Hogwarts Mafia - END

[nutella]

Not really. A check-in post can come whenever. Why does that Day 0/1 distinction matter?

Because modblock only happen if someone doesn't post for an entire DP
D0 has no effect on D1 post count.

I'm sorry but I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make. nova has 0 posts in the game, regardless of phase. lapluie has one post in the game, regardless of phase. I have no basis on which to read nova at all, and as such I followed the math. I have one post on which to read lap, and it's at least mildly icky (as is the implied awareness of the game following from that post without having returned).

If they're scum they would have more urge to not be modblocked so they can use their abilities D0 has no effect on that, D1 is. I don't get how you read Lap as bad due to you viewing her 1 post on D0 as she did it because she urged to.

Anyone find this productive?

kind of, yeah?? it's a valid criticism of Jay's lap read/gth and an argument in favor of her towniness. do you not consider that input to be productive?

[DharmaHelper]

Not really. A check-in post can come whenever. Why does that Day 0/1 distinction matter?

Because modblock only happen if someone doesn't post for an entire DP
D0 has no effect on D1 post count.

I'm sorry but I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make. nova has 0 posts in the game, regardless of phase. lapluie has one post in the game, regardless of phase. I have no basis on which to read nova at all, and as such I followed the math. I have one post on which to read lap, and it's at least mildly icky (as is the implied awareness of the game following from that post without having returned).

If they're scum they would have more urge to not be modblocked so they can use their abilities D0 has no effect on that, D1 is. I don't get how you read Lap as bad due to you viewing her 1 post on D0 as she did it because she urged to.

Anyone find this productive?

kind of, yeah?? it's a valid criticism of Jay's lap read/gth and an argument in favor of her towniness. do you not consider that input to be productive?

Moreso that I got the impression from their exchange that it would have been better/more productive if they stopped a few posts ahead. Seemed too drawn out to me, like they were talking each other in circles and not through the points they wanted to make.

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

If Owner had three or four or five or six votes (I think I heard all of these numbers) around the time this post was made, ask yourself what its purpose was.

The language of this post doesn't suggest "gut" at all, but rather is assertive and sure of itself in a way that doesn't ring true with respect to mere intuition.

"Engages with Epi in his player salad post."

I suppose in this day and age if you name more than two people as suspects, you are guilty of making a "salad" or some nonsense such as that. I named my four top suspects at the time. I ask you, is there a way I can do that without someone being able to characterize it as a "salad?"

"Epi tries to distance himself from Owner"

The biggest issue I have with this particular comment is its circularity: It assumes the conclusion it aims to support is true, which is the only way the premise can be true. This suggests to me that Lunalee is less interested in figuring out if I'm bad or not and more interested in making it look like I am bad should Owner be lynched and be revealed as bad.

" Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null""

And? What about it?

I submit that when it appeared likely that Owner was on the way out the door, Lunalee used one of my own favorite mafia tricks in the book: Getting a preemptive start on the next Day.

Actually the poll was a three-way tie at the time (and Owner was one of the three) I started making this post.
I started looking at Owner's ISO, and I thought, "hey with the way Owner and Epi have interacted with each other, what if they were scum mates?"
Throwing out actual reasons you suspect 4 people is better than just saying you suspect those 4 people. That to me is what makes the difference between "player salad" and "here are my suspects."
The reason I thought is was strange that Owner lists you as "null" was because she seemed to have opinions on everyone else she interacted with except you.
Those were my thoughts, and admittedly I threw out my "gut read" post without a ton of thought, but it was close to EOD, and I thought it might be useful for discussion.

Protip: On Day 1, I don't need reasons to suspect people.

Is this why you're voting me?

[nutella]

Not really. A check-in post can come whenever. Why does that Day 0/1 distinction matter?

Because modblock only happen if someone doesn't post for an entire DP
D0 has no effect on D1 post count.

I'm sorry but I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make. nova has 0 posts in the game, regardless of phase. lapluie has one post in the game, regardless of phase. I have no basis on which to read nova at all, and as such I followed the math. I have one post on which to read lap, and it's at least mildly icky (as is the implied awareness of the game following from that post without having returned).

