Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[Turnip Head]

Either Golden and Daisy are both bad or they are both good. I tend to think they are both good. I hope Scotty is now convinced he can trust me.

I wouldn't bother trying to convince Scotty of anything tbh, he vibrates at an alternative frequency

[Spacedaisy]

lmao I must be out of it because I didn't even notice I said Golden and Daisy, I meant Golden and Scotty.

[MacDougall]

Yes I believe there is a sex cave or something they are referring to as a sex cave.

Fuck you how dare you call my baby creepy.

I changed my mind you're bad.

It's only creepy since its in a hat!

linki: you forgot sig, Golden.

It's not a hat. It's a mat.

[MacDougall]

Either Golden and Daisy are both bad or they are both good. I tend to think they are both good. I hope Scotty is now convinced he can trust me.

?

[MacDougall]

Sprityo is bad because he called me an asshole discuss

[nutella]

Also there's something super creepy about a baby in a hat I'm not going to look at mac for the rest of the game.

Shut your mouth, his baby is the most adorable thing on the planet (or maybe tied with Golden's baby)!

Golden's kid has legit the cutest face I have ever seen.

[Golden]

Also there's something super creepy about a baby in a hat I'm not going to look at mac for the rest of the game.

Shut your mouth, his baby is the most adorable thing on the planet (or maybe tied with Golden's baby)!

Golden's kid has legit the cutest face I have ever seen.

And doesn’t he just know it when he’s in trouble.

[Turnip Head]

i mean obviously it would include tentacle porn right? it's not weird to assert that, it's the ocean. it's basically the default.

Kyle let's be honest, the sex cave has dried up. My biliogical clock is ticking here. I'm already supposed to be dead and we have not procreated a son to go back in time and save the universe and honestly what is a Squidward doing in a time travel game anyways, and it is really even Christmas? What year is it? How old am I? Why am I still alive?

Kyle we should be asking the big picture questions here. Imean maybe I'm still alive for a reason.maybe [mention]Golden[/mention] kept me alive for some inexplicable reason. Maybe I'm still alive so I can affect the future when in reality I have no business still being a part of this timeline

Or maybe I'm just tripping idk

#mafia

[ColinIsCool]

Sig, I think it’d be really helpful if you ISO’d Luna and gave us concrete reasons for why you think she’s good. I thought both of you were bad at the time of voting for her and defending her fake peek as soon as you get back is not a great look for you.

Still kinda think we should lynch Turbup Head, btw

[ColinIsCool]

I’m gonna try to do a rainbow list with mini-reads this phase. It will involve ISOing. Tomorrow will be rough but I’m gonna try.

[Epignosis]

hat babies are creepy I rest my case.

[sig]

Did a quick reread of luna, I can see why ya lynched and yes in general lying about being cop is a bad thing and more likely to be done by mafia.

[Turnip Head]

Did a quick reread of luna, I can see why ya lynched and yes in general lying about being cop is a bad thing and more likely to be done by mafia.

Such a flippy fopper

[sprityo]

Sprityo is bad because he called me an asshole discuss

I was simply quoting you from earlier mac

[Scotty]

This game is breaking my brain. I’m curious if Scotty has changed his mind about me yet.

Changed from what?

I trust golden and he trusts you. A=C except after D

[Scotty]

lmao I must be out of it because I didn't even notice I said Golden and Daisy, I meant Golden and Scotty.

I was like...does Daisy have an earwig writing for her or is MP writing from your handle? Lol

[Scotty]

Since I'm being held hostage by this game I might as well try to make myself useful

I need a bone to fetch

Is that a reference to your role? Are you Clifford the big red dog?

[speedchuck]

Since I'm being held hostage by this game I might as well try to make myself useful

I need a bone to fetch

Is that a reference to your role? Are you Clifford the big red dog?

Was there a time travel episode of that show? Please tell me there was a time-travel episode.

[Scotty]

All right, who just gave me something?

