The Game of Champions 2018 [ENDGAME]

[ColinIsCool]

sig is bad.

Could be on to something. Let's get some reactions.

Makes no sense, I was one of the first people to back up Mac's theory and advocated for lynching dh all phase. The only non civ thing I've done would be my push for sloonie, but I believed that was best.

Tomorrow we should lynch Luna I still believe she's not civ I think the mafia was stuck between a. rock and a hard place with the lynch today and attempted to distance the two while low key attempting to switch the lynch.


I think we have 3 more mafia members among them nutella, Luna, and one other who's probably been lying low.

Both nutella and Luna attempted to redirect the wagon onto Jay and after a quick skim I think the argument between DH and nutella seemed fake.

IF sig is bad, he wastes no time jumping on Luna.

[ColinIsCool]

Does scum speed defend a teammate vociferously?

@sig

Each lynched mafia says "A member of THE mafia." There is a possibility for two scumteams, but that phrase makes it sound unlikely. I've seen more Epi games with lots of indies and one scumteam than anything else.

Luna seems anti-aligned with Quin. Luna seems anti-aligned with DH. Luna was the alternate to a mafia lynch two or three times already. Luna, like you, is/has been a common mislynch target.

And on top of all that, I have no idea just WHY you're scumreading her. I've seen nothing out of the ordinary that would point to Luna being scum. She's been opportunistic, hasty, hasn't always made sense in voicing some of her suspicions... That's all normal.

It's not that we're dropping her for no reason. We have several reasons to drop her, and basically none to keep on her.

[Elohcin]

I think Luna is town personally. She's being really opportunistic right now, and not jive-ing with peoples' logic, and that's... pretty normal IMO. Scum Luna is usually more reserved and careful.

But I've established my track record as being bad at reading Luna.

Hedging intensifies

I don't know what "hedging intensifies" means, but this disclaimer at the end of chuck's post is a baddie tell imo.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m stopping at page 33 to do some work and also because I’m at the point where everything is deepwolf tinfoil. The bad thing about having so many scum caught on competing wagons is that you can’t figure out a damn thing.

[Elohcin]

Does scum speed defend a teammate vociferously?

@sig

Each lynched mafia says "A member of THE mafia." There is a possibility for two scumteams, but that phrase makes it sound unlikely. I've seen more Epi games with lots of indies and one scumteam than anything else.

Luna seems anti-aligned with Quin. Luna seems anti-aligned with DH. Luna was the alternate to a mafia lynch two or three times already. Luna, like you, is/has been a common mislynch target.

And on top of all that, I have no idea just WHY you're scumreading her. I've seen nothing out of the ordinary that would point to Luna being scum. She's been opportunistic, hasty, hasn't always made sense in voicing some of her suspicions... That's all normal.

It's not that we're dropping her for no reason. We have several reasons to drop her, and basically none to keep on her.

Speed and Luna are married IRL. Have they ever been scum together before? If so, THAT is where we need to look. It is different when your own spouse is on your team.

[speedchuck]

AMA

Literally. I promise an answer.

What should I have for dinner tomorrow?

Mashed potatoes cooked with lots of buttermilk in them, topped with bacon, cheddar, green onions, and a dash of salt and pepper. Broccoli and some kind of beans on the side.

[colonialbob]

I formatted my question up there crappily. @speedchuck , you said you would answer any questions.

My question is who do you think we should lynch instead of you, and why? No self defense reasons please, why do you think this other person is bad?

Same question @Kylemii and @sprityo , and if any of you already answered, can you direct me to it as I did not come in here most of the day yesterday.

Thanks.

I think sprityo is our best option. I explained more earlier but in summation i don't like the way he handled the lunalee thing. I don't like that he implied having information before backtracking and saying he didn't have information and saying it was actually intuition (okay this much is fine, I can see why one might do that) but then when lunalee flipped bad he claimed that he did ha e information but he read it wrong. idk why sprityo makes that post Luna death correction except to save face.