If they're scum they would have more urge to not be modblocked so they can use their abilities D0 has no effect on that, D1 is. I don't get how you read Lap as bad due to you viewing her 1 post on D0 as she did it because she urged to.

Anyone find this productive?

kind of, yeah?? it's a valid criticism of Jay's lap read/gth and an argument in favor of her towniness. do you not consider that input to be productive?

Moreso that I got the impression from their exchange that it would have been better/more productive if they stopped a few posts ahead. Seemed too drawn out to me, like they were talking each other in circles and not through the points they wanted to make.

Sure, I guess. I think it was worth her pointing out the rules distinction to Jay, though perhaps he should have realized it earlier, especially considering the host made a specific post about it in addition to the rules...

[Epignosis]

I submit that when it appeared likely that Owner was on the way out the door, Lunalee used one of my own favorite mafia tricks in the book: Getting a preemptive start on the next Day.

Meaning she tried to hem you up knowing Owner would flip bad, or meaning she tried to hem you up once Owner flipped civ?

The former.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

If Owner had three or four or five or six votes (I think I heard all of these numbers) around the time this post was made, ask yourself what its purpose was.

The language of this post doesn't suggest "gut" at all, but rather is assertive and sure of itself in a way that doesn't ring true with respect to mere intuition.

"Engages with Epi in his player salad post."

I suppose in this day and age if you name more than two people as suspects, you are guilty of making a "salad" or some nonsense such as that. I named my four top suspects at the time. I ask you, is there a way I can do that without someone being able to characterize it as a "salad?"

"Epi tries to distance himself from Owner"

The biggest issue I have with this particular comment is its circularity: It assumes the conclusion it aims to support is true, which is the only way the premise can be true. This suggests to me that Lunalee is less interested in figuring out if I'm bad or not and more interested in making it look like I am bad should Owner be lynched and be revealed as bad.

" Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null""

And? What about it?

I submit that when it appeared likely that Owner was on the way out the door, Lunalee used one of my own favorite mafia tricks in the book: Getting a preemptive start on the next Day.

Actually the poll was a three-way tie at the time (and Owner was one of the three) I started making this post.
I started looking at Owner's ISO, and I thought, "hey with the way Owner and Epi have interacted with each other, what if they were scum mates?"
Throwing out actual reasons you suspect 4 people is better than just saying you suspect those 4 people. That to me is what makes the difference between "player salad" and "here are my suspects."
The reason I thought is was strange that Owner lists you as "null" was because she seemed to have opinions on everyone else she interacted with except you.
Those were my thoughts, and admittedly I threw out my "gut read" post without a ton of thought, but it was close to EOD, and I thought it might be useful for discussion.

Protip: On Day 1, I don't need reasons to suspect people.

Is this why you're voting me?

No. I'm voting you right now to have some place to vote. Whether it stays or moves is contingent upon what I read, what I stir up, and then what I read.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to announce Gryffindor won the first round of House Cup. This is looking like in the books already.

Riiiiiiigged.

Somebody mason with me.

Spoiler: show

*sneer*

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don't really have time to catch up before the lynch, but I can see from the Who Posted list that Nova still hasn't checked in so I will vote there today.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

I am not inclined to give Bullzeye credit for this, and indeed it might make the vote worse. There was a time when an off-wagon whatever vote on a mafia teammate was *el classico* as the resident hazelnut spread likes to say. I cannot remember recent examples of the phenomenon, though I have hardly paid the same kind of attention recently. It's a token distancing maneuver.

Eh. If it doesn't give him any credit, it's not a very good distancing move now is it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

i had a dream last night where speedchuck was killed at and he was mafia

that's almost exactly what happened last night

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Don't really have time to catch up before the lynch, but I can see from the Who Posted list that Nova still hasn't checked in so I will vote there today.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

I am not inclined to give Bullzeye credit for this, and indeed it might make the vote worse. There was a time when an off-wagon whatever vote on a mafia teammate was *el classico* as the resident hazelnut spread likes to say. I cannot remember recent examples of the phenomenon, though I have hardly paid the same kind of attention recently. It's a token distancing maneuver.

Eh. If it doesn't give him any credit, it's not a very good distancing move now is it?

