No one is dead when they vanish... they can always potentially pop back up.
But in sig's case, I think him popping back up is part of the event in which he vanished. I dare say he.... travelled through time.
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I agree, it's pretty hard to avoid.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:52 pm I see what golden is seeing in lunalee, if sig was mafia then luna makes sense as a teammate
I don't agree with her meta defense, if she were teammates with sig then she would still have to respond to the sig quin inh thing in some way, it was the main topic of conversation for a big chunk of time. avoiding discussing it completely would be weird.
im also realizing i skipped reading like 6 or 7 pages of content at some point whoops
Consider the underlined.Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:48 amHi Golden. This is an excellent review of my posts. For some reason I completely forgot what was going on with sig when I hoped back in here and saw he was being lynched. My bad. I should have read my own posts it seems. Despite that misunderstanding, I want to clarify that if sig and I were mafia teammates in this game, I would have distanced myself from this whole Quin-sig-INH drama. And I would not have so openly posted my opinions on the matter. My scum-strategy when suspicion is being thrown on a teammate is to quietly step away.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:03 am A brief Luna/sig interactive iso. Luna has a total of 19 posts before Quin dropped his bombshell, including:
These quotes account for my 'gut feel' of luna being a teammate of sig. They have a 'team banter' vibe to them.Spoiler: show
After Quin's bombshell, Luna's next two posts are:
That's a very strange backtrack.Spoiler: show
And then we get this progression:
I think potentially the worst look in here is 'I feel like we can do better than this' when we've been presented with a potential 50/50 shot. What's the size of the team - 3 or 4? So you'd have no more than a 25% shot the rest of the time...Spoiler: show
Then:
and
It's worth noting that last post is AFTER sig triggered the event but before it took place.
Looking through Luna's iso as a whole, I tend to find that she is team compatible with sig, and that's where my vote is going for now.
[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine
You see that?Hi Golden. This is an excellent review of my posts. For some reason I completely forgot what was going on with sig when I hoped back in here and saw he was being lynched. My bad. I should have read my own posts it seems. Despite that misunderstanding, I want to clarify that if sig and I were mafia teammates in this game, I would have distanced myself from this whole Quin-sig-INH drama. And I would not have so openly posted my opinions on the matter. My scum-strategy when suspicion is being thrown on a teammate is to quietly step away.
if it makes you feel any better you've given me a lot to think about in regards to trusting or not trusting TH.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:49 pm Fine. You all win, I'll do what you want. Against my own feelings on this. [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine
You have someone who has claimed openly to not be civ aligned, and you want to believe them and possibly allow them the space to do what they want. We'll see how this goes. I hope you all are right.
It was even in the sign-up topic
So what's the point of claiming doctor then, unless it's a cover-up?
A cover up for that?
Someone holding a gun to your head, spacedaisy? blink twice if you need help.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:49 pm Fine. You all win, I'll do what you want. Against my own feelings on this. [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine
You have someone who has claimed openly to not be civ aligned, and you want to believe them and possibly allow them the space to do what they want. We'll see how this goes. I hope you all are right.
A cover-up for a more sinister role.
And "doctor" was the best anybody could do?
I don't know, you claimed doctor too, right? Why?
I would get rid of TH if I ever come to a point in time where I believe keeping him is not to our advantage. But I tend to think that it's only worth getting rid of an indy if I have reason to believe their win con isn't consistent with town win-cons, because many independents who can choose to work with the town do choose to.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?
The question I'm mulling over is whether a role exists that can control what comes up.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:14 pm The only surprise in his early campaign is that his own claimed destination then came up. I looked back after my first post and saw Night Elections are in the set up.
I'm not persuaded that Luna is a table-flipping kind of person, and I also don't see anything which suggests pre-knowledge that sig is bad (as opposed to just presuming it, which is sort of necessary to respond to my case), but do you see something in particular that I'm missing?Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:01 pmGolden's entire analysis is predicated on sig being bad. In everything I've seen from Lunalee, it's as though she takes for granted that sig was bad, and she knew it. Because if someone wants to have a go at me for my interactions with someone who has an unknown alignment, I'll flip tables. I see no table flipping.
But please, discuss the other section (or this one) if you will.
I didn't assume sig was bad. And I still have no idea, since he's vanished. But given his role, (reseting the day lynch), it sort of makes him look town.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:23 pmI'm not persuaded that Luna is a table-flipping kind of person, and I also don't see anything which suggests pre-knowledge that sig is bad (as opposed to just presuming it, which is sort of necessary to respond to my case), but do you see something in particular that I'm missing?Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:01 pmGolden's entire analysis is predicated on sig being bad. In everything I've seen from Lunalee, it's as though she takes for granted that sig was bad, and she knew it. Because if someone wants to have a go at me for my interactions with someone who has an unknown alignment, I'll flip tables. I see no table flipping.
But please, discuss the other section (or this one) if you will.
Yeah nahGolden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:47 pmShe is worried that TH is going to get some badass ability by surviving until tomorrow that will cause a big threat to us.
Yeah I just can’t see it. You don’t out yourself as Indy when you could just as easily wait it out.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:31 pmYeah nahGolden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:47 pmShe is worried that TH is going to get some badass ability by surviving until tomorrow that will cause a big threat to us.
Because it's fun and makes people think.
