DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[abyssum]

I’m using it to mean “enthusiastic posting at a high rate” but it may not be the dictionary definition

oh, alright. i got the impression that dogpee was more like moments where he seized onto something he saw as scummy rather suddenly, so i was wondering what it had to do with his play here lmao

[Infected_alien8_]

Okay, thanks. Do you think M plus 7 not sharing your opinion there is suspicious, why/why not?

I'm not sure that's accurate. Once I clarified myself he voiced his "non-disagreement":

Lol, what timing.

What makes you assess his poo flinging so far as fake? As you and I both know, it's in character as either alignment. What should I be looking for re: Mac this early? Give me all of your thoughts, Jay.

Poo flinging is great. We should all do it. It should also bear some kind of capacity for response, or at least be traceable to some tangible inspiration. Mac's poo is randomized. I have no idea why those posts he highlighted suggested the alignments he tacked onto them.

Yeah, I don't disagree. I await further content from him.

I am weirded out that he hasn't come after me though and tried to be my friend immediately, lol. Not sure what to make of that. I almost miss the aggressive Mac fucking with me.

One could say that the value of his input here is diminished given that it is an affirmation of my input rather than original. I wouldn't find that to be terribly meaningful though. MP responds to everything and will by nature have a lot of that.

And, if I'm reading it correctly, he's basically saying 'if I were Mafia I'd know you were citizen, and that's the only scenario where I'd know'. That assumes you're a citizen because he's ignoring the possibility of you being Mafia, meaning that if he was Mafia, he'd be your partner instead of knowing you were a citizen.

I'm not 100% convinced that him working under the assumption you're Town in that post is a 'slip' because he could have just done that as Town of course, and the fact the rest of his posts seem Townie to me makes me want to say gut-wise it's not a genuine slip, but I think it's worth considering at least unless I'm completely misunderstanding it

I see what you're saying now. Good times. I am going to let Mac have a go at this before I comment further.

Yeah that's true, but the fact he didn't pick up on that on his own, since he didn't mention it until you did, even though he seems to know him, whereas you did notice it, makes me think he's not genuinely trying to sort people so didn't notice, or possibly did notice it but chose to ignore it because they're a team and he didn't want to bring attention to it, but that latter theory isn't something I really want to think about much just yet.

Let’s lynch MP

No u Colin

Townread MP for now

Colin, this is the post I labeled "stankbutt", which despite your apparent lack of concern is a serious issue. You said just now that you are questioning your tone civilian read on MP in light of alien's input, and I am brought to wonder: what inspired that tone read in the first place?

"No u Colin"?

Was it that?

Was that the tone that won you over?

Was MP a civilian because of that only until alien provided an alternative perspective?

No, that post was a joke. The townread came from me liking his dogpee and viewing him as very similar to what I’d observed in Easter — thus there became an actual townread. But it’s not a firm one and upon review there’s more reason to be concerned than I’d initially noticed.

By dogpee do you mean his excitement?

also, hello Alien! good to see you again, hopefully under better circumstances

Hello! Yes hopefully haha, hopefully we can interact more this game too

I should mention that I won’t be voting for anybody whom is new here on D1, barring tragic slips or Twin Peaks-style dream visions. I know some of you do that too, but given how much it lowers the pool, it’s fair to spell out. What I’m really saying us, let’s fuck MP or Mac up

Sorry, not quite following - why aren't you wanting to vote new people?

my not-so-hot early reads: alien, tsaiah, jay likely to be town

alien for that Interesting wall post that i'm not going to respond to until i see MP7 do so. this may have an element of being biased to recent games, since alien was scum in WC1 and he was notably sort of timid. @Infected_alien8_ this is your first game here, right? (can't say i agree about the slip, though)

jay for lines of questioning; i like the stankbutt accusation/thread because it tickles my funny bone and also makes some sort of sense. super liable to change but being a fan of my avatar is a bonus anyway

tsaiah is the one of the weaker reads outta these, because she has no problems faking tone as scum, but i like her read on MP7 even though i don't fully agree with it yet. not only do i think MP7 would be excitable as scum or town in this playerlist, i think that his posting comes off as sort of pressured and a lot of the content so far isn't really dealing with This Game, which makes excitability/thoughts/etc easier to fake. TBD

Yeah this is my first game here.

