The Game of Champions 2018 [ENDGAME]

[Elohcin]

I'm hangin', niju

[sig]

Can someone fill me in on the info Sprits got? Since it seemed from what I saw that he's just saying he thinks she's not bad not that he's a cop.

[sig]

I'm ready and willing to die with this Luna lynch, like no way is she civ imo. Eloh I don't really see the logic for voting her, but it isn't like I've had her as a civ so it winds up being a meh lynch for me. If she flips civ I do think it confirms that we need to lynch Luna tomorrow.

[sig]

Also nova's transition from voting me, which I believe he did earlier today to jumping on board the wagon I'm pushing is off putting.

[juliets]

Can someone fill me in on the info Sprits got? Since it seemed from what I saw that he's just saying he thinks she's not bad not that he's a cop.

I asked him for clarification but he hasn't answered.

[novaselinenever]

Also nova's transition from voting me, which I believe he did earlier today to jumping on board the wagon I'm pushing is off putting.

Do you read the thread at all?

[S~V~S]

i have to go, i'm voting for [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine for now, i'll check in during or after the spidermn movie and possibly move my vote

You did not actually vote.

[juliets]

Wait, I was wrong, sprit did answer me. Here it is:

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

It came at the start of this phase when I was the only one voting her. I took it as a result from the previous night, him having solved something just like with niju and LC.

That could be what he meant - I'll see what he says. sprityo

nova is correct, it's something i solved

[novaselinenever]

He also backtracked saying that it wasn't a result from any ability or whatnot, but rather his convictions.

[novaselinenever]

am I the only one noticing that Luna's avoiding sharing the target of her redirections. Seems weird since she wasn't shy about claiming her role when she was about to get lynched. Her excuse of the discussion that will result from her sharing is as bogus as they come.

[juliets]

am I the only one noticing that Luna's avoiding sharing the target of her redirections. Seems weird since she wasn't shy about claiming her role when she was about to get lynched. Her excuse of the discussion that will result from her sharing is as bogus as they come.

I have noticed it but I don't know whether to attribute it to avoidance or her just not being around.

[novaselinenever]

am I the only one noticing that Luna's avoiding sharing the target of her redirections. Seems weird since she wasn't shy about claiming her role when she was about to get lynched. Her excuse of the discussion that will result from her sharing is as bogus as they come.

I have noticed it but I don't know whether to attribute it to avoidance or her just not being around.

It happened last night, and she was around to give her excuse but left after I insisted and Bob asked too. She's been around since I believe.

[juliets]

am I the only one noticing that Luna's avoiding sharing the target of her redirections. Seems weird since she wasn't shy about claiming her role when she was about to get lynched. Her excuse of the discussion that will result from her sharing is as bogus as they come.

I have noticed it but I don't know whether to attribute it to avoidance or her just not being around.

It happened last night, and she was around to give her excuse but left after I insisted and Bob asked too. She's been around since I believe.

oh ok, I have not looked at the timing as closely as you have.

[S~V~S]

am I the only one noticing that Luna's avoiding sharing the target of her redirections. Seems weird since she wasn't shy about claiming her role when she was about to get lynched. Her excuse of the discussion that will result from her sharing is as bogus as they come.

She also ignored nutellas question about how her redirection worked.

[sig]

Yeah I really don't like that, usually when you fake claim you attempt to be as vague as possible so others can't call you out on it. Which is what she's doing right now.

[Elohcin]

You are making a big mistake! I had a very cool power I was going to use tonight, but I guess it will go unused. Ta-ta fine folks.

[nutella]

You are making a big mistake! I had a very cool power I was going to use tonight, but I guess it will go unused. Ta-ta fine folks.

We could lunch Kyle instead.

[nutella]

Omnomnom

[Long Con]

You are making a big mistake! I had a very cool power I was going to use tonight, but I guess it will go unused. Ta-ta fine folks.

Ok. I'll vote Luna. She needs to be more transparent. [VOTE: luna] aubergine

[juliets]

if Kyle had voted we would be one vote apart.

[Lunalee]

hey gang who trusts speedchuck

Have you seen something that you think makes him suspect? I had him sorted as civ because his vote was compelled but if Luna isn't bad that goes away. I'll re-read his ISO.

I was thinking externally about the thread and I found myself wondering if a civilian Luna is indicative of speedchuck being a bucket of TMI

I re-read speed and I can see where he started defending Luna early on (Day 1) but I also see he engaged DH with some back and forth early on, too early for bussing I think. His discussion with me last night seemed like he had info about Luna because he was telling me what she "probably" had been thinking, things she had not said in the thread, but that made it seem like they both were bad as opposed to TMI. I can't find other instances in his posts where TMI seems to apply but someone else should look too, I could easily have missed something.

