Mega Man Mafia [ENDGAME]

[DharmaHelper]

DH's petty behavior toward the town could be summarized as "negging". He is withholding his approval from us... and he is also withholding his heart.

See you're making that up. I'm not being negative towards the town.

[DharmaHelper]

I don't think you or LC are bad at this point.

Do you think Jack is more likely to be scum than K-ness? Or is it about equal and that you think they are teamed?

Nobody's really done a dive on K-Ness like LC did on Jack so I lean more on Jack at the moment.

[Dyslexicon]

Nobody's really done a dive on K-Ness like LC did on Jack so I lean more on Jack at the moment.

K. But you think they are teamed? I perceived it as that was a theory you felt pretty strongly about? Would be cool to see what you, or anyone for that matter, would find in a dive in the cool waters of K-ness.

[Dyslexicon]

I need to sleep now. Good night.

[DharmaHelper]

Nobody's really done a dive on K-Ness like LC did on Jack so I lean more on Jack at the moment.

K. But you think they are teamed? I perceived it as that was a theory you felt pretty strongly about? Would be cool to see what you, or anyone for that matter, would find in a dive in the cool waters of K-ness.

I think they could be teamed yeah sure. What with them voting together despite Jack saying he finds K-Ness to be scum and Jack changing from a townread to a scum-read on me based on my sniffing in K-Ness' direction.

[Turnip Head]

DH's petty behavior toward the town could be summarized as "negging". He is withholding his approval from us... and he is also withholding his heart.

See you're making that up. I'm not being negative towards the town.

You know what you're right... you were more like

[Long Con]

Nobody's really done a dive on K-Ness like LC did on Jack so I lean more on Jack at the moment.

K. But you think they are teamed? I perceived it as that was a theory you felt pretty strongly about? Would be cool to see what you, or anyone for that matter, would find in a dive in the cool waters of K-ness.

I think they could be teamed yeah sure. What with them voting together despite Jack saying he finds K-Ness to be scum and Jack changing from a townread to a scum-read on me based on my sniffing in K-Ness' direction.

Prove that he did it based on your KNess suspicion. Right now, it looks circumstantial.

[DharmaHelper]

Pretty large posterino here

Spoiler: show

Is this actually recruitment mafia? Been a few mentions of it but I've read nothing in thread to suggest it.

You and LC do realize the setup is posted on the first page, right?

Wily is mafia and he recruits some players into his mafia.

Not sure what happens if he tries to recruit Light or Megaman.

“The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.”

Is this for real a thing? Bull is also posting outdated rules like Light recruitment. Setup kinda unclear.

“The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.”

Those are just a couple of posts that give me cause to be suspicious. Yes, he references the mafia game on realms as his reason for being mixed up, but he also notes the use of outdated rules on the sign-up thread here. It's not an either/or for his reasoning, but his commentary still pings me. Also, the whole colin vote thing.


SLoonei is pinging me for similar reasons, mainly his focus on the lack of alignments during Day 0 and questioning how many baddies there are.

Also the Colin vote thing what?

What does scumJack have to gain by shading Eloh and then jumping off the Eloh train right before she’s mislynched without saying anything about it?

It's just pinging me, like Quin's posts on day 0/1 pinged me. My intuition is awful.

I'm leaning on sloonei and Jack today. What's the reasoning behind the votes on Luna?

Jack, is K-ness still town to you, and if so, why?

Nah.

He’s doing what I was townreading him for not doing. That is, talking about being overwhelmed instead of pushing forward.

It’s fine to be overwhelmed moving from HCRealms to the Syndicate but to effectively town, moving past that stage is essential. Initial overwhelmed to effort ratios for Fredwood, CBob, Silver and Jack were all alignment indicative. That may be an unfair statement given the different player styles but I keep expecting Kness to start swimming and he hasn’t.

I've already explained that I'm too used to relying on night powers (reflected in the way I run my games since I tend to give players powerful roles, which makes balancing a pain in the butt). But fine. I'll put forth more of an effort to get my head in the game.

I had a read on sloonei not liking the way he was questioning the rules. I feel far more confident in his being town given the outcome on Lunalee.

Jack pinged me for similar reasons to sloonei, and he's one of the hardest players to read in a game. He also should be familiar enough with me as a mafia player to know when I'm scum, I do my best to slide by unnoticed. That means I tend to post as little as possible and just piggyback on people's hunches. His flopping opinion of me feels more like he's trying to set me up as an easy Day 4 lynch than a real assessment of my standings.

