Hogwarts Mafia - END

[speedchuck]

Only if you think there are two odd-night vigs.

Making assumptions ain't great.

But Yeah. Leaning toward revealing.

[ColinIsCool]

My fear was that the vig would be revealed, but I’m not really following all this night action shit anyway.

[nutella]

Yeah I'm still pretty confused about the whole patronus thing.

[Quin]

Some sort of redirection doesn’t seem like it should be out of the question.

Imperio is, because I was protected as well.

[speedchuck]

And if Quin is lying there is no need to involve my other now-townfirm

[timmer]

So you say Quin and a mystery person visited Long Con last night.

Quin says they used a protective item on themselves, me, and one other, thus are assuming that their action got redirected somehow.

Is this correct?

[Jackofhearts2005]

House cup results for Day/Night 3!

Just like in the books, when you take the protagonists out of the equation, the winner is...

Spoiler: show

Slytherin!

Please pick one of the items in the first page, folks.

@sprityo
@Jackofhearts2005
@karavalenge
@timmer

Fuck yeah. Who wants to be my new roomie?

[Quin]

And if Quin is lying there is no need to involve my other now-townfirm

Can you explain why this other person is a townfirm without revealing their identity?

[karavalenge]

Presumably because Long Con died in the night.

[karavalenge]

And if you didn't kill him, someone else did.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[Turnip Head]

Idk what REO means

Random Excessive Opinion

[speedchuck]

So you say Quin and a mystery person visited Long Con last night.

Quin says they used a protective item on themselves, me, and one other, thus are assuming that their action got redirected somehow.

Is this correct?

Yes

[speedchuck]

And if Quin is lying there is no need to involve my other now-townfirm

Can you explain why this other person is a townfirm without revealing their identity?

Somebody killed Long Con. If you are lying, then they did it. If you aren't lying, something fish happened.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My favorite post of this day phase is karavalenge saying I'm bad because I've been nice.

I'm not offended or anything, it's just such classic Mafia. Anyway, I'm going to do things now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to try something new with my interactive analyses. Y'all can tell me if it sucks or not. I will vary the size of my text point-by-point relative to how important or interesting I think it is. Bigger text reflects a more important point.

[DharmaHelper]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

How does the mafia team win the game if the whole team shits its pants right here in our game thread on Day 4?

[nutella]

Idk what REO means

Random Excessive Opinion

Don't call me out like that

[timmer]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

I'm a smidge hesitant on it, to say the least.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Now, I don't believe INH was rezzed to "perpetuate some kinda fuckery". It's at least a remote possibility that shenanigans may exist, but it isn't the most probable reality. You want to lynch him, be my guest. It's an easy fucking call.

Or we can do more with this phase regardless of the end result.

[DharmaHelper]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

How does the mafia team win the game if the whole team shits its pants right here in our game thread on Day 4?

[timmer]

Quin, my question to you is... if only 2 people targeted Long Con, one of which was you... why wouldn't you be DEMANDING the name of the other person, if it wasn't you who killed him?

[nutella]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

How does the mafia team win the game if the whole team shits its pants right here in our game thread on Day 4?

It depends, are your cornflakes in those pants?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

How does the mafia team win the game if the whole team shits its pants right here in our game thread on Day 4?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and ColinIsCool

Long Con's stuff

Spoiler: show

My comment was that we are not mafia partners because I like to discuss things with my mafia teammates, and I "spoiled" something for juliets (even though I PUT THE DAMN THING IN SPOILER TAGS), so we are not bad together in BTSC.

This logic seems unsound. Do you mean that you pre-discuss everything you say in the thread with your teammates when you're bad?

Like this right here. If civs weren’t capable of “unsound logic” then we’d never lose a game. Pedantic.

Ok, but you're putting your own extra ideas into this and implying that they're mine. My post said "I don't understand, Epi can you clarify?", not "Looks like bad logic and therefore a bad alignment."

Colin made a fair comment about LC's "logic seems unsound" assertion about Epignosis. LC's response, complete with an emoji expressing bewilderment, looks to me like something a mafioso says to a civilian to stall harsh criticism before it can arrive. Decent for Colin.

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I think Colin is scum. Even before the flip, he was setting this up.

If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.