[ColinIsCool]

Dig on Sig:

Sig looked bad up until he used his role power; I won't go back into arguing my points against him and voting for him. This dig will be examining his behavior since his return.

Second, my power let me leave at any point in the game and go visit my bros over in dead chat. Big shout out to Nutella, Luna, and Zeph for keeping me company.

NOW i'm very unhappy with town for 2 reasons.
1. Lynching Luna big nono
2. Tunneling in on me after I left

Actually 3
3. Making me use my shot a day or two early. WHY WHY DOES IT MATTER? you might ask and I'll tell you.

I wanted to wait until at least midway through day 3 so I'd have 5-6 people to chat with, preferably day 4 so I'd have 7-8. Also day 3 is when the dead chat starts to get to vote and affect the game, so I was curious as to what that would be like. I also couldn't wait until lylo since being vanished wouldn't be good for town number wise.

Why did I mess around? Since I was bored and there are enough high speed people around, plus I was testing reactions and what not.

Not to mention I don't want anyone to have to good a meta read so I had to shake it up a bit.

But now I'm here I'll play semi serious.

Sig's explanation of his role's true utility is important here. If he is scum, rather than delaying a lynch, his role would be to gummy up the works behind-the-scenes like Sloonei in U-Pick. Since we're operating under the theory that an indie (Turnip Head) has BTSC with someone he's unaffiliated with (Kyle) that's not an unthinkable scum power in this game. Keep that in mind.

My only other comment is that I'm wondering how sig knows that Day 3 is when the vanished players start playing a bigger role. My first thought was that he may have some knowledge we don't through being scum, but it's also possible that speed conveys this info to players who are vanished when it happens so they stick around.

Also all this would've been avoided if Quin was honest and didn't claim to get a message. I still stand by what I said that we wouldnt be able to trust a message in a closed role madness where the police are hutning us. Fake mess anger is such a mafia power.

Knowing that quin was truthful it means we should lynch INH since he isn't a civ.

Perplexed by the logic of this post — "Quin lied and I died," but since Quin wasn't lying, go after the other guy? There are two perspectives on Quin here that seem mutually exclusive, except as long as they help sig.

Also like I said winning the election gave me the ability to send someone else back, so I assume it's a twist on an already existing power.

you think it's a twist on your power?

Yeah like, it has something to do with your power, but a strange twist .

So I could send myself forward, the twist was that I can now send someone else forward.

linki: Um no they weren't very helpful.

Epignosis, can you comment on this?

Overall, I didn't like what I saw of sig and I continue to have questions now that he's back. Mechanically, there's no reason he can't be a scum who had time to cook up an alibi. If Luna is scum, it would make sense that he would try to defend her as he did when he first got back. I'll rest my final verdict for now since I think we need more discussion of his return, but I'm still uneasy.

[ColinIsCool]

Dig on Scotty:

Scotty has claimed doctor. Golden has claimed to have a relation to Scotty's role, but I'm not sure that it's alignment-indicative (in that they need have the same alignment) and for that matter I'm not sure that Golden is town, so who cares. I will be seeing if Scotty looks more like a scum doctor than a town doctor.

Zephyrus and Quin, who do you think we should lynch?

lapluie. If I'm going to be lynched on the grounds that I'm not contributing, let's not pretend I'm the only one.
[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

I can only conclude from this that you have no suspects.

But really, how can anyone have suspects on day 1?

RIGHT?? Day 1’s are like those big bridges- no one knows how to build them, but we cross em regardless

However this question warrants no reasonable answer and so I must take you down a few notches on my watch loop

I'll admit right now that my perception is a little muddled by having just played with him as scum — I do believe Scotty is good enough to cover his tracks, but I think there are some tendencies that are just hard to shake. If we are to assume Luna is scum, this post reaaaaaally reminds me of the sort of things we did early on in Easter: light distancing for appearance's sake.

Spoiler: show

I can only conclude from this that you have no suspects.

Yeah. I'm never any good on day one.
I guess it's time to work on that, though.

What do you base your D1 votes on?

