Finally I think the people saying this is unlikely or impossible haven't played enough games with a mafia DH or remember how skilled he can be. I think it's not only plausible, but likely that they came up with a bussing strategy once it became clear that one of them could be lynched.
Not to mention even when Luna was bussing DH she was still attempting to find another wagon and lead the lynch away from both of them.
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:25 pm
Votes DH after this post from me, but then later says it was weird I didn't vote for him.
sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:46 am
So quick recap I thought the mafia killed Mac since he had names on his list. I still believe this is true anand recommend we look closely into DH and juliet, however atm I think we should be lynching Luna. She's been spared from a lynch twice with a non mafia being lynched each time.
Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?
Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.
Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.
But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?
I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.
I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.
LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.
[VOTE:
DharmaHelper] aubergine
Then she switches off of DH onto Jay, at this point going with my World 1 the mafia team decided to try to save both DH and Luna by redirected onto Jay who in theory should've been an easy target.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:41 pm
I don’t love head-ass meat slabs/hot potatoes/fire drills but I also don’t love the two wagons
yeah, me neither, since I'm one of them. :P Also DH hasn't been around much today, and I feel bad lynching someone who's not around to defend themselves.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:47 pm
the lynch today is quite boring, and I want to switch to Jay in case it takes off.
[VOTE:
JJJ] aubergine
Then she winds up switching back to DH after the Jay wagon doesn't catch so she can get some civ credit for being the counterwagon to mafia and voting for him.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:26 pm
Luna, have you had suspicion of and/or voted TH? Can't remember.
Ok I have to admit these are all pretty good points. This may not be as easy as I was hoping but I am willing to give sig another chance for this and look at luna again.
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:31 pm
I'm just having a hard time seeing the two TH vote forces as coincidental and Luna's reason for doing it - no strategy just picked two names and did it - sounds very fishy to me.
+1
Yeah, I could see it as a coincidence but her explanation was very fishy. If she is town why wouldn't she just make someone vote for whomever her top suspect is??
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:23 pm
I'm having a hard time believing that you used your one shot with no strategy whatsoever in mind. I will consider what you say and I ask others to speak up as to whether this is believable or not.
This is not an accusation. Luna not having a town motive is odd (though, like with silencing, there's hardly ever a good town reason to force votes).
Unless you have a scum motive you'd like to bring up, this doesn't point to scum.
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:31 pm
I'm just having a hard time seeing the two TH vote forces as coincidental and Luna's reason for doing it - no strategy just picked two names and did it - sounds very fishy to me.
+1
This is a fair point, I'll concede. Still looking for a scum motive behind it. Not like they were trying to lynch TH. And if Luna coordinated with scum, linking the wand use to BTSC, then why did she claim to have used it?
huh? I don't understand what the last sentence is referring to
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:01 am
Eloh: she may have been attempting to get civ credit by doubting the then-runaway Luna wagon. Her insistence that someone explain the DH lynch may be consistent with her beliefs but it may be that she was reluctant to sacrifice a powerful teammate. As to why you wouldn’t vote Luna, then, I dunno ...
I never thought Luna was bad. Why would I vote her at that time?
Then.........
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:25 pm
Votes DH after this post from me, but then later says it was weird I didn't vote for him.
Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?
Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.
Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.
But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?
I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.
I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.
LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.
[VOTE:
DharmaHelper] aubergine
Then she switches off of DH onto Jay, at this point going with my World 1 the mafia team decided to try to save both DH and Luna by redirected onto Jay who in theory should've been an easy target.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:41 pm
I don’t love head-ass meat slabs/hot potatoes/fire drills but I also don’t love the two wagons
yeah, me neither, since I'm one of them. :P Also DH hasn't been around much today, and I feel bad lynching someone who's not around to defend themselves.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:47 pm
the lynch today is quite boring, and I want to switch to Jay in case it takes off.
[VOTE:
JJJ] aubergine
Then she winds up switching back to DH after the Jay wagon doesn't catch so she can get some civ credit for being the counterwagon to mafia and voting for him.
This is pretty damning. I think I may have been tricked by Luna all game so far.
and juliets it's definitely not black and white slam dunk evidence she's mafia. it could be a coincidence that they both picked TH, and maybe she just didn't have a great strategy for how to use it even if she was town and maybe decided she suspected TH a bit/enough to make someone vote for him idk
also yeah she probably wanted to make sure she used it early in case she died, especially since she was a popular lynch target and had reason for that concern.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:52 pm
and juliets it's definitely not black and white slam dunk evidence she's mafia. it could be a coincidence that they both picked TH, and maybe she just didn't have a great strategy for how to use it even if she was town and maybe decided she suspected TH a bit/enough to make someone vote for him idk
Ok, i respect your opinion and have been having my doubts about it being slam dunk, especially since she admitted she had it. I'll pull my vote off of her and probably put it on Elo.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 pm
@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?
I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:59 pm
It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.
And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?
This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.
Why are you so convinced she's town?
No mechanical reason. Just a hunch. I've gotten used to reading Luna in mafia games a bit, I think. I'd bet anything that Luna used the wand because she thought she'd be lynched D2 and wanted to use the cool item.
