DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also, although I get your perspective of 'confidence in reads could be coming from confidence after winning those games', personally that isn't my impression, it feels more like he's just town-reading people because he's trying to post content but struggling to genuinely find things suspicious/worthy of questioning as Mafia or wanting to pocket them, the 'confidence from champs' thing isn't something I sense personally either

I suspect the distance between us in this dialogue may stem as much from preconception as it does from philosophical or inferential disagreement. I understand your perspective and will see how thangs develop.

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway I 100% hate that I have to read eight pages of shit during Day 0 how dare you.

[Infected_alien8_]

Okay, thanks. So basically, you think it seems reasonable that he's confident due to his past games, and therefore, as a Townie, that confidence would translate into confident reads, whereas as Mafia he'd be more cautious?

That's my best guess, yes.

The nice thing about MP is that he is never going to stop posting, even when he shouldn't be posting, and we'll have every opportunity to critically assess whatever he is doing.

Alright, thanks. That perspective does make sense to me, but I can also see worlds where he does this as Mafia, either because he's aware he might need to come off as more confident, or because he's confident enough to pocket people, so I don't want to give too much credit to that theory personally

Also, although I get your perspective of 'confidence in reads could be coming from confidence after winning those games', personally that isn't my impression, it feels more like he's just town-reading people because he's trying to post content but struggling to genuinely find things suspicious/worthy of questioning as Mafia or wanting to pocket them, the 'confidence from champs' thing isn't something I sense personally either

UGH, STOP. Lol. That is not true. Where are you getting this impression? How can clarify anything I've said so far?

Just the ease you have with slapping down people as Town, it's very different to how you were in the champs. In champs you'd enter the thread with questions for basically everyone. Any town-reads you had always felt sort of thin, like you respected their ability to fake it, so you leaned Town but always wanted everyone to constantly be wary. This game you're just sort of throwing out town-reads and it feels like you're buddying with people, like when you said to someone 'we can solve this game together in both our town mindsets' or something along those lines.

I know this is a different forum and you know people well here, and that could be the explanation, it's just not something I feel right now, it just feels off to my gut, especially since colin also agreed and he's played before. I asked people who've played with you before if you are like this usually with people you know, though, and if it turns out you are then fair enough, but right now I'm suspicious of you

[Marmot]

Anyway I 100% hate that I have to read eight pages of shit during Day 0 how dare you.

Follow my lead and don't read a word of it.

[Infected_alien8_]

Also, although I get your perspective of 'confidence in reads could be coming from confidence after winning those games', personally that isn't my impression, it feels more like he's just town-reading people because he's trying to post content but struggling to genuinely find things suspicious/worthy of questioning as Mafia or wanting to pocket them, the 'confidence from champs' thing isn't something I sense personally either

I suspect the distance between us in this dialogue may stem as much from preconception as it does from philosophical or inferential disagreement. I understand your perspective and will see how thangs develop.

What did you mean by this? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean/don't understand the words you used haha

[Tangrowth]

MP7 Day 0 Rainbow List -- POE Style

Tsaiah

Infected_alien8
JaggedJimmyJay

abyssum
ColinIsCool
Kylemii
MacDougall
sprityo

DharmaHelper
Lunalee
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
Turnip Head

Alphabetical within groups. There's a lot of GTH here. Feel free to ask me about these.

I need to go, lol. Be back later. Best of luck in your hunting, everyone!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Feel mostly good about:

Infected alien

Why

Mac

Why

Jay, but less so

Why

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway I 100% hate that I have to read eight pages of shit during Day 0 how dare you.

Follow my lead and don't read a word of it.

I'm doing great so far.

[ColinIsCool]

I would strongly caution you away from using me as back-up for your beliefs too much. I’m a little out of my groove and have done some real dumb shit recently.

[Marmot]

Anyway I 100% hate that I have to read eight pages of shit during Day 0 how dare you.

Follow my lead and don't read a word of it.

I'm doing great so far.

[Spacedaisy]

@Spacedaisy come get your man he's having a nervous breakdown he's rambled about something called a rainbow list for at least 3 hours and theres no such thing anywhere in sight.

He’s your problem now.

[Marmot]

I may read this thread later after I've gotten another cup of coffee.

[DharmaHelper]

MP7 Day 0 Rainbow List -- POE Style

Tsaiah

Infected_alien8
JaggedJimmyJay

abyssum
ColinIsCool
Kylemii
MacDougall
sprityo

DharmaHelper
Lunalee
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
Turnip Head

Alphabetical within groups. There's a lot of GTH here. Feel free to ask me about these.

