DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[RobotNerd277]

Whoops I kinda derped and MP reminded me of the existence of this game a few days ago but I still dropped the ball on checking when it would actually start but I'm here now.

Anyways, hi, checking in, gonna read the thread now.

Welcome RobotNerd! Pleasure to meet you. Good luck with catching up. For the highlights see DharmaHelper's posts

I'll iso them as soon as I at least skim the whole thread, which might be a little while (I'm heading out to donate blood soon)

Spoiler: show

I'm like 60% sure that was a joke but I really can't tell

[RobotNerd277]

Also Robot I didn't know you were one of the founders of FR! I would have changed your homesite to that then.

Super cool either way. I'll be playing over there in due time.

I'm not sure I'd call it my homesite. By quantity of games it's either MSPA or MIT. I haven't played a game on FR since early 2016 at the earliest. It was neither my first nor deepest site. I'd say MSPA is my homesite, if pressed.

[Tangrowth]

Also Robot I didn't know you were one of the founders of FR! I would have changed your homesite to that then.

Super cool either way. I'll be playing over there in due time.

I'm not sure I'd call it my homesite. By quantity of games it's either MSPA or MIT. I haven't played a game on FR since early 2016 at the earliest. It was neither my first nor deepest site. I'd say MSPA is my homesite, if pressed.

Good to know, duly noted!

[Tangrowth]

Alright, Sockface is back, because why not?

But now I have to concentrate more on work again, but I'll be poking my head in and out of here... probably too often. Enjoy posting without me spamming for a little while.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That said, I really feel like Mac's posts were town last night. They oozed authenticity. Jay, what did you think?

I might have felt that way if they'd not come from MacDougall. I don't think he looks worse, and I am not extremely interested in lynching him right now, but I still do not share your enthusiasm or perception of "oozing authenticity". Indeed, if there's anyone on this player list who I'd be least inclined to award points for being so transparent as "I faked my reads to adhere to my town meta", it would be MacDougall. Mac has long been a proponent of being a mafioso right in your face, both for its WIFOM value and because it tends to work in this environment (I would cite GOC 2015 and perhaps Buffy the Vampire Slayer for a more recent example).

[Infected_alien8_]

Hey guys, catching up now, I'll post responses one at a time this time to prevent walls.

I do have one comment.

The suggestion that I am to have "scum-slipped" while not understanding the how of it rings false to me. I cannot think of a scenario in which I have ever made a clumsy post as scum and not known immediately afterwards in every way that it could be construed as scum, so to claim I don't understand my own scum slip is a fairly adventurous call. I am meticulous with my posting as scum and will draft and redress all my posts constantly so for me even scum slip would be rare let alone scum slip and not know how.

I would have thought that Jay wouldn't entertain the notion that Mafia Mac is that clumsy, hence why I think it reflects worse on him.

I actually really like this point. When I'm a baddie, I tend to triple- or quadruple-read my posts and edit endlessly to avoid being caught. (This is probably why I vote earlier as a baddie - posting under pressure is that much more stressful.) I guess the fact that scum slips occur means either 1) not everyone does this or 2) people don't see their own slips even after edits, but it does make sense to me that an experienced player like Mac would know better. I tend to associate scumslips with certain players in particular, and Mac isn't one of them. I don't think it's a bad look for anyone that pointed it out, and I do think of Mac as a strong NO U-er. The one thing that looks bad to me about the whole thing is the original accuser (Someone help - was it Alien?) making a post after Mac responded that, to paraphrase said, "Well, I didn't say it was a scummy thing to say, just that it could be scummy. That is just crazy waffle-y, and furthermore it reads as a bit of pre-emptive defense since no one was going after him(/her? it?) about it.