Irrelevant and contingent upon the unknown from the mindset of the voter.

It’s not an uncommon thing. That’s why I called it “token”.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Floo Powder: This powder can be used to communicate from great distances. The student who uses this will be able to gain BTSC with another person of their choice until the end of the next night.

Take this, griffendorks. We can make up a secret code and be masons for the entire game.

If you're town, it will be super useful and if you're mafia, it'll at least be hilarious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If you don't I'm gonna tell my daddy on you.

[Kylemii]

Kyle - good

why?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Kyle plz.

[Kylemii]

Kyle plz.

plz what

[Jackofhearts2005]

Kyle plz.

plz what

[Jackofhearts2005]

ebwop

[Kylemii]

who is that

[Jackofhearts2005]

Merula Snyde.

Don't play the Harry Potter mobile game. It's garbage. But the memes are good.

[Glorfindel]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] Nice to be playing with you again! We’ve never quite connected in any game we’ve played previously so this might be the first. Tell me, what do you think of Quin?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Kyle - good

why?

Because your alignment correlates with your smell.

[Quin]

Anyway, on juliets:

Tonally, I don't see an alignment. Her politeness is making it hard to tell. One observation I have very little opinion on but I'll post nonetheless:

Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

Epi aren't the abilities used at night? We haven't had a game night yet. Or am I missing something (there were A LOT of things to digest in game Set-Up).

Owner's suspicion of DH reads ingenuine
Her defense of the Deathly Hallows/Dark Arts thing wasn't even needed, but she overexplained it in a way that looked nervous

Are there any other facets to the case there?

I'd like to see what was behind her "I have my reasons" about DH just in case it's something tangible that happened in this game that I overlooked.

juliets made two "what's going on?" posts on Day 1. The second kind of contradicts the first since I'd expect she go through at least the effort to figure out if things can happen on Day 1 and realise that there isn't anything "tangible" out there at this point.

Hey @Quin the second post was me talking about the fact that I had asked OoaLH several questions that she hadn't yet answered. One of the things I asked her about was what she meant by "I have my reasons" regarding thinking DH was a baddie. I wasn't saying "whats going on?", I was expressing to speed that I was still waiting for her answers. If I've misunderstood your point just let me know.

I was interpreting the word "tangible" to mean concrete information. Role info and stuff like that. You've cleared that up for me in any case.

[Long Con]

Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

HA. yes.

Very early post, lots of ways it can be interpreted. Seven minutes later, though...

Lynching anybody Day 1 always feels bad and everyone seems so happy to be here. Soneji almost never shows up to play so I'ma vote there for now.

I know how you feel. When I'm scum I feel bad about lynching all the innocent townies too.

...that starts to look a little, what, opportunistic? I don't know if that's the right word for such early-game banter. Would Luna have said this if Epi hadn't done his thing?

Side: Epi wanna comment on the 'TH is bad' thing? Seems like an appropriate time to discuss now that hes a dead Civ.

Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

DH called this out as a scummy thing to say, iirc, and I have had trouble deciding if I agree.

Looking at it now and forcing my opinion, I have to break it down a little. "The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties." A hard starting point, I think maybe the phrase "magnificent ties" jams me up because I don't know how to understand that. "Really good ties"... "awesome ties"... "astounding ties"... what makes them magnificent? Anyway...

The rest of the post doesn't give me any logical connection (did someone tell me earlier that seeking logic was bad?) to the idea that ties have anything to do with the post. It's about avoiding being part of a Civ lynch. Looks like a plan to vote off a Civ lynch to avoid losing House points. Not that Luna ended up doing that; she voted Owner in the magnificent tie that I broke at the last second. I come up short with a solid judgment on this one.

I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

This is the post in question:

juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.

so you know you're on different teams

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

Just a bit of 'Quin is good and Jay is bad' in the softest sense. Maybe some value can come out of this after we know Quin and/or Jay's alignments.

I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.

Yay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.

Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.

Pretty sure Owner is town.

This is pretty pertinent, considering Luna does a complete turnaround on Owner and never really talks about this opinion again.

Oh, and just in case anyone wants to shove some truth serum down my throat, I'm town.