Where did he say it was just intuition

[speedchuck]

OMG. Never, ever, ever, ever will I believe Jay again using personal reasons for not posting up to his usual level in a game. That was an inspired shot from whoever did it. I don't know if it's a civ vig or an SK, I don't feel like I have enough info to tell. I'm going to assume for now there is one more mafia.

He's done it in like 2-3 other games as town. Don't kick Jay off the site because he was scum in this game.

[colonialbob]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] what do you do

[colonialbob]

OMG. Never, ever, ever, ever will I believe Jay again using personal reasons for not posting up to his usual level in a game. That was an inspired shot from whoever did it. I don't know if it's a civ vig or an SK, I don't feel like I have enough info to tell. I'm going to assume for now there is one more mafia.

He's done it in like 2-3 other games as town. Don't kick Jay off the site because he was scum in this game.

Yeah Jay's post quantity didn't make me think he was bad, his lack of hunt did.

[S~V~S]

I know we can’t lynch her today, but keeping in mind how hard DH went after Luna ...

Anybody else think its cool and good that something always seems to pull nutella off of the very serious and totally legitimate suspicion she has of Luna? Kinda funny when you think about it. I mean, wow. Wild.

... is this a good look for nutella?

Yes, yes it is. It reads like it's DH posting what they are saying in the chat room to make people forget him and lynch Nutella next if he managed to get people to get off him and onto Luna. She was the vote that lynched Luna. If worse came to worst and DH WAS lynched, they could then use that to make Luna look civvier. Which is exactly what happened. Had Nutella not clinched it with that votye, Luna wasn't lynched. I don't see that as teammate behavior.

He is obfuscating and manipulating, the thing at which DH excels.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck what do you do

I do what am that is

[speedchuck]

AMA

Literally. I promise an answer.

do you like pistachio flavored ice cream

I have never tasted it.

when are you going to try pistachio flavored ice cream?

Whenever I am offered some.

[speedchuck]

I formatted my question up there crappily. @speedchuck , you said you would answer any questions.

My question is who do you think we should lynch instead of you, and why? No self defense reasons please, why do you think this other person is bad?

Same question @Kylemii and @sprityo , and if any of you already answered, can you direct me to it as I did not come in here most of the day yesterday.

Thanks.

I don't think Kylemii is bad. At least, not scum. He could be the 3P assassin, if that's what we have. He replaced in right before the first assassin kill.

Sprityo I've already made points against. His vague reading-thing of Luna is bad in several ways.

TBH Sprityo's "I totally have non-cop info on Luna" feels more like an oh-crap-we-just-lost-half-our-scum-team gambit than a real thing that he misread somehow.

A quote from earlier.
I like Sprityo's tone though, somewhat amplified by his going after JJJ yesterday. He was the ONLY one going after JJJ.
But man, the Luna lynch looks bad on him if you time his posts with the momentum of the thread.

[ColinIsCool]

Not a bad point SVS.

[speedchuck]

Does scum speed defend a teammate vociferously?

sig

Each lynched mafia says "A member of THE mafia." There is a possibility for two scumteams, but that phrase makes it sound unlikely. I've seen more Epi games with lots of indies and one scumteam than anything else.

Luna seems anti-aligned with Quin. Luna seems anti-aligned with DH. Luna was the alternate to a mafia lynch two or three times already. Luna, like you, is/has been a common mislynch target.

And on top of all that, I have no idea just WHY you're scumreading her. I've seen nothing out of the ordinary that would point to Luna being scum. She's been opportunistic, hasty, hasn't always made sense in voicing some of her suspicions... That's all normal.

It's not that we're dropping her for no reason. We have several reasons to drop her, and basically none to keep on her.

Speed and Luna are married IRL. Have they ever been scum together before? If so, THAT is where we need to look. It is different when your own spouse is on your team.

The answer to both Colin's and Eloh's question are no. I have never defended a teammate vociferously. I have also never been scum with Luna.

[Long Con]

Hey, speed, here's that vote back that you gave me earlier.

[juliets]

Well that explains the werewolf thing. Fuckin called it. Shang Tsung was a great role.