Quin was another early ping for me. Can't explain too much detail, just a vibe I was getting from the posts. Ditto for Bullzeye at this point.

nova and Bullzeye were both voting for me. Before Luna's vote nova had nutella, Sloonei, Colin, Jay and my own feelings about doing the same. I stopped counting at post 657.

Looks like a bus to me, pals.

Hmm.

Why does Luna feel the need to do that? If I’m bad and a train forms out of nowhere, I don’t jump on it regardless of it being a teammate or a townie.

But relatively new players might feel the need to be on a teammate’s wagon. If it was a townie, shouldn’t she stay off and let Nova get lynched? She doesn’t give a hoot about lynching any 1 of the 3 townies and the case on Nova was the weakest.

I could see this move as teammate indicative.

Oh? That's not how I remember your playstyle. Trying to catch up this morning, and this caught me off guard as feeling very wrong for Jack.

ROUND 3

JACKOFHEARTS2005
DOM

Town
Town

Anyway this sure looks like Knees doing some medium/hard distancing with Knees earlier in the game there. I dunno.

[DharmaHelper]

Nobody's really done a dive on K-Ness like LC did on Jack so I lean more on Jack at the moment.

K. But you think they are teamed? I perceived it as that was a theory you felt pretty strongly about? Would be cool to see what you, or anyone for that matter, would find in a dive in the cool waters of K-ness.

I think they could be teamed yeah sure. What with them voting together despite Jack saying he finds K-Ness to be scum and Jack changing from a townread to a scum-read on me based on my sniffing in K-Ness' direction.

Prove that he did it based on your KNess suspicion. Right now, it looks circumstantial.

He sai that he town read me and then said after I posted about Knees that he "didn't see the light of a townie" in me "at all"

Circumstantial or not I can't like...dive into the guys head or w/e.

[DharmaHelper]

EBWOP: Knees doing distancing with *Jack* my bad.

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

"Gah I really didn't want to lynch the civ swearsies lol I wanted to lynch the other civ."

To be real clear, deciding I don’t want to lynch you is no way means I think we should follow your suspicions. You’ve basically placed stupid votes on townies and questioned cases on scum while criticizing everyone else in exaggerated ways.

Like you came in to a town that had lynched 1 scum and 2 townies and had a great lead on a second goon which is NOT a bad place to be. You continually characterized mislynching Eloh (which happens in every other game) as lynching Mega Man. To what end? You haven’t done any actual work. You’ve called perfectly fair suspicion of you meowing. Then you jump on a town leader’s lynch wagon at the 11th hour like “we’ll see how this goes.”

And now you’re criticizing Kness for not voting his biggest scumread? Reads like trying to setup a mislynch, like snatching a piece of low hanging fruit as you walk by. Why did the Marmot lynch need to be questioned so much and called garbage while you are perfectly willing to jump in my train for giggles and you’re now gonna try to hammer Kness on wording?

I don’t see the light of a townie in you at all and I can easily see the darkness of a potential goon. While I’m giving everyone and their dog a free pass for meta or because lynching inactives is dumb, why on earth I should give you the benefit of the doubt I do not know.

I lied its not actually that hard to prove or at least strongly assert that Jack changed his read because I went after Knees, as he quotes my going after knees in the post that he changes his read of me in. Same page and everything. He says "I read DH as town for now" then I make my post about Knees' vote, then he says "I don't see the light of a townie in you at all."

Quick mafs

[Turnip Head]

[VOTE: DH's KNess posterino is super dupder weaksauce] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

[VOTE: DH's KNess posterino is super dupder weaksauce] aubergine

That's impolite and kinda wrong...

Knees consistently says Jack "pings" him and "gives cause for suspicion" But then GTH's him as TOWN, and is willing to vote with him? Had Knees ever voted Jack?

What about my post is weaksauce fam.

[Turnip Head]

True but I've been mulitply pinged by Jack myself and I think I gunheaded him town too

[DharmaHelper]

True but I've been mulitply pinged by Jack myself and I think I gunheaded him town too

OK.

[Turnip Head]

I voted KNess anyways

[DharmaHelper]

I voted KNess anyways

For why tho.