Someone said that this was a cagey way to fool a lie detector, I think, but I think it's pretty solid. The "I'm town" statement stands fine, and the stuff before it doesn't invalidate it. Am I wrong? I support detection on this statement, actually, but let me know if my Lie-Logic is missing something.

gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

Spoiler: show

I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

This is the turnaround post on Owner (and Epi of course). I don't see it the same way as Luna portrays it. I think Owner's question about JJJ is pretty normal, because JJJ had been active enough in the thread to get some opinions going about him. The distancing accusation is really weak, and requires a solid presupposition that they're both bad. You could take almost any accusation post and call it distancing between baddies, if that's what you already think. And I think the Epi-null analysis is apt, because Epi is notoriously hard to read.

[Long Con]

Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

HA. yes.

Very early post, lots of ways it can be interpreted. Seven minutes later, though...

Lynching anybody Day 1 always feels bad and everyone seems so happy to be here. Soneji almost never shows up to play so I'ma vote there for now.

I know how you feel. When I'm scum I feel bad about lynching all the innocent townies too.

...that starts to look a little, what, opportunistic? I don't know if that's the right word for such early-game banter. Would Luna have said this if Epi hadn't done his thing?

Side: Epi wanna comment on the 'TH is bad' thing? Seems like an appropriate time to discuss now that hes a dead Civ.

Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

DH called this out as a scummy thing to say, iirc, and I have had trouble deciding if I agree.

Looking at it now and forcing my opinion, I have to break it down a little. "The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties." A hard starting point, I think maybe the phrase "magnificent ties" jams me up because I don't know how to understand that. "Really good ties"... "awesome ties"... "astounding ties"... what makes them magnificent? Anyway...

The rest of the post doesn't give me any logical connection (did someone tell me earlier that seeking logic was bad?) to the idea that ties have anything to do with the post. It's about avoiding being part of a Civ lynch. Looks like a plan to vote off a Civ lynch to avoid losing House points. Not that Luna ended up doing that; she voted Owner in the magnificent tie that I broke at the last second. I come up short with a solid judgment on this one.

I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

This is the post in question:

juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.

so you know you're on different teams

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

Just a bit of 'Quin is good and Jay is bad' in the softest sense. Maybe some value can come out of this after we know Quin and/or Jay's alignments.

I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.

Yay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.

Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.

Pretty sure Owner is town.

This is pretty pertinent, considering Luna does a complete turnaround on Owner and never really talks about this opinion again.

Oh, and just in case anyone wants to shove some truth serum down my throat, I'm town.

Someone said that this was a cagey way to fool a lie detector, I think, but I think it's pretty solid. The "I'm town" statement stands fine, and the stuff before it doesn't invalidate it. Am I wrong? I support detection on this statement, actually, but let me know if my Lie-Logic is missing something.

gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

Spoiler: show

I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

This is the turnaround post on Owner (and Epi of course). I don't see it the same way as Luna portrays it. I think Owner's question about JJJ is pretty normal, because JJJ had been active enough in the thread to get some opinions going about him. The distancing accusation is really weak, and requires a solid presupposition that they're both bad. You could take almost any accusation post and call it distancing between baddies, if that's what you already think. And I think the Epi-null analysis is apt, because Epi is notoriously hard to read.

[Long Con]

I submitted that early, it was going to have an intro part involving Epi's accusation of Luna, which is what made me look into her. It was going to be mildly funny as well, where I show a hypothetical conversation where I ask Epi why Luna, and then he gives me a non-response of some sort as Epi is wont to do, and then I go and do the damn work myself... but oh well.

That was my analysis of why Epi might have the suspicion of Luna.

[Long Con]

I would put Luna as Orange Skittle on the rainbow list, based on this.

[Long Con]

Everything with you people is a two-way street

If I don't respond to/with something, it means I'm scum.

If I do respond, it means I'm scum.

[mention]karavalenge[/mention] , is there any evidence that supports your claim here?

Looking at your ISO, this kind of defensive-to-the-point-of-paranoia behaviour shows up a couple of times... and there's not that much else to judge you by.

[Long Con]

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This really looks like Owner both is scum and has a Deathly Hallow and got mixed up cause it was altogether in their role card.

