RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:36 pm
I mean, I was the one asking Luna to force reads
fite me irl alien
fwiw, I have a similar take on the exchange to Luna. The swing and back-off paradigm is a bit aggro, and mac's reaction feels pretty solid and genuine.
linki: I am also curious as to what mp thinks of me
Well you asked her for her opinion on it, she could have said 'not sure', but it feels to me like she felt the need to force a read, probably to not look suspicious
What do you mean by "The swing and back-off paradigm is a bit aggro"?
Also I think you missed my post earlier but hi! How are you doing?
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:54 pm
@Lunalee
I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.
Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.
But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back: swing 1 back-down 1 swing 2 back-down 2
Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
His backdown #2 wasn't him going back on his reads though, it was him wanting to move on from stating his case because it was taxing argueing
This also feels a bit like a forced read to me, it feels like you're struggling for what to say, so you're just trying to find something you could say is suspicious, because I don't think your quotes match into your argument very well so it reads as if you made the case first and then tried to fit things into it as opposed to working bottom-up and seeing it first and then making the case
I felt like back down 2 was Sprityo attempting to shut the door on the whole issue, because he didn't want to continue engaging with Mac.
I did force myself to make a read of Mac and sprit (if that's what you mean), but I didn't have a conclusion going into it. It sort of evolved. Where else do my quotes not make since to you? I may have messed them up, or if not I can try to clarify.
I agree it's sprit trying to move on, I don't agree it was 'backing down' though, he was shutting himself off from argueing anymore about it but maintaining his stance
And no it was just that part, it feels like you were trying to twist what he did into some sort of case where you say he keeps backing down even though I don't think it fits properly
Also @M Plus 7 what do you think of robot this game right now? Hopefully that tag works but it didn't come up with the option menu thing so I'm not sure
Okay, thanks for the response. I have a different way of looking at things, and that's the way I saw Sprit's actions.
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RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:54 pm
@Lunalee
I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.
Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.
But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back: swing 1 back-down 1 swing 2 back-down 2
Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
His backdown #2 wasn't him going back on his reads though, it was him wanting to move on from stating his case because it was taxing argueing
This also feels a bit like a forced read to me, it feels like you're struggling for what to say, so you're just trying to find something you could say is suspicious, because I don't think your quotes match into your argument very well so it reads as if you made the case first and then tried to fit things into it as opposed to working bottom-up and seeing it first and then making the case
I felt like back down 2 was Sprityo attempting to shut the door on the whole issue, because he didn't want to continue engaging with Mac.
I did force myself to make a read of Mac and sprit (if that's what you mean), but I didn't have a conclusion going into it. It sort of evolved. Where else do my quotes not make since to you? I may have messed them up, or if not I can try to clarify.
I agree it's sprit trying to move on, I don't agree it was 'backing down' though, he was shutting himself off from argueing anymore about it but maintaining his stance
And no it was just that part, it feels like you were trying to twist what he did into some sort of case where you say he keeps backing down even though I don't think it fits properly
Also @M Plus 7 what do you think of robot this game right now? Hopefully that tag works but it didn't come up with the option menu thing so I'm not sure
Okay, thanks for the response. I have a different way of looking at things, and that's the way I saw Sprit's actions.
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I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:36 pm
I mean, I was the one asking Luna to force reads
fite me irl alien
fwiw, I have a similar take on the exchange to Luna. The swing and back-off paradigm is a bit aggro, and mac's reaction feels pretty solid and genuine.
linki: I am also curious as to what mp thinks of me
Well you asked her for her opinion on it, she could have said 'not sure', but it feels to me like she felt the need to force a read, probably to not look suspicious
What do you mean by "The swing and back-off paradigm is a bit aggro"?
Also I think you missed my post earlier but hi! How are you doing?
rip. my previous post was in reference to this one
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
So you agree it looks like she's forcing reads?