Well, I normally do an initial lynch on people to get them talking, and then I'll vote for the person who seems scummiest or whose lynch will yield the most information.

Yeah I don't suspect zephyrus but if y'all wanna bite Epi's bait I'm watching

Why don't you suspect him? Wasn't that a weird ass post? I posted the same thing as scum last game and everybody called my bullshit.
He's suss as sin.

I've explained that I was busy with exams. All I did was make a post hyping up the thread and showing that I'm alive. It's hardly suss as sin.
And, if you're talking about me voting lapluie, read above.

Wow could you at least @ me if ur gonna lynch me zyph thx

Sorry.

I normally do an initial lynch on people to get them talking
I lol’d. Good one, even though I’m sure this isn’t a joke.

Do you feel like your lynch of lapluie is getting him talking? Right now it appears that you ordered Haricots Verts with the expectation of cake and when the green beans show up you just nod and continue patiently waiting on your cake.

I just thought I'd give them a little more time. Chill.
@lapluie, who do you think is scummy? Answer quick, because I'm getting into loads of trouble.

I’m chilling, I have a fan blowing on my feet

Also what does it mean to vote for someone on D1 that will yield the most information? That’s a catch-all reasoning, because lynching anyone yields the most information. We have no information.

I don’t believe that you actually care about what lapluie has to say. By your own admission, you have no suspects.

Might want to at least look at some more people, ZMan (can I call you ZMan?)

If Zephyrus is scum, then this is not the kind of post I would expect teammate Scotty to make on D1. In Easter our arguments looked legitimate, but they weren't about exposing each other's faulty reasoning or as forceful as this.

Fuck it.

[VOTE: luna] aubergine

I don't recall the context of this and can't easily grasp it from the ISO. Scotty, what was this?

Remember me, Marty! See you in a bit!

So I was really confused when Golden had his total reversal on Scotty and had to go back and see why it happened. After this, Golden says something along the lines of "Scotty said the magic words." These are what I'm assuming are the magic words, spoken by Doc Brown from Back to the Future. Doc Brown = Doctor. So that is a strong, strong boon to Golden's story, and if Golden knows that Doc Brown would be town, a boon if you believe Golden.

There is a nagging problem with it: speed warned us from Day 0 to not care, at all, about flavor. I think he specifically said something along the lines of "don't try to make Biff Tannen bad" or something — so likewise, good characters can be bad people. Important to keep that in mind, for anybody who flavor claims.

I didn't like Scotty early on and felt he was possibly throwing out a lot of suspicions for the heck of it, but I see a lot less of that the further I get into his ISO and I see consistent logic in his points; I was a little befuddled by how he was intent Daisy was scum, but the reversal made sense to me as I read it. I feel pretty good about Scotty at this point.

[ColinIsCool]

Dig on Turnip Head:

This is a hard one to do because we have to weigh the notion that Turnip Head is exactly who he says he is — an indie with a low threshold wincon — with the possibility that he is craftily lying and pulling a fast one on us. In a game with no flips and less info than usual, I'm opening myself u p to every possibility. I remain convinced that Turnip is lying about some of the things he's told us — it just doesn't make sense at all given what I know about my role — but I wonder if there's a case to be made that he's scum and is BSing in that sense.

@Lunalee would you like to be president sometime? And do you think you might campaign a tad less obnoxiously than sig has?

I'm looking for a new horse to back. I've got a lot riding on who's in charge round these parts, you see. Both today AND tomorrow AND yesterday

I wonder why Turnip did this. Was Luna his pick to win? Why would he not try to support the person he picked, if that's his win condition? According to Turnip he was one night away from winning, so he picked sig, but what does he have to gain from this post? No sense.

Aside from that Turnip is unreadable and, with the exception of Kyle's expert testimony (which I hope to get into soon), I see no reason to take him at his word ... ever. In any game. Ever.

[ColinIsCool]

Nutella dig preamble:

"Why dig on nutella?" you ask. "She was vanished at night, so we can safely assume she is town, right?"

