Hogwarts Mafia - END

[juliets]

Anyway pretty neat how Speed was in Hufflepuff and flipped civ.

There are still others in Hufflepuff if you are referencing your belief that there is one in each house.

[DharmaHelper]

Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

My thought is you should expound.

[Lunalee]

Anyway pretty neat how Speed was in Hufflepuff and flipped civ.

You don't think a house can exist with only civs? I'm pretty sure the houses were established, then scum were randomly selected from the player list. No way it's as easy as "at least one scum per house"

[Sloonei]

Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

I don’t recall being active in the thread at the same time as Colin at any point in this game, and as such I have mo definitive read on him. I slapped a town read on him because of poutanko but that’s kind of gone out the window now. I’m interested in hearing your thoughts

[DharmaHelper]

[juliets]

Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

I hadn't even considered Colin but my thoughts are I'll wait to hear what you have to say. If Colin is bad doesn't that mean poutanko is bad? I mean could she have really gone wrong twice?

[Lunalee]

Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

My thought is you should expound.

Sure. I can work on that while I eat my dinner. I remember having a not-so-great feeling about Colin, so I'll go back and pull some of his posts up.

[Lunalee]

Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

I hadn't even considered Colin but my thoughts are I'll wait to hear what you have to say. If Colin is bad doesn't that mean poutanko is bad? I mean could she have really gone wrong twice?

Yes, that is very much still an option.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gryffindor actually won for a pretty silly reason this time.

Unfortunately I can't change the rules at this point.

Was it a supposed game of chess?

[DharmaHelper]

TFW the host has to stop you from winning cuz you just keep winning

[poutanko]

Oh I completely forgot about timmer. Yeah he could be bad, damn it.


And poutanko's speed check was allegedly night 1 (but she didn't claim it til day 4)

I can think of two answers to the poutanko question you raise but I'd rather hear it from her. @poutanko why did you wait for day 4?

...because there's this possibility of him being town and I was getting imperio'd. If Timmer was redirected to novase as he claimed it made sense for me to get a guilty on Bullz and that made him town. To out myself D2 is no-no. Bullz refused to give a read and there were 2 other wagons, Owner and Luna along with Bullz that ended up with Soneji. Bullz vote on novase and him coasting after "vouched" doesn't look good. I still sussed him but not sure enough to claim. D3 Timmer claimed to shoot him N1 (that matches with what I thought earlier of Bullz dodo-ing himself), Speed 2.0 didn't talk much either. He did say he didn't have dodo. D3 have LC and Colin wagons iirc and suddenly Glorf wagon near EoD. He said LC was a terrible lynch option yet voted him anyway. During N3 he even defended LC. No way I read him as Town after that. I was obliviated too N3 so no reason to keep the results anymore.

@DharmaHelperIf you're so sure there's scum in Hufflepuff why don't you lead a lynch on any of us?

I'll post my thought on Colin, Quin and who I sussed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

I hadn't even considered Colin but my thoughts are I'll wait to hear what you have to say. If Colin is bad doesn't that mean poutanko is bad? I mean could she have really gone wrong twice?

Yeah basically.

[Lunalee]

Here's what I didn't like about Colin. We have a scum-firmed INH in the game, and he acts scared of lynching him (in case it's a trap), and suggests lynching speed instead, who we now know is town. It struck me as odd then, and especially now that speed has flipped town.

I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.

In no universe does it make sense to lynch speedchuck before we lynch INH.

Except if:
A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today
B. Solving the speed-Quin-whatever stuff is more valuable to us collectively than having INH dead

I dunno the answer to either point.

[MacDougall]

And the winner last night's House Cup is... Gryffindor!

@ColinIsCool
@DharmaHelper

Pick an item. Remember you can't pick the same item you picked last time.

This is some bullshit right here

[DharmaHelper]

Here's what I didn't like about Colin. We have a scum-firmed INH in the game, and he acts scared of lynching him (in case it's a trap), and suggests lynching speed instead, who we now know is town. It struck me as odd then, and especially now that speed has flipped town.

I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.

In no universe does it make sense to lynch speedchuck before we lynch INH.

Except if:
A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today
B. Solving the speed-Quin-whatever stuff is more valuable to us collectively than having INH dead

I dunno the answer to either point.

Dost thou believe Poutanko's foul bewitchment is equally suspect?