The more I think about it, the less I like it. "I thought Mac scum slipped." seems like a pretty easy way out of a revenge lynch. Does the accuser (again, I think Alien, but I lost the post) know Mac? If not, I think it's possible Alien was throwing out things to see what stuck, and was surprised by the vehemence of Mac's response. Which a well-meaning civ could do to fish for baddies, but in combination with the waffling is fishy. (Eww, fish and waffles.)

Then there's this...

Okay one more post.

This might make me look bad but fuck it, it's important to be honest. Jay was right. My gut reads were less than inspired in this game compared to the normal. I just got mislynched on day 1 in the Firefly game for not seeming like myself because everyone has such a fixed meta understanding of what "town Mac" looks like that I felt obligated to do it.

How do you know your reads are uninspired?? It's not even Day 1 yet! This is a weird thing to say.

I am pointing out any little thing I don't like and hammering the point home until I am satisfied (if ever). If you expect anything less than that after Ass Class, then you need to seriously re-orient your assumptions.

What is Ass Class? Asking for a friend.

I didn't say I thought he slipped, I said I thought he possibly slipped, and that I didn't think it was genuinely a slip myself because he seemed Town other than that and my gut says it wasn't, but I wanted to point it out anyway to see if anyone else made anything of it. I didn't want to act like I thought he was genuinely slipping because I didn't, and I didn't see the point of pressuring him to think I did other than to make us have a pointless debate about it.

[Tsaiah]

DharmaHelper and Colin are probs bad. Jay is bad at Mafia. The rest of you have a hall pass for now. Those who haven't checked in should be lynched randomly and consecutively starting right now and we probably win the game really easily. But instead we will probably lynch those that are posting as is the weakness of the civilians in every game.

God, i feel like there should be something in this post that could let me get a read, if i could just dig it out

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] (sorry for all the pings, please tell me to stop if necessary)

Explain what's behind these reads? Let me in your head, please

And did you just advocate for lynching the people not here yet because they weren't here, or because you think most people already posting were townie, or what, exactly? (Related: didn't you just scumread two of the people who were already posting?)

[Infected_alien8_]

@abyssum -- ISO
@Infected_alien8_
@JaggedJimmyJay
@RobotNerd277
@Russtifinko

plz also tell me ur history?

I changed my mind on Kyle again. I don’t like this post. Even if he receives thorough responses from each of these people about their “history”, I have my doubts that he’d be likely to apply it to his hunting. It’s a question being asked for the sake of asking a question.

Inclined to agree with this, it's something I thought as well but forgot about it, I'm not sure why knowing everyone's history is that helpful and it seems a bit like busy work

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also Robot I didn't know you were one of the founders of FR! I would have changed your homesite to that then.

Super cool either way. I'll be playing over there in due time.

I'm not sure I'd call it my homesite. By quantity of games it's either MSPA or MIT. I haven't played a game on FR since early 2016 at the earliest. It was neither my first nor deepest site. I'd say MSPA is my homesite, if pressed.

Isn't MSPA like... dead?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Like I'm pretty sure the game forum was shut down in 2013-ish and the whole thing imploded in 2016.

[Infected_alien8_]

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

I get a bad vibe from this post. It feels like a bit of a forced read? Like, it's so easy to find what Turnip did as suspicious but gut-wise I just don't see it as suspicious at all because it's so obviously suspicious, yet Luna is sinking her teeth into it a bit here. This combined with her saying I have a commentary vibe to my posts with little opinions, which I disagree with and makes me wonder if her read there is genuine too, makes me suspicious of her.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also you have a Gunnerkrigg avatar and started playing mafia in a Homestuck forum. Nice to see a fellow webcomic fan.

[RobotNerd277]

yeah, super dead. extremely exploded. still where I've probably played the most mafia by hours, though, it's pretty likely MIT is surpassing MSPA in number of hours I've played. not sure.

[Infected_alien8_]

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

Why would you consider yourself an "easy" townie lynch?

Why did you ask this by the way?

[Infected_alien8_]

Whoops I kinda derped and MP reminded me of the existence of this game a few days ago but I still dropped the ball on checking when it would actually start but I'm here now.