I agree that I think M Plus 7 would be excited regardless of alignment.

What about the slip do you disagree with?

Also, have you had any mindmelds with M Plus 7 yet? I'm assuming not since you haven't said so but just in case?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Colin give me all of your reads. Give them to me now. Pour them into my cereal bowl.

[Infected_alien8_]

No, that post was a joke. The townread came from me liking his dogpee and viewing him as very similar to what I’d observed in Easter — thus there became an actual townread. But it’s not a firm one and upon review there’s more reason to be concerned than I’d initially noticed.

k

Do you buy his explanation here by the way?

[abyssum]

I am resisting the instinct to give alien a lot of credit for the wall post. I appreciate the effort and even more the against-the-grain look at MP. I have a bit of an allergy to posts formatted in that manner though -- analysis consisting of numerous quotes from numerous players which aren't related by some consistent theme is something I have seen many mafia use to engage the thread actively without needing to have quite the direction and focus that a civilian needs.

This doesn't mean I find alien suspicious. I don't really. I am just holding up my garlic cloves warily.

maybe in a vacuum, 'posts like that' can be easily utilized by mafia, but i don't get that impression from the post itself

also TBD i suppose. enjoy your anticoagulants

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Allow me to show each of you who aren't already aware the true genesis of "dogpee", from the beginning, before the old times, when your grandpappy's mafia team was in diapers.

MP right now reminds me of a dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything.

[Infected_alien8_]

I am resisting the instinct to give alien a lot of credit for the wall post. I appreciate the effort and even more the against-the-grain look at MP. I have a bit of an allergy to posts formatted in that manner though -- analysis consisting of numerous quotes from numerous players which aren't related by some consistent theme is something I have seen many mafia use to engage the thread actively without needing to have quite the direction and focus that a civilian needs.

This doesn't mean I find alien suspicious. I don't really. I am just holding up my garlic cloves warily.

Okay, fwiw I just read through the thread, making new tabs with quotes in I find significant, then put them all together in one post at the end and bundled all the M Plus 7 ones in together to make it more organized. I don't know if that explanation does anything for you but, there you go!

[abyssum]

i don't think i've had any mindmelds with MP7 yet, but i also wasn't very seriously engaged last night because it's D0 and i was multitasking, so i don't think that really means anything

[abyssum]

Allow me to show each of you who aren't already aware the true genesis of "dogpee", from the beginning, before the old times, when your grandpappy's mafia team was in diapers.

MP right now reminds me of a dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything.

MP7 lied to me

[Tangrowth]

Hello!

Not here for long. Just trying to keep current. Catching up quickly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah that's true, but the fact he didn't pick up on that on his own, since he didn't mention it until you did, even though he seems to know him, whereas you did notice it, makes me think he's not genuinely trying to sort people so didn't notice, or possibly did notice it but chose to ignore it because they're a team and he didn't want to bring attention to it, but that latter theory isn't something I really want to think about much just yet.

That's something MP should answer to.

I am not immediately inclined to be bothered, but I understand your concern. I think my assertions about Mac were of a specific-enough nature that I don't hold it against anyone else for not having had the same thought before I did.

[Tangrowth]

You're in full King of Fuck Mountain mode right now, and I'm just loving it.

Let's solve this game, Jay. We can win.

I've had a long break, and I am sick of you taking all the glory.

With you and I as town and in full solving mode, we can crush this game. I'm fucking stoked.

I thought you wanted me to help you crush it. You can't have both of us. Jay and I are highlanders. There can be only one.

But... I do want you both! I HAVE TO HAVE YOU BOTH

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No, that post was a joke. The townread came from me liking his dogpee and viewing him as very similar to what I’d observed in Easter — thus there became an actual townread. But it’s not a firm one and upon review there’s more reason to be concerned than I’d initially noticed.

k

Do you buy his explanation here by the way?

I think it's a rather token response which is going to come into this thread regardless of whether it is true. I don't award Colin points for it, but nor do I dock them.

[Tangrowth]

MP
Tsaiah

You ain't posted yet, shit

Kyle
Colin

Mac
abyssum
DH

I forgot that you actually suck at Mafia now. Sucks to be you.

