean anything. Just don't comment on them. Please. Comment on things that you believe are meaningful.

These long posts with nothing more than "He said this about her" is driving me crazy. I cannot get involved because any relevant thing someone might have to say is buried under a bunch of "Uh-huh. Yep. This is what she done did."

Please.

[Dyslexicon]

I read through Quin's ISO.

I'm still at:

Scotty
Quin
Nut

[Dyslexicon]

Quin is hard to get a read on. Basically a lot of attitude and saying things with confidence. I can't relate : p

[Dyslexicon]

I may not be around a lot towards day end, but will keep an eye on the thread.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention], if you could convince me that nutella should be the third name, that would be huge. I am really having a hard time making that happen for any of the three. I slept on it and am not feeling any more secure. I feel like a clear mafia framework can be devised to describe all three of them for their play in this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hell, that applies to anyone. If you are secure in the belief that one of these three -- Quin, nutella, or Scotty -- is a civilian, then please help me to arrive at the same conclusion.

[mention]Marmot[/mention], this may be your last day with us. Let's get those perspectives.

[Scotty]

Hi all

I’m not lurking or purposefully not responding, I’m just busy as shit, and don’t know if I will have the proper time to get back and read back what j missed or what was asked.

Where I’m at: quin’s WIFOM at start of phase pushed him over for me and so I’m good where I am

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Where I’m at: quin’s WIFOM at start of phase pushed him over for me and so I’m good where I am

Why was that sufficient to push Quin from third to first on your list?

[Epignosis]

First, I want to apologize for the crotchety crankiness from yesterday.

Spoiler: show

I was absolutely exhausted, having broken up a fight, keeping boys from smoking in our bathroom, and preventing a potential pregnancy (also in our bathroom- don't ask). The heat and humidity have not helped.

We lost at home to the Dodgers of all teams, 11-8.

Second, from all I've seen, the last person I want kicked off the team is Scotty. I'm starting there and making my way around the other bases.

Again, sorry for losing it last night.

[Epignosis]

Where do you see any WIFOM?

By wifom i mean speculation. Stuff easily said but impossible to verify or discredit. Maybe thats not its true use.

Ah ok. I get you.

I recommend looking for more softball interactions early on.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

[VOTE: choutas] aubergine

Eyyyyyyyy boi

Nova looks AOK to me, woodchuck chuckers. At least he’s asking question(s)!

Here’s a question: who else here has owned a rabbit before?

Nova looks AOK to me, woodchuck chuckers. At least he’s asking question(s)!

Here’s a question: who else here has owned a rabbit before?

If he looks good, how come he has 2 votes?

How come you voted for him?

Hey Colin, be a pal and tell me whether you were addressing Quin or Scotty here.

Oh:

How come you voted for him?

I mean we're literally still on the first page

oh shit never mind

How come you voted for him?

I mean we're literally still on the first page

What a scumslip.

Softball interaction.

Cool, Cool cool cool.

Is there any follow-up? What did you get from asking that question?

Wouldn't you like to know?

I would very much. I want to know where your head is that.

Quin and nova feels like a genuine argument, but I am waiting for the day that two scum start the game by immediately teeing off on each other as literally their first contribution to the thread.

I have no idea how anybody can reasonably call Quin's end of the above exchange a "genuine argument."

[Dyslexicon]

Jimmey, I don’t think I can convince you of anything beyond what I’ve already said. I do agree it’s not easy still. I just think it’s Scotty, I get the feeling he’s trying to protect himself. Both Quin and Nut seems a bit more forward coming and high strung in combination, and that reads town to me. That’s where I’m at. But I wouldn’t be mad i I’m down-voted. Sorry if this wasn’t helpful. It’s meant to be. : p

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Charlie, can you briefly describe what makes you feel good about Scotty?

[ColinIsCool]

First, I want to apologize for the crotchety crankiness from yesterday.

Spoiler: show

I was absolutely exhausted, having broken up a fight, keeping boys from smoking in our bathroom, and preventing a potential pregnancy (also in our bathroom- don't ask). The heat and humidity have not helped.

We lost at home to the Dodgers of all teams, 11-8.

Second, from all I've seen, the last person I want kicked off the team is Scotty. I'm starting there and making my way around the other bases.

Again, sorry for losing it last night.

When I was a senior in high school the 6th graders started an underground fight club in a particular boy’s bathroom and every day would sprint out of the cafeteria after their lunch to go in there and wail on each other for no reason that anybody could discern. Every day. I never joined in.

[Epignosis]

Charlie, can you briefly describe what makes you feel good about Scotty?

There's nothing specific. It's just the overall impression I got after reading nineteen "ISOs" about him. I feel like I've read his life story narrated by people who sensationalize things a little too much (Hi Dizzy).

