Firefly, The Game [GAME OVER]

[Golden]

The thing that ruins this for me is that I also did roughly the same thing nova did, but I ended up changing my vote so that's okay I guess

I didn't love it. I wrote your name down but then crossed it out when you switched. But I was highly aware that I could have made you feel like 'town speedchuck' would have voted for me.

Look, if people think I'm actually barking up the wrong tree they should say so. But I'm not taking this from the people I'm accusing, they would say that. I'm interested in objective opinions.

I don't think I'm wrong about nova. Even if I have the motives wrong, nova's defence is all about how my reasons for suspicion are bad, even while his behaviour itself and the way he has handled me comes across as worse than the original offence imo.

I agree with the point you are making, I just think there is enough reasonable doubt to give me pause. That, and knowing civ nova is also fond of OMGUS.

I'm not familiar with nova's meta. Tell me more about this. How well do you know Nova?

My current reasons for being more confident in nova is the way he is handling me feels like he only suspects me because I've put the heat on him, and not because he thinks I'm bad. The way he's handled me feels more damning than my original suspicion to me.

[Glorfindel]

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Would I prefer someone who publicly said they saw at least two reasons I could be a mafia member to publicly explain those two reasons?

Why yes yes indeed I would very much so.

I didn't say mafia; I said scum. And for those wondering usually, I count 3p as scum. But do you guys ever get friendly 3p over here?

Tell 1: The Picture/Gif Tell (can also sometimes be called the music tell, as I use it on both pictures and music. Yes, I have in fact caught scum this way before.

DharmaHelper has used multiple Negan pictures. Subconsciously, I feel like people post pictures of villains see themselves as being the bad guys themselves. I actually did not finish watching The Walking Dead. I didn't really like Negan. Maybe if I gave him another shot he would turn out to be an alright guy, but my first impression of him made me stop watching the show. So at first, I didn't really think all too much about the Negan pictures as is it really right for me to judge Negan as I didn't take time to get to know him? But then DharmaHelper also posted a picture of Thanos. So either personally, DharmaHelper can easily relate himself to those 2 characters or subconsciously he's bad so he posts pictures of villains.

DH is getting a fair number of votes as captain. He's gonna be all



No-one is gonna mutiny against that guy.

hmm, I seemed to have missed Sanggolden doing this too. But the Negan pictures could be a regular occurrence from DH so it could potentially be NAI. But then I still have to evaluate the use of Thanos.

Much thanks to those who picked me to be a captain. I put my picks in. So far the only gut read I have is DDL wants to mutiny real bad so he can chill with one of the other three captains.

Who wants to be on the winning crew?

Who wants to be on the winning crew?

It looks like I overlooked this one. TH either sees himself as a good character or I could also see this as a teammate to teammate interaction where he's indirectly calling out his scum partner, that's never his intention, obviously though.

Epi is only voting for people who have zero votes and being silent about it.

Why?

^Also, the coffee tell can sometimes be extended to other beverages.

DH! Hang on, I got ya buddy. I found this laying around somewhere... with the proper application of this red sharpie marker.... yup... got it!

I guess this picture would depend on whether or not Soko sees Trump as a bad guy. But at first glance, I guess Soko could maybe be with DH as well. I'll need to look at this one again. It seems I missed more pictures than my first thought.

DH! Hang on, I got ya buddy. I found this laying around somewhere... with the proper application of this red sharpie marker.... yup... got it!

Regina George - Mean Girls another evil character

I didn't see this one initially.

You can just call me Scary Nuna.

But look - I'm LEE Sanggolden, not KIM Sanggolden.

Daisy is Kim Kyungdaisy.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to interpret this one.

Maybe this is the one you need:

Again, same with this one. It's hard to make out.

But once I share this tell. Pictures and music after said tell will be less effective.

I'm gonna keep quoting pictures, but I think you'll start to get it.

Hi, [mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention] As it happens, I have extensive experience (professionally) in management/leadership training. The way DH described his approach to his captaincy made me cringe - it’s been proven to be generally counter-productive and would’ve expected that he would’ve been more ‘enlightened’. And I was MattyK at MU.

[Golden]

Btw novas apparently been expecting me to come at him for ages and says I’m bad because I do but there’s no particular stated suspicion nor even a vote for me to back it up. Just attack as defence.

Pretty standard stuff.

I had a bad feeling about how you've been trying to paint my votes for captain. It read as you dancing around an opportunity, and trying to find suspicions where there are none. I wanted to see if you'd commit, and go for my lynch before I strike back.

You did. Bad move.