LMAO, so your offer to be nice is only to me then. Got it. I'm flattered.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention], if your time is limited then I recommend you focus it here.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Some early thoughts

M Plus 7 - i can feel the wind from his tail wagging so hard the way over here, eee. While i think he'd be excitable as scum, too, i think the direction that's gone in this particular game is just oozing with how happy he is to get to be playing for the first time with certain people, and in that, the emphasis is clearly on him being excited that those certain people could actually be town like he clearly wants them to be. Serious read, and unexpected--i thought i was gonna be terrified in a but oh god what if he's scum sorta way coming in, but damn if i don't feel like he's probably just town already, AND i'm comfortable with the feeling

JaggedJimmyJay - came in equally comfortable with joking around and with getting down to brass tacks solving (and doing both concurrently), not a bit of it feels forced, i feel like he's seeking out potential paths to sniff his way down without it feeling like he's reaching for minutiae

Kylemii - i do like the way he engaged me, i would've liked it better if he'd actually told me something about himself in his reply (tho i laughed), i'm most interested right now in seeing what he does or doesn't do with the replies he recieves there

Haha, that is so like MP in person I'm laughing.

LOL, well... *embarrassed*

[Tangrowth]

@M Plus 7, if your time is limited then I recommend you focus it here.

I think I can fully catch up... but duly noted, thank you sir!

[Tangrowth]

OMG is that Alien's very first Syndicate wall? Yay!

[Tangrowth]

Yeah, Alien and aby just played in the Champs wild card game with me.

Robot and Alien played my Champs qualifier game.

Tsaiah stalked us all.

MP is town cause he won’t shut up

Ever

I CAN'T HELP IT

I HAVE WORD VOMIT DISEASE

[Tangrowth]

Just got my role, I am DH's left buttcheek

Random thought I had just the other day! Remember when you two were teamed in Death Note? Good times.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

M Plus 7 right now:

[Infected_alien8_]

OMG is that Alien's very first Syndicate wall? Yay!

Unfortunately it's against you hahaha

[Tangrowth]

MP -- I'm not revealing any of my perspectives of MP here. He may well end up a finalist in the tournament and I don't want anyone using my words against him. If MP himself requests otherwise I may reconsider.

That... might be for the best.

OK, reading Alien wall in detail now.

[Tangrowth]

OMG is that Alien's very first Syndicate wall? Yay!

Unfortunately it's against you hahaha

LMAO, I'd expect nothing less.

[abyssum]

im just gonna take a magnifying glass to MP7 for a while

zoom

[Tangrowth]

im just gonna take a magnifying glass to MP7 for a while

zoom

COME AT ME I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A tragedy looms in the near future:

[Infected_alien8_]

Also despite her reasonable explanation for it, aby's kind of reluctance to have much of an opinion on M Plus 7 is pinging me

[abyssum]

im just gonna take a magnifying glass to MP7 for a while

zoom

COME AT ME I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE

[quiet staring]

[abyssum]

Also despite her reasonable explanation for it, aby's kind of reluctance to have much of an opinion on M Plus 7 is pinging me

i'll have an opinion soon enough ya impatient extraterrestrial

[Infected_alien8_]

Also despite her reasonable explanation for it, aby's kind of reluctance to have much of an opinion on M Plus 7 is pinging me

i'll have an opinion soon enough ya impatient extraterrestrial

lol

[Tangrowth]

In response to stuff in Alien's wall:

Spoiler: show

Hey everyone!

Pleased to meet you all, very excited to play this game with everyone!

I've read through the thread and I'm suspicious of M Plus 7, slight town-read on Tsai, I want to town-read Jagged but M Plus 7 says they're good at acting Townie so I'm a bit reluctant to do that but I've felt like they've been genuinely hunting so far rather than faking it, and I wanted to town-read Mac based on tone but I think they might have possibly slipped?

M Plus 7 suspicion is, in a nut-shell, that I think they're being too eager to town-read people compared to in other games, and I'm not getting the sense they're genuinely trying to solve. The lack of questions is also concerning but I've not really got any questions myself either yet so I can be sympathetic about that.

Some quotes:

Yeah Tsaiah is pure. I’m locking this for now.

Seems a bit too eager to lock in a town-read? Especially since he hasn't played much with her. And looking through their ISO I really don't know where he's getting that from.

I'll work on that meta post now, but I will also continue to engage anyone in here in real time. Let's get this game fucking rolling. I want to crush the scum. Let's make them drown under genuine solving content.