I thought this too, until I recalled Daisy's post about a gambit Turnip pulled once where he attempted to target himself to clear him from being scum. Occam's Razor suggests to me that there probably wasn't a night in this game already where a vig had a kill go through and the mafia team didn't — it's possible, if those things are in here, but not that likely. What I'm getting at is, in a game with no flips and the promise of having "dead" players influence the game from beyond the grave, do you see the advantage in having someone on the other side, so to speak? If you don't, you're not thinking.

So I will do a dig on nutella.

honestly i have no fuckin idea how cool the rest of the town's roles are comparatively but mine seems pretty damn cool so let me live a few days k

For those of you not playing Courage, speed called this "magic bagging:" when you tell people not to lynch you because of how useful your role is, or something along those lines. He argued in that game that it's a a scumtell and my experience in other places tells me that's valid. It plants the seed that A. nutella is town B. nutella is SUPER town, because of her role, so don't even bother suspecting her. It's also, generally, just a weird thing to say when you have a role you're actually excited about — when I have a role I really like, I don't go and advertise it precisely because I want to get to use it. Ya dig?

Nutella's other noteworthy contributions for this purpose are her interactions with Zephyrus, if we assume Zephyrus is scum.

Yeah I don't suspect zephyrus but if y'all wanna bite Epi's bait I'm watching

This could be light D1 distancing. Not really a defense but not really a care in the world, right?

Nutella tells Epi at one point that his suspicion of Zeph is valid, but also goes on the offense against Daisy who is applying similar pressure leading to a Daisy vote. I'm not sure totally what to think there; it's both her being amenable to the arguments against Zeph and a dismissal against the lynch (evidenced elsewhere in the ISO). GTH, teammate compatible, but I have to check out Zephyrus to see if that even holds up.

I really dislike nutella's magic bagging. Of course, Occam's Razor again, it's entirely possible that nutella was nightkilled by scum because that's what happens in these games, so it's possible she just made a bad move as a civ.

[Spacedaisy]

The nice thing about Alex making cookies last night, is that now I can have a cookie after lunch and dinner.

So am I seeing that sig is the one who vanished Qun? Is sig unvanishing Quin as well then? Because he said that Quin wasn't lying about the message, right after he said that he did.

[Scotty]

I don’t know what’s going on.

[mention]sig[/mention] if you talked to the deadies as you claim, did anyone that we consider town have anything useful to say?

After all, Nutella requested a rezz, so she must have said something to you to pass on

[Scotty]

Am I right in assuming vanished people then just go to some limbo to talk chop and play bridge? Is that what sig is saying?

[sig]

The nice thing about Alex making cookies last night, is that now I can have a cookie after lunch and dinner.

So am I seeing that sig is the one who vanished Qun? Is sig unvanishing Quin as well then? Because he said that Quin wasn't lying about the message, right after he said that he did.

Nah I didn't vanish Quin that was mafia.
Which is why I'm assuming Quin wasn't lying plus didnt he say himself he made up the message part?

[sig]

I don’t know what’s going on.

@sig if you talked to the deadies as you claim, did anyone that we consider town have anything useful to say?

After all, Nutella requested a rezz, so she must have said something to you to pass on

no

Nutella came in once and said she had no real reads and no idea why she was killed

Zeph never came in when I was there

Luna popped in and we chatted, but didnt trade any information.

[ColinIsCool]

Epignosis dig:

I have pretty much been townreading Epignosis in this game. I used to not do that because his playstyle seemed anti-town at times to me, but I've seen that's not the case. So the fact that I feel good about him maybe should suggest that I shouldn't feel good about him ... maybe ...

Let's do some time stuff!

Invited people to do stuff.

Has done nothing.

[VOTE: Zephyrus] aubergine

I've spoken earlier with my issue on how this was characterized so I won't elaborate. A lot of people must have agreed with him, because Zeph got lynched, but it still doesn't sit quite right with me.

I'm the doctor.

Now what.