He read me town for a little bit, but the instant things started going south for me he quickly did what felt like a 180 to me and pushed for my lynch.

Or basically, this whole if-then situation is particularly bad when both wagons are positioned on good players, which I feel like Colin knows this.

This is something that I will include in my own opinions. Good find.

Long Con endorsed Owner's suspicion of Colin. There's potential for distancing in basic things like this, though I wouldn't say it bears that appearance distinctly.

Spoiler: show

That said, I kind of suspect Colin and Mac for jumping on it.

Maybe I'll just shut up and wait for bullzeye to respond.

He "kind of" suspected Colin for jumping on Bullzeye's suspect D1 vote. Meh.

Spoiler: show

I changed my vote to Colin for now.

I wouldn’t mind getting lynched tbh. Confirm me as civ then rezz me. Have I mentioned that people with rezzes should use them?

I haven't voiced it yet, but please listen to Colin if you have a rez. Don't be wastin' a rez by dyin' on us now! Use use use! We have dead Civs. Turnip Head is cool, I'd really like him back since I sealed his doom with my tiebreaking vote.

This one really stands out to me, and in a way that works very well for Colin. Yes, listen to Colin here who is saying this proper civilian thing, and thus by association also listen to me, Long Con, given that I am also saying this proper civilian thing that proper civilian Colin is saying.

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Maybe he wants the perks that come with being a Confirmed Civ. He could reasonably expect protection from kills. I don't know, it's pretty weird. I'm sure the Phoenix Down owner has a plan, no need to "lynch a Civ" to get a good target. Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

I thought the not knowing INH was dead was townslippy. I guess a teammate could forget that their teammate died... or that theory about faking baddiness when killing. I saw that Jack disagrees.

Jesus every single post on this page looks suspicious as fuck. Good on y'all for getting me to stop townreading everyone.

It's mostly just me who you were already scum reading so I dunno what you expected.

It's everyone else too though. But I agree with Quin about Colin, and with you and Jay that Colin's non-interaction with inh is a bad look. LC's skeptical theory about Colin raised my eyebrow but my suspicion of Colin is stronger than my doubt by the end of the page. [VOTE: colin] aubergine

Less a theory, more trying to understand his motivations for requesting a lynch with the instant rez promised. Why do you think he said that?

(okay, that was a fun exercise, and in doing it I guess there wasn't quite as much suspicious content as it felt like there was. I think my point about LC is the one most worth considering.)

Ok, you do it. Discuss reasons why Colin might do that.

(okay, that was a fun exercise, and in doing it I guess there wasn't quite as much suspicious content as it felt like there was. I think my point about LC is the one most worth considering.)

Ok, you do it. Discuss reasons why Colin might do that.

Well he could be town wanting to get confirmed, but as Quin pointed out, why? He's barely even been suspected at all until now -- and what's more, he had just pointed out his fear that rezzes were either gone or in the wrong hands. If he's town he can't count on a rez, by his own admission. He can only rely on a rez if he's bad and knows his team has one. Whether he has some way to appear civ upon flip, or whether his team will rez him as a confirmed baddie, I can't say, but there doesn't really seem to be a town explanation.

Ok, thank you. That seems remarkably similar to my own post that is your top suspected post on the Page of Sin.

No, don't think so. You didn't point out the thing I did that if he's town he can't count on a rez. Your post painted much more of a bleak picture of a baddie fooling us all with a fake flip, and so I came out of your post interpreting more of an overall thesis of "don't lynch Colin he's tricking us" whereas I am saying we should just lynch him because he's bad and if he has a fake flip we'll just have to deal.

The "baddies have the rez" thing wasn't on my mind, that's true. Since we're analyzing Colin's intentions here, I'd say it wasn't on Civ!his (did I do that right?) mind either. So it's debatable whether that's useful.

Both our posts discussed Civ reasons for his play, and found them coming up short, and then we both looked at benefits of doing it as a baddie, with a nod to a possible Seemer aspect in his lynch. How does my post "paint a bleak picture of a baddie fooling us with a fake slip" when yours says "Whether he has some way to appear civ upon flip..." yet presumably avoids those connotations?