The "drown under genuine solving content" pings me, though I'm having a hard time understanding why exactly that is.

Lol, what timing.

What makes you assess his poo flinging so far as fake? As you and I both know, it's in character as either alignment. What should I be looking for re: Mac this early? Give me all of your thoughts, Jay.

Poo flinging is great. We should all do it. It should also bear some kind of capacity for response, or at least be traceable to some tangible inspiration. Mac's poo is randomized. I have no idea why those posts he highlighted suggested the alignments he tacked onto them.

So is mac's poo being random not a part of his usual meta, is it usually more focused? Because if so, M Plus 7 not picking up on that would be strange, but Mac seems to disagree with you here so not sure what to make of that yet.

You're in full King of Fuck Mountain mode right now, and I'm just loving it.

Let's solve this game, Jay. We can win.

I've had a long break, and I am sick of you taking all the glory.

With you and I as town and in full solving mode, we can crush this game. I'm fucking stoked.

Again seems a bit eager to assume Jay as Town.

Kylemii has had the best entrance so far. I know he gave me shit for this sort of read in the hydra game, but I stand by something similar here.

I still think it seems wrong, but the fact that you were at least apparently right back then without any prior knowledge makes it possible it might be a real divergence in my types of bullshit, or at least that you think it's real, if that makes sense.

You're bad, aren't you?

Feels a bit like he felt it was necessary to throw in a non-town read in somewhere, because I don't know why he thinks that, he didn't elaborate on it, and didn't ask a question which I think could actually sort their alignment.

If Jay and Tsaiah are both scum this game, I will cry myself to sleep for weeks.

Again a bit too eager on town-reading them, I'm really not sure where it's coming from because he said Jay can fake Mafia really well and I'm really not sure where his Tsaiah tone read is coming from, mostly because I just don't see it at all, and that combined with the fact he hasn't played with them much makes me think this is fake.

Jay is one of the best players I've ever known, and he can fake being town really fucking well, but he's oozing town right now. Locking this in.

It might be just due to difference of style on this site because he knows people better here, but I don't recall him ever 'locking' someone as Town and he was very much 'we must always reassess constantly', and I don't get that impression at all from him so far, so I'm thinking he's not actually a paranoid townie who doesn't know anyone's alignments.

Some early thoughts

M Plus 7 - i can feel the wind from his tail wagging so hard the way over here, eee. While i think he'd be excitable as scum, too, i think the direction that's gone in this particular game is just oozing with how happy he is to get to be playing for the first time with certain people, and in that, the emphasis is clearly on him being excited that those certain people could actually be town like he clearly wants them to be. Serious read, and unexpected--i thought i was gonna be terrified in a but oh god what if he's scum sorta way coming in, but damn if i don't feel like he's probably just town already, AND i'm comfortable with the feeling

JaggedJimmyJay - came in equally comfortable with joking around and with getting down to brass tacks solving (and doing both concurrently), not a bit of it feels forced, i feel like he's seeking out potential paths to sniff his way down without it feeling like he's reaching for minutiae

Kylemii - i do like the way he engaged me, i would've liked it better if he'd actually told me something about himself in his reply (tho i laughed), i'm most interested right now in seeing what he does or doesn't do with the replies he recieves there

Yay, you are town, aren't you?

Another really quick town-read that he doesn't actually explain, which again I find a bit suspicious. Feels like he's trying to pocket people.

At the same time, I'm not sure he'd try to town-read loads of people if he's Mafia because he's just decreasing the pool of mislynches, so that's making me reconsider. But I still find it really strange.

@ Tsaiah, do you have any suspicions of note yet?

Nope. Just some people that I'm trying to get to know, and some people that I'm watching to see what they do next, with some overlap between the two.

I'm a townhunter, on d1 I'm primarily looking for other town (while simultaneously trying to not put any scum in my townreads). My end-of-first day reads have been historically pretty accurate (like if i have ~6 or 7 decently strong townreads, there may be that one inevitable scum hiding among them. Occasionally none, and then that one game that i'm still pissed about, there were two xD)

TOWN HUNTERS UNITE

HIGH FIVE

I guess if his meta here is as a town hunter his behaviour regarding that makes sense but I'm pretty sure he was much less 'town-huntery' in the champs games.