Personally I see it as inherently anti-town to force reads if you're Town. It's lying about what you think, which is counter productive. The most likely way I can see her forcing reads is if she's Mafia and is fine with lying because her objective isn't at risk by doing that. As Town I don't understand why she's pretend to suspect someone if she didn't. Maybe she is Town and just did really feel under pressure there to be useful I guess, it's possible. But I find it much more likely it's the latter, if she did in fact force that read, which right now I think she probably did.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:11 pm
Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
this looks very upfront to me imo
I think you're digging where there's nothing to dig. It's really not that deep.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:36 am
Infected_alien8_ I guess I just don't really understand what your initial concern was with my history questions in the first place. like i see where you say "yes, I am also curious about that am waiting for a response" and where you said "cool, nice answer". I don't really understand what were you looking for. what kind of answer wouldn't have satisfied you?
I thought you were scumhunting/town hunting, or trying to look like you were at least, with that question, and I couldn't understand where you were going with it to sort anyone's alignment. So you saying that it was mainly just to make us feel welcome and get into the game made sense and so I'm fine with your answer.
An answer that wouldn't have satisfied me would have been one where you tried to insist it was helping you form a read on us that I didn't find genuine.
did you have that impression of my getting-to-know-you posts before Jay's commentary?
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
So you agree it looks like she's forcing reads?
Personally I see it as inherently anti-town to force reads if you're Town. It's lying about what you think, which is counter productive. The most likely way I can see her forcing reads is if she's Mafia and is fine with lying because her objective isn't at risk by doing that. As Town I don't understand why she's pretend to suspect someone if she didn't. Maybe she is Town and just did really feel under pressure there to be useful I guess, it's possible. But I find it much more likely it's the latter, if she did in fact force that read, which right now I think she probably did.
I said at the conclusion "If I had to pick scum between Mac and sprityo, I would choose sprityo" This is a Gun-to-head read. It's actually pretty normal for town.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:11 pm
Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
this looks very upfront to me imo
I think you're digging where there's nothing to dig. It's really not that deep.
@Lunalee
My bad, I should have said there's nothing to dig into when you asked my opinion
the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was letting people think that putting commentary inside of a big quotation abd changing the text color instead of just breaking up the quote with quote tags was an acceptable way to format a long response
Fell asleep for like 7 hours, woke up around when i usually go to bed, fell back asleep, woke up even more confused, fell back asleep for a few more hours xD
Fortunately I'm off today too, loool
Think i'm just gonna read the stuff i haven't read at all first, for keeping-up-with sanity
Then finish whatever original timewarp stuff is still relevant xD
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:11 pm
Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
this looks very upfront to me imo
I think you're digging where there's nothing to dig. It's really not that deep.
@Lunalee
Very upfront?
Why do you think I'm digging where there's nothing to dig?
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:36 am
Infected_alien8_ I guess I just don't really understand what your initial concern was with my history questions in the first place. like i see where you say "yes, I am also curious about that am waiting for a response" and where you said "cool, nice answer". I don't really understand what were you looking for. what kind of answer wouldn't have satisfied you?
I thought you were scumhunting/town hunting, or trying to look like you were at least, with that question, and I couldn't understand where you were going with it to sort anyone's alignment. So you saying that it was mainly just to make us feel welcome and get into the game made sense and so I'm fine with your answer.
An answer that wouldn't have satisfied me would have been one where you tried to insist it was helping you form a read on us that I didn't find genuine.
did you have that impression of my getting-to-know-you posts before Jay's commentary?
Yes, but I forgot about until Jay brought it up again if I remember correctly
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
So you agree it looks like she's forcing reads?
Personally I see it as inherently anti-town to force reads if you're Town. It's lying about what you think, which is counter productive. The most likely way I can see her forcing reads is if she's Mafia and is fine with lying because her objective isn't at risk by doing that. As Town I don't understand why she's pretend to suspect someone if she didn't. Maybe she is Town and just did really feel under pressure there to be useful I guess, it's possible. But I find it much more likely it's the latter, if she did in fact force that read, which right now I think she probably did.
I said at the conclusion "If I had to pick scum between Mac and sprityo, I would choose sprityo" This is a Gun-to-head read. It's actually pretty normal for town.