"There was no "grand manipulation" to stack the Captains up, which is bad! The grand manipulation was me, a civ, waiting for you to fall into my big civ trap so I could strike, like a civ would do"

I write massive essays and DH manages to boil down exactly what I'm seeing into a single line.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The data is a little limited. The first few games I played with him he was always bad, but he was always an extreme lurker. I hosted one where he would make more posts in BTSC than in the thread. Then at some point he decided to step up and start being active, and after that I've only seen civ nova. I assume bad nova doesn't lurk anymore either, but I don't have data.

Last two games where I was bad (one here and one in another site), nova read me pretty well. In the first one, I trying to push a lynch him him and he responded with pretty agressive OMGUS and kept tunneling on me until the end of the game. I could shrug off other players' suspicions of me, but never from nova. He kept latching at my posts and pointing out why each of them was fabricated.

So point is, civ nova does aggressive OMGUS, and that's the piece of data that could be relevant here. I need more time to really see if he looks like the civ nova I'm used to, though.

[Golden]

If Enrique flips bad lynch DH next.

DH did pick him first, but there's a chance one is mafia and the other is 3p. But yeah, I have multiple worlds going at the moment.

I've been liking Owner anyway, but I really like this - not that I agree DH reads as bad, but I think the approach to thinking is townish.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If Owner is a civ she probably has a solo BTSC chat where she can talk to herself and post notes like crazy, and which only her and the host have access to.

Just a fun fact.

[Marmot]

I'll join Golden's crew since he asked so nicely.

[Marmot]

If Owner is a civ she probably has a solo BTSC chat where she can talk to herself and post notes like crazy, and which only her and the host have access to.

Just a fun fact.

Why do you have reason to think she has BTSC?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If Owner is a civ she probably has a solo BTSC chat where she can talk to herself and post notes like crazy, and which only her and the host have access to.

Just a fun fact.

Why do you have reason to think she has BTSC?

If her role doesn't have one, she created it anyway. It's a thing that she does.

It's really just a fun fact.

[Golden]

The thing that ruins this for me is that I also did roughly the same thing nova did, but I ended up changing my vote so that's okay I guess

I straight up voted Golden out of the tie and he hasn't come after me.

You, wilgy, TH, nova.

I've got my eye on all four of you and none of you look any good to me yet.

[Golden]

I'll join Golden's crew since he asked so nicely.

You have to do it formally.

[Marmot]

I'll join Golden's crew since he asked so nicely.

You have to do it formally.

I'm yours to command, tell me what to do.

[nutella]

I feel like a lot of the ongoing discussions are dead-ends. GTH I don't think DDL is bad, he's just being really clumsy lol. Mac is laying pretty low, but we did just start and I don't think his activity so far is indicative of alignment. Glorfindel is all over sig for what looks like nothing to me but... I remember Glorf's first game, and I believe the talk about his meta. sig has been fine.

Got a funny feeling about speedchuck but he hasn't been around a lot and I don't want to contribute to a possible pile-up. Leaving a placeholder vote on Colin for now for no good reason.

If Ifs and buts were candy and nuts, huh Enrique?

This is the post that has everybody at half-mast ready to get their lynch on. As things go its not the most suspicious thing that's happened today. Much like Colin, very indecisive and straddling the fence as to what Enrique actually thinks. Not a civ quality, I would think.

Enri's putting his thoughts out there, but he's hedging his bets way too much here and way too early on in the day phase. I don't like this post, but I don't think its a slam dunk either.

Bitch please. Weak shit.

[Golden]

I'll join Golden's crew since he asked so nicely.

You have to do it formally.

I'm yours to command, tell me what to do.

Write 'Marmot accepts the position upon the bonnie mae' in a pleasant shade of pink.

[nutella]

I agree that Enri is salad-y. But "indecisiveness is not civ behavior" is utter bullshit.

[Golden]

I agree that Enri is salad-y. But "indecisiveness is not civ behavior" is utter bullshit.

I agree with this statement, especially because I see people like you get lynched far too much for it.

But I can't tell where you stand on Enrique right now and why. This looks like a flip-flop.

[Lunalee]

There's a lot of posts here, what should I do?

90% of it is crew related stuff. Pick a crew and skip that banter. Actual mafia play started about 6 pages ago.

Will you be on my crew?

Only if @Lunalee invites you. She's the captain.

Sure Marmot
Lunalee offers Marmot a job aboard the Bonanza

[Lunalee]

I see no way that Golden isn't town in this game.*

Be careful, that is a dangerous path to take.

So why is MacDougall and DrWilgy voting to lynch him? Not a good look for either of them.

Agree with this though.

*disclaimer: I am an ignorant townie, I may make mistakes.