Anyway, be that as it may, I can't help you reading my post that way, but I don't recall having a huge "don't lynch Colin" push in that post. My post was geared more to discussing a couple of things and leaving it for Colin to take up before going further.

big post with long con in it

I didn't get that subtle defence or whatever from LC at all. Dunno how you interpreted it that way.

So anyway why isn't your vote on Colin? same goes for Long Con

I have found Colin's play pretty strong so far, and I have no intention of voting him because I can create a theory about his strange request that shows him as bad. Like I said, that wasn't the purpose of my post - to vilify Colin. I want him to respond to it before I decide anything.

I don't really have any suspicion of Colin apart from it.

Maybe he wants the perks that come with being a Confirmed Civ. He could reasonably expect protection from kills. I don't know, it's pretty weird. I'm sure the Phoenix Down owner has a plan, no need to "lynch a Civ" to get a good target. Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

Bingo. If I die then you know I’m a civ and if I come back, that’s good. Is this hard to understand?

On the contrary, it was my first notion. Then I realized it assumes you're Civ, and I took a look at the flip side.

Your reaction to this post is markedly different than nutella's to the same post where she describes me as: "simultaneously making Mr. Cool look villainous and deterring his lynch by implying that it's what the mafia want".

You don't really have to be a baddie-who-can-appear-as-Civ-upon-lynch to pull this as a baddie. You just have to know that there's no way everyone's going to go along with this plan.

I mean, you know that, right? Do you really expect us to hijack a lynch just so you can die and get rezzed?

If I am going to get lynched by the dumbest wagon ever in my time of playing Mafia then at least please answer this q before I go join my great friend Turbup Head in the, uhh, Mirror of Erised? I don’t fucking know you tell me.

Hypothetically assuming I used a Niffler, is it pro-town to share the results? Please weigh in on this and thank you.

I don't see the town benefit of publicizing Deathly Hallows locations. If anything, you'd mark that House for death.

But that's whatever.

So you asked to be lynched... and now that the votes are coming to you, you're getting salty about it??

LOL non please monsieur... allow me. [VOTE: Colin] aubergine We humbly await to serve your every request.

Follow the progression. LC speaks at length about Colin's "rez me" stuff, far more than that topic warranted in any legitimate hunt. LC meandered around on how he read it, found angles for suspicion, and ended up planting a vote on Colin. This was prior to the Glorfindel wagon taking off, I believe. It looks to me like LC wants to lynch Colin and is trying his best to legitimize that motion in a way that will look authentic (such that he doesn't take the brunt of the shit when Colin flips civilian).

Colin's stuff not already covered

Spoiler: show

My personal view is that Jay is a fellow of superior intellect and capable of analysis far beyond that of mere mortals. On that basis, if he’s Town, I’d much prefer him on our side. If by some fluke he’s bad, he’ll reveal himself later down the track. I think he’s far more useful to us alive.

Eh? What makes you say this? I have seen JJJ win as a baddie with everyone fooled.

Agreed — I don’t know how a bad JJJ revealing himself is an inevitability. Glorf’s posts about protecting JJJ almost feel like TMI, if Glorf is bad and JJJ is not

Neutral chatter about other people. Whatever.

Colin places LC in the "wary" tier (middle tier) of a N1 colorless rainbow. This means little to me.

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The Long Con case DH just posted is prettay good though too. He seems particularly opportunistic voting for me, more than Quin or the others.