It wasn't the conclusion in isolation that felt like was forced, more like you felt forced you had to say something about it to have an opinion other than being completely neutral on it.
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
So you agree it looks like she's forcing reads?
Personally I see it as inherently anti-town to force reads if you're Town. It's lying about what you think, which is counter productive. The most likely way I can see her forcing reads is if she's Mafia and is fine with lying because her objective isn't at risk by doing that. As Town I don't understand why she's pretend to suspect someone if she didn't. Maybe she is Town and just did really feel under pressure there to be useful I guess, it's possible. But I find it much more likely it's the latter, if she did in fact force that read, which right now I think she probably did.
I said at the conclusion "If I had to pick scum between Mac and sprityo, I would choose sprityo" This is a Gun-to-head read. It's actually pretty normal for town.
It wasn't the conclusion in isolation that felt like was forced, more like you felt forced you had to say something about it to have an opinion other than being completely neutral on it.
If' I'm going to take the time to examine a case, I will not come away completely neutral on it. Neutral reads are not helpful to a mafia game. GTH reads at least help get discussion going.
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:57 am
I think my giant catchup posts are proving detrimental to actually catching up so I'm gonna not do that and instead skim the last several pages and hopefully eventually get back to the beginning of the thread and have time to iso colin and mac. I haven't read anything since daystart and I should fix that immediately.
Robot you should either just ISO me or ignore me completely because I'm pretty sure I'm like over 1/3 of the entire thread myself. Not sure which is more conducive to understanding what happens in the thread.
Yeah sorry I'm ignoring you.
not quiiite true, but I'm mostly reading your posts when someone else quotes them, or you quote someone else. The ones that aren't quoted are less likely to be information-dense anyways probably I think.
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
So you agree it looks like she's forcing reads?
Personally I see it as inherently anti-town to force reads if you're Town. It's lying about what you think, which is counter productive. The most likely way I can see her forcing reads is if she's Mafia and is fine with lying because her objective isn't at risk by doing that. As Town I don't understand why she's pretend to suspect someone if she didn't. Maybe she is Town and just did really feel under pressure there to be useful I guess, it's possible. But I find it much more likely it's the latter, if she did in fact force that read, which right now I think she probably did.
I said at the conclusion "If I had to pick scum between Mac and sprityo, I would choose sprityo" This is a Gun-to-head read. It's actually pretty normal for town.
It wasn't the conclusion in isolation that felt like was forced, more like you felt forced you had to say something about it to have an opinion other than being completely neutral on it.
If' I'm going to take the time to examine a case, I will not come away completely neutral on it. Neutral reads are not helpful to a mafia game. GTH reads at least help get discussion going.
*scratches chin*
But... um... some things are non alignment indicative? Right?
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:50 pm
@M Plus 7 im gonna ignore you because i would literally more than likely waste my entire day going through your posts. It'd be like re reading jay only with more fluff because yknow.....dog pee.
But i'm sure youre in the same ballfield as JJJ. lots of interactions, constantly trying for input
Huh. How do you expect to catch me if I'm scum though?
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:23 pm
I really shouldn't be here, but here I am.
Hi MP! I see you haven't voted yet. Who should we lynch today?
Wait what? I voted sprityo then Colin then Turnip Head.
I'm not really sure whom I want to lynch quite yet, but yeah. Getting there.
How about you? Got any scum reads for me?
I'll probably decide who to vote closer to end-of-day.
Scum reads? Right now I'm not getting the best vibes from sprityo or infected alien. But I could completely change my mind as I see more posts.
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
So you agree it looks like she's forcing reads?
Personally I see it as inherently anti-town to force reads if you're Town. It's lying about what you think, which is counter productive. The most likely way I can see her forcing reads is if she's Mafia and is fine with lying because her objective isn't at risk by doing that. As Town I don't understand why she's pretend to suspect someone if she didn't. Maybe she is Town and just did really feel under pressure there to be useful I guess, it's possible. But I find it much more likely it's the latter, if she did in fact force that read, which right now I think she probably did.