Anyways, hi, checking in, gonna read the thread now.

Robo! Hello! How are you, it's great to see you again!

[Infected_alien8_]

Lol, what timing.

What makes you assess his poo flinging so far as fake? As you and I both know, it's in character as either alignment. What should I be looking for re: Mac this early? Give me all of your thoughts, Jay.

Poo flinging is great. We should all do it. It should also bear some kind of capacity for response, or at least be traceable to some tangible inspiration. Mac's poo is randomized. I have no idea why those posts he highlighted suggested the alignments he tacked onto them.

Sorry Jay I was unaware that you had evolved your requirements of my basic day 1 101 gameplay to introduce this new attribute that now gives you justification to make meta reads that you never have before. Allow me to update my core programming to give no fucks.

@MacDougall
What, to your mind, does the part you bolded have to do with meta reads?

I read that part as "any flung poo should be of the kind that elicits actual responses/discussion, or at least give people an idea of where said poo flinger is coming from"

I'm liking Tsaiah's questions so far, they read like they're genuinely trying to figure things out. Not going to give too many townie points for it but it makes me feel comfortable having a slight town read on them still.

Can you talk about tsaiah's meta please @abyssum ?

[Infected_alien8_]

Robot's giant catchup post part 1 (pages 1-4)

This site is a lot more heavy on NP interaction with the thread than any other site I've seen. That's kinda neat.

And of course MP is interacting with everyone all the time. You seem a lot more in your element here than d1 of g9.

I wonder what the beef between DH and MP is? It looks to me like a joke.

So, I'm trying to figure out how to read most of the people here. I vaguely remember Tsaiah being a particularly excitable friend, and I feel like I have a reasonable grip on MP's playstyle after g9 (that is, make ALL THE POSTS, (even when scum because I did a little research during that game)), but I don't really know much about how others play, though I have spent time with abyssum on the flight rising mafia discord.

After what point do the beginning-of-game jokes end? In particular, I'm trying to get a read on MacDougall, but maybe they're just too hard because they're A Jokester TM.

I think I like Kylemii. Not sure why. (Apparently MP agrees)

I... am really skeeved by post #89 from MP, except that it's in character? What I specifically don't like is that it positions him as "A Very Useful Person That You Implicitly Should Not Lynch," which idk, is a strategy I employed a bunch as scum on flight rising, but I think that's just How MP Is.

Spoiler: show

So I’m the only player to have experience and/or history with every other player here. I can provide meta and such if necessary. I prefer not to rely on it much though. But feel free to ask me and I will provide opinions on whatever assuming I haven’t already.

oh god that was only page 2. I gotta skim faster

okay phew the beef with MP and DH was just A Joke. Very agree with the Tsaiah love. Tsaiah is purer than snow generated from distilled water.

okay the reason I like kylemmi is because they're also a robot from the future sent to play mafia. high five! o/

@kylemii but actually, my history is that I've been playing mafia across many different sites since 2012, most recently of which was mafiauniverse, but like, I was one of the founding members of flightrising's mafia community, and I play a bunch at my school. I know a bunch of mafia players scattered around the web I think.

whoop tsaiah stole my lightning :<

Spoiler: show

Now tell me about you!

no one's ever asked me this before!

i'm kylemii, and this account is actually run by a forum bot created by long con in 20010 as a programming challenge to create the ultimate mafia playing bot. i am barely able to play mafia, but i do my best.

xD

Robotnerd's gonna like you

I rescind my previous comment on MP7 acting "too valuable to lynch." He actually posted meta thoughts on every player, nullifying that argument. I'm keeping it in this post though because that's how stream of conciousness works.

I'm gonna keep reading forward through the thread immediately but this file is getting too long already.

What about M Plus 7 posting his meta reads nullified your argument about him making himself seem too valuable to lynch?