I think he looks genuine is all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hope my name tastes good on account of how often it comes outta yr mouths Scotty and lap

This one really bugs me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think nutella's review of Scotty looks authentic. The harshness of her analysis is speaking to me in that if she wants to pretend she is waffling her ass off in a game-deciding scenario, I'd expect weaker, more careful stances in such a review -- particularly with her readiness to slaughter Quin.

I'm feeling a Quin and Scotty POE pool.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

I think nutella's review of Scotty looks authentic. The harshness of her analysis is speaking to me in that if she wants to pretend she is waffling her ass off in a game-deciding scenario, I'd expect weaker, more careful stances in such a review -- particularly with her readiness to slaughter Quin.

I'm feeling a Quin and Scotty POE pool.

We iz on same page.

[ColinIsCool]

Four hours to go and I see so many good cases. I wonder where my vote should go.

[Quin]

Dunno if I can be here for some last-ditch effort. Too out of it. So here's a guide to not fucking up LYLO should you choose to lynch me today.

1. Your PoE is nutella, Scotty and 3J. Dizzy is not on the table. Epi is not on the table. 3J has no reason to be removed from this pool and has enough activity to scare people off from reading them.
2. Don't let any vote Colin puts down give you second thoughts. No matter what.
3. I don't have anything else to say I just wanted a third thing.

[Quin]

I strongly think it's nutella. Seems that's not happening.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[Quin]

Whichever person you choose, they must have a 2 vote lead. If Colin jumps in with a last second vote to tie things up, this entire day is wasted.

[Quin]

I'll point this out as well, even though I ultimately think it's not worth it.

If we tie it up today, we enter Day 6 with 7 alive. We maintain our current lynch situation with one less to consider in the wider PoE. It's nice at face value but they're not going to kill within the 3-person PoE (except for the WIFOM potential) and probably lose a confirmed civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I honestly cannot decide between quin and scotty and that speaks to their skill as players. No matter which possible world we end up in at this point I will be in absolute awe at how inscrutable they have both managed to be.

You've identified numerous points for each of them which you've judged as highly suspicious in some way or another. What is it about their play that makes them so inscrutable as to inspire awe?

[nutella]

I honestly cannot decide between quin and scotty and that speaks to their skill as players. No matter which possible world we end up in at this point I will be in absolute awe at how inscrutable they have both managed to be.

You've identified numerous points for each of them which you've judged as highly suspicious in some way or another. What is it about their play that makes them so inscrutable as to inspire awe?

That they've both come across with roughly the same balance of bad looks and good looks, and since it's this hard to decide between them then obviously whichever one is bad has done a pretty good job not looking obviously more bad than the other.

I'm happy to lynch Quin today and see what we get if more of us are leaning toward him over Scotty, but yeah let's make sure we get that good good vote margin.

[Marmot]

The more Quin doesn't post, the more I'm like, ok maybe it's just Quin. I'm reading his ISO next. I need to take breaks though. I'm truly spending too much time on mafia today.

I find myself wanting to select Scotty over nutella for the backup slot, but she has been as quiet as Quin today (and as confident as he was on Day 4 ), so I'm just like

No she wasn't, she flopped back and forth while Quin held firm.

[Marmot]

Well I should say, people on The Syndicate don't kill me. Whenever I go anywhere else I tend to get roasted on Night 1 or 2. There's some kind of cultural quirk at work.

Remember that game on Naruto Forums where you were vigged Day 1 for trying to solve the game?

[Marmot]

When it comes to establishing Day 1 distance, I don't think the appearance tends to be quite this severe -- at least not when a lynch wagon isn't already being formed. I designate this moment

I don't think it's very severe at all. There's also no follow up. Just a cop out vote on Floyd and saying that if he were to vote elsewhere, but he won't, it would be either Eloh or choutas. Not hot at all to me.

Dys, no offense but regardless of my alignment, I would do that on D1. We just haven’t played a game together, but it’s my quid pro quo. Noshow-ers > posters

Truth.

[Marmot]

Even if it is Quin, I feel better about the civilian play in this game if we don't allow ourselves to fart around and then lynch him. A backup plan is critical. Besides, I think he is subject to similar time constraints as nutella (with an Australian time zone to boot), so I remain patient.

Who's accusing who of farting around?

[Marmot]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] why are you self-voting?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I honestly cannot decide between quin and scotty and that speaks to their skill as players. No matter which possible world we end up in at this point I will be in absolute awe at how inscrutable they have both managed to be.

You've identified numerous points for each of them which you've judged as highly suspicious in some way or another. What is it about their play that makes them so inscrutable as to inspire awe?

That they've both come across with roughly the same balance of bad looks and good looks, and since it's this hard to decide between them then obviously whichever one is bad has done a pretty good job not looking obviously more bad than the other.

I'm happy to lynch Quin today and see what we get if more of us are leaning toward him over Scotty, but yeah let's make sure we get that good good vote margin.

This doesn't really come out in the ISOs you provided. I see a lot of negative and considerably less positive.