I need to go, lol. Be back later. Best of luck in your hunting, everyone!

Arbitrary Shiny "I'm A Civ" object to prove civhood.

[Infected_alien8_]

We'll have to try to chat more in real time another time Alien because I really have overstayed my time here. But I am destined to hammer this out with you because the impressions you are getting from me are mistaken, and I really don't want us to play another game where we're doing this, LOL.

Okay, see you later, and sorry if I really am tunnelling you when you're Town haha

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also, although I get your perspective of 'confidence in reads could be coming from confidence after winning those games', personally that isn't my impression, it feels more like he's just town-reading people because he's trying to post content but struggling to genuinely find things suspicious/worthy of questioning as Mafia or wanting to pocket them, the 'confidence from champs' thing isn't something I sense personally either

I suspect the distance between us in this dialogue may stem as much from preconception as it does from philosophical or inferential disagreement. I understand your perspective and will see how thangs develop.

What did you mean by this? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean/don't understand the words you used haha

We entered this conversation from opposite sides regarding MP reads. Our commentary is thus likely colored by those entry points as much as it reflects our current, developing takes.

[Marmot]

If Sockface gets 500 posts before Day 1 ends, I'm nightkilling his ass.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Arbitrary Shiny "I'm A Civ" object to prove civhood.

What makes you call it "arbitrary"?

[ColinIsCool]

Feel mostly good about:

Infected alien

Why

Mac

Why

Jay, but less so

Why

Alien’s hunting looks to be genuine and I think his stances aren’t contrived even if I don’t agree 1:1 with them. Mac’s D1 posts so far look exactly like his posts in Retro. You also appear to be playing with the same style as in Easter and other games, and I have a lot of experience with town-you — it’s the fact that I haven’t seen/don’t remember scum-you that gives me a great big ol’ pause. Pretty much all just tone reads, meta feelgoods, or appreciating genuine hunting until we get some heads cracked.

[DharmaHelper]

Arbitrary Shiny "I'm A Civ" object to prove civhood.

What makes you call it "arbitrary"?

Because all Rainbow lists are arbitrary by their nature.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Arbitrary Shiny "I'm A Civ" object to prove civhood.

What makes you call it "arbitrary"?

Because all Rainbow lists are arbitrary by their nature.

I'm looking forward to murdering you.

[sprityo]

Oof, trying to keep up with MP is like trying to keep up with Dunya, only I have a grudge on her and I like MP.

Henceforth I’m not gonna nitpick him. ESPECIALLY ON DAY ZERO

Marmot has a tempting offer on not reading but on the flipside if I don’t pay some attention to day one I’m gonna be drowning in 20+ pages of stuff by the time day 1 actually comes around

[ColinIsCool]

There must be a lot of other people bored at work today!

[sprityo]

Where’s Speedchuck when I need him?

There must be a lot of other people bored at work today!

It’s currently 10 pm and it’s my off day

[DharmaHelper]

I'm sure a lot of good shit is sandwiched in the last nine pages I just don't care. I'll read it when Day 1 starts I guess.

[Turnip Head]

Anyway I 100% hate that I have to read eight pages of shit during Day 0 how dare you.

Follow my lead and don't read a word of it.

townlock

[DharmaHelper]

By the end of Day 1 I will know the exact identity of the mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

By the end of Day 1 I will know the exact identity of the mafia.

Now that I believe.

[Tangrowth]

Just here for a second to say ISO links in the first post are updated. Looks like we're missing just Robot and Russ. Not bad considering we have over 24 hours in Day 0 still.

BBL again.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

MP7 Day 0 Rainbow List -- POE Style

Tsaiah

Infected_alien8
JaggedJimmyJay

abyssum
ColinIsCool
Kylemii
MacDougall
sprityo

DharmaHelper
Lunalee
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
Turnip Head

Alphabetical within groups. There's a lot of GTH here. Feel free to ask me about these.

I need to go, lol. Be back later. Best of luck in your hunting, everyone!

Also... I'm realizing that it's likely at least one of my green reads is garbage, but I don't give a fuck.

Alright. Bye for real. Lol. ahhhhh

[Turnip Head]

is he gone yet?

[abyssum]

Spoiler: show

MP7 Day 0 Rainbow List -- POE Style

Tsaiah

Infected_alien8
JaggedJimmyJay

abyssum
ColinIsCool
Kylemii
MacDougall
sprityo

DharmaHelper
Lunalee
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
Turnip Head

Alphabetical within groups. There's a lot of GTH here. Feel free to ask me about these.