Colin was cool with DH's case against Long Con. His own bias aside, I think the assertion of opportunism is valid.


~~~

Conclusion

I think Colin emerges looking considerably better.

[DharmaHelper]

Hey yall remember that time LC saved Owner and then defended her a bunch and also said Sloonei townslipped lol good times amirite.

[nutella]

Hey yall remember that time LC saved Owner and then defended her a bunch and also said Sloonei townslipped lol good times amirite.

Don't worry buddy, pepperidge farm remembers


(seriously though, I am moving sloonei up my shortlist to lynch next)

[Quin]

Quin, my question to you is... if only 2 people targeted Long Con, one of which was you... why wouldn't you be DEMANDING the name of the other person, if it wasn't you who killed him?

Why would I?

[nutella]

o damn dh overtook me again, I was second in post count for a while

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

How does the mafia team win the game if the whole team shits its pants right here in our game thread on Day 4?

It depends, are your cornflakes in those pants?

[Quin]

Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?

[DharmaHelper]

o damn dh overtook me again, I was second in post count for a while

I'm a blowhard I gotta blow...hard. Wait what.

[timmer]

Hey yall remember that time LC saved Owner and then defended her a bunch and also said Sloonei townslipped lol good times amirite.

inorite?

[timmer]

Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?

But... like, I don't want to sound rude, but isn't that exactly what it means?

If 2 people visited Long Con, and he died... one of the two killed him... right? So... if you know you didn't kill him... then from YOUR viewpoint, the other person is a baddie... right? So, if you are civ, why wouldn't you of ALL people be demanding this person's name?

Cuz LC's dead, man... LC's dead...

[Quin]

Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?

But... like, I don't want to sound rude, but isn't that exactly what it means?

If 2 people visited Long Con, and he died... one of the two killed him... right? So... if you know you didn't kill him... then from YOUR viewpoint, the other person is a baddie... right? So, if you are civ, why wouldn't you of ALL people be demanding this person's name?

Cuz LC's dead, man... LC's dead...

You reckon scum killed scum?

[nutella]

Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?

But... like, I don't want to sound rude, but isn't that exactly what it means?

If 2 people visited Long Con, and he died... one of the two killed him... right? So... if you know you didn't kill him... then from YOUR viewpoint, the other person is a baddie... right? So, if you are civ, why wouldn't you of ALL people be demanding this person's name?

Cuz LC's dead, man... LC's dead...

...u wot m8

[timmer]

Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?

But... like, I don't want to sound rude, but isn't that exactly what it means?

If 2 people visited Long Con, and he died... one of the two killed him... right? So... if you know you didn't kill him... then from YOUR viewpoint, the other person is a baddie... right? So, if you are civ, why wouldn't you of ALL people be demanding this person's name?

Cuz LC's dead, man... LC's dead...

You reckon scum killed scum?

Oh FFS, ignore me. You're right, that makes no sense. I'll see myself out. Again. Jesus...

[timmer]

I had it backwards. Holy shit, lol. This is why I shouldn't be allowed to have nice things.

[nutella]

timmer are you gettin lit again cause let me tell you just cause it's legal in canada doesn't mean every tuesday night you can just

[DharmaHelper]

Cannabis Maximus amirite

[Quin]

Well, not entirely, timmer.

I can't explain how I was redirected from what I've read in the setup, since you denied using a dodo. It's possible someone did something so LC would act as some sort of lightning rod. But that doesn't explain why only myself and ??? wound up targeting him.

[timmer]

K, new thought... (wow...)...

Quin, have you asked the host if your action got redirected? Because you say you didn't target LC, but we've got someone saying you did?

ETA: no, I'm heavily distracted is all.

[nutella]

jk i live in oregon and obviously we all out here gettin lit every single day

[nutella]

pretty sure we don't get the luxury of knowing if we got redirected, that would kinda defeat the purpose

[Quin]

K, new thought... (wow...)...

Quin, have you asked the host if your action got redirected? Because you say you didn't target LC, but we've got someone saying you did?

ETA: no, I'm heavily distracted is all.

I haven't, but since speedchuck is claiming that I was (potentially as a scum maneuver) I very much doubt I'll get an answer.

[nutella]

anyway I am also confused about why speed wants to confirm anything about anyone from this because there are so many role-fucker-upsy-doodles and such

[DharmaHelper]

Such a saucy day.

[nutella]

House cup results for Day/Night 3!

Just like in the books, when you take the protagonists out of the equation, the winner is...

Spoiler: show

Slytherin!

Please pick one of the items in the first page, folks.

@sprityo
@Jackofhearts2005
@karavalenge
@timmer

Fuck yeah. Who wants to be my new roomie?

maybe if you ever had anything remotely interesting to say ever

[Quin]

Hallows wouldn't thematically explain it, and there aren't any civilian secrets. That leaves three explanations afaik.

1. I'm a dirty rotten liar and deep down I know I deserve to be punished.
2. speedchuck is a dirty rotten liar and deep down he knows he deserves to be punished.
3. There's a redirection hidden behind the secrets of the mafia team.

I'm leaning #2.