[Infected_alien8_]

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention], could you venture a guess at what an impure Tsaiah might look like?

[Infected_alien8_]

Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

[Tsaiah]

Everything MP does makes me think he’s town, but if he just wrote a 6-page MLA double spaced essay where he buddied every single player, he is a MADMAN.

Can I get people with experience to comment on the following players as scum in similar style to MP:

JaggedJimmyJay
Mac
MP
RobotNerd
Tsaiah
Russtifinko
DharmaHelper
Turnip Head
Anyone else for whom this is their first game here

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]

Abyssum is who i have the most experience with by far, primarily with them as town, but i have played with them when they were scum/specced their other scum games; they can fake tone, but i'm not sure they can replicate their town organicness of flow/progression, or really their willingness to say most any damn thing they think, either. xD They have very limited scum experience compared to town (and off-homesite experience period, ftr...this is their third game outside of FR, after the two champs games on MU)

Alien i only know from speccing his two champs games; he seemed most notably different in his willingness to spout more reads, iso the @#$% out of people more often, and bore holes thru them with his points, as town

Robotnerd i've specced as town a couple of times recently; seen them as scum early (and memorably xD) on FR, where they had great tone but their posts were full of misdirection, really old meta tho

M Plus 7 i've only skimmed a bit of his previous scumgames, but harrrrd specced his champs games, so i don't have any real specifics for his scum vs his town play, tho i feel like i know his town play pretty damn well. We've since become friends, and talked a good bit about mafia, but most importantly, i feel like i have a really good handle on the way his mind works (more on this once i work my way forward to a specific Jay post i have in mind)

[ColinIsCool]

I’m officially in the “why the fuck are there so many posts on Day 0” camp

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That it is currently "Day 0" is merely a matter of thread title. It is essentially an extended Day 1. Voting will begin relatively soon. Play the dang thing like it's Day 1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I compiled a quick list of names for players who have put something in this thread now, but I don't recall seeing a lot of reads on them off-hand.

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
sprityo
Turnip Head

Tell me where these people stand in your game view. I will consider the same.

[Tangrowth]

Toilet posting so I’m here LOL

I really haven’t exited Champs posting mode.

[Tangrowth]

That said, I really feel like Mac's posts were town last night. They oozed authenticity. Jay, what did you think?

I might have felt that way if they'd not come from MacDougall. I don't think he looks worse, and I am not extremely interested in lynching him right now, but I still do not share your enthusiasm or perception of "oozing authenticity". Indeed, if there's anyone on this player list who I'd be least inclined to award points for being so transparent as "I faked my reads to adhere to my town meta", it would be MacDougall. Mac has long been a proponent of being a mafioso right in your face, both for its WIFOM value and because it tends to work in this environment (I would cite GOC 2015 and perhaps Buffy the Vampire Slayer for a more recent example).

Yeah well... that’s pretty fair. It just reads really genuine to me. You’re right though that if anyone could fake stuff like that it would Mac but shouldn’t we still try to assess him at face value?

[Infected_alien8_]

Colin - light Town although I don't remember why I have that in my head
Kyle - I don't remember any of their posts, null read
Marmot - Same as Kyle
Robot - Null, nothing alignment-indicative so far
Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually
Spirit - Same as Kyle and Marmot
Turnip - Same as Robot

[Tangrowth]

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

I get a bad vibe from this post. It feels like a bit of a forced read? Like, it's so easy to find what Turnip did as suspicious but gut-wise I just don't see it as suspicious at all because it's so obviously suspicious, yet Luna is sinking her teeth into it a bit here. This combined with her saying I have a commentary vibe to my posts with little opinions, which I disagree with and makes me wonder if her read there is genuine too, makes me suspicious of her.

Well I can see this perspective too.

I’ve led many an ML on Luna so now is the time I throw my hands up in the air lol.