@Lunalee were the reasons speed gave about what you were thinking when you compelled him to vote TH true? He seemed to think there was something you were not voicing in the thread about your thinking during that time. Is that true? Any reason you can think of why speed would think this?

Spoiler: show

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

No mechanical reason. Just a hunch. I've gotten used to reading Luna in mafia games a bit, I think.
I'd bet anything that Luna used the wand because she thought she'd be lynched D2 and wanted to use the cool item.
She might have made me target TH because he "Liked!" my surgery post, for lols.

The only thing I could remotely suspect her for in the game so far is that there were coordinated "possessions" with me and Juliets. At the same time, I see no mafia motive or reasonable suspicion beyond "this is so synchronized y'all" in that event.
Given that the Wand was a unique item, someone copying the power or using another item that duplicates the effect wouldn't be out of the picture. Anyway, I'm not voting for Luna over night action screwery that has no concrete scum leaning.

And if Luna were on a mafia team, they'd be screaming "NO, DON'T WASTE THE VOTE FORCING ABILITY ON DAY 2!" Just an afterthought.

Reposting what speed said above for reference.

I didn't want to hang onto the wand incase I died. I don't like wasting items.
I picked speed to vote TH because it sort of gave him a break from having to read the thread and decide who to vote, and I chose TH because I mildly suspected him. That was the extent of my reasoning

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee I would be interested in the answer to this:

@Lunalee Is it a redirect or a misdirect? As in, do you choose the new target or do you just cause someone to fire at a random target?

I choose a person, and I choose who their night action targets.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

Sorry, I'm not planning to share everything I've done with my role. It might help town, but it might also be useful info for scum. Would you share everything you've in this game openly with the thread?

[novaselinenever]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

Sorry, I'm not planning to share everything I've done with my role. It might help town, but it might also be useful info for scum. Would you share everything you've in this game openly with the thread?

How does it help scum exactly? This just sound like an excuse, and it's not the one you were using last night. Switching up the excuses?

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

Sorry, I'm not planning to share everything I've done with my role. It might help town, but it might also be useful info for scum. Would you share everything you've in this game openly with the thread?

How does it help scum exactly? This just sound like an excuse, and it's not the one you were using last night. Switching up the excuses?

I don't know, say I reveal that I redirected from a certain person to another certain person. Scum or serial killer or whoever can then assume I won't redirect the same way again, and can target a defenseless person without any chance of screwery.

[S~V~S]

But you role claimed and that's different. I wouldn't tell who I targeted if I had a targeting power, but I didn't role claim.

Telling your targets is one possible way to prove whether your claim is truthful or not.

[nutella]

God this is fire emblem all over again

[novaselinenever]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

Sorry, I'm not planning to share everything I've done with my role. It might help town, but it might also be useful info for scum. Would you share everything you've in this game openly with the thread?

How does it help scum exactly? This just sound like an excuse, and it's not the one you were using last night. Switching up the excuses?

I don't know, say I reveal that I redirected from a certain person to another certain person. Scum or serial killer or whoever can then assume I won't redirect the same way again, and can target a defenseless person without any chance of screwery.

This is a bunch of nonsense. How does that change anything? You're not a Doctor. You redirect the person affecting the action as such the only screwery that may happen is you redirect scum themselves. Them knowing that you redirected certain ways doesn't affect their action.

[nutella]

So full disclosure, part of why I asked that clarifying question is that my (scum) ability in FE was a redirect, and the civilian version of that role was merely a random misdirect. However, if Epi was including that role from that game here I think it's reasonably likely he'd make it a traditional redirect regardless of alignment, so I don't know that this makes me think it's significantly more likely Luna is bad since it would be kinda silly not to give her role that ability regardless. That being said, after how FE went down it is hard to say whether she or Nova is right about whether revealing her targets is more helpful to town or scum at this point.

[novaselinenever]

There is absolutely nothing helpful to scum about her targets. Or I just can't see it, lol. It's pretty obvious we don't have a vig (unless it's a really conservative one), so what can they gain from knowing who she redirected?

Her thought that they'll deduce a pattern from her choice of targets that'll benefit them doesn't make sense. So what if they know she redirected X to Y on N2? It's not like she's a protective role (Doctor or bus-driver) where she might not protect the same person twice, thus scum knowing who she already targeted give them an advantage.

[nutella]

There is absolutely nothing helpful to scum about her targets. Or I just can't see it, lol. It's pretty obvious we don't have a vig (unless it's a really conservative one), so what can they gain from knowing who she redirected?

Her thought that they'll deduce a pattern from her choice of targets that'll benefit them doesn't make sense. So what if they know she redirected X to Y on N2? It's not like she's a protective role (Doctor or bus-driver) where she might not protect the same person twice, thus scum knowing who she already targeted give them an advantage.

Huh? What do you think "assassinated" Quin then?