No you aren't and no you didn't because that is a bullshit statement and you know it. I am civ.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:36 pm Spacedaisy I'm a cop and I got a red peek on you last night. Thanks for playing.
watMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:36 pm Spacedaisy I'm a cop and I got a red peek on you last night. Thanks for playing.
I will never understand the "lynch all independents" mindset.
I don't think so. But you can have a meta after numerous civ games.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:59 pmI agree, it's pretty hard to avoid.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:52 pm I see what golden is seeing in lunalee, if sig was mafia then luna makes sense as a teammate
I don't agree with her meta defense, if she were teammates with sig then she would still have to respond to the sig quin inh thing in some way, it was the main topic of conversation for a big chunk of time. avoiding discussing it completely would be weird.
im also realizing i skipped reading like 6 or 7 pages of content at some point whoops
But she could have avoided sig's election.
The real questions are:
1) Is this similar to her last baddie game?
2) Can you have a meta after one baddie game?
Yes. In the host post.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:01 pmConsider the underlined.Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:48 amHi Golden. This is an excellent review of my posts. For some reason I completely forgot what was going on with sig when I hoped back in here and saw he was being lynched. My bad. I should have read my own posts it seems. Despite that misunderstanding, I want to clarify that if sig and I were mafia teammates in this game, I would have distanced myself from this whole Quin-sig-INH drama. And I would not have so openly posted my opinions on the matter. My scum-strategy when suspicion is being thrown on a teammate is to quietly step away.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:03 am A brief Luna/sig interactive iso. Luna has a total of 19 posts before Quin dropped his bombshell, including:
These quotes account for my 'gut feel' of luna being a teammate of sig. They have a 'team banter' vibe to them.Spoiler: show
After Quin's bombshell, Luna's next two posts are:
That's a very strange backtrack.Spoiler: show
And then we get this progression:
I think potentially the worst look in here is 'I feel like we can do better than this' when we've been presented with a potential 50/50 shot. What's the size of the team - 3 or 4? So you'd have no more than a 25% shot the rest of the time...Spoiler: show
Then:
and
It's worth noting that last post is AFTER sig triggered the event but before it took place.
Looking through Luna's iso as a whole, I tend to find that she is team compatible with sig, and that's where my vote is going for now.
[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine
I want us all to think on this.
Because if I'm bad in this one, I wouldn't care how much or how little I interacted with my teammates, because in this one everything's made up and the flips don't matter. The mafia have it easy in how they interact with one another, and here, Lunalee has defended herself as though flipping is a thing. What she would do in a typical scenario shouldn't apply here, but she went on defending herself as though this is a typical setup.
I want opinions on that.
On the other hand, squint a minute:
You see that?Hi Golden. This is an excellent review of my posts. For some reason I completely forgot what was going on with sig when I hoped back in here and saw he was being lynched. My bad. I should have read my own posts it seems. Despite that misunderstanding, I want to clarify that if sig and I were mafia teammates in this game, I would have distanced myself from this whole Quin-sig-INH drama. And I would not have so openly posted my opinions on the matter. My scum-strategy when suspicion is being thrown on a teammate is to quietly step away.
No you don't. Look harder.
Golden's entire analysis is predicated on sig being bad. In everything I've seen from Lunalee, it's as though she takes for granted that sig was bad, and she knew it. Because if someone wants to have a go at me for my interactions with someone who has an unknown alignment, I'll flip tables. I see no table flipping.
But please, discuss the other section (or this one) if you will.
Not necessarily. I want alternatives to the current theory. If there exists any evidence whatsoever in Lunalee's favor, that should be brought forth.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:23 pmI'm not persuaded that Luna is a table-flipping kind of person, and I also don't see anything which suggests pre-knowledge that sig is bad (as opposed to just presuming it, which is sort of necessary to respond to my case), but do you see something in particular that I'm missing?Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:01 pmGolden's entire analysis is predicated on sig being bad. In everything I've seen from Lunalee, it's as though she takes for granted that sig was bad, and she knew it. Because if someone wants to have a go at me for my interactions with someone who has an unknown alignment, I'll flip tables. I see no table flipping.
But please, discuss the other section (or this one) if you will.
Lying about what?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:46 pm Mac's lying. The question is whether he is lying as a baddie or lying as a civ. People like MP and SVS have lied as civs about red peeks before to get someone lynched they strongly believed were bad. SVS did it successfully, MP did is unsucessfully. I am unsure which I believe about Mac here. Because it boils down to the fact he is lying.
Sorry I am confused?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:41 pmNo you aren't and no you didn't because that is a bullshit statement and you know it. I am civ.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:36 pm Spacedaisy I'm a cop and I got a red peek on you last night. Thanks for playing.
Why are you taking what was such a flippant comment and obvious joke so seriously? Thou doth protest too much.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:53 pm Here's the thing Mac, if you are civ, you just took both yourself and me out of the game with that fake claim. Way to go, two civs down in one short BS post. I recommend you own up to the fact that was a fake red peek claim.
I could probably give you a list of 10 bullshit reasons but I'll sum it up to say that lying about a role-claim isn't necessarily a scum indicator.
This isn't really anything like what actually happened so why even say it?
Meh. sig is American. Americans elect the president (well, not really). I don't struggle to connect the dots there.
Everything that you have done in this game is pingy and suspicious to me except the part where you revealed that sig and INH are unaligned. I am starting to think that you intentionally revealed that information knowing that sig could bail if he had to and intend to ride that gravy train home.