Would a scum nutella tip her hand by talking about a role she knows is in the game before it flips?

But she posted this AFTER the flip. Am I misunderstanding you?

She talked about Shang Tsung when Long Con first dumped his wound

Hey Colin, I have looked and can't find a post where nutella talked about Shang Tsung when Long Con first dumped his wound. Maybe I'm just blind. Can you point it out to me? Thanks.

[sprityo]

I formatted my question up there crappily. @speedchuck , you said you would answer any questions.

My question is who do you think we should lynch instead of you, and why? No self defense reasons please, why do you think this other person is bad?

Same question @Kylemii and @sprityo , and if any of you already answered, can you direct me to it as I did not come in here most of the day yesterday.

Thanks.

I think sprityo is our best option. I explained more earlier but in summation i don't like the way he handled the lunalee thing. I don't like that he implied having information before backtracking and saying he didn't have information and saying it was actually intuition (okay this much is fine, I can see why one might do that) but then when lunalee flipped bad he claimed that he did ha e information but he read it wrong. idk why sprityo makes that post Luna death correction except to save face.

I didn’t backtrack

I never said it was my intuition

I do have information, but it’s not a clear cut thing like “X is town”

[juliets]

I formatted my question up there crappily. @speedchuck , you said you would answer any questions.

My question is who do you think we should lynch instead of you, and why? No self defense reasons please, why do you think this other person is bad?

Same question @Kylemii and @sprityo , and if any of you already answered, can you direct me to it as I did not come in here most of the day yesterday.

Thanks.

I think sprityo is our best option. I explained more earlier but in summation i don't like the way he handled the lunalee thing. I don't like that he implied having information before backtracking and saying he didn't have information and saying it was actually intuition (okay this much is fine, I can see why one might do that) but then when lunalee flipped bad he claimed that he did ha e information but he read it wrong. idk why sprityo makes that post Luna death correction except to save face.

I didn’t backtrack

I never said it was my intuition

I do have information, but it’s not a clear cut thing like “X is town”

Yet you told me "yes" when I asked if you were 100% sure she was town.

[speedchuck]

Hey, speed, here's that vote back that you gave me earlier.

kthx man I was missing that

[sprityo]

I formatted my question up there crappily. @speedchuck , you said you would answer any questions.

My question is who do you think we should lynch instead of you, and why? No self defense reasons please, why do you think this other person is bad?

Same question @Kylemii and @sprityo , and if any of you already answered, can you direct me to it as I did not come in here most of the day yesterday.

Thanks.

I don't think Kylemii is bad. At least, not scum. He could be the 3P assassin, if that's what we have. He replaced in right before the first assassin kill.

Sprityo I've already made points against. His vague reading-thing of Luna is bad in several ways.

TBH Sprityo's "I totally have non-cop info on Luna" feels more like an oh-crap-we-just-lost-half-our-scum-team gambit than a real thing that he misread somehow.

A quote from earlier.
I like Sprityo's tone though, somewhat amplified by his going after JJJ yesterday. He was the ONLY one going after JJJ.
But man, the Luna lynch looks bad on him if you time his posts with the momentum of the thread.

In my mind at the time, I believed Luna was tie and had no need to vote her. If anything I would’ve voted to lynch Eloh to save Luna but I instead went after my suspect, Colin

Linki: that’s me putting my trust into my own thought process, not the game, sorry about being wrong

[sprityo]

Ebwop: town not tie*

[ColinIsCool]

Juliets, this is what I was referring to. I don’t think I’m wrong but maybe?

In MK which Epi hosted my role was to steal the role of our first victim who was sloonei and his role fake flipped. Maybe epi is using that? But thats not how the fake flip worked though iirc, wouldn't really make sense this way. Idk.

[speedchuck]

Would you explain your thought process regarding Luna, [mention]sprityo[/mention]?

I made my case, stated my reasons, answered every suspicion about Luna. I accepted the possibility that she might be scum, but believed her to be town.
You were just like "Yo Luna is 100% town."

