[ENDGAME] The Shawshank Redemption Mafia

[Dom]

Didn't see that one coming at all. :/

RIPIYWG Sorsha.


I'm still looking at JJ.

[Mister Rearranger]

Now THAT is not what I expected.

rip Sorsha, iywg

Didn't see that one coming at all. :/

RIPIYWG Sorsha.


I'm still looking at JJ.

Is that not who you guys targeted or something?

[Dom]

Do you really think SVS and I are bad, MR?

[Dom]

I voted for JJ because of reasons we've already talked about. I'm voting now because I'm going out tomorrow morning and don't know when I'll get back.

[A Person]

lol i can't see this

[S~V~S]

Now THAT is not what I expected.

rip Sorsha, iywg

Didn't see that one coming at all. :/

RIPIYWG Sorsha.


I'm still looking at JJ.

Is that not who you guys targeted or something?

wat? lol, i am not a killer, and i don't know who is. It surprises me becasue there was some suspicion on Sorsha, i kinda suspected Sorsha. Suspicious folks are odd targets.

[birdwithteeth11]

So John, did you have a reason for voting me, or did you prefer to do it as a fly-by?

[S~V~S]

Ha ha awesome, A Person discovered invisitext lol

[Lizzy]

Now THAT is not what I expected.

rip Sorsha, iywg

Orly? I had her as the 3rd member of the Shawshank personnel, so killing her would mean that the sisters have monopoly over the baddie NK's.

Oi jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj! What's with the bwt vote?

[S~V~S]

Actually that is where i had her, too, tentatively. I guess it is a culture thing~ where I learned to play it is considered bad form to NK other baddies, rude if you will. So it surprises me when people do it. But I know people who started playing here tend to think differently about that, and even though i know it, it still surprises me when it is done.

[Lizzy]

I should totally be a sister then. Are you guys recruiting these days?

[S~V~S]

let's hope not. If we are right about Sorsha, then you are likely right that they have both kills, and they have been doing a pretty good job, especially since i don't expect Sorsha or Boo were likely to have intentionally NKed baddies.

[Lizzy]

Let's say I'm buying it for now. Who do you think would do that? (I know I'd do it without blinking ;P)

[S~V~S]

Why do you think A Person specifically asked the SK to kill me, but not the baddies?

And i am not sure, tbh. I do not like to do it, for instance. but in grimm, Llama talked me into it when we were teammates. So it is possible, especially with no concrete info. So a reread of both Mongoose & Sorsha will be a good idea, and i plan to do so later today after i get back from a booze run

[Lizzy]

Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.

[Bullzeye]

Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.

You said the SK was civ-friendly, I disagreed. What's wrong with that? Calling SK's civ-friendly is like calling cigarettes lung-friendly. Also I kinda think the SK might be dead (or a non-traditional SK, I could see Epi labelling someone as a Serial Killer and not making them a typical LMS role) anyway since we've never seen them actually kill anybody.

[Mister Rearranger]

Do you really think SVS and I are bad, MR?

I am unsure.

Would you like me to think you are?

[Lizzy]

Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.

You said the SK was civ-friendly, I disagreed. What's wrong with that? Calling SK's civ-friendly is like calling cigarettes lung-friendly. Also I kinda think the SK might be dead (or a non-traditional SK, I could see Epi labelling someone as a Serial Killer and not making them a typical LMS role) anyway since we've never seen them actually kill anybody.

It was your phrasing and the reasoning here...

Just in case I forget, I'm throwing my vote on Lizzy. Her comments about SK's really caught my eye, it seemed like she was almost trying to encourage people to leave the SK alive. I see no reason why a civ would suggest such a thing.

... that bugged the hell out me.

[Bullzeye]

Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.

You said the SK was civ-friendly, I disagreed. What's wrong with that? Calling SK's civ-friendly is like calling cigarettes lung-friendly. Also I kinda think the SK might be dead (or a non-traditional SK, I could see Epi labelling someone as a Serial Killer and not making them a typical LMS role) anyway since we've never seen them actually kill anybody.

It was your phrasing and the reasoning here...

Just in case I forget, I'm throwing my vote on Lizzy. Her comments about SK's really caught my eye, it seemed like she was almost trying to encourage people to leave the SK alive. I see no reason why a civ would suggest such a thing.

... that bugged the hell out me.