This is interesting because Epignosis has apparently backed off from this claim. The question for a town Epignosis to do this is: why? Doesn't that risk drawing the attention of the real doctor to point to him as scum in 99% of set-ups? (Again, this isn't 99% of set-ups, buuut...) Is it just Epignosis being irreverent? That's certainly possible, but sorta risky. He said he was trying to attract a nightkill, but the question is: why do that? If you have a power that's activated via that mechanism, you generally don't want to say that out loud in the thread.

How many times do I have to say that I NEVER PROTECT TEAMMATES. Literally never because it is the stupidest thing to do.

Go read Economics, where I bussed my entire team early and rode it to the end. That's how you win as scum. Not protecting someone who had just been outed as having a 50% chance of being bad.

*Looks at Epignosis' win record*

*Counts how many times Epignosis threw teammates under the bus*

Note this. If we assume Zephyrus is scum, Epignosis is either making an ironic "counter" or is not scum with Zephyrus.

This is some sloppy shit from sig. That's all I've got to say.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

I really liked Epi's arguments against sig, rooted in not coming out swinging against INH, as I read this back — so much so that I'm regretting not thinking about that more as I dug on sig. But I don't see why Epignosis makes this vote switch, even if he thinks they both are bad, which one minute before making this post, he said was the case, on the grounds solely of INH not being there. Idgi.

I would lynch either lapluie or INH. I stand by my Zeph thing and lapluie is tied to that. INH needs to work on his script. Also, I don't think he's a civilian. He called himself "not a threat to the civilians" and no amount of shit he can throw at me in his script means that's the same thing as addressing the civilians in the third person. He called himself "not a threat to the civilians."

I can't remember a single thing lap has done at this point in the game. Could certainly be low-hanging fruit, but I don't know if Epignosis is the type of scum player to do that sort of thing. I would think he'd like a better challenge.

Do we really think there are three town-aligned doctors in this game?

nah

This bothers me too. Wasn't it MacDougal, Scotty, and Epi? One of them may get my vote today.

It looks like Epignosis walked back his claim as trying to attract a night kill

I officially suspect Lunalee for that post. "One of them may get my vote today" is a way of leaving her options open without specifying a preference for any one of us.

Same as the post for Zeph above.

On the whole I feel slightly worse about Epignosis than I did going into this. I don't get the doctor thing at all or any of the stuff surrounding it, and that coupled with my feelings on the initial Zephyrus push give me more pause than I want with him.

[ColinIsCool]

The nice thing about Alex making cookies last night, is that now I can have a cookie after lunch and dinner.

So am I seeing that sig is the one who vanished Qun? Is sig unvanishing Quin as well then? Because he said that Quin wasn't lying about the message, right after he said that he did.

Nah I didn't vanish Quin that was mafia.
Which is why I'm assuming Quin wasn't lying plus didnt he say himself he made up the message part?

I'm going to preface my Quin dig by saying I agree with this. Even if we include being vanished by your own team as a possibility, if Quin is going to do a gambit targeted at any two players in the game, why sig and INH (no offense to them)? Why not a pair that loom over the thread more? I just don't see it right now.

[ColinIsCool]

Would really like an answer from you though sig re: my points above.

[Scotty]

Hmm. I buy that story, sig.

I do not however think Luna looks any more town for claiming cop right before her cremation.

[ColinIsCool]

Lunalee dig:

Let's do some time stuff!

Invited people to do stuff.

Has done nothing.

[VOTE: Zephyrus] aubergine

Who objects?

IDK, That sounds exactly like something I would do. Gung-ho townie is ready to get down to business, starts combing the thread, finds nothing to go on, and just hangs back for a bit to see what's going to happen.

If we assume one of Luna and Zeph are scum, this post suggests to me that the other is not. Maybe it's my playstyle affecting my reads, but you will probably never see me defend a teammate on D1. It's just not gonna happen.

The contradictions of Lunalee re: sig have been brought up, so no reason to go over them again. I don't think a contradiction is always a scumtell, as townies make more mistakes than anyone, but it does feel odd reading again.