She might have made me target TH because he "Liked!" my surgery post, for lols.
The only thing I could remotely suspect her for in the game so far is that there were coordinated "possessions" with me and Juliets. At the same time, I see no mafia motive or reasonable suspicion beyond "this is so synchronized y'all" in that event.
Given that the Wand was a unique item, someone copying the power or using another item that duplicates the effect wouldn't be out of the picture. Anyway, I'm not voting for Luna over night action screwery that has no concrete scum leaning.
And if Luna were on a mafia team, they'd be screaming "NO, DON'T WASTE THE VOTE FORCING ABILITY ON DAY 2!" Just an afterthought.
Ok I get the underlined - but why are you coming up with that instead of Luna explaining it when I asked?
I have my guesses regarding that, but I think it would be better if you got a straight answer out of Luna instead of my speculation. Even if I have some theory as to why she isn't answering you, my espousing that theory just furthers the problem. [mention]Lunalee[/mention]
lol I got linki'd with a sort-of answer
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:49 pm
speed it seems like you are trying to discredit me and my information instead of trying to consider it as part of the whole picture, calling it "night action screwery". I find that odd.
My emphasis was that I don't want to lynch someone just because their night action happened to coincide with another identical one. I believe you and your info 100%. You used the word "possessed." That's what happened to me, too.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:52 pm
and juliets it's definitely not black and white slam dunk evidence she's mafia. it could be a coincidence that they both picked TH, and maybe she just didn't have a great strategy for how to use it even if she was town and maybe decided she suspected TH a bit/enough to make someone vote for him idk
Ok, i respect your opinion and have been having my doubts about it being slam dunk, especially since she admitted she had it. I'll pull my vote off of her and probably put it on Elo.
I was looking at voting Eloh as well. Nutella was right about the "Yikes" post.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 pm
@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?
I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.
Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.
Thanks speed chuck, I appreciate you asking [mention]Lunalee[/mention] to speak to this subject. And very interesting that the word used with you was also "possessed". I don't know what it means but I will mull it over.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 pm
@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?
I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.
Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.
[mention]Lunalee[/mention] Is it a redirect or a misdirect? As in, do you choose the new target or do you just cause someone to fire at a random target?
Sorry I haven't been around today, I'm going to follow the lead of some of my trusted folks, I'll trust Luna Lee at this time although the vote force thing gives me pause. I'll vote Elohcin to take it on the chin.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm
DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok
also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm
DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok
also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here
I don’t give a shit about suspicion
People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.
Best Townie, Maffies 4, 8 and 9 Best Scum, Maffies 3 Best Moderator, Maffies 8 and 9 Most Valuable Player, Maffies 7 and 9 Best Roleplay, Maffies 4 and 6 Spirit Award, Maffies 9 Hall of Fame inductee, Maffies 4
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Mafia Championship Finalist, 2015 and 2020 Best Town Player, 2020
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm
DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok
also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here
I don’t give a shit about suspicion
People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm
DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok
also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here
I don’t give a shit about suspicion
People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.
President quotes were popular (and also exhausting)
nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:44 pm
Elo-chin, huh? I'll check back on that tomorrow - we just got a Switch and that's tonight's activity. And possibly every night's activity, forever.
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:57 pm
Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:49 am
Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved
It came at the start of this phase when I was the only one voting her. I took it as a result from the previous night, him having solved something just like with niju and LC.
That could be what he meant - I'll see what he says. sprityo
nova is correct, it's something i solved
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:46 pm
You all are terrible at this.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:How does it feel to be the Best Civilian Player on the Syndicate?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm
DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok
also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here
I don’t give a shit about suspicion
People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.
tell me i'm valid oh wise one
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:46 pm
You all are terrible at this.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:How does it feel to be the Best Civilian Player on the Syndicate?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm
DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok
also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here
I don’t give a shit about suspicion
People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.
write all your thoughts in the form of smutty vampire fan-fiction, that way i don't have to do it
real question, for basically everyone: has anyone ever been lynched and not taken it as an opportunity to distance from one or more teammates? i don't think i've ever not done that and i'm not sure if that's the norm
DH spent a good deal of his final day trying to link nutella and lunalee, specifically in accusing nutella of trying to direct attention away from lunalee. he doesn't interact with lunalee directly much but he talks about her a lot. lunalee's side of interactions about/with DH feel more genuine than his about her.
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:57 pm
Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:49 am
Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved
It came at the start of this phase when I was the only one voting her. I took it as a result from the previous night, him having solved something just like with niju and LC.
That could be what he meant - I'll see what he says. sprityo
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm
DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
Enrique has been in the back of my mind bothering me because he hasn't shown up. I keep expecting him to be replaced. I certainly think it's possible that he ghosted his team but I keep seeing other tangible things to vote for. Are you considering a vote for him today?
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:14 pm
Either you’re mafia or you have a very coincidental way of voting
What do you mean, exactly?
I know my vote yesterday is about as bad as it gets, but that's not a mistake I'd make as scum. Doing dumb scummy looking stuff is the town meta for me, and I wish I could say it's manufactured, but I just do stuff like that.
another mystery solved
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