Lisa and Isaiah
Things INH said to/about Lunalee:
LIKE!
INH used Luna's vague gripe against me as a springboard to promote his own previously-stated suspicion of me. K.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:49 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:36 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm
I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.
alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick.
Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me.
Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary.
PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery.
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm
Okay, inh is town
Nutella is too quick to buy INH's response. I get that he's busy and has limited time for mafia. But when he does have time to post, his content still pings me as not fully genuine. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but giving commentary on what's happening in the game, giving out fluffy/non reads, defending your own meta, and using the "busy" excuse, however true it may be, just makes me more inclined to suspect that you are scum.
So far INH's reads are Kara is town, JJJ looks a "tad suspicious," and Owner should be lynched.
I currently think Kara looks suspicious, and see no reason to town read him. Sort of agree with the JJJ thing, and disagree that Owner should be lynched.
well gee wilikers, I'm sorry that my opinions aren't enough for you Luna. Not sure where the hell you got the "fluffy non-reads" from. Scumreading JJJ, Owner, and Juliets currently. Townreading Kara, because her responses to folks attacking her sound hella genuine to me. Apologies that my ""busy" excuse" just makes you more inclined to scumread me. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion.
If you want to unduly dismiss everything I've said in this game and view it in the most negative possible light for no other substantive reason other than "I'm a skeptic," then, well, you can certainly choose to do that.
There's something awkward about this exchange which I am finding difficult to describe. INH was snarky in his response to Luna's beefs as he often is, but it feels a bit different in this case. In his sarcasm he is accepting of Luna's suspicion ("You're certainly entitled to your own opinion" / "you can certainly choose to do that"). Note the first sentence that I have highlighted: this is a characteristic response by INH to an accuser, but does it fit the accusation? Luna suggested INH's pings are not fully genuine, but not that they're "lacking" or "unsubstantial" or the like. The latter terms apply more to INH's response re: "aren't enough for you". The disconnect makes this read more manufactured than INH's similar snark as he handled Long Con and myself, for example.
This is a crucial exchange to assess if you are going to label Lunalee a mafia teammate of INH. It covers three posts for each of them, and mutual suspicion is being exchanged throughout. I think the language they use here is compatible for mafia teammates, but it doesn't scream at me. Indeed, moments of doubt are preventing me from harshing too much on Luna's vibe:
INH's "based on my dastardly practice of providing commentary on the thread" -- appeal to emotion junk which belittle's Luna's suspicion
Luna's "But lol, you don't feel great about nutella for her quick flop on you, but "I started it" by expressing my suspicions?"
I hope others will chime in on this exchange. The read can probably be reduced to this point, and it's a tough call.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm
I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed.
Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying.
This. Her 3 targets that she's focused on, Bullz, Kara, and me, have all been easy suspicions to come by, and mostly feel like her hopping onto easy suspects already mentioned by others. She criticized me for having too few/weak reads, and only providing "commentary" to the thread, while she herself has been guilty of all of that.
I always read willful hypocrisy as a scumtell. Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.
[VOTE:
lunalee] aubergine
INH continued to dump on Luna for taking the easy way out and hypocrisy (the latter accusation being an absolutely false representation of their content comparatively). Lunalee was pretty lynchable on Day 2, so this vote is important. It's difficult to assess relative to the Soneji wagon which sprung up late. Bullzeye might be a more accurate counterwagon at this moment.
Things Lunalee said to/about INH:
Luna LIKEs my case on INH
Lunalee was one of the first to acknowledge my suspicion of INH, and it actually took a while for anyone else to give a shit (the only other response I saw in a quick skim was DH making fun of it). I think that's decent for her. The thing was basically forgotten within ten minutes of my having posted it, and she brought it back.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:15 pm
Changing my vote to kara, because timmer's on board with it. And because no one shares my INH suspicions.
This one's not ideal. At least one person definitely shared the INH suspicion (the one who made the case she agreed with). There was enough time left in the day at this point to promote the lynch of any player on the roster.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Who buys INH as a civilian?
I'm not really sure how to read INH, but he sure didn't appreciate my suspicions of him yesterday. Feel free to go back and look.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:16 pm
Once my life is no longer endangered, I will happily join the INH lynch
I don't know what point Luna is making in the first post there. She has stated her suspicions, but this one seems to be a reversion to neutrality (at least in the specific language employed if not necessarily in spirit). The second one bugs me a bit, as at that point there were about 80 minutes remaining in the day. Self-preservation isn't so crucial with that much time remaining and numerous players present playing the game. Push the lynch you want as long as you can. This might be more of a strategic gripe than one which is indicative of alignment.
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Conclusion
This is a very mixed bag. I think INH's posts are barely good for her, and Luna's own posts are barely bad for her. If they're teammates then their distancing effort was thorough. It strikes me as relatively plausible.
Luna at least needs to answer for her handling of INH late in Day 2, per the last two points in this analysis.