The Game of Champions 2018 [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

That's a fine request, but it's a little bit annoying since I have a whole Quin thing that took some work, and I'm pretty sure no one has acknowledged it exists in any way.

Maybe just have a look there first?

I took a look at this again, and I get why you say Colin looks good, because he does. But do you think he could make those same posts as Quin's teammate? Quin was playing a bit flippantly, so it would make sense for a teammate to bus him for it.

Maybe. Speedchuck and nutella say Quin is a big teammate-busser, so maybe they went into this game with a Big Bus plan that they're doing very well.

I'm not always right... more like almost always wrong, and sometimes lucky.

I change my mind a lot so I'm almost always right about something.

[sprityo]

Ok, something is going on here, and I have to share it because it's an open-info game, and because it's getting relevant. I started this lynch with two extra votes. I got wounded last night.

So, first off, put that in your lynch result calculations. If you maybe don't want me lynched, which would be great, then I might need a little extra love.

But it goes further than that, I was looking back over some posts, and I looked at Mac's death and role reveal again:

The One-Hour Werewolf
During the Night, you exhibit lycanthrope for exactly one hour and ravage the town and mafia alike. During the Night, in a one hour window, you will use your feral sense to sniff out a lie (you may lie detect one thing said in that window), use your heightened hearing and sight to learn who targeted whom during that hour, and scratch and claw at someone who posts during that time (he or she will begin the next Day with two votes due to wounds).

Mac was dead already during Night 2, when I got the wounds. I think what this means is that we have a role that can copy the powers of the dead. Maybe it's one of the people voting for me. Maybe it's nijuu, who is so enigmatic about her vote. (or is she vote-forced?)

It would really work for me if a role that uses dead player abilities was usually a baddie role, but I guess it's kind of neutral. In A World Reborn, the Grim Shaman was a baddie and had that power, as I recall. I see it as a better power for baddies to have. Makes more sense - they can kill cool roles for the sole purpose of harvesting their powers. Actually, that's a good point - if you reveal YOUR role/ability in the thread, they might want to harvest YOU! srsly tho

If some Civvie used the Werewolf power last night, then they have the potential to have lie-detected someone and detected targeting as well.

That is very interesting, especially given the two FORCED votes on TH yesterday.

It doesn't mean much regarding your alignment, but it does kinda make me want to move my vote.

linki: !?! weirdness

Wait what about two forced votes? I missed this somehow

Please explain further because it could really help our situation

[speedchuck]

Wait what about two forced votes? I missed this somehow

Please explain further because it could really help our situation

Juliets and I both voted for TH on D2. I was forced to do so. I think Juliets said she was as well?

[juliets]

Ok, something is going on here, and I have to share it because it's an open-info game, and because it's getting relevant. I started this lynch with two extra votes. I got wounded last night.

So, first off, put that in your lynch result calculations. If you maybe don't want me lynched, which would be great, then I might need a little extra love.

But it goes further than that, I was looking back over some posts, and I looked at Mac's death and role reveal again:

The One-Hour Werewolf
During the Night, you exhibit lycanthrope for exactly one hour and ravage the town and mafia alike. During the Night, in a one hour window, you will use your feral sense to sniff out a lie (you may lie detect one thing said in that window), use your heightened hearing and sight to learn who targeted whom during that hour, and scratch and claw at someone who posts during that time (he or she will begin the next Day with two votes due to wounds).

Mac was dead already during Night 2, when I got the wounds. I think what this means is that we have a role that can copy the powers of the dead. Maybe it's one of the people voting for me. Maybe it's nijuu, who is so enigmatic about her vote. (or is she vote-forced?)

It would really work for me if a role that uses dead player abilities was usually a baddie role, but I guess it's kind of neutral. In A World Reborn, the Grim Shaman was a baddie and had that power, as I recall. I see it as a better power for baddies to have. Makes more sense - they can kill cool roles for the sole purpose of harvesting their powers. Actually, that's a good point - if you reveal YOUR role/ability in the thread, they might want to harvest YOU! srsly tho

If some Civvie used the Werewolf power last night, then they have the potential to have lie-detected someone and detected targeting as well.

That is very interesting, especially given the two FORCED votes on TH yesterday.

It doesn't mean much regarding your alignment, but it does kinda make me want to move my vote.

linki: !?! weirdness

Wait what about two forced votes? I missed this somehow

Please explain further because it could really help our situation

I was forced to vote Turnip Head yesterday and speed chuck says he was also forced to vote Turnip Head yesterday. No one else voted for him, just us.

linki

[nutella]

Sprit what do you mean it could help our situation? What situation

[sprityo]

Sprit what do you mean it could help our situation? What situation

It could help my understand what might be happening today as far as those two forced votes go

[sprityo]

I’m guessing if anyone was being forced to vote they can’t tell us right [mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] ?