[Turnip Head]

For 3 way tie

[DharmaHelper]

"Take the game more seriously DH" they say
"DH isn't trying to solve the game" they say
"Meow" they say
"Eww" they say
"Three way ties!" they say.

[Turnip Head]

Three-ways can certainly lead to loud animalistic noises but that is neither here nor there

[Jackofhearts2005]

Then who is choosing the kills?

I don't get why that question is important. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s important because the answer is “based on the kills we’ve gotten, none of those players.”

If the mafia is me, Kness and an inactive until you replace in, either Kness or I am calling the kills.

Kness and I just got done being mafia together and did not kill active players.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Then who is choosing the kills?

I don't get why that question is important. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s important because the answer is “based on the kills we’ve gotten, none of those players.”

If the mafia is me, Kness and an inactive until you replace in, either Kness or I am calling the kills.

Kness and I just got done being mafia together and did not kill active players.

Here http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthrea ... ost9075604

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scumchuck in the building

I would probably vote Speedchuck today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Dharmahelper] aubergine

Why?

I don't like his reaction to suspicions and his attitude. A lot of deflection and brushing off hidden behind cheeky comments and one liners. Not really giving me the same Town DH vibes in the firefly game. Feels like he's trying to replicate that "cool" attitude but he's coming off forced, and aggressive in a bad kind of way.

Wow for someone who is never here to read the thread or vote you seem to have a p good idea about reasons for voting for me huh thats fucken strange.

No, that not "fucken strange". Ever heard of catching up?

Just seems interesting to me that spend like...4 days not voting and now that I'm on Jack and Knees you're like "Yep all this stuff about DH looks cool I'm gonna vote for DH"

I dunno maybe I'm off base but that has a certain stink to it.

Everyone who votes for you must be bad amiright?

[DharmaHelper]

[VOTE: Dharmahelper] aubergine

Why?

I don't like his reaction to suspicions and his attitude. A lot of deflection and brushing off hidden behind cheeky comments and one liners. Not really giving me the same Town DH vibes in the firefly game. Feels like he's trying to replicate that "cool" attitude but he's coming off forced, and aggressive in a bad kind of way.

Wow for someone who is never here to read the thread or vote you seem to have a p good idea about reasons for voting for me huh thats fucken strange.

No, that not "fucken strange". Ever heard of catching up?

Just seems interesting to me that spend like...4 days not voting and now that I'm on Jack and Knees you're like "Yep all this stuff about DH looks cool I'm gonna vote for DH"

I dunno maybe I'm off base but that has a certain stink to it.

Everyone who votes for you must be bad amiright?

[Jackofhearts2005]

LC/DH/Wilgy could be a team but I don't see them all voting early for jack

A speedchuck team prolly either has jack on it or a couple inactives

Honestly, I have no read on Wilgy. He was inactive and then deathtunneled another townie in SF without ever saying why and he’s doing the same here.

He could just be bad but I can and have seen him do what he’s doing here as town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

IDK Maybe I'm not getting it fam but it sounds like Nova is just parroting stuff other people have said about me and using that to vote for me

I mean, we are at least four (maybe five or six, depending on how LC feels now, and Speed) who's been concerned with many of the same things regarding you. We for sure aren't all scum.

Anyway, this is all rather interesting. I'm intrigued.

I don't think you or LC are bad at this point.

Lol with me and Kness and Nova?

[Turnip Head]

Can you build me some mafia teams, Jack?

[DharmaHelper]

IDK Maybe I'm not getting it fam but it sounds like Nova is just parroting stuff other people have said about me and using that to vote for me

I mean, we are at least four (maybe five or six, depending on how LC feels now, and Speed) who's been concerned with many of the same things regarding you. We for sure aren't all scum.

Anyway, this is all rather interesting. I'm intrigued.

I don't think you or LC are bad at this point.

Lol with me and Kness and Nova?

um

[Jackofhearts2005]

For 3 way tie

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can you build me some mafia teams, Jack?

DH/LC/Inactive

DH/Inactive/Inactive

Speed/Inactive/Inactive

LC/Inactive/Inactive

Wilgy counts as inactive.

I think I had reason to think Speed and DH were unaligned. I know the mafia isn’t Speed and LC and DH cause they don’t all stick their necks out in one way or another to save Marmot. In fact, I don’t think Speed and LH both do it if they’re aligned.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Call me pocketed but I think Kyle, Dizzy, TH all town and I don’t think Kness can be scum with just inactives due to where the kills are falling. I also doubt Kness is scum with DH or LC. Maybe with Speed.

