DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

@Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.

Early on you had the strongest town read on me of anybody and you flipped from this stance to being so convinced I am bad that your vote remains on me 10 minutes before EOD based on a case that a guy who doesn't even believe it himself made. You were scum reading sprityo. Your flip was extremely jarring and especially your insistence of leaving your vote there right now is especially weird. I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow if I live.

MAC YOU ARE NOT GETTING LYNCHED
Does my vote on you bother you this much?

Yes because it looks bad and I am still trying to solve the game. The game won't end today Lunalee.

I get that. I'm not saying I will continue to vote you tomorrow. I will catch up on the thread and re-evaluate. I do not have time to do that now, and last I checked I felt good about voting you. Would you rather me move to a no-lynch vote? Because I would rather do that than vote Alien, who I don't feel is scum.

Moving your vote now won't change anything about how I felt about it while it was there. We'll have to address this at a later time. I don't mind where your vote goes now.

[Tangrowth]

I am going to feel like an ass if this is an ML, but god dammit, you know what, we really have exhausted the fuck out of these Day 0 and Day 1 cycles. Thanks so much for the incredible effort, everyone. It really is appreciated. You all are an absolute pleasure.

As far as Day 1 lynches go, I'm feeling pretty good right now. Here's hoping.

I agree here - Alien, separating from the game for just a sec, I feel REALLY bad on a personal level for getting you lynched here on D1 since you're new. It goes against my norms. I hope we can play lots more together in the future.

I do think you're bad though, and there's enough resistance that I feel decently confident about it.

If you're town, a HUGE help would be if you could leave GTH reads on everyone before the Day ends. (actually regardless of alignment it would help)

I feel bad about it too. I specifically was looking forward to playing with him again.

[Infected_alien8_]

COLIN TOWN
JAY TOWN
LUNA TOWN
M PLUS 7 SCUM
RUSS SCUM
SPRIT NO IDEA NOBODY'S TELLING ME THE CASE ON THEM
MAC TOWN
ROBOT TOWN
DH MAFIA
umm, give me more names

[Tangrowth]

...

tsaiah are you scum

No, i'm not.

I am getting close to crying tho

???

[MacDougall]

What kind of civ would just disappear because it seems I'm safe now at EOD. That's scum behaviour.

To whom are you referring here?

Myself? Lunalee tried to shout me down for gamesolving even though I'm not getting lynched.

[Infected_alien8_]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.

Why? If only so I can debunk that?

Like you just admitted that you have been "slowly turning against" me? It's just tantamount to saying that I was right about you changing your opinions just to vote me. Civs don't do that. Voting me sure, but the methodical way you went about it is just weird.

I don't understand what you mean. By slowly turning against you I mean that over the past 24 hours or so, ever since M Plus 7's dogpee, my town read of you has gradually declined, as I've pointed out every time a new point has added to that. I'm not talking about anything you said to me

Your town read has gradually declined the more it looked like your lynch was gaining traction. Meanwhile the vast majority of players opinions of me have shifted the other direction. It's a scum mindset.

Ok so it fits that pattern, my progression is still legit though

[MacDougall]

COLIN TOWN
JAY TOWN
LUNA TOWN
M PLUS 7 SCUM
RUSS SCUM
SPRIT NO IDEA NOBODY'S TELLING ME THE CASE ON THEM
MAC TOWN
ROBOT TOWN
DH MAFIA
umm, give me more names

They are all at the top of the thread my dude.

[Tangrowth]

What kind of civ would just disappear because it seems I'm safe now at EOD. That's scum behaviour.

To whom are you referring here?

Myself? Lunalee tried to shout me down for gamesolving even though I'm not getting lynched.

Oh! Got it. I didn't realize what the context was.

[Kylemii]

MP7's positivity and confidence puts hope in my bones. i want to believe this is the best decision possible today. I'm voting [VOTE: infected£lien] aubergine

[abyssum]

...

tsaiah are you scum

Tell me more.

I appreciate her thoughts right now as well, but I have to say, I don't understand why she thinks this is the most productive use of her time at EOD.

this might be EOD panic but the post that tsaiah most recently made to Alien was like...so removed from the posting/thoughts that i expect from tsaiah that i actually had to check that she wrote it

the one about "showing town feathers" specifically

i don't think i can articulate why before eod so give me a while to process it

[MacDougall]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.