And it seems pretty likely that anti-double-target rules would apply to her as well, but maybe not. Also, you just can never be too careful with letting the scum learn info in general because you don't know how much other stuff they already know, and that extra info might help them deduce something in particular.

[nutella]

4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row) or self-targeting unless otherwise given permission.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]

[novaselinenever]

4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row) or self-targeting unless otherwise given permission.

@novaselinenever

Not in a row. Like she redirected me N1, then on N3+. That's her defense. That if they find out who she targeted, it'll make it easier for them.

[colonialbob]

You are making a big mistake! I had a very cool power I was going to use tonight, but I guess it will go unused. Ta-ta fine folks.

Mainstream Media won't report real facts - prefer to attack innocent townie instead! Sad!

- Eloh's Twitter, probably

[novaselinenever]

There is absolutely nothing helpful to scum about her targets. Or I just can't see it, lol. It's pretty obvious we don't have a vig (unless it's a really conservative one), so what can they gain from knowing who she redirected?

Her thought that they'll deduce a pattern from her choice of targets that'll benefit them doesn't make sense. So what if they know she redirected X to Y on N2? It's not like she's a protective role (Doctor or bus-driver) where she might not protect the same person twice, thus scum knowing who she already targeted give them an advantage.

Huh? What do you think "assassinated" Quin then?


And it seems pretty likely that anti-double-target rules would apply to her as well, but maybe not. Also, you just can never be too careful with letting the scum learn info in general because you don't know how much other stuff they already know, and that extra info might help them deduce something in particular.

Not sure about that, but there wasn't a kill from Mafia that same night as well which is throwing me off. A dead scum though, so I'll take it.

This is just a bunch of fear mongering. What info exactly?

[novaselinenever]

Also that's not even her reservation, lol. Her reservation is scum knowing who she targeted would lead to them assuming she wouldn't target the same people again granting them advantage. Like what?

[colonialbob]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

Sorry, I'm not planning to share everything I've done with my role. It might help town, but it might also be useful info for scum. Would you share everything you've in this game openly with the thread?

You've already open claimed, sharing your target list is much more beneficial to town than scum because town has info roles that need to know if they can trust their info. Scum (usually) doesn't - they don't really care if they blocked the wrong person two nights ago.

[novaselinenever]

Bingo

[novaselinenever]

Lynch Luna y'all

[S~V~S]

Lets face it I'm a tunneller. I have to agree, and I still think she's bad.

[S~V~S]

Although I think Eloh might well be bad too. This is hard.

[nutella]

...Fuck it sure

[Epignosis]

High lock.

[Epignosis]

Who faded Turnip Head?

Poll ended at Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:46 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

ColinisCool
1
6%


Voters: sprityo

colonialbob
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elochin
5
28%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, speedchuck, nijuukyugou, Lunalee, juliets

Enrique
0
No votes


Voters: None

JaggedJimmyJay
1
6%


Voters: colonialbob

juliets
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kylemii
0
No votes


Voters: None

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

Lunalee
7
39%


Voters: Long Con, novaselinenever, nutella, sig, ColinIsCool, Elohcin, S~V~S

nijuukyugou
0
No votes


Voters: None

novaselinever
0
No votes


Voters: None

nutella
0
No votes


Voters: None

S~V~S
0
No votes


Voters: None

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

speedchuck
0
No votes


Voters: None

sprityo
0
No votes


Voters: None

James Harden (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
4
22%


Voters: Epignosis, Turnip Head, MacDougall, Quin


Total votes: 18

[Epignosis]

Day 4: In Hell I’ll Be in Good Company

Back at the remnants of the diner (y’all bitches done forgot about that, didn’t you?), there was something of a shootout between Elohcin and Lunalee, two gals who had slung hash and were now about to sling each other by the weave.

“I’ll see you in hell,” Elochin said, sticking up her chin, because her chin was her defining feature.

“I’ll be in good company,” Lunalee said, sticking up hers, but I won’t comment on another fella’s woman’s chin like that. You all will just have to imagine what her chin looked like.

When the dust settled, only one chin still had blood pumping in it.

The other chin looked snarled and devilish and insertnamehereish.

Lunalee has been lynched.

Spoiler: show

She was BOB, a member of the Mafia.


BOB
Each Night, you will possess someone. That individual must target as you wish that Night and vote as you wish the next Day.

It is now Night 4. You have until 9pm EST to submit your PMs.

[juliets]

Damn she was the possessor! Good job nutella and S~V~S changing at the end. I'm sorry I wasn't here.

[speedchuck]

Okay town is on point and I suck. Good job guys.

[novaselinenever]

[novaselinenever]

You guys are welcome

[speedchuck]

Niju is the worst looking vote on the Eloh wagon (I say without catching up). The two off votes are weird. cbob, sprit, what gives?