[DharmaHelper]

I agree that Enri is salad-y. But "indecisiveness is not civ behavior" is utter bullshit.

Cool that you chopped half of what I said off here. Cool.

[Golden]

DDL, is there any reason to think nova wouldn’t reproduce that meta when bad?

How did you feel about his no u case in that case? Did it feel legitimate in its own right or like it was solely a no u?

[Epignosis]

Captains:

If one member of your squad is mafia, who is it and why?

[Golden]

I expected Mac to say something more about me or shift his vote. He did neither.

If I wasn’t voting for nova, mac would be my next choice.

He claimed quietness and lack of engagement in two heads was sock-based. I’m sure there’s truth to that but I didn’t believe that was all, even when he took the time to log into the sock his play was much like this.

[nutella]

I agree that Enri is salad-y. But "indecisiveness is not civ behavior" is utter bullshit.

I agree with this statement, especially because I see people like you get lynched far too much for it.

But I can't tell where you stand on Enrique right now and why. This looks like a flip-flop.

I hated the post that Colin called out, but I think I've liked his defenses since then. I think I am more likely to vote for Mac at the moment since he hasn't really been doing his thing the way he usually does when civ.

[Golden]

Captains:

If one member of your squad is mafia, who is it and why?

In this order from most likely to be bad.

Lap - quietness
Marmot - quietness (but recently he seems quiet no matter his affiliation)
Speed - Hes not at his usual gusto yet... but he has an excuse.
Kyle - looks town, although has vanished a little


Glorf - not bad.

[nutella]

I agree that Enri is salad-y. But "indecisiveness is not civ behavior" is utter bullshit.

Cool that you chopped half of what I said off here. Cool.

What's the relevant other half of which you speak? The part where you say "but he is putting his thoughts out there" and "but it's not a slam dunk"? So basically the parts where you do the exact thing you are accusing him of?

[DharmaHelper]

I agree that Enri is salad-y. But "indecisiveness is not civ behavior" is utter bullshit.

Cool that you chopped half of what I said off here. Cool.

What's the relevant other half of which you speak? The part where you say "but he is putting his thoughts out there" and "but it's not a slam dunk"? So basically the parts where you do the exact thing you are accusing him of?

MIssed it again. Fun. Cool and definitely not intentional.

[nutella]

I agree that Enri is salad-y. But "indecisiveness is not civ behavior" is utter bullshit.

Cool that you chopped half of what I said off here. Cool.

What's the relevant other half of which you speak? The part where you say "but he is putting his thoughts out there" and "but it's not a slam dunk"? So basically the parts where you do the exact thing you are accusing him of?

MIssed it again. Fun. Cool and definitely not intentional.

Don't get it, sorry. What am I missing?

[nutella]

I read your post again and I guess your point is you don't suspect Enri as strongly as Colin does, but you still said that thing so I feel like my point stands.

[DharmaHelper]

I read your post again and I guess your point is you don't suspect Enri as strongly as Colin does, but you still said that thing so I feel like my point stands.

Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir ball.

[DharmaHelper]

Captains:

If one member of your squad is mafia, who is it and why?

I guess I'll do what Golden did and tell you why each might be mafia because I can't really honestly pinpoint one as being mafia over any of the rest.

Enri - Hedging his bets when he weighs in on discussions in the thread
Mac - Has been present but hasn't contributed much if anything to the actual hunting of mafia.
Owner - A lot of her suspicions a few pages back were basically defensive responses on behalf of other players, which I found odd.
INH - Haven't seen him much in-thread. Low profile shit.
Soq -Buddy Buddy for the Yucks

[Golden]

I also ranked them dh.

[nutella]

So you suspect Colin for basically the same reasons that he suspects Enrique. Is that it?

But then you say you think Colin is the SK. Why??

[DharmaHelper]

This is the post that has everybody at half-mast ready to get their lynch on. As things go its not the most suspicious thing that's happened today. Much like Colin, very indecisive and straddling the fence as to what Enrique actually thinks. Not a civ quality, I would think.

Literally the other half of the comment you criticized but in fairness totally easy to miss that if you're manufacturing things to be mad about.

[DharmaHelper]

So you suspect Colin for basically the same reasons that he suspects Enrique. Is that it?

But then you say you think Colin is the SK. Why??

Never said that

[nutella]

This is the post that has everybody at half-mast ready to get their lynch on. As things go its not the most suspicious thing that's happened today. Much like Colin, very indecisive and straddling the fence as to what Enrique actually thinks. Not a civ quality, I would think.

Literally the other half of the comment you criticized but in fairness totally easy to miss that if you're manufacturing things to be mad about.