I need to go, lol. Be back later. Best of luck in your hunting, everyone!

Also... I'm realizing that it's likely at least one of my green reads is garbage, but I don't give a fuck.

Alright. Bye for real. Lol. ahhhhh

it's sprityo me, isn't it? : (

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It certainly isn't me. I am universally green. It couldn't be more clear. I am JaggedJimmyJay.

[Marmot]

It certainly isn't me. I am universally green. It couldn't be more clear. I am JaggedJimmyJay.

I'll just assume everyone is the cop until they prove otherwise.

[ColinIsCool]

It certainly isn't me. I am universally green. It couldn't be more clear. I am JaggedJimmyJay.

I'll just assume everyone is the cop until they prove otherwise.

No, I’m Keith!

[abyssum]

Spoiler: show

Okay, thanks. So basically, you think it seems reasonable that he's confident due to his past games, and therefore, as a Townie, that confidence would translate into confident reads, whereas as Mafia he'd be more cautious?

That's my best guess, yes.

The nice thing about MP is that he is never going to stop posting, even when he shouldn't be posting, and we'll have every opportunity to critically assess whatever he is doing.

Alright, thanks. That perspective does make sense to me, but I can also see worlds where he does this as Mafia, either because he's aware he might need to come off as more confident, or because he's confident enough to pocket people, so I don't want to give too much credit to that theory personally

Also, although I get your perspective of 'confidence in reads could be coming from confidence after winning those games', personally that isn't my impression, it feels more like he's just town-reading people because he's trying to post content but struggling to genuinely find things suspicious/worthy of questioning as Mafia or wanting to pocket them, the 'confidence from champs' thing isn't something I sense personally either

UGH, STOP. Lol. That is not true. Where are you getting this impression? How can clarify anything I've said so far?

Just the ease you have with slapping down people as Town, it's very different to how you were in the champs. In champs you'd enter the thread with questions for basically everyone. Any town-reads you had always felt sort of thin, like you respected their ability to fake it, so you leaned Town but always wanted everyone to constantly be wary. This game you're just sort of throwing out town-reads and it feels like you're buddying with people, like when you said to someone 'we can solve this game together in both our town mindsets' or something along those lines.

I know this is a different forum and you know people well here, and that could be the explanation, it's just not something I feel right now, it just feels off to my gut, especially since colin also agreed and he's played before. I asked people who've played with you before if you are like this usually with people you know, though, and if it turns out you are then fair enough, but right now I'm suspicious of you

/butts in

maybe this is a difference in perspectives. one of the reasons that i started townreading MP7 in champs was because the way that he was acting in the thread made sense for a townie to act; he was clearly at a disadvantage meta-wise, regardless of alignment, but what i saw him doing there was peppering people with questions that allowed him to gain back some footing. he was leveling questions that allowed him to gain some of that meta secondhand.

it's not just that he had questions for people, it was the nature of the questions that mattered there. i don't think he'd have the same incentive to constantly throw out questions for the players here since he has a much greater degree of familiarity and personal meta with everybody here. what sort of questions would you expect him to be asking in this arena--the same type of questions?

also, i will say that i think that the ease with which he's been putting people down as town is actually similar to the way he did it with me in WC. that was a special case, but potentially still relevant

[Marmot]

It certainly isn't me. I am universally green. It couldn't be more clear. I am JaggedJimmyJay.

I'll just assume everyone is the cop until they prove otherwise.

No, I’m Keith!

#scumslip

[abyssum]

By the end of Day 1 I will know the exact identity of the mafia.

some might say you know it even now!

[Kylemii]

@Tsaiah I've been playing mafia since like 2009 off and on, mostly off. I'm from the forum that became the forum that became this forum. i'm thoroughly average at mafia but I'm mainly really bad early game and tend to follow others to start out with and then later once the shit begins going down i'm pretty okay, almost good, if you squint. is there anything else that you'd like to know

@Kylemii

Ooh, thanks!

Heh, that's a lot of forum-begat-forum. Have you played with a lot of the non newb people here? Anyone notable you work with historically well, or anyone you don't?

yeah, other than the new people I mentioned I've played with everyone else at least a few times. I'm not sure about russtifinko. I get along with everyone at least moderately well

When you follow others, how do you go about deciding who best to follow?

I follow ideas rather than players, if I find a lot of players mentioning someone I'll check em out to see if I agree or if I see anything that sticks out to me as alignment indicative

How experienced are you with late-to-endgame playing?

probably average?