In all fairness your comment bugged the hell out of me too, hence the vote I haven't seen anything else from you that's caught my eye though tbh, for that little while I thought you could be a sneaky SK but now I doubt it. I don't see you, or anyone really, holding off a kill for 8 nights.

[Mister Rearranger]

I might be down for lynching Bullz.

He helped kill the first me.

[johns2jj]

So John, did you have a reason for voting me, or did you prefer to do it as a fly-by?

Because I knew no one else would vote for you and I needed to try and stay alive. I really don't know who to vote for at this point because we have had too many ties and I am tired of them quite frankly. I may change my vote late but I felt you where a good placeholder.

[johns2jj]

Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.

You said the SK was civ-friendly, I disagreed. What's wrong with that? Calling SK's civ-friendly is like calling cigarettes lung-friendly. Also I kinda think the SK might be dead (or a non-traditional SK, I could see Epi labelling someone as a Serial Killer and not making them a typical LMS role) anyway since we've never seen them actually kill anybody.

It was your phrasing and the reasoning here...

Just in case I forget, I'm throwing my vote on Lizzy. Her comments about SK's really caught my eye, it seemed like she was almost trying to encourage people to leave the SK alive. I see no reason why a civ would suggest such a thing.

... that bugged the hell out me.

In all fairness your comment bugged the hell out of me too, hence the vote I haven't seen anything else from you that's caught my eye though tbh, for that little while I thought you could be a sneaky SK but now I doubt it. I don't see you, or anyone really, holding off a kill for 8 nights.

I think the sk is dead or was a replacement due to inactivity

[Bullzeye]

I might be down for lynching Bullz.

He helped kill the first me.

Dude you got like 10 votes, nearly everyone helped kill the first you.

[Lizzy]

I might be down for lynching Bullz.

He helped kill the first me.

I did too, as well as many others. Sorries.

So John, did you have a reason for voting me, or did you prefer to do it as a fly-by?

Because I knew no one else would vote for you and I needed to try and stay alive. I really don't know who to vote for at this point because we have had too many ties and I am tired of them quite frankly. I may change my vote late but I felt you where a good placeholder.

Well, I suggest you change it unless you want my vote as well; and we haven't had a tie in a while.

[Mister Rearranger]

Linki @bullz: Yeah, but few of that group were part of both days' pushes (remember, I wasn't lynched on day 1, only because I saved myself). One of them was muy bad.

So John, did you have a reason for voting me, or did you prefer to do it as a fly-by?

Because I knew no one else would vote for you and I needed to try and stay alive. I really don't know who to vote for at this point because we have had too many ties and I am tired of them quite frankly. I may change my vote late but I felt you where a good placeholder.

[Bullzeye]

Linki @bullz: Yeah, but few of that group were part of both days' pushes (remember, I wasn't lynched on day 1, only because I saved myself). One of them was muy bad.

What can I say? I had my reasons for thinking you were bad, I outlined them when I voted for you. Obviously I was wrong.

[Russtifinko]

Well I'm all in a kerfuffle. It looks to me as if JJ is probably going down today, but I'd be interested in looking elsewhere if anyone seems inclined to. Even if Elo was right, taking down the Sisters isn't nearly as important as getting rid of Boggs.

Going on a shopping trip, then I'll be back and think about who to vote for.

[Mister Rearranger]

Well I'm all in a kerfuffle. It looks to me as if JJ is probably going down today, but I'd be interested in looking elsewhere if anyone seems inclined to. Even if Elo was right, taking down the Sisters isn't nearly as important as getting rid of Boggs.

Going on a shopping trip, then I'll be back and think about who to vote for.

Erm, Boggs is a Sister...

Epi: Do team members' kills get passed down if/when they die? Sorry if this was already addressed in-thread and I missed it.

I would think the optimal scenario would be to lynch Haig and, in turn, knock out the entire Odd Night team on an odd day.

[Lizzy]

Well I'm all in a kerfuffle. It looks to me as if JJ is probably going down today, but I'd be interested in looking elsewhere if anyone seems inclined to. Even if Elo was right, taking down the Sisters isn't nearly as important as getting rid of Boggs.

Going on a shopping trip, then I'll be back and think about who to vote for.

I agree about getting Boggs, it's just that looking for a specific individual is a bit difficult at the moment. A teammate would do just as well.