[Tsaiah]

MP
Tsaiah

You ain't posted yet, shit

Kyle
Colin

Mac
abyssum
DH

I forgot that you actually suck at Mafia now. Sucks to be you.

My reads aren’t terribly different from those you’ve provided. Also you know I’m a civilian.

Hi yes this, re: the bolded

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] , what reads do you/did you disagree with here besides the read on you?

Or does Jay just "suck at mafia" because he's scumreading you?

[ColinIsCool]

I compiled a quick list of names for players who have put something in this thread now, but I don't recall seeing a lot of reads on them off-hand.

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
sprityo
Turnip Head

Tell me where these people stand in your game view. I will consider the same.

I have almost no significant reads of any of them. Kyle is playing perfectly within his town meta but it’s a meta deliberately designed to help him as scum. Turnip Head is as imscrutable as ever and is unlikely to attract my ire unless he leaves evidence of wrongdoing — substance, not style. Colin is obviously town. RobotNerd felt alright.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah well... that’s pretty fair. It just reads really genuine to me. You’re right though that if anyone could fake stuff like that it would Mac but shouldn’t we still try to assess him at face value?

Yes, we should. For the moment I am content to monitor Mac's progress and judge accordingly.

[Tangrowth]

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

Ughhhh

Look Alien I never know anyone’s alignment 100%

If anything for me as a person it’s tough for me to feel confident about anything especially making assessments like this

I’ve decided that I’m a better player when I make assessments and stick to them instead of constantly second guessing myself and never arriving at any reads

My strongpoint is identifying town reads and crunching via POE

Those town reads will be reassessed with every single post

Yes I’m incredibly confident right now in tsaiah being town because I feel it in my gut

Will I feel that way on d1? Who knows because I will keep reassessing her content

If you think I’m throwing out reads too confidently and it makes me scum I don’t know what else to say because honestly the buddying accusation is garbage and I’ve gotten it my whole mafia career and the reality is I’m much more likely to keep my options open when scum than town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

[Infected_alien8_]

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

Ughhhh

Look Alien I never know anyone’s alignment 100%

If anything for me as a person it’s tough for me to feel confident about anything especially making assessments like this

I’ve decided that I’m a better player when I make assessments and stick to them instead of constantly second guessing myself and never arriving at any reads

My strongpoint is identifying town reads and crunching via POE

Those town reads will be reassessed with every single post

Yes I’m incredibly confident right now in tsaiah being town because I feel it in my gut

Will I feel that way on d1? Who knows because I will keep reassessing her content

If you think I’m throwing out reads too confidently and it makes me scum I don’t know what else to say because honestly the buddying accusation is garbage and I’ve gotten it my whole mafia career and the reality is I’m much more likely to keep my options open when scum than town

I guess that makes sense, it's just drastically different to how you were in the other games, you have no sense of paranoia about you at all. It might just be because it's not a champs game anymore or something but it just feels really off and I can't ignore it because I haven't seen anything from you yet that makes me think you're Town, so I guess I'll just keep observing and questioning you to see if that changes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One note: given the generally positive vibes I am getting from the most active core of play so far, I am finding the "null" players to be, by default, more suspicious than null. At this point if I have no concrete reason to see someone as a civilian or a mafioso, that's a bad thing.

[Infected_alien8_]

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

Actually I can see that, I too was kind of confused as to where he was going with that, it felt like he was going to say that if I knew him it'd be worse for me because he said it would be a good 'revenge lynch', but then suddenly it was the opposite and I didn't quite feel like I was riding his thought process with him very well, which could be a sign he was kind of making it up as he went along I guess?

[Infected_alien8_]

Russ can you elaborate on what you meant about the revenge lynch thing?