Do you often underestimate yourself? :3

no, i think im fairly realistic about my capabilities, but i also metagame a little early on in most games. I'm aware of what my weaknesses are as mafia so i countersteer a little as a civ to make sure those things are less obvious when mafia. but sometimes i think maybe that's just an excuse I make to keep myself from needing to improve?

[Tangrowth]

Ahhhh I have a serious problem

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Okay, thanks. So basically, you think it seems reasonable that he's confident due to his past games, and therefore, as a Townie, that confidence would translate into confident reads, whereas as Mafia he'd be more cautious?

That's my best guess, yes.

The nice thing about MP is that he is never going to stop posting, even when he shouldn't be posting, and we'll have every opportunity to critically assess whatever he is doing.

Alright, thanks. That perspective does make sense to me, but I can also see worlds where he does this as Mafia, either because he's aware he might need to come off as more confident, or because he's confident enough to pocket people, so I don't want to give too much credit to that theory personally

Also, although I get your perspective of 'confidence in reads could be coming from confidence after winning those games', personally that isn't my impression, it feels more like he's just town-reading people because he's trying to post content but struggling to genuinely find things suspicious/worthy of questioning as Mafia or wanting to pocket them, the 'confidence from champs' thing isn't something I sense personally either

UGH, STOP. Lol. That is not true. Where are you getting this impression? How can clarify anything I've said so far?

Just the ease you have with slapping down people as Town, it's very different to how you were in the champs. In champs you'd enter the thread with questions for basically everyone. Any town-reads you had always felt sort of thin, like you respected their ability to fake it, so you leaned Town but always wanted everyone to constantly be wary. This game you're just sort of throwing out town-reads and it feels like you're buddying with people, like when you said to someone 'we can solve this game together in both our town mindsets' or something along those lines.

I know this is a different forum and you know people well here, and that could be the explanation, it's just not something I feel right now, it just feels off to my gut, especially since colin also agreed and he's played before. I asked people who've played with you before if you are like this usually with people you know, though, and if it turns out you are then fair enough, but right now I'm suspicious of you
[/quote]

Ahhhhh buddying

I AM NOT BUDDYING ANYONE *sad face*

I’m just trying to progress the game forward in any way I can and I think there has been a decent amount of reasons to read most players in this game town

I will certainly raise the bar as the phase progresses and continue reassessing ALL OF YOU ALL THE TIME

[Tangrowth]

Oops I fucked that up sorry everyone

Damn phone

[Tangrowth]

And Colin always suspects me he doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[Tangrowth]

Look WIFOM alert and all of that but if I was scum I could easily find a reason to scum read any of you right now if I really wanted to

I also would be actually floundering to some extent of I was scum

This is not floundering at all I am developing townreads at a dizzying pace and I am proud of that

I care less about being wrong than maybe I usually do so maybe that’s part of it

[Tangrowth]

Anyway I 100% hate that I have to read eight pages of shit during Day 0 how dare you.

Follow my lead and don't read a word of it.

Marmot I need you, where are you supatown Marmot

[Tangrowth]

Paging supatown Marmot where are you

[Tangrowth]

I would strongly caution you away from using me as back-up for your beliefs too much. I’m a little out of my groove and have done some real dumb shit recently.

This reads genuine to me

[Tangrowth]

MP7 Day 0 Rainbow List -- POE Style

Tsaiah

Infected_alien8
JaggedJimmyJay

abyssum
ColinIsCool
Kylemii
MacDougall
sprityo

DharmaHelper
Lunalee
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
Turnip Head

Alphabetical within groups. There's a lot of GTH here. Feel free to ask me about these.

I need to go, lol. Be back later. Best of luck in your hunting, everyone!

Arbitrary Shiny "I'm A Civ" object to prove civhood.

Lol actually come at me or GTFO

[Tangrowth]

We'll have to try to chat more in real time another time Alien because I really have overstayed my time here. But I am destined to hammer this out with you because the impressions you are getting from me are mistaken, and I really don't want us to play another game where we're doing this, LOL.

Okay, see you later, and sorry if I really am tunnelling you when you're Town haha

Never apologize for pursuing something you believe in good sir

I appreciate you regardless and it’s a real pleasure to have you here

[Tangrowth]

If Sockface gets 500 posts before Day 1 ends, I'm nightkilling his ass.

Nooooo pleaseee I will cry if I die N1

[Tangrowth]

Arbitrary Shiny "I'm A Civ" object to prove civhood.

What makes you call it "arbitrary"?

Because all Rainbow lists are arbitrary by their nature.

Lolololol I missed you too bud