It's also possible that they're just confused because the ruleset is really confusing.

This post looks like you think Owner is scum (despite the allowance for confusion due to confusing), but when Owner was on the chopping block, you didn't have a vote on her. You didn't vote for anyone, actually.

Would you have voted for Owner?

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

[Kylemii]

Kyle - good

why?

Because your alignment correlates with your smell.

i smell like sandalwood and oranges

[Kylemii]

Kylemii Nice to be playing with you again! We’ve never quite connected in any game we’ve played previously so this might be the first. Tell me, what do you think of Quin?

hello!

quin is taking a more active approach to this game than I'm used to seeing him take, in the sort of jabby punch way that he does, which on the surface level looks good to me.

wbu?

[Kylemii]

i smell like sandalwood and oranges cus I ran out of one type of soap in the middle of showering and had to finish with the second kind, it wasn't an active choice

[karavalenge]

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This really looks like Owner both is scum and has a Deathly Hallow and got mixed up cause it was altogether in their role card.

It's also possible that they're just confused because the ruleset is really confusing.

This post looks like you think Owner is scum (despite the allowance for confusion due to confusing), but when Owner was on the chopping block, you didn't have a vote on her. You didn't vote for anyone, actually.

Would you have voted for Owner?

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

Yes, I missed voting time because of a meeting that ran long that day. That's why I went ahead and voted Owner today.

[MacDougall]

I'm not gonna read the posts in this game properly until there are at least 2000 posts. Get cracking kids.

[MacDougall]

So I am a cop and I Quin is Mafia

[MacDougall]

I am gonna play a game with myself since nobody is here. I am going to read the first three posts of every player in the game in isolation and call out the entire (remaining) scum team. Here we go.

[MacDougall]

The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

[MacDougall]

End dat game.

[Quin]

So I am a cop and I Quin is Mafia

i love you

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I'll be gone a good bit of today. I'll post again when I'm home.

[juliets]

good morning all -

[mention]Bullzeye[/mention] I posted a couple of questions for you to answer but maybe you have not been in the thread since. I am considering voting for you so I hope you will have some dialogue with me first regarding those questions. I'm not sure I "alerted" you with a mention in that post so I'm drawing your attention to it here.

[juliets]

The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share.

[Lunalee]

Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

HA. yes.

Very early post, lots of ways it can be interpreted. Seven minutes later, though...

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Lynching anybody Day 1 always feels bad and everyone seems so happy to be here. Soneji almost never shows up to play so I'ma vote there for now.

I know how you feel. When I'm scum I feel bad about lynching all the innocent townies too.

...that starts to look a little, what, opportunistic? I don't know if that's the right word for such early-game banter. Would Luna have said this if Epi hadn't done his thing?

Side: Epi wanna comment on the 'TH is bad' thing? Seems like an appropriate time to discuss now that hes a dead Civ.

Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

DH called this out as a scummy thing to say, iirc, and I have had trouble deciding if I agree.

Looking at it now and forcing my opinion, I have to break it down a little. "The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties." A hard starting point, I think maybe the phrase "magnificent ties" jams me up because I don't know how to understand that. "Really good ties"... "awesome ties"... "astounding ties"... what makes them magnificent? Anyway...

The rest of the post doesn't give me any logical connection (did someone tell me earlier that seeking logic was bad?) to the idea that ties have anything to do with the post. It's about avoiding being part of a Civ lynch. Looks like a plan to vote off a Civ lynch to avoid losing House points. Not that Luna ended up doing that; she voted Owner in the magnificent tie that I broke at the last second. I come up short with a solid judgment on this one.

I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

This is the post in question:

juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.

so you know you're on different teams

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

Just a bit of 'Quin is good and Jay is bad' in the softest sense. Maybe some value can come out of this after we know Quin and/or Jay's alignments.

I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.

Yay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.

Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.

Pretty sure Owner is town.

This is pretty pertinent, considering Luna does a complete turnaround on Owner and never really talks about this opinion again.

Oh, and just in case anyone wants to shove some truth serum down my throat, I'm town.