I said at the conclusion "If I had to pick scum between Mac and sprityo, I would choose sprityo" This is a Gun-to-head read. It's actually pretty normal for town.
It wasn't the conclusion in isolation that felt like was forced, more like you felt forced you had to say something about it to have an opinion other than being completely neutral on it.
If' I'm going to take the time to examine a case, I will not come away completely neutral on it. Neutral reads are not helpful to a mafia game. GTH reads at least help get discussion going.
Hm, fair, still though, it seems like you tried to squeeze his 'im just going to state my case and move on' statement as him 'backing down' when it doesn't in my opinion, which makes it seem like a top-down read rather than a bottom-up read, like you came to your conclusion first and then tried to build a case around it rather than seeing it and genuinely thinking he was more suspicious because of it with your GTH.
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:51 pm
I keep getting interrupted trying to read so I'm 60% closer to just saying fuck it and trying to play based on Day 1 forward. *shrug*
abyssum wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:00 pm
at some point i want somebody, in some game, to realize that trying to tease out people's thought processes on another player isn't automatically a defense
which is probably a thing you should know based on the way you "defended" Turnip Head without it really being a defense
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:04 pm
You know what I'm thinking trying to tease out a player's thoughts on another player might not count as a defense.
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:23 pm
I really shouldn't be here, but here I am.
Hi MP! I see you haven't voted yet. Who should we lynch today?
Wait what? I voted sprityo then Colin then Turnip Head.
I'm not really sure whom I want to lynch quite yet, but yeah. Getting there.
How about you? Got any scum reads for me?
I'll probably decide who to vote closer to end-of-day.
Scum reads? Right now I'm not getting the best vibes from sprityo or infected alien. But I could completely change my mind as I see more posts.
What about me is suspicious to you? What do you mean by vibes, just tone or something else?
I feel like there's a scum pairing between two of Alien, Luna, and Robot just based on the way they're interacting towards the bottom of the previous page.
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:54 pm
@Lunalee
I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.
Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.
But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back: swing 1 back-down 1 swing 2 back-down 2
Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
His backdown #2 wasn't him going back on his reads though, it was him wanting to move on from stating his case because it was taxing argueing
This also feels a bit like a forced read to me, it feels like you're struggling for what to say, so you're just trying to find something you could say is suspicious, because I don't think your quotes match into your argument very well so it reads as if you made the case first and then tried to fit things into it as opposed to working bottom-up and seeing it first and then making the case
I felt like back down 2 was Sprityo attempting to shut the door on the whole issue, because he didn't want to continue engaging with Mac.
I did force myself to make a read of Mac and sprit (if that's what you mean), but I didn't have a conclusion going into it. It sort of evolved. Where else do my quotes not make since to you? I may have messed them up, or if not I can try to clarify.
I agree it's sprit trying to move on, I don't agree it was 'backing down' though, he was shutting himself off from argueing anymore about it but maintaining his stance
And no it was just that part, it feels like you were trying to twist what he did into some sort of case where you say he keeps backing down even though I don't think it fits properly
Also @M Plus 7 what do you think of robot this game right now? Hopefully that tag works but it didn't come up with the option menu thing so I'm not sure
I... am not sure. I liked her entrance and her attempts to seem grounded in the game struck me as sincere initially, but now I'm just like... I don't know. I'm not sure I like her treatment of Luna. What do you think of her?
players who know infected alien, how would you characterize their civ gameplay? mafia gameplay?
do they often go out of their way to weigh in on things, both positively and negatively? is there a correlation to alignment or is it a consistent behavior across the board
RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I... think what I said is reasonable peer pressure to suggest that she force reads, which she said that she was doing anyways? I don't think she's scum or even looks scummy for making a single decision
I mean that spirityo was being unnervingly aggressive, and I just liked the way Luna described it.
Anyways, yeah, doing okay. Feeling a bit sick after donating blood yesterday so I might ask them to discard my blood which is a shame. It's mostly just dizziness, which is typical, but it doesn't typically last in me personally that long, so I'm a bit worried. Also a bit of a fever which I had before they took my blood, which is probably contributing to the dizziness.