[speedchuck]

I’m guessing if anyone was being forced to vote they can’t tell us right @speedchuck @juliets ?

Not that I'm aware. I'd have told you yesterday, and indeed I tried to, but I was cursed.

[juliets]

I’m guessing if anyone was being forced to vote they can’t tell us right @speedchuck @juliets ?

There was no limitation placed on me. I was "possessed". (I was also cursed at the same time as a separate action).

[nutella]

I thought maybe niju's LC vote was forced

[juliets]

I thought maybe niju's LC vote was forced

I was thinking the same after someone (probably you) brought it up earlier.

[S~V~S]

After WWE a few years back, I will believe anyone will do anything, and "would a teammate do *X*" doesn't resonate for me. In that game, my teammate MP came in and aggressively attacked me for distancing and cred. We actually had words about it, I was pretty upset. It wound up rebounding on him, he got lynched, and it set me up with insane civ cred, and I coasted to the win (also lucked out figuring out who the civ vig was and blocking him every even night when he killed, lol, xoxo Epi).

Soooo .... "would a teammate do *X*" can be interesting, but I have been on tons of teams where the first few days were spent setting up distancing.

I could readily extrapolate that TH and Quin were not teammates because of the meat thing. Thread interaction, not so much.

But I am going to read LC's Quinteractions cause you never know, and Nova as per his request now that I am home.

Ebwop, I thought at one point that Lunas vote was forced today, but she said not iirc.

[nijuukyugou]

Everyone looks so town except DH lol

I sorta feel that everyone looks so scummy.

Story of my mafia life, dude.

[nijuukyugou]

@speedchuck @nijuukyugou Do you have reasons for voting Long Con other than Colin doesn't trust him?

Yes.

Do you have reasons beyond "I'm woozy"?

Someone either wants LC to have votes, or wants my vote off someone else. I’d gladly vote for Luna, and I voted that way last Day period, so

[juliets]

@speedchuck @nijuukyugou Do you have reasons for voting Long Con other than Colin doesn't trust him?

Yes.

Do you have reasons beyond "I'm woozy"?

Someone either wants LC to have votes, or wants my vote off someone else. I’d gladly vote for Luna, and I voted that way last Day period, so

Ok gotcha!

[Lunalee]

By "civ", of course, DH meant "not on my villain team"

When you wanna shit post but you accidentally reveal that there are two villain teams

Wait, is TH bad? Because if he did scum slip here, the two team thing would totally explain Quin's death.

[nutella]

By "civ", of course, DH meant "not on my villain team"

When you wanna shit post but you accidentally reveal that there are two villain teams

Wait, is TH bad? Because if he did scum slip here, the two team thing would totally explain Quin's death.

But it said quin was assassinated which sounds like a vig, and it said he was a member of the mafia.

[sig]

So quick recap I thought the mafia killed Mac since he had names on his list. I still believe this is true anand recommend we look closely into DH and juliet, however atm I think we should be lynching Luna. She's been spared from a lynch twice with a non mafia being lynched each time.

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

[Lunalee]

By "civ", of course, DH meant "not on my villain team"

When you wanna shit post but you accidentally reveal that there are two villain teams

Wait, is TH bad? Because if he did scum slip here, the two team thing would totally explain Quin's death.

But it said quin was assassinated which sounds like a vig, and it said he was a member of the mafia.

But that's just flavor text. Either way he was killed.

[S~V~S]

By "civ", of course, DH meant "not on my villain team"

When you wanna shit post but you accidentally reveal that there are two villain teams

Wait, is TH bad? Because if he did scum slip here, the two team thing would totally explain Quin's death.

But it said quin was assassinated which sounds like a vig, and it said he was a member of the mafia.

23 players with two mafias would be hard to balance. My guess would be one mafia with several Indies. Epignosis likes him some Indies. One of which might be a vig. Yeah.

[S~V~S]

And sometimes host posts are not just flavor.

[juliets]

And sometimes host posts are not just flavor.

Right, and you know Epi and his words. He doesn't use language willy-nilly. I think "assassinated" was purposeful.

[Lunalee]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] what did you mean by your cryptic comment?

[nutella]

@Turnip Head what did you mean by your cryptic comment?

Was it cryptic? I'm pretty sure he was implying DH slipped in calling cbob 1.0 a civ.

[sig]

I'd say we only have one mafia team or perhaps two small ones, if so DH could've been Quins only teammate.

[Lunalee]

So quick recap I thought the mafia killed Mac since he had names on his list. I still believe this is true anand recommend we look closely into DH and juliet, however atm I think we should be lynching Luna. She's been spared from a lynch twice with a non mafia being lynched each time.

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

[novaselinenever]

So quick recap I thought the mafia killed Mac since he had names on his list. I still believe this is true anand recommend we look closely into DH and juliet, however atm I think we should be lynching Luna. She's been spared from a lynch twice with a non mafia being lynched each time.