Why? If only so I can debunk that?

Like you just admitted that you have been "slowly turning against" me? It's just tantamount to saying that I was right about you changing your opinions just to vote me. Civs don't do that. Voting me sure, but the methodical way you went about it is just weird.

I don't understand what you mean. By slowly turning against you I mean that over the past 24 hours or so, ever since M Plus 7's dogpee, my town read of you has gradually declined, as I've pointed out every time a new point has added to that. I'm not talking about anything you said to me

Your town read has gradually declined the more it looked like your lynch was gaining traction. Meanwhile the vast majority of players opinions of me have shifted the other direction. It's a scum mindset.

Ok so it fits that pattern, my progression is still legit though

Well if you are town I am very sorry to have contributed to your mislynch. I would have preferred others but I am literally the counterwagon so it's not like I have much of a say.

[Infected_alien8_]

Well, it's been fun guys. I had a lot of fun seriously. You were all super fun to play with and I wish my team the best of luck.

...I'm just not great at being Mafia. lol. I also kind of hate being Mafia but I still enjoyed myself here and I think that says something.

[Tangrowth]

Sigh. I'll miss you either way Alien.

Let's please play together again. You are absolutely one of my favorite people I've met through the Champs experience hands down.

[Infected_alien8_]

And thanks for being so welcoming

[MacDougall]

Oh wow. Wow!

[ColinIsCool]

Cheers to you Alien. I hope you’re bad. Sign up for another game sometime

[Tangrowth]

Well, it's been fun guys. I had a lot of fun seriously. You were all super fun to play with and I wish my team the best of luck.

...I'm just not great at being Mafia. lol. I also kind of hate being Mafia but I still enjoyed myself here and I think that says something.

Hhahahaha FUCK YES MOTHERFUCKERS

Well played dude.

[Tangrowth]

I AM LOCKTOWN BITCHES

*breathes fire everywhere*

[MacDougall]

Much love Alien. You've left a great impression on everyone and please play more.

[MacDougall]

I AM LOCKTOWN BITCHES

*breathes fire everywhere*

Sorry to see you go bro.

[Tangrowth]

RUSS GOAT

[Infected_alien8_]

One day I will be town with you aby, I promise

[Tangrowth]

I AM LOCKTOWN BITCHES

*breathes fire everywhere*

Sorry to see you go bro.

Oh yeah I'm a fucking dead man.

I'll be sure to leave legacy thoughts and shit.

[DharmaHelper]

Well, it's been fun guys. I had a lot of fun seriously. You were all super fun to play with and I wish my team the best of luck.

...I'm just not great at being Mafia. lol. I also kind of hate being Mafia but I still enjoyed myself here and I think that says something.

Ooohhhhh boy.

Guess who's fantasy stock just went up

[ColinIsCool]

I AM LOCKTOWN BITCHES

*breathes fire everywhere*

Sorry to see you go bro.

Even if MP is scum I would think they’d nightkill him so that they have less to read

[MacDougall]

Sprityo's vote was on Alien very early and stuck. He's town. Jay's town. MP's town. abyssum's town. The rest could have just jumped on for cred so get none.

Every single player on any other wagon is a suspect and need to be court marshalled.

[abyssum]

One day I will be town with you aby, I promise

the weakest of WIFOMs

sorry about your rand dude

[Infected_alien8_]

I was kind of expecting the thread to be locked by now lol oops

[MacDougall]

Oh yeah Russ is town. LOL sorry Russ.

[Tangrowth]

I am so fucking vindicated right now you all don’t even know.

[abyssum]

does this townclear Mac

somebody tell me i want to be right about things

[MacDougall]

Jay is going to have a lot of fun reading that end of day. I expect this game to be solved tomorrow quite frankly.

[Tsaiah]

...

tsaiah are you scum

Tell me more.

I appreciate her thoughts right now as well, but I have to say, I don't understand why she thinks this is the most productive use of her time at EOD.

this might be EOD panic but the post that tsaiah most recently made to Alien was like...so removed from the posting/thoughts that i expect from tsaiah that i actually had to check that she wrote it

the one about "showing town feathers" specifically

i don't think i can articulate why before eod so give me a while to process it

He's said that more than once! And wverytime i feel like there's a specific thing he's looking for but not ever defining what it is! And non of our opinions on it seemed to -matter- to him

[Kylemii]

[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention] plz come round and play more games, in the future

[MacDougall]

does this townclear Mac

somebody tell me i want to be right about things

Not quite but I'd like to think it was pretty obvious that the only reason votes stayed on me was because no clear counterwagons formed.