Someone said that this was a cagey way to fool a lie detector, I think, but I think it's pretty solid. The "I'm town" statement stands fine, and the stuff before it doesn't invalidate it. Am I wrong? I support detection on this statement, actually, but let me know if my Lie-Logic is missing something.

gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

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I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

This is the turnaround post on Owner (and Epi of course). I don't see it the same way as Luna portrays it. I think Owner's question about JJJ is pretty normal, because JJJ had been active enough in the thread to get some opinions going about him. The distancing accusation is really weak, and requires a solid presupposition that they're both bad. You could take almost any accusation post and call it distancing between baddies, if that's what you already think. And I think the Epi-null analysis is apt, because Epi is notoriously hard to read.

okay, so I guess you weren't there for it, but Epi, Kara, and I were scum in Everyone's insane mafia, and Turnip Head bluffed being a cop on day 2 and said Epi was bad. Epi got lynched, he was bad, we night killed Turnip Head, and he wasn't the cop!

[Lunalee]

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This really looks like Owner both is scum and has a Deathly Hallow and got mixed up cause it was altogether in their role card.

It's also possible that they're just confused because the ruleset is really confusing.

This post looks like you think Owner is scum (despite the allowance for confusion due to confusing), but when Owner was on the chopping block, you didn't have a vote on her. You didn't vote for anyone, actually.

Would you have voted for Owner?

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

Yes, I missed voting time because of a meeting that ran long that day. That's why I went ahead and voted Owner today.

But do you really think owner should still be lynched? Because the way she acted when she thought she was going down sort of looked town to me. I don't want her to die today.

[Lunalee]

So I am a cop and I Quin is Mafia

i love you

hang on, lemme go steal speedchuck's Quindar

[Glorfindel]

Kylemii Nice to be playing with you again! We’ve never quite connected in any game we’ve played previously so this might be the first. Tell me, what do you think of Quin?

hello!

quin is taking a more active approach to this game than I'm used to seeing him take, in the sort of jabby punch way that he does, which on the surface level looks good to me.

wbu?

I’d say that is a remarkably accurate assessment of his contributions so far. I’d be more cautious than you however in jumping to any conclusion about that suggesting that he is ‘good’. Having said that, I’m not sure that my meta/tonal reads even apply here anymore - as I alluded to this morning, things seem very different here now than they were when I used to play. Take Epi for example - I don’t remember him ever being so low key as he appears this game. I was thinking that looked a little out of the ordinary but maybe he’s changed his approach?

[Glorfindel]

The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share.

Forgive me but... @juliets: what on earth gave you a crazy idea like that?

[juliets]

Have a care, my friend! Insulting a player of the calibre of Jay is neither wise nor becoming.

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Psh. JJJ is an expired fad. He was something back in 2015, but has been on the decline for years. He shares his unwanted knowledge from bygone eras of mafia play, back when people played on their iPhone 6. His ego has only increased in the years since he was relevant, as none want to tell him that we've left the old ways. People like you and DDL glorify his name, bowing before the ancient guru as if he weren't a shriveled up stump, vomiting your dignity onto the floor and then splashing around in the puddles.

I have no idea why I just wrote that. I didn't really mean any of it.

Seriously though do something besides sucking up to JJJ or I will find a vig kill or a lynch rope to fit you.

Aaah, Chuckles - old friend! I feel like I’ve just been revived from a generation in cryo-suspension. I don’t understand where this hating on Jay has come from. I seem to remember The Syndicate as a somewhat kinder, gentler place. Now, it seems like aggravation and naked threats are the currency here...

Hi Glorf, good to have you playing. What do you see as "hating on Jay"? Are there specific things you're looking at or are you talking about the general tenor of the thread when Jay had votes on him?

[Lunalee]

Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

[Quin]

So I am a cop and I Quin is Mafia

i love you

hey mac repeat this last part but throw a 'learned' in between I and Quin there kthx

[juliets]

The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share.

Forgive me but... @juliets: what on earth gave you a crazy idea like that?
[[mention]juliets[/mention] The couple of games I've played with Mac where he was civ he was guns a-blazing picking out mafia. It doesn't mean I automatically buy his picks hook, line and sinker, that's why I asked him for some reasoning on them. It doesn't mean I think you are bad just because he named you.