Then there is the cop thing. That is scummy. Unquestionably bad. If Lunalee is actually town, I have to wonder what her motivation was for doing that. Since sig spoke to her a little, maybe he can elucidate. My read on Luna — and my read on everything in the game moving forward — partially depends on that.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine
Because I have no reason to read her as town.

[ColinIsCool]

Lapluie dig:

Lap has 33 posts. In typical fashion, they tend to be brief and leave almost nothing to be gleamed, so those expecting a big case here will be sorely mistaken.

Spoiler: show

What do you base your D1 votes on?

Well, I normally do an initial lynch on people to get them talking, and then I'll vote for the person who seems scummiest or whose lynch will yield the most information.

Why don't you suspect him? Wasn't that a weird ass post? I posted the same thing as scum last game and everybody called my bullshit.
He's suss as sin.

I've explained that I was busy with exams. All I did was make a post hyping up the thread and showing that I'm alive. It's hardly suss as sin.
And, if you're talking about me voting lapluie, read above.

Wow could you at least @ me if ur gonna lynch me zyph thx

Sorry.

I normally do an initial lynch on people to get them talking
I lol’d. Good one, even though I’m sure this isn’t a joke.

Do you feel like your lynch of lapluie is getting him talking? Right now it appears that you ordered Haricots Verts with the expectation of cake and when the green beans show up you just nod and continue patiently waiting on your cake.

I just thought I'd give them a little more time. Chill.
@lapluie, who do you think is scummy? Answer quick, because I'm getting into loads of trouble.

I’m chilling, I have a fan blowing on my feet

Also what does it mean to vote for someone on D1 that will yield the most information? That’s a catch-all reasoning, because lynching anyone yields the most information. We have no information.

I don’t believe that you actually care about what lapluie has to say. By your own admission, you have no suspects.

Might want to at least look at some more people, ZMan (can I call you ZMan?)

I'm going to [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine, just because he seems too eager to back Zephyrus into a corner over his Lapluie vote.

This was lunas last recent post, I don't really like it, didn't contribute to much other than facts about why Scotty is digging at zeph, was it that much of an obvious case for her that one is convinced Scotty is bad? Idunno I have a bad feeling

I think this post looks a lot like distancing, tbh, if Lunalee is scum. Something about the language here — the hedging — really feels off in retrospect.

@lapluie Can you give me your opinion on the following people:

TurnipHead
Kylemii
ColinisCool
Choutas
Lunalee
insertnamehere

Is there anything that you've seen that stands out to you?

Reading their post histories starting with turnip & downwards
~I feel like his posts aren't game related just a bunch of jibberjabber about random topics that have no contributions to the game whatsoever, pretty monotonous read. (If I'm wrong pls correct me sorry if I've offended you turnip).
~has put in thought & opinions, good read from kyle to be honest, he seems genuine. Have no bad feeling about him.
~he's fun to play mafia with when he's drunk & sober, mostly drunk. good guy... sometimes... still vague to read it's either good or bad. His posts give me the same opinion like last game, idk if it's a good or bad thing help.
~churro boi!! He's too quiet, pls post more & give more thought, I think he's capable of doing more but he seems reserved, his posts indicate some WiFi trouble & request a replacement so idunno, neutral!!
~good stuff, but some reason I feel like she's hiding something or is too worried to say but overall , neutral
~that long as heck weird font essay convinced me he's town..
that is all ... thanks

Notice that these are all pretty much neutral or non-reads until we get to INH. Not the most active group of players to pick for sure, but still, that many neutrals? That's weird to me, as if there's a fear of taking defined stances until the rest of the thread can test these people some more.

This is not a real vote but I always default for Choutas to see who voted who sorry

And the fake vote stayed, iirc. Lap doesn't weigh her tepid suspicions of Luna toward her lynch, begging a question, unless she was just busy.

I want to see more from lap so that I can possibly have reason to think, should Luna be scum, she's very teammate compatible with her. Until then, she's in that category.