[Lunalee]

Here's what I didn't like about Colin. We have a scum-firmed INH in the game, and he acts scared of lynching him (in case it's a trap), and suggests lynching speed instead, who we now know is town. It struck me as odd then, and especially now that speed has flipped town.

I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery. But I really don’t kniw how to handle any of this. You aren’t going down like a scum who has been caught unless you’re laying traps, but why would we listen to you if you flip bad anyway?

I think it’s possible Speed is town but it’s probably for the good of the town that we either lynch him now and get time to sort this out after, or lynch INH and vig him/lynch him shortly thereafter. Which is weird to say, but, uh, yeah.

In no universe does it make sense to lynch speedchuck before we lynch INH.

Except if:
A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today
B. Solving the speed-Quin-whatever stuff is more valuable to us collectively than having INH dead

I dunno the answer to either point.

Dost thou believe Poutanko's foul bewitchment is equally suspect?

Art thou asking if I think Poutanko is scum? I do think it a possibility.

[poutanko]

I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

[Lunalee]

I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei and Quin were quick to reveal all their night actions weren't they.

Quite so.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Even in role madness on a site with an unhealthy bus driver obsession and with every single mafia having a misdirector or a cmd (aka controlled misdirector aka redirector aka imperio) plus a 50% chance of a cloak somewhere and maybe a 25% chance of a miller, initially claimed cop results end up being accurate roughly 80% of the time. Maybe even better than that. (Follow up cop results depend on if watchers/guides/scum misdirector s are still alive.)

This game has secrets but it still ought to be more accurate than your average HCRealms game. I don’t see a world where Colin is scum and Pout is town.

[MacDougall]

Literally the only reason you'd go "Hey lets all out ourselves" is if you were bad and wanted everyone to reveal what powers they had so you knew who and how to kill. lol wow good job guys.

For a smart guy you're pretty dumb.

[poutanko]

I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.

...I did read as Jay killed by scum, and Speed by vig. Scum could redirect the vig if they want to keep him alive or protect him (just to keep a distraction). But clearly they didn't care if he's alive or dead because, they won't be suspected, is what I think.

[MacDougall]

Every time DharmaHelper makes a comment that offends me like "lol wow good job guys" implying I am stupid I am going to insult him in kind. I believe this is entirely fair. If you disagree make your case.

[DharmaHelper]

Every time DharmaHelper makes a comment that offends me like "lol wow good job guys" implying I am stupid I am going to insult him in kind. I believe this is entirely fair. If you disagree make your case.

Wild idea, great use of your time.

[Quin]

Sloonei and Quin were quick to reveal all their night actions weren't they.

Quite so.

You were quick to chicken out.

[poutanko]

I don’t see a world where Colin is scum and Pout is town.

We can try by lynching you, afterall you did make a wagon to counter LC/Colin wagon and Jay did go after you

[Lunalee]

I don’t see a world where Colin is scum and Pout is town.

We can try by lynching you, afterall you did make a wagon to counter LC/Colin wagon and Jay did go after you

Did that happen? Interesting. The main reason I town read Jack was because he was one of the first to town read me. I know that is a very lame reason to town read anybody, so I am open to looking into Jack a little more.

[juliets]

I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.

...I did read as Jay killed by scum, and Speed by vig. Scum could redirect the vig if they want to keep him alive or protect him (just to keep a distraction). But clearly they didn't care if he's alive or dead because, they won't be suspected, is what I think.

Poutanko do you think scum knows who the even night (or whatever) vig is? What makes you think so?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack makes a good point Jay might have been the mystery person.

Blocker and vig in the same slot could lead to more net kills and explain why 2-3 people are dying per night even when Timmer claims to be holstering it failimg. That is, that blocker never blocks that vig and every other night, that blocker doesn’t block at all.

[nutella]

Ugh poutanko is giving me sketchy feels now

I feel so unsure of everything anyone could be scum all of you are mafia and none of you are free of sin

[nutella]

Jack makes a good point Jay might have been the mystery person.

Blocker and vig in the same slot could lead to more net kills and explain why 2-3 people are dying per night even when Timmer claims to be holstering it failimg. That is, that blocker never blocks that vig and every other night, that blocker doesn’t block at all.

I don't understand what you're saying here at all but you reminded me Jay used a block n1 and also there is at least one other reason why I don't think he was the mystery person so never mind

[nutella]

Jack did you kill LC?