If jjjjjjjjjjj is being lynched today and he's a baddie, my god he's the most stupidly brilliant baddie I've ever seen. His vote for BWT who has been targeted by the sisters is the best proof for that thus far. I really really really think he hasn't been paying attention because I have no idea what teammates would let him do that.

[Mister Rearranger]

Am I missing something or just stupid? >.>

[Bullzeye]

Am I missing something or just stupid? >.>

What are you not understanding?

[Mister Rearranger]

Am I missing something or just stupid? >.>

What are you not understanding?

Why priority is being given to lynching Sisters when they don't kill tonight?

Then again, my question to Epi still stands. That hasn't been asked by anyone else yet, has it?

[Bullzeye]

Am I missing something or just stupid? >.>

What are you not understanding?

Why priority is being given to lynching Sisters when they don't kill tonight?

Then again, my question to Epi still stands. That hasn't been asked by anyone else yet, has it?

I do think you had a point about eliminating the other team but have we had confirmation that the Sisters won't just pick up that kill? If they don't then I definitely think you're right that we should take out the last of the other baddies.

[Mister Rearranger]

Hmm, I've not seen a game where 1 team inherits the other team's NK on top of theirs, but anything's possible; worth asking about.

[S~V~S]

Most games i have played have that, when one team is eliminated, the other team kills nightly.

[Mister Rearranger]

Why do I not remember that from any LP games?

Then again, I died early in most of them too, lol.

[Russtifinko]

I was under the impression that since the kill is tied to a role instead of being a team thing that that kill just goes away now that Mongoose is dead, but that's just my best guess.

[Russtifinko]

So MR, if I may ask, does anything make you think Bullz is bad besides that he helped get you lynched the first time? I always enjoy a good revenge vote, but I'd like to understand if there's a case the translates to the rest of us.

[Lizzy]

Until MR shows up, what are your thoughts?

[Mister Rearranger]

So MR, if I may ask, does anything make you think Bullz is bad besides that he helped get you lynched the first time? I always enjoy a good revenge vote, but I'd like to understand if there's a case the translates to the rest of us.

You may.

Prologue mentioning of boo (in agreement) and Mongoose ("randomization" = excuse for distancing?). Continues to downplay the Llama v. Mongoose situation on Day 1. Pushes a theory that I was "saved" by a team (even though in reality, I saved myself with 1 vote), then backpedals, saying that his theory was something he said only to gauge the reactions of other players. The "Kinda shocked at how the votes piled up on you but you really haven't helped yourself." is very boo-esque. He becomes subtly defensive of boo on a couple occasions prior to his lynch, but eventually throws the final vote on him. And then there's obviously his voting record aside from that. In fact, the only hesitation I have about calling him the last Shawshanker right now is his vote in the Mongoose lynch. Then again, none of how that vote went makes sense to me.

linki: ohai der *waves*

[Lizzy]

Haaaaaaaai

If Bullz is bad, he's a sister! I think Shawshank is kaput for good, that's why we're focusing on the sissies, well, I know I am.

[Mister Rearranger]

Do hosts not let the players know when teams have been eliminated on Syndicate? That would be a new thing to me, as it was always host policy on LP and (I think) Rev.

Is that what you're getting at, or are you in the camp that is thinking the Shawshank NK is no more now that their lead killer is dead?

Either way, I think those are some pretty big assumptions to be making.

[Lizzy]

The hosts never announced when a baddie team had been exterminated in any of the games I've played here.

Also, I think you might have missed this:

Mister Robignosis Host Sir, if Hadley is dead, what happens to the odd NK's? Does HB Haig get them if still alive, or does Bogs get monopoly over the baddie NK's?

[S~V~S]

I am in the middle of a rousing D & D session, so i am gonna vote now so i don;t forget.

I still think John is bad.

[Bullzeye]

So MR, if I may ask, does anything make you think Bullz is bad besides that he helped get you lynched the first time? I always enjoy a good revenge vote, but I'd like to understand if there's a case the translates to the rest of us.

You may.