[Tangrowth]

And I should clarify

Tsaiah and I played the hydra game here even though she never posted and was able to play because she got deathly sick I have talked to her rather often about mafia

Further she was scum in the game we played on DLP at the same time and I have actually seen her as scum but she had to sub out (same timing because of getting sick)

I was immediately cautious of her in that game though it’s tough to know exactly how it would have gone

I can already sense a HUGE difference in the way she’s approaching the game here than she did there and based on our conversations

I also feel like I have a pretty good idea of how HER brain works and so far everything read like a genuine townie with no information excited to solve the game

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

Actually I can see that, I too was kind of confused as to where he was going with that, it felt like he was going to say that if I knew him it'd be worse for me because he said it would be a good 'revenge lynch', but then suddenly it was the opposite and I didn't quite feel like I was riding his thought process with him very well, which could be a sign he was kind of making it up as he went along I guess?

What about his commentary initially struck you as genuine?

[Turnip Head]

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

Why would you consider yourself an "easy" townie lynch?

Why did you ask this by the way?

I wanted to make a more particular point but couldn't figure out how to phrase it. To me it felt like 5 people in a row complimented Luna's reads before I butted in, so I was wondering how she had that impression of my motive.

You articulated my thoughts pretty well up there tho ^ ^

[Infected_alien8_]

And I should clarify

Tsaiah and I played the hydra game here even though she never posted and was able to play because she got deathly sick I have talked to her rather often about mafia

Further she was scum in the game we played on DLP at the same time and I have actually seen her as scum but she had to sub out (same timing because of getting sick)

I was immediately cautious of her in that game though it’s tough to know exactly how it would have gone

I can already sense a HUGE difference in the way she’s approaching the game here than she did there and based on our conversations

I also feel like I have a pretty good idea of how HER brain works and so far everything read like a genuine townie with no information excited to solve the game

Can you go into detail about this please? What differences can you sense, what about your conversations is informing your read etc?

[Tangrowth]

Okay, back at computer, guess I'm going to get sucked in here for a bit, but then I really need to work some more again. Give me a second and I'll try to fully catch up.

[Infected_alien8_]

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

Actually I can see that, I too was kind of confused as to where he was going with that, it felt like he was going to say that if I knew him it'd be worse for me because he said it would be a good 'revenge lynch', but then suddenly it was the opposite and I didn't quite feel like I was riding his thought process with him very well, which could be a sign he was kind of making it up as he went along I guess?

What about his commentary initially struck you as genuine?

It was just a gut thing really, like when I read it I didn't get the impression it was forced or convulted, it didn't feel awkward, the bit surprising me when he said it was worse that I didn't know Mac confused me but I didn't really think anything of it other than 'oh I was expecting the opposite' until you said that

[Tangrowth]

M Plus 7, could you venture a guess at what an impure Tsaiah might look like?

Absolutely.

The TL;DR of it is basically that she would be less solvy and present in the thread than she is right now, focused much more on fluffy conversations.

[Tangrowth]

Tinfoil thought:

Jay and Alien are scummates.

[Tangrowth]

Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

I'm increasingly wondering whether you actually suspect me.

[Tsaiah]

You know

I think maybe there is a discernable thing i saw different in skimming M Plus 7's scumgame during his qualifier

I'll havta go look again and see

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] gimme scumgames on the syndicate pls n thx
I don't wanna dig thru your mu isos (plus i remember some links being now inaccessible in wcs)

No hurry tho, i'm gonna finish catching up and take a break first, might not get to that til tomorrow

(And no, i'm not telling you what i'm looking for )

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tinfoil thought:

Jay and Alien are scummates.

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[Tangrowth]

M Plus 7 i've only skimmed a bit of his previous scumgames, but harrrrd specced his champs games, so i don't have any real specifics for his scum vs his town play, tho i feel like i know his town play pretty damn well. We've since become friends, and talked a good bit about mafia, but most importantly, i feel like i have a really good handle on the way his mind works (more on this once i work my way forward to a specific Jay post i have in mind)

HIGH FIVE

[Infected_alien8_]

Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

I'm increasingly wondering whether you actually suspect me.

Why's that?