MP
Tsaiah

You ain't posted yet, shit

Kyle
Colin

Mac
abyssum
DH

I forgot that you actually suck at Mafia now. Sucks to be you.

My reads aren’t terribly different from those you’ve provided. Also you know I’m a civilian.

Don't poke the bear Jay. For me to know you are a civilian would require me to be Mafia which I am not you curmudgeon.

Despite the rest of mac's post making me feel he's Town, this could be a slip here - he's assuming Jay is Town and not Mafia, because if he's Town, imagining being Mafia still leads to the possibility of him them being Mafia partners, but he ignores that scenario.

Some early thoughts

M Plus 7 - i can feel the wind from his tail wagging so hard the way over here, eee. While i think he'd be excitable as scum, too, i think the direction that's gone in this particular game is just oozing with how happy he is to get to be playing for the first time with certain people, and in that, the emphasis is clearly on him being excited that those certain people could actually be town like he clearly wants them to be. Serious read, and unexpected--i thought i was gonna be terrified in a but oh god what if he's scum sorta way coming in, but damn if i don't feel like he's probably just town already, AND i'm comfortable with the feeling

JaggedJimmyJay - came in equally comfortable with joking around and with getting down to brass tacks solving (and doing both concurrently), not a bit of it feels forced, i feel like he's seeking out potential paths to sniff his way down without it feeling like he's reaching for minutiae

Kylemii - i do like the way he engaged me, i would've liked it better if he'd actually told me something about himself in his reply (tho i laughed), i'm most interested right now in seeing what he does or doesn't do with the replies he recieves there

I like this post because it feels genuine to me, the M Plus 7 read feels almost too elaborate and complex to be faked, so I slightly town-read Tsaiah because of this I think.

@abyssum -- ISO
@Infected_alien8_
@JaggedJimmyJay
@RobotNerd277
@Russtifinko

plz also tell me ur history?

Hi! I guess my history would be that I started playing a couple years ago, mostly closed setups with my friends so we all knew each other pretty well so it was quite meta-orientated, then joined the champs this year and met M Plus 7 and now I'm here. Is that okay or did you want something else?

--

Sorry M Plus 7, I do feel sort of like I've just come into the thread focusing on you, I guess because I know you more, but those are my initial thoughts.

Re: eager to lock in town players... I mean, yeah? That's me in a nutshell in the early game and just in general. I always think I'm better at finding someone as town than I am as scum, and this has actually led to some interesting discussions with other players (namely Mac because when we first started playing we had some headbutting since he works the exact oppositely). So yeah, I really am eager to do so. It's how I approach the early game. I do feel like I did that in Champs too but you're probably right that I'm substantially more eager here. I think that's a product of a few reasons; in Champs I often didn't know anyone, whereas here I know all of you in at least some way, a decent amount of you very well. It's also a different environment. I did lead the thread at MU and in Champs, but I take it upon myself to be token thread leader here by default and one of the ways I can start feeling like I'm progressing the game forward in the early stages is by identifying other town. In addition, Jay and Tsaiah specifically are players that not only do that as well (hunt by finding other town in the early stages), but IMO are good at doing so, and I LOVE working with Jay and have been very much looking forward to working with Tsaiah. You better bet I'll keep reassessing them every second. But for now I feel confident enough in them being "locked" town for now, and perhaps you're getting caught on that terminology. By no means does that mean I'm not even reassessing them right now. It just means I feel confident calling them town at this stage in the game. Hope this makes sense.

Re: Mac... lol, Mac and I have an interesting relationship. I have a hard time getting my head wrapped around him. I always want to work with him but historically we have found ourselves at odds with each other especially in the early game. I have a really hard time evaluating his early game because his poo flinging always seems random to me to at least some extent. Jay seems to think differently, and I'm inclined to think that he genuinely believes he can detect a difference, so I'm all for considering his perspective. Otherwise I personally have a hard time sorting Mac until we've been able to interact with each other significantly and he shifts into hardcore mode.

Re: the question at Kyle, it was pretty weak; just an indication that I was doubting my town read on him a bit there. I clarified in my subsequent rainbow list though that he's still in the slight town placement. It's a tone read. He'll likely fall to null if I don't see anything particularly inspiring soon though or can connect with him in some way.