[ColinIsCool]

OK. That's half of everybody. I'm kind of tired so I'm stopping for now, but my gym is closed tonight so I'm hoping I'll be able to finish the rest in a bit. If not, I'll try to get to them tomorrow but that'll be dicey.

Based on what I've ISO'd now (roughly best to worst):

ColinIsCool
Scotty
(nutella)
Epignosis
lapluie
sig
Turnip Head
(Lunalee)

[Turnip Head]

Dig on Turnip Head:

@Lunalee would you like to be president sometime? And do you think you might campaign a tad less obnoxiously than sig has?

I'm looking for a new horse to back. I've got a lot riding on who's in charge round these parts, you see. Both today AND tomorrow AND yesterday

I wonder why Turnip did this. Was Luna his pick to win? Why would he not try to support the person he picked, if that's his win condition? According to Turnip he was one night away from winning, so he picked sig, but what does he have to gain from this post? No sense.

I think there's some dots you're not connecting here. My wincon is to predict the elections and I've approached multiple people - not just Luna - to try and coordinate their presidential run. I'm 1 for 2 so far and I only lost last night because my candidate was a kiwi

[ColinIsCool]

Dig on Turnip Head:

@Lunalee would you like to be president sometime? And do you think you might campaign a tad less obnoxiously than sig has?

I'm looking for a new horse to back. I've got a lot riding on who's in charge round these parts, you see. Both today AND tomorrow AND yesterday

I wonder why Turnip did this. Was Luna his pick to win? Why would he not try to support the person he picked, if that's his win condition? According to Turnip he was one night away from winning, so he picked sig, but what does he have to gain from this post? No sense.

I think there's some dots you're not connecting here. My wincon is to predict the elections and I've approached multiple people - not just Luna - to try and coordinate their presidential run. I'm 1 for 2 so far and I only lost last night because my candidate was a kiwi

OK, so you predicted sig N1 — why would you look for "a new horse to back" that night?

[sig]

Dig on Sig:

Sig looked bad up until he used his role power; I won't go back into arguing my points against him and voting for him. This dig will be examining his behavior since his return.

Second, my power let me leave at any point in the game and go visit my bros over in dead chat. Big shout out to Nutella, Luna, and Zeph for keeping me company.

NOW i'm very unhappy with town for 2 reasons.
1. Lynching Luna big nono
2. Tunneling in on me after I left

Actually 3
3. Making me use my shot a day or two early. WHY WHY DOES IT MATTER? you might ask and I'll tell you.

I wanted to wait until at least midway through day 3 so I'd have 5-6 people to chat with, preferably day 4 so I'd have 7-8. Also day 3 is when the dead chat starts to get to vote and affect the game, so I was curious as to what that would be like. I also couldn't wait until lylo since being vanished wouldn't be good for town number wise.

Why did I mess around? Since I was bored and there are enough high speed people around, plus I was testing reactions and what not.

Not to mention I don't want anyone to have to good a meta read so I had to shake it up a bit.

But now I'm here I'll play semi serious.

Sig's explanation of his role's true utility is important here. If he is scum, rather than delaying a lynch, his role would be to gummy up the works behind-the-scenes like Sloonei in U-Pick. Since we're operating under the theory that an indie (Turnip Head) has BTSC with someone he's unaffiliated with (Kyle) that's not an unthinkable scum power in this game. Keep that in mind.

My only other comment is that I'm wondering how sig knows that Day 3 is when the vanished players start playing a bigger role. My first thought was that he may have some knowledge we don't through being scum, but it's also possible that speed conveys this info to players who are vanished when it happens so they stick around.

I know since Speed said so in dead chat, but I believe he also said in sign ups that the dead could influence the game? He also said there's a chance for them to be resurrected.

Also all this would've been avoided if Quin was honest and didn't claim to get a message. I still stand by what I said that we wouldnt be able to trust a message in a closed role madness where the police are hutning us. Fake mess anger is such a mafia power.

Knowing that quin was truthful it means we should lynch INH since he isn't a civ.