Prologue mentioning of boo (in agreement) and Mongoose ("randomization" = excuse for distancing?). Continues to downplay the Llama v. Mongoose situation on Day 1. Pushes a theory that I was "saved" by a team (even though in reality, I saved myself with 1 vote), then backpedals, saying that his theory was something he said only to gauge the reactions of other players. The "Kinda shocked at how the votes piled up on you but you really haven't helped yourself." is very boo-esque. He becomes subtly defensive of boo on a couple occasions prior to his lynch, but eventually throws the final vote on him. And then there's obviously his voting record aside from that. In fact, the only hesitation I have about calling him the last Shawshanker right now is his vote in the Mongoose lynch. Then again, none of how that vote went makes sense to me.

linki: ohai der *waves*

I said Boo's idea was interesting and that's literally the only time I mentioned him until the second night of the game.
How is it distancing to vote for someone on day zero in a poll widely believed at the time not to be death-related? Not to mention my vote truely was random.
All I 'downplayed' was the idea of Llama and Mongoose having accidentally admitted to having btsc. Clearly they didn't
My point about you being saved had nothing to do with your own vote and everything to do with the fact that the next two votes after I voted you on day one were for Lizzy, tying the two of you up until Boo cast a vote for you and you saved yourself. Notice I refer to a 'save attempt', as in people trying to save you.
I never said I was trying to gauge reactions. My theory was something I agreed with, but thought that if it were true your teammates would have challenged it. Or anyone would have come up with a reason why I might be wrong.
So... Boo was coaching me? Or do I just ask my teammates to make posts through me? Maybe Boo and I have similar styles or opinions. I dunno, I've played like 2 games ever with him. I really was surprised at how many votes you got, but you really didn't help yourself. I stand by those points.
I don't think I've ever defended Boo. Agreed with a couple of his opinions, yes. Guilty. But I also disagreed with him about the whole 'first time players always get btsc' thing.
Point out any one player with a good voting record. The fact we've lynched mostly civs suggests nobody has that good of one.

[Lizzy]

I am in the middle of a rousing D & D session, so i am gonna vote now so i don;t forget.

I still think John is bad.

Why?

If you vote for John, I'll vote for you, and I was planning on leaving you alone today.

[Mister Rearranger]

The hosts never announced when a baddie team had been exterminated in any of the games I've played here.

Also, I think you might have missed this:

Mister Robignosis Host Sir, if Hadley is dead, what happens to the odd NK's? Does HB Haig get them if still alive, or does Bogs get monopoly over the baddie NK's?

That I did

*Epi: Disregard my previous question

Not really a clear indicator either way. I'm still wary. Maybe Bullz is just a case of me seeing what I want to see based on my day 1 read of him. :/


linki @Bullz: My new voting record is impeccable so far.

[Mister Rearranger]

@Bullz: I thought SVS voted to tie Lizzy and I, then boo voted to put me back ahead of her, then I voted for Lizzy in hopes I'd live?

[Dom]

Why do you think A Person specifically asked the SK to kill me, but not the baddies?

SVS, I was a bit confused when I read that. Do you think A Person is baddie? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

So MR, if I may ask, does anything make you think Bullz is bad besides that he helped get you lynched the first time? I always enjoy a good revenge vote, but I'd like to understand if there's a case the translates to the rest of us.

You may.

Prologue mentioning of boo (in agreement) and Mongoose ("randomization" = excuse for distancing?). Continues to downplay the Llama v. Mongoose situation on Day 1. Pushes a theory that I was "saved" by a team (even though in reality, I saved myself with 1 vote), then backpedals, saying that his theory was something he said only to gauge the reactions of other players. The "Kinda shocked at how the votes piled up on you but you really haven't helped yourself." is very boo-esque. He becomes subtly defensive of boo on a couple occasions prior to his lynch, but eventually throws the final vote on him. And then there's obviously his voting record aside from that. In fact, the only hesitation I have about calling him the last Shawshanker right now is his vote in the Mongoose lynch. Then again, none of how that vote went makes sense to me.

linki: ohai der *waves*

This is probably one of the most cogent cases I've seen you put together.

Lizzy, why are you so against voting JJ? This may make me change my mind.

[Bullzeye]

@Bullz: I thought SVS voted to tie Lizzy and I, then boo voted to put me back ahead of her, then I voted for Lizzy in hopes I'd live?

Yes, but when SVS cast her vote, if you and Boo hadn't voted then you and Lizzy would still have been tied. Therefore it could be said that the two people who voted Lizzy and not you (FZ and SVS) after I put you ahead may have tried to save you. That's what my theory was and is part of why I voted for you when you got lynched.