Let me know if this helps address any of your concerns or if you want to engage further. Glad to be playing with you and your walls! Lol. Do note though if you want there is a spoiler tag and it's pretty easy to use so that might be helpful if you want to keep responding this way!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There's something natural in the scent of abyssum's recent post progression. I don't get the feeling that this person is being careful, which I mean in the best sort of way.

"I don't have all of the thoughts, but I have some of them, here take a look, these are the thoughts, oh you have concerns, okay calm down I'm getting to it, wait a damned minute"

[Tangrowth]

That’s a good point about MP, Infected alien. I don’t recall him being so eager to lock people in during previous games — in fact, in Easter he talked himself into just about everybody being scum at different points before I murdered him. That’s interesting.

I don't feel like this is an accurate representation at all? I feel like I developed some town reads on Day 1 and had a full-fledged rainbow?

This is still Day 0, so maybe you're conflating the entirety of my play in Easter with the very beginning of my game there.

[Tangrowth]

So is mac's poo being random not a part of his usual meta, is it usually more focused? Because if so, M Plus 7 not picking up on that would be strange, but Mac seems to disagree with you here so not sure what to make of that yet.

Mac is known for hurling out gut reads in the earliest stages of games as a civilian (and has recently used that very thing to cover himself as a mafioso). I think that his poo may often appear random on the surface given that it emerges from the void in threads which are often otherwise still stuck in joke-and-meme mode, but I tend to understand on some level what he is thinking when he presents them.

This time I have no idea. He pointed to posts which could have been selected by a random number generator and tacked alignment reads upon them.

Despite the rest of mac's post making me feel he's Town, this could be a slip here - he's assuming Jay is Town and not Mafia, because if he's Town, imagining being Mafia still leads to the possibility of him them being Mafia partners, but he ignores that scenario.

I don't quite follow what you're saying here. Could you restate it somehow?

Lol, crosspost sort of?

I remember you referencing this in was it... Easter even? Where Mac subbed out early? And I know other times as well. I have a much harder time getting into Mac's chaotic brain, so help me get there.

Right now I actually think you both probably are town.

[Tangrowth]

That’s a good point about MP, Infected alien. I don’t recall him being so eager to lock people in during previous games — in fact, in Easter he talked himself into just about everybody being scum at different points before I murdered him. That’s interesting.

What does this mean to you?

Alright Jay, what kind of fucking question is this?

[Tangrowth]

@M Plus 7

did you, by chance, immediately try to invoke a towntell? ;>

You mean on purpose? Not that I'm consciously aware anyway. Why?

[ColinIsCool]

That’s a good point about MP, Infected alien. I don’t recall him being so eager to lock people in during previous games — in fact, in Easter he talked himself into just about everybody being scum at different points before I murdered him. That’s interesting.

I don't feel like this is an accurate representation at all? I feel like I developed some town reads on Day 1 and had a full-fledged rainbow?

This is still Day 0, so maybe you're conflating the entirety of my play in Easter with the very beginning of my game there.

It’s possible I am being fast and loose here, and I’m having a hard time articulating the poinr exactly, but it feels like a contradiction in playstyle. Very confident to be able to lock people in D1, but also tinfoilly enough to see the merits in just about every case in Easter (as town). Does that make sense?

[Tangrowth]

I should mention that I won’t be voting for anybody whom is new here on D1, barring tragic slips or Twin Peaks-style dream visions. I know some of you do that too, but given how much it lowers the pool, it’s fair to spell out. What I’m really saying us, let’s fuck MP or Mac up

You want a showdown of Easter? I'm game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Now that MP has answered for himself, I wish to expand with my external perspective of why his play to this point bears a civilian appearance:

He has just emerged from both of the two most intense Mafia games he has ever played in (he can protest that claim if he sees fit). He was a civilian in both of them. He reached an immense post count greater than any ever seen on the site he started in both of them. He reached the final three in both of them. Despite losing the first, he still advanced to a wild card game, and then bettered his performance in every arena of play. He just won the most intense game of his life, as the final voter, the game clincher, and his confidence is soaring.

Now he has an opportunity to play in a similarly vanilla-heavy mafia game on his home turf, both with players from those games and others he has known quite a lot longer, and exercise the skills he developed in those champions games here. It is visible in his behavior, and it is something I recognize keenly. I behaved quite similarly when I returned from my Season 2 appearance in that tournament, with my own confidence soaring, ready to show my old Mafia Mates what I had learned in my excursion to the "big leagues" (forgive my cheesiness).