Still don't get it. That's part of what I was talking about. Maybe I interpreted the wording wrong, but I thought this meant basically the same thing as indecisiveness.

[DharmaHelper]

I also ranked them dh.

Soq
Enri
Mac
INH
Owner

Most to least.

[DharmaHelper]

This is the post that has everybody at half-mast ready to get their lynch on. As things go its not the most suspicious thing that's happened today. Much like Colin, very indecisive and straddling the fence as to what Enrique actually thinks. Not a civ quality, I would think.

Literally the other half of the comment you criticized but in fairness totally easy to miss that if you're manufacturing things to be mad about.

Still don't get it. That's part of what I was talking about. Maybe I interpreted the wording wrong, but I thought this meant basically the same thing as indecisiveness.

OK Guess you don't get it.

[nutella]

DH, why are DDL and Nut suspects for voicing the same suspicion I did in a similar manner, but I’m not? I can see a scum piggy backing on any potential wagon so long as they don’t have to stick their neck out too far but we three pretty much seem to be saying the same thing, so why do I get a pass?

Because I haven't had the time to read you specifically yet.

In hunkering down and reading Colin I've noted that apart from "Enrique bad" he tends to waffle on who he suspects and trusts. A weak Enrique vote and a sporadic nature don't ring civ to me, necessarily but I do suspect the people following such a dumb case more than the guy who made it.

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Dragon D. Luffy
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Voters: Owner of a Lonely Heart, ColinIsCool

In case DDL is bad.

I don’t know why I voted for him tbh. I guess I interpreted his behavior differently from you and I have reservations about your case but it’s not bad.

I kinda think the scum would have been less likely to campaign as captains because it might open them up to being lynched more easily (possibly, idk, that might not be an accurate understanding of the rules) but then again that might be me projecting my own feelings had I been in that position.

I think Epi looks like he did as town in Retro. Golden as well but I think Nova is townish too. Guess what motherfuckers, I’ve vacillated back to calling everybody town again

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Tell me more. :P

I take it back, your ISO was cleaner than I thought and I’m not voting a new player D1 anyway

Colin thoughts:

"Kinda" this "maybe" that. Very nebulous thoughts and suspects (again, apart from "Enrique bad" which seems to be the one suspicion Colin is willing to hold for more than an hour) He said "others" pinged him a bit but if you can find evidence of that, God bless. If I had to put a number on it I'd say 55-65% chances Colin's bad.

K whatever dude.

[DharmaHelper]

DH, why are DDL and Nut suspects for voicing the same suspicion I did in a similar manner, but I’m not? I can see a scum piggy backing on any potential wagon so long as they don’t have to stick their neck out too far but we three pretty much seem to be saying the same thing, so why do I get a pass?

Because I haven't had the time to read you specifically yet.

In hunkering down and reading Colin I've noted that apart from "Enrique bad" he tends to waffle on who he suspects and trusts. A weak Enrique vote and a sporadic nature don't ring civ to me, necessarily but I do suspect the people following such a dumb case more than the guy who made it.

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Dragon D. Luffy
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Voters: Owner of a Lonely Heart, ColinIsCool

In case DDL is bad.

I don’t know why I voted for him tbh. I guess I interpreted his behavior differently from you and I have reservations about your case but it’s not bad.

I kinda think the scum would have been less likely to campaign as captains because it might open them up to being lynched more easily (possibly, idk, that might not be an accurate understanding of the rules) but then again that might be me projecting my own feelings had I been in that position.

I think Epi looks like he did as town in Retro. Golden as well but I think Nova is townish too. Guess what motherfuckers, I’ve vacillated back to calling everybody town again

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Tell me more. :P

I take it back, your ISO was cleaner than I thought and I’m not voting a new player D1 anyway

Colin thoughts:

"Kinda" this "maybe" that. Very nebulous thoughts and suspects (again, apart from "Enrique bad" which seems to be the one suspicion Colin is willing to hold for more than an hour) He said "others" pinged him a bit but if you can find evidence of that, God bless. If I had to put a number on it I'd say 55-65% chances Colin's bad.

K whatever dude.

What's this mean though is my question

[nutella]

DH, why are DDL and Nut suspects for voicing the same suspicion I did in a similar manner, but I’m not? I can see a scum piggy backing on any potential wagon so long as they don’t have to stick their neck out too far but we three pretty much seem to be saying the same thing, so why do I get a pass?

Because I haven't had the time to read you specifically yet.

In hunkering down and reading Colin I've noted that apart from "Enrique bad" he tends to waffle on who he suspects and trusts. A weak Enrique vote and a sporadic nature don't ring civ to me, necessarily but I do suspect the people following such a dumb case more than the guy who made it.