[speedchuck]

So to clarify, JoH:

You have no scumteams that include Dizzy, Kylemii, Kness, Nova (Inactive???), or TH.

Those are your current lock-town reads?

linki: F you I made this post.

[speedchuck]

I'm being pretty convinced right now by JoH's call to meta. I feel inactives would be flying straight to hell if he was scum captain.

Source: Been scum with the guy. And killing JJJ (presumably) N1? Lame as heeeeellllll

[speedchuck]

I could buy that Marmot and Luna controlled the kill N1. Most of the rest were inactives. DH came in to save ruin the day as another mafia bro.

Add in Wil(g)y and DF, call it a day.

That's a proposed scumteam I would buy.
But I like DH.

[DharmaHelper]

I could buy that Marmot and Luna controlled the kill N1. Most of the rest were inactives. DH came in to save ruin the day as another mafia bro.

Add in Wil(g)y and DF, call it a day.

That's a proposed scumteam I would buy.
But I like DH.

[speedchuck]

It makes sense. Remember the whole replacement=scum thing. (excluding White because White didn't have any posts so that made them a priority)

Also POE if Jack is town. And I like Jack too.

[DharmaHelper]

But I'm town tho.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think it’s funny that every game with multiple unreplaced inactives has speculation why so and so was replaced but not this other person....and then we forget to follow up after the game.

Just as well. I don’t want to play against Epi in Epi’s game.

Speed, you wanna give me some potential mafia teams in your opinion?

[Jackofhearts2005]

And yeah, I’m classifying Nova as an inactive atm. He might come out of that category if he keeps it up and then I’ll sort him.

[Long Con]

Then who is choosing the kills?

I don't get why that question is important. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s important because the answer is “based on the kills we’ve gotten, none of those players.”

If the mafia is me, Kness and an inactive until you replace in, either Kness or I am calling the kills.

Kness and I just got done being mafia together and did not kill active players.

Yeah, but you're not robots. You don't have to do the same thing every time.

This idea of "who would kill the active players?" has certainly been a subtheme. I'm not entirely sure who has pushed this angle the most, but I tried searching the thread for "active", and "talkative", and "killing" to find the genesis of the idea, and the earliest mentions of the idea are these:

RE: 1154

I see Sloonei deciding to shoot the bullmac on his leg and trust his skills to escape lynch as a more likely scenario than scum deciding to eliminate a player that was pushing a fellow townie and unlikely to ever change his mind.

If I’m scum Sloonei, I have no problem killing Mac and if I’m scum Jack with town Sloonei, I leave Mac alive.

I'm thinking the baddies want to hedge their bets by getting rid of more active players. Just the same, after yesterday's lynch, I think I know which way to go.

I don't know how deeply I want to fall into the DH-brewed Kness-Jack team, I'm just saying that the "I wouldn't do that" argument is not convincing to me.

[DrWilgy]

Just checking in... Ties are good. Makes me think more knowable people are trying to influence the poll options. I didn't think this was a thing before #KillJack so I'm still on board.

[Turnip Head]

Just checking in... Ties are good. Makes me think more knowable people are trying to influence the poll options. I didn't think this was a thing before #KillJack so I'm still on board.

[Dyslexicon]

We can also just lynch Wilgy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[speedchuck]

Lunalee's mentions of Alien (he who became DharmaHelper)

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Hello. We have not played together. Tell me about yourself.

Pleased to meet you.

Umm, I'm a 20 year old guy who isn't very interesting.

Yourself?

I am an exceedingly interesting 26 year old male.

What’s your deal in the game of mafia?

Well consider my interest piqued!

What do you mean by 'deal''?

What's your playstyle? Where do you come from? How long have you been playing? What do you look for when you're playing?

I'm not really sure how to describe my playstyle. I tend to interrogate people a lot, and my intuition has often proven to be pretty strong.

I come from a community I've been a part of ever since I was 12 or so, I've grown up alongside the people there and got some close friends there

I've been playing forum mafia for about two and a half years

I read posts and listen to what my intuition tells me about them, so I don't really actively look for anything specific, I just let my reads come to me -but obviously ultimately I'm looking for scum, even if I'm scum myself I try to trick myself into genuinely looking for scum but I have a difficult time doing that. And of course I look for fun!