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Why wouldn't you tie for yourself? Do you not want to survive?

[Lunalee]

So quick recap I thought the mafia killed Mac since he had names on his list. I still believe this is true anand recommend we look closely into DH and juliet, however atm I think we should be lynching Luna. She's been spared from a lynch twice with a non mafia being lynched each time.

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Why wouldn't you tie for yourself? Do you not want to survive?

I was leading the poll, now I'm tied with DH. I just very slightly improved my own standing by changing my vote from SVS to DH.

[Lunalee]

@Turnip Head what did you mean by your cryptic comment?

Was it cryptic? I'm pretty sure he was implying DH slipped in calling cbob 1.0 a civ.

except that wouldn't make sense, because C-bob publicly flipped as 3P

[nutella]

@Turnip Head what did you mean by your cryptic comment?

Was it cryptic? I'm pretty sure he was implying DH slipped in calling cbob 1.0 a civ.

except that wouldn't make sense, because C-bob publicly flipped as 3P

Yes exactly. TH is saying DH didn't care as long as he wasn't on his team

[Turnip Head]

@Turnip Head what did you mean by your cryptic comment?

It was what nutella said. DH said two civs were lynched, but one was an indie. For a mafia member, you're only worried about your teammates getting lynched, so it's easier to think of anyone who's not on your team as a civ.

[nutella]

For a civ, a 3p is generally (not always ofc) more like a mafia member than a civ - as in it wouldn't be a mislynch exactly. For a mafia member, lynching a 3p is more like lynching a civ.

[novaselinenever]

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Why wouldn't you tie for yourself? Do you not want to survive?

I was leading the poll, now I'm tied with DH. I just very slightly improved my own standing by changing my vote from SVS to DH.

Oh, I know that. I'm asking you why did you not do it for yourself? Improving your own standing, however little it might be, could be the difference between getting lynched and surviving.

[speedchuck]

hm that's a point TH

[Lunalee]

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Why wouldn't you tie for yourself? Do you not want to survive?

I was leading the poll, now I'm tied with DH. I just very slightly improved my own standing by changing my vote from SVS to DH.

Oh, I know that. I'm asking you why did you not do it for yourself? Improving your own standing, however little it might be, could be the difference between getting lynched and surviving.

I'm confused what you're recommending I do. I am not trying to get lynched.

[nutella]

Luna I think Nova is asking why you didn't move earlier

[novaselinenever]

Or why when you finally moved, it was not to save yourself but as a favor to sig?

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Why wouldn't you tie for yourself? Do you not want to survive?

I was leading the poll, now I'm tied with DH. I just very slightly improved my own standing by changing my vote from SVS to DH.

Oh, I know that. I'm asking you why did you not do it for yourself? Improving your own standing, however little it might be, could be the difference between getting lynched and surviving.

I'm confused what you're recommending I do. I am not trying to get lynched.

Nvm Nova, I see you're just commenting on the language I used in placing my vote. I'm also doing it for myself even if i didn't make it clear.

[juliets]

In Hogwarts DH did this question-and-exclaim-"Wild" thing like he's doing here and he was baddie mcbaddie (the SK). No one that I remember saw through him or at least not soon enough and he won the game. This makes me nervous about him in this game. Also, on the Luna side of the coin she is seeming more civ to me because she is looking for linkages and facts. There was also that post I liked earlier where she seemed so genuine. I'm considering changing my vote but I want to think it through a little more.

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[Lunalee]

In Hogwarts DH did this question-and-exclaim-"Wild" thing like he's doing here and he was baddie mcbaddie (the SK). No one that I remember saw through him or at least not soon enough and he won the game. This makes me nervous about him in this game. Also, on the Luna side of the coin she is seeming more civ to me because she is looking for linkages and facts. There was also that post I liked earlier where she seemed so genuine. I'm considering changing my vote but I want to think it through a little more.

IDK, if you guys are just going to try to lynch me again tomorrow I don't see the point of not going through with it today.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Fire-drill in the trenches?

[nutella]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Fire-drill in the trenches?

You mean a meat slab? :P

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t love head-ass meat slabs/hot potatoes/fire drills but I also don’t love the two wagons

[S~V~S]

I could consider a Jay vote. I feel like he has been agreeing with me too much, that freaks me out a bit, lol.

Somoene I trust is making me want to reread, but I'm gonna be doing it on phone, so I won't say much.

[Lunalee]

I don’t love head-ass meat slabs/hot potatoes/fire drills but I also don’t love the two wagons

yeah, me neither, since I'm one of them. :P Also DH hasn't been around much today, and I feel bad lynching someone who's not around to defend themselves.

[tessepia]

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[S~V~S]

Ipeenoses?

[Lunalee]

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

who is this?

[speedchuck]

Welp, the host wants Luna dead