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Dragon D. Luffy
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Voters: Owner of a Lonely Heart, ColinIsCool

In case DDL is bad.

I don’t know why I voted for him tbh. I guess I interpreted his behavior differently from you and I have reservations about your case but it’s not bad.

I kinda think the scum would have been less likely to campaign as captains because it might open them up to being lynched more easily (possibly, idk, that might not be an accurate understanding of the rules) but then again that might be me projecting my own feelings had I been in that position.

I think Epi looks like he did as town in Retro. Golden as well but I think Nova is townish too. Guess what motherfuckers, I’ve vacillated back to calling everybody town again

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Tell me more. :P

I take it back, your ISO was cleaner than I thought and I’m not voting a new player D1 anyway

Colin thoughts:

"Kinda" this "maybe" that. Very nebulous thoughts and suspects (again, apart from "Enrique bad" which seems to be the one suspicion Colin is willing to hold for more than an hour) He said "others" pinged him a bit but if you can find evidence of that, God bless. If I had to put a number on it I'd say 55-65% chances Colin's bad.

K whatever dude.

What's this mean though is my question

This is my answer to you saying you never said you suspected Colin for similar reasons. That's what this looks like to me.

[DharmaHelper]

DH, why are DDL and Nut suspects for voicing the same suspicion I did in a similar manner, but I’m not? I can see a scum piggy backing on any potential wagon so long as they don’t have to stick their neck out too far but we three pretty much seem to be saying the same thing, so why do I get a pass?

Because I haven't had the time to read you specifically yet.

In hunkering down and reading Colin I've noted that apart from "Enrique bad" he tends to waffle on who he suspects and trusts. A weak Enrique vote and a sporadic nature don't ring civ to me, necessarily but I do suspect the people following such a dumb case more than the guy who made it.

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Dragon D. Luffy
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Voters: Owner of a Lonely Heart, ColinIsCool

In case DDL is bad.

I don’t know why I voted for him tbh. I guess I interpreted his behavior differently from you and I have reservations about your case but it’s not bad.

I kinda think the scum would have been less likely to campaign as captains because it might open them up to being lynched more easily (possibly, idk, that might not be an accurate understanding of the rules) but then again that might be me projecting my own feelings had I been in that position.

I think Epi looks like he did as town in Retro. Golden as well but I think Nova is townish too. Guess what motherfuckers, I’ve vacillated back to calling everybody town again

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Owner sketched me out a lil too

Tell me more. :P

I take it back, your ISO was cleaner than I thought and I’m not voting a new player D1 anyway

Colin thoughts:

"Kinda" this "maybe" that. Very nebulous thoughts and suspects (again, apart from "Enrique bad" which seems to be the one suspicion Colin is willing to hold for more than an hour) He said "others" pinged him a bit but if you can find evidence of that, God bless. If I had to put a number on it I'd say 55-65% chances Colin's bad.

K whatever dude.

What's this mean though is my question

This is my answer to you saying you never said you suspected Colin for similar reasons. That's what this looks like to me.

.....But I never say in the quotes you quoted that I suspect him for similar reasons.

[ColinIsCool]

The Yun Qui crew is going to drive to DH’s house irl at this rate

[Kylemii]

oh cool so it's day 1 now, nice

guess i should read

[Turnip Head]

Tell me TH, do you think the mafia would not have tried to manipulate the captain vote in any way?

[Kylemii]

Wait ... you think he’s town because he’s said he’s town? Can other people corroborate whether this is legitimate reasoning based on Glorfindel’s meta?

yeah, apparently it's just a thing he does and it's not even a weird gimmick he just never lies irl either cus he's secretly rumplestiltskin or something

[Marmot]

Marmot accepts his position as Lord Marmot Commander of all the boats.

[Glorfindel]

Wait ... you think he’s town because he’s said he’s town? Can other people corroborate whether this is legitimate reasoning based on Glorfindel’s meta?

yeah, apparently it's just a thing he does and it's not even a weird gimmick he just never lies irl either cus he's secretly rumplestiltskin or something

I beg your pardon???

[Glorfindel]

Marmot accepts his position as Lord Marmot Commander of all the boats.

Are you joining the Bonnie Mae, Marmot?

[Marmot]

Marmot accepts his position as Lord Marmot Commander of all the boats.

Are you joining the Bonnie Mae, Marmot?

Do they have tea?

[Golden]

Marmot accepts his position as Lord Marmot Commander of all the boats.

Are you joining the Bonnie Mae, Marmot?

Do they have tea?

Of course. Tea and craft beer. We are civilised around here.