Perplexed by the logic of this post — "Quin lied and I died," but since Quin wasn't lying, go after the other guy? There are two perspectives on Quin here that seem mutually exclusive, except as long as they help sig.

So Quin lied about the messenger, my main issue was always that we shouldn't trust a message. Now that we know it was Quin, since he said it, I think we should lynch INH since there's no way he's civ.

Also like I said winning the election gave me the ability to send someone else back, so I assume it's a twist on an already existing power.

you think it's a twist on your power?

Yeah like, it has something to do with your power, but a strange twist .

So I could send myself forward, the twist was that I can now send someone else forward.

linki: Um no they weren't very helpful.

Epignosis, can you comment on this?

Overall, I didn't like what I saw of sig and I continue to have questions now that he's back. Mechanically, there's no reason he can't be a scum who had time to cook up an alibi. If Luna is scum, it would make sense that he would try to defend her as he did when he first got back. I'll rest my final verdict for now since I think we need more discussion of his return, but I'm still uneasy.

[sig]

So I wouldn't mind getting elected again if you wanna predict me again TH.

[ColinIsCool]

Ahhhh okay sig I don't know why I didn't understand that at first. Thanks.

[Turnip Head]

Dig on Turnip Head:

@Lunalee would you like to be president sometime? And do you think you might campaign a tad less obnoxiously than sig has?

I'm looking for a new horse to back. I've got a lot riding on who's in charge round these parts, you see. Both today AND tomorrow AND yesterday

I wonder why Turnip did this. Was Luna his pick to win? Why would he not try to support the person he picked, if that's his win condition? According to Turnip he was one night away from winning, so he picked sig, but what does he have to gain from this post? No sense.

I think there's some dots you're not connecting here. My wincon is to predict the elections and I've approached multiple people - not just Luna - to try and coordinate their presidential run. I'm 1 for 2 so far and I only lost last night because my candidate was a kiwi

OK, so you predicted sig N1 — why would you look for "a new horse to back" that night?

I don't understand your confusion on this issue.

[Golden]

Yo, colin... I think scotty knows from the nature of his role that I must be town the same way I know from the nature of mine that he must be. We’re a pair, yknow? Like PB and J.

[ColinIsCool]

My interpretation:

1) You claim you [predict sig N1.] (A)
2) If (A), you want sig to win N1.
3) On N1, you actively look to get people other than sig elected that night.

I will go back and look to make sure that 3 is the case, but do you see that 2 and 3 seem incompatible?

[Turnip Head]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] I'm not exactly keen on the timing but I'm pretty sure sig was winning by a landslide already and I moved quickly to plan my follow up campaign. I think it's called forward thinking or something idk I'm a vegetable I'm also just here to have fun and die young

[Scotty]

Yo, colin... I think scotty knows from the nature of his role that I must be town the same way I know from the nature of mine that he must be. We’re a pair, yknow? Like PB and J.

I’m peanut intolerant

[ColinIsCool]

Yo, colin... I think scotty knows from the nature of his role that I must be town the same way I know from the nature of mine that he must be. We’re a pair, yknow? Like PB and J.

I can see that. I can also easily see where alignment mix-ups can happen per the way things have been described.

[Turnip Head]

Looking for presidential hopefuls yet again

[Scotty]

Yo, colin... I think scotty knows from the nature of his role that I must be town the same way I know from the nature of mine that he must be. We’re a pair, yknow? Like PB and J.

I can see that. I can also easily see where alignment mix-ups can happen per the way things have been described.

I trust that speed wouldn’t make a role that allows my role to be buffed if the only person looking for me is bad. Otherwise that’s bullshit. That mechanism wouldn’t exist.

And likewise for golden’s role.

Unless there are multiple people looking for me or multiple people that claim me.

But no one has. So.

I feel we’re in a similar boat as TH and Kyle in BTSC sex cave except that TH has claimed indie and Kyle is...I dunno what sort of jar of pickled yams Kyle is.

[Scotty]

I mean I’ll volunteer