[poutanko]

I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.

...I did read as Jay killed by scum, and Speed by vig. Scum could redirect the vig if they want to keep him alive or protect him (just to keep a distraction). But clearly they didn't care if he's alive or dead because, they won't be suspected, is what I think.

Poutanko do you think scum knows who the even night (or whatever) vig is? What makes you think so?

They may or may not know hence my comment on either redirect the vig or protect Speed. It's possible they know the vig if scum have invigo potion to double their cop ability (they have crucio too), we're already on D5 now. For protect maybe not if one of their own was in danger (this is more related to what I think of why they killed Jay tho)

[poutanko]

Ugh poutanko is giving me sketchy feels now

I feel so unsure of everything anyone could be scum all of you are mafia and none of you are free of sin

You can lynch me to confirm, I'll be busy starting this weekend too

[Sloonei]

Jack makes a good point Jay might have been the mystery person.

Blocker and vig in the same slot could lead to more net kills and explain why 2-3 people are dying per night even when Timmer claims to be holstering it failimg. That is, that blocker never blocks that vig and every other night, that blocker doesn’t block at all.

This would mean Jay had answers during yesterday’s confusion. He didn’t strike me as someone who had answers.

[nutella]

I'm struggling to decipher all the mechanical stuff in poutanko's posts but I think she may have just scumslipped. I'm not sure but I'm curious to see if anyone else figures out what I'm seeing.

[nutella]

Hm wait maybe not, just some awkward wording but not necessarily a slip in context.

[Lunalee]

@nutella what did you think Poutanko said that could have been a slip?

[sprityo]

... so what if speedchuck’s flip is fake?

this isnt Phenon

[sprityo]

Uh FYI this plan sucks and won't catch any baddies because all the killing and shit the baddies do is in addition to their normal Hogwarts powers lol good job

seconded

[sprityo]

Some things:

1. I see the word vig thrown around a lot, did I miss the thread collectively confirming we dont have an SK within our midst?

2. Do i need to do work now? or is DH now the smartest man in the room?

3.

Spoiler: show

[DharmaHelper]

Would that I had eyes to see
The source of all this fuckery


- William Shakespeare

[MacDougall]

Sloonei and Quin were quick to reveal all their night actions weren't they.

Quite so.

You were quick to chicken out.

That's cuz DH made me feel like an idiot

[DharmaHelper]

Sloonei and Quin were quick to reveal all their night actions weren't they.

Quite so.

You were quick to chicken out.

That's cuz DH made me feel like an idiot

[MacDougall]

Well I was all amped up to conduct a big analysis of all the night actions to find bad guys but then you were like "heh your idea sucks Mac, fuck you" so I cried into my pillow instead.

[DharmaHelper]

Well I was all amped up to conduct a big analysis of all the night actions to find bad guys but then you were like "heh your idea sucks Mac, fuck you" so I cried into my pillow instead.

I'm sawwy. I can't help it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack makes a good point Jay might have been the mystery person.

Blocker and vig in the same slot could lead to more net kills and explain why 2-3 people are dying per night even when Timmer claims to be holstering it failimg. That is, that blocker never blocks that vig and every other night, that blocker doesn’t block at all.

I don't understand what you're saying here at all but you reminded me Jay used a block n1 and also there is at least one other reason why I don't think he was the mystery person so never mind

I'm saying one thing that cuts down on kills is a rb. Blocks mafia, blocks vig. If Jay was the vig, he spent half his time killing, time he wasn't blocking mafia kills. Because he was the vig, he wouldn't block the vig either. Hence there still being lots of kills even though Timmer claimed to holster and there are like 8 ways to stop kills.

But maybe Jay wasn't the vig if you haven't reason to believe he wasn't. I disagree with Sloonei's "didn't have answers" point. Vig needs to not seem like the vig or they get killed.

Jack did you kill LC?

This is me pointedly not answering this question.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Some things:

1. I see the word vig thrown around a lot, did I miss the thread collectively confirming we dont have an SK within our midst?

That has not been confirmed but there's no real reason to assume a sk either other than the high kill ratio.

[DharmaHelper]

AFAIK there's only the one Night with 3 kills the rest were 2? JC's hipogriff theory seems to me to be the most likely.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Test] aubergine