What about yourself?

Got any "intuition" reads yet?

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
DFaraday was definitely around on Sunday, but still hasn't bothered to engage with the thread until today. Could be legit busy, or mafia taking a back-seat role to avoid suspicion.
Dom has done very little other than vote for Eloh. Not a good look.
Dr. Wilgy checked in on day 0, but then forgot the game started until today. Nothing really to go on unless it's a brilliant mafia strategy of "just step away and pretend the game doesn't exist"
Soneji checked in on day 0 and hasn't been back. So I've got nothing.
Alien was actually quite active on day 1, but hasn't been back since. On day 1, Alien left his vote on Mac, even though he previously read "Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh" I don't like his back-tracking here.
Marmot called me out for calling him an inactive. He actually has been fairly active, but he still hasn't said all that much.. Maybe it's just his playstyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marmot turned out to be scum.

Not done, but posting this for now. I'll finish up later this evening.

[speedchuck]

Marmot's mentions of Alien (he who became DharmaHelper)

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[speedchuck]

Luna's mentions of JoH (I searched for Jack, sooo if she used JoH, I missed it.)

Spoiler: show

Good: Luna, Mac, Jack, Nutella, Speedchuck

Bad: Quin, Sloonei, Long Con, JJJ

mmm wrong about LC but otherwise k

Why do you say so, nutella? (or maybe I should just catch up before posting)

Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?

He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.

I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.

What was the case on Colin? I didn't know he was a counter-wagon

Colin essentially said Sloonei’s play here reminded him of his play in Greece, specifically the way Sloonei treated him when they were mafia partners.

This was not well received as comparisons to his Sloonei treated a mafia partner would necessitate Colin also being mafia in this game. Ergo, Colin’s case on Sloonei is fake. Ergo Colin is scum.

I saw that, but his point was that Sloonei was placing a vote and making up a reason for it. Would scum Colin be that stupid?

Jack knew Jay was gonna die, fight me

You can state your opinions without getting into fights. But what makes you think Jack knew?

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Spoiler: show

Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

This post ignores any possible subtlety and other motivations for question-asking, and leaps straight to "false ignorance or genuine ignorance, either way I'll vote for him". The goal is more to create a weird, confusing target than anything else. Not a good look.

I should have known you'd come after me for this
It was what I felt at the time, and apparently nobody else really cared, so I thought I'd share my thoughts.

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Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I thought you promised to vote for me today.

Sloonei/Luna w/w just struck me here. Friendly non-distancing distancing.

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Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.

So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.

Shallow inquisition and platitudes, still unimpressed.

Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time

Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

Defending the Civ who is most under fire is a good look... to invent for yourself.

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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Low Player Salad, not the worst case of Salad I have seen, but excessive. Speedchuck was low/lazy?

... Luna's last analysis post is good follow-up at least. Some suspicion, I'll follow that vote. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

So the reason Speedchuck was added to my list of people I wanted to look closer at (player salad I believe you call it?), was I wanted to analyze those Jack had null reads on. Apparently speed has been posting plenty, and for some reason Jack still had a null read on him.

[speedchuck]

Marmot's mentions of Jack

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Hi, @Marmot

Ready to play yet?

Yes, would do you require of me?

Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present to you “freaked out” Marmot.

Wait what?

Sorry been busy with house projects the past couple days...

Well that's cool. Enjoy lynching me.

(Silently votes Simon)

There were reasons for that that I won't go into deeply.

But yeah I freaked out, I saw a bunch of votes on me, voted Simon because there was only a minute left in the day, but stopped posting because I realized it was the right thing to do.

Thought exercise: If Marmot is bad, is there any chance the Simon voters contain one or more teammates of his, and if so, who the hell?

Could be Speed. Could be LC. Could be bad luck.

No, you're my teammate.

I think it’s wifom that points to Marmot being bad, which is convenient cause I’m not moving my vote.

I'm not Gemeni Man and whoever is can go to hell for wrecking this chaos.

Conclusion:

I am town

Jack and sprityo are both scum.

Carry on. [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

[speedchuck]

Luna talkin' about Knees

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Hello everyone.

Welcome K-Ness! Tell me about yourself. What brings you to this epic mega man game?

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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

I'm leaning on sloonei and Jack today. What's the reasoning behind the votes on Luna?

I've finally posted enough to start looking scummy. It happens every game.

[speedchuck]

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