I am very capable of being his teammate and acting out that end of day though so don't give me too much credit.

[ColinIsCool]

I have a tinfoil in my bones that Jay is bad but I can’t justify it at all

[Infected_alien8_]

@Infected_alien8_ plz come round and play more games, in the future

Will do, thanks for the invitation!

[Russtifinko]

Much love Alien. You've left a great impression on everyone and please play more.

This.



And WOOOOOOOO!!!!!

MP, how are you locktown? It was my wagon! First abyssum takes my captaincy of Team Mac, now you steal my bandwagon cred too? Did I even do anything today??

[abyssum]

does this townclear Mac

somebody tell me i want to be right about things

Not quite but I'd like to think it was pretty obvious that the only reason votes stayed on me was because no clear counterwagons formed.

I am very capable of being his teammate and acting out that end of day though so don't give me too much credit.

it's OK mac you're town in my heart and soul

[Tangrowth]

Sprityo's vote was on Alien very early and stuck. He's town. Jay's town. MP's town. abyssum's town. The rest could have just jumped on for cred so get none.

Every single player on any other wagon is a suspect and need to be court marshalled.

Agree.

Towncore:

You
Me
Sprityo
Aby
Jay
Russ

For sure. I guess one of them could have bussed but o doubt it. I would look for bussers elsewhere.

Everyone should be individually assessed just in case. We will not be losing this game because we failed to reevaluate everyone.

[Tsaiah]

Well, it's been fun guys. I had a lot of fun seriously. You were all super fun to play with and I wish my team the best of luck.

...I'm just not great at being Mafia. lol. I also kind of hate being Mafia but I still enjoyed myself here and I think that says something.

YES YES YESSSSSSS AHHHHHH

IM NOT CRYING ANYMORE

[Tangrowth]

@Infected_alien8_ plz come round and play more games, in the future

This x 9001

[Russtifinko]

What bothers me the most, in this game so far, is that i keep feeling like your Input slot is connected directly to your Garbage bin, bypassing your Consideration drawer entirely, if that awful analogy makes any sense.

Yeah, again, don't mind me over here.....definitely didn't ISO him and vote him first or anything.....

[DharmaHelper]

Cruel of you guys to invite Alien to more games after this when we all know if you get lynched in your first game on the first day your soul gets eaten by the ghost of Aldo.

[Infected_alien8_]

[Tangrowth]

Much love Alien. You've left a great impression on everyone and please play more.

This.



And WOOOOOOOO!!!!!

MP, how are you locktown? It was my wagon! First abyssum takes my captaincy of Team Mac, now you steal my bandwagon cred too? Did I even do anything today??

Dude did you see the way he treated me? Lol.

And I crushed that meta analysis.

You and I though man. Absolutely couldn’t have done it without your case and initial suspicion. I fucking love this. RUSS AND MP

[Tsaiah]

EFF YES MY D1 READS ARE STILL GOOD EHEHEEE

[Infected_alien8_]

[MacDougall]

@abyssum - town as all fuck
@ColinIsCool -- was the vote that really put the gap between me and alien, very high chance of town
@DharmaHelper -- the shits pyjamas
@Infected_alien8_ -- actual literal mafia
@JaggedJimmyJay -- town as all fuck
@Kylemii -- late vote to the wagon after coming online late and townsperging everywhere... could have been trying to mop up cred. Null.
@Lunalee -- refused to get her vote off me at EOD. Stood by gut town read of Alien in spite of the cause looking lost... man... incorrect town is my guess.
@Marmot -- the shits pyjamas
@M Plus 7 -- town as all fuck
@RobotNerd277 --the shits pyjamas
@Russtifinko -- town as all fuck
@sprityo -- town, sorry sprityo
@Tsaiah -- townnnn
@Turnip Head -- shits pyjamas

This game is over imo.

[Tangrowth]

Russ you are fucking GOAT either way. Hope that’s clear.