These are things which may still be expressed in a mafioso MP, and I will remain vigilant in my considerations of his play. I haven't felt his conduct has been inauthentic yet though. I believe him.

[Tangrowth]

my not-so-hot early reads: alien, tsaiah, jay likely to be town

alien for that Interesting wall post that i'm not going to respond to until i see MP7 do so. this may have an element of being biased to recent games, since alien was scum in WC1 and he was notably sort of timid. @Infected_alien8_ this is your first game here, right? (can't say i agree about the slip, though)

jay for lines of questioning; i like the stankbutt accusation/thread because it tickles my funny bone and also makes some sort of sense. super liable to change but being a fan of my avatar is a bonus anyway

tsaiah is the one of the weaker reads outta these, because she has no problems faking tone as scum, but i like her read on MP7 even though i don't fully agree with it yet. not only do i think MP7 would be excitable as scum or town in this playerlist, i think that his posting comes off as sort of pressured and a lot of the content so far isn't really dealing with This Game, which makes excitability/thoughts/etc easier to fake. TBD

What do you mean exactly? I'm too fluffy?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That’s a good point about MP, Infected alien. I don’t recall him being so eager to lock people in during previous games — in fact, in Easter he talked himself into just about everybody being scum at different points before I murdered him. That’s interesting.

What does this mean to you?

Alright Jay, what kind of fucking question is this?

The kind one asks of a player who just called something "interesting" without getting to the point.

[Tangrowth]

I am resisting the instinct to give alien a lot of credit for the wall post. I appreciate the effort and even more the against-the-grain look at MP. I have a bit of an allergy to posts formatted in that manner though -- analysis consisting of numerous quotes from numerous players which aren't related by some consistent theme is something I have seen many mafia use to engage the thread actively without needing to have quite the direction and focus that a civilian needs.

This doesn't mean I find alien suspicious. I don't really. I am just holding up my garlic cloves warily.

FWIW he posted in that manner in both games (town in G9 and scum in WC1), so the method of posting at least is very likely NAI.

[Tangrowth]

Allow me to show each of you who aren't already aware the true genesis of "dogpee", from the beginning, before the old times, when your grandpappy's mafia team was in diapers.

MP right now reminds me of a dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything.

Yeah, this is when I went after G-Man like an insane person.

G-Man ended up being MLed as town in F3.

[Tangrowth]

i don't think i've had any mindmelds with MP7 yet, but i also wasn't very seriously engaged last night because it's D0 and i was multitasking, so i don't think that really means anything

IKR I'm sad.

We'll get there though if we're both town, I'm convinced.

[Tangrowth]

Allow me to show each of you who aren't already aware the true genesis of "dogpee", from the beginning, before the old times, when your grandpappy's mafia team was in diapers.

MP right now reminds me of a dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything.

MP7 lied to me

Whaaaat what did I lie about

[Tangrowth]

Yeah that's true, but the fact he didn't pick up on that on his own, since he didn't mention it until you did, even though he seems to know him, whereas you did notice it, makes me think he's not genuinely trying to sort people so didn't notice, or possibly did notice it but chose to ignore it because they're a team and he didn't want to bring attention to it, but that latter theory isn't something I really want to think about much just yet.

That's something MP should answer to.

I am not immediately inclined to be bothered, but I understand your concern. I think my assertions about Mac were of a specific-enough nature that I don't hold it against anyone else for not having had the same thought before I did.

I certainly didn't think of it myself in the moment, but then when you brought it up, I thought it was a good point for sure. That's it really.

[Turnip Head]

Just got my role, I am DH's left buttcheek

Random thought I had just the other day! Remember when you two were teamed in Death Note? Good times.

How could I forget? it's in my Top 5 favorite games of all time

[Tangrowth]

Also despite her reasonable explanation for it, aby's kind of reluctance to have much of an opinion on M Plus 7 is pinging me

I'm still feeling her out myself for the record, although I think I'm getting to slight town as we speak.

[ColinIsCool]

Feel mostly good about:

Infected alien
Mac
Jay, but less so

Idk about:

Everybody except for MP, who is on notice.

If MP is bad, skimming his massive post suggests to me that his teammate(s) are either Kyle, Luna or RobotNerd.