Show your work, bro.

[juliets]

Juliets, this is what I was referring to. I don’t think I’m wrong but maybe?

In MK which Epi hosted my role was to steal the role of our first victim who was sloonei and his role fake flipped. Maybe epi is using that? But thats not how the fake flip worked though iirc, wouldn't really make sense this way. Idk.

Oh I see. Yes I looked ups MK and she does seem to be referring to Shang Tsung in that quote, but I see other things about her play in this game that convince me she is town. Her clinch vote for Luna, her flipping floppiness, the S~V~S vouch just to name three off the top of my head.

[Elohcin]

Would you explain your thought process regarding Luna, @sprityo?

I made my case, stated my reasons, answered every suspicion about Luna. I accepted the possibility that she might be scum, but believed her to be town.
You were just like "Yo Luna is 100% town."

Show your work, bro.

I agree. I think this is the time to show us HOW you came to that conclusion. You said you figured our the game or something of the sort. I think now is the time we need answers to how.

[nutella]

Okay, I find myself agreeing with others' townread of Kyle, and I am actually reading sprit as genuine and believe his claim of getting vague information and using his own instincts/thought process to draw conclusions. It doesn't sound made up to me. And speed has given me some bad feelings with his tone today so [VOTE: speed] aubergine. I'm wary they may just all be town though. And if so maybe the mafia are gone and we just have one or more 3ps left to find, and I'd have no idea how to proceed.

[Long Con]

Speed looks the worst, Kyle townslipped so he's out, and sprityo needs to completely roleclaim or I'll switch to him. It's time. No more coyness.

[speedchuck]

Okay, I find myself agreeing with others' townread of Kyle, and I am actually reading sprit as genuine and believe his claim of getting vague information and using his own instincts/thought process to draw conclusions. It doesn't sound made up to me. And speed has given me some bad feelings with his tone today so [VOTE: speed] aubergine. I'm wary they may just all be town though. And if so maybe the mafia are gone and we just have one or more 3ps left to find, and I'd have no idea how to proceed.

I'm wary of that too. Sprit is still an iffy read for me, but only because of the Lunaread and the timing of it. If that gets cleared up, my only defense will be "I know I'm town."

On the bright side, I'm practically a vanilla role RN.

[speedchuck]

If we decide this lynch in the next 10 hours, I can spend the rest of the day hunting people that are not on the poll. See if we can solve the game instead of playing into this lynch tunnel.

I don't think that narrowing the poll down to these three players was a town move.

[DharmaHelper]

rez pls

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: KYLE] aubergine

Giving serious consideration to the idea that there are no more mafia members per DH’s numbers, I don’t think speed and sprit look particularly hostile indie. Something about Kyle, though — his under-the-radarness — makes me think he’s the best shot.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: KYLE] aubergine

Giving serious consideration to the idea that there are no more mafia members per DH’s numbers, I don’t think speed and sprit look particularly hostile indie. Something about Kyle, though — his under-the-radarness — makes me think he’s the best shot.

Well, at this point in the game, with the very impressive results we've been having, we can afford to entertain a few non-standard theories.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: KYLE] aubergine

Giving serious consideration to the idea that there are no more mafia members per DH’s numbers, I don’t think speed and sprit look particularly hostile indie. Something about Kyle, though — his under-the-radarness — makes me think he’s the best shot.

This is a fair observation. Kyle did replace in just before the first even night, too.

[speedchuck]

I do think 5 mafia is reasonable for a 22-person game.

My rule of thumb is 25-33% non-town, trending higher if you have third parties. In this game, that's 6-8. Knowing Epi's love of third parties, and the flips we've been having, I'd say there are 2ish non-town left in the game. Maybe 3, at a stretch, though that would make 9 total.

Just a guess, though.

[ColinIsCool]

Unsurprisingly my vote is definitely not final. In particular more discussion about the numbers (and whether or not you think DH slipped his team size) would be good.

[Long Con]

I do think 5 mafia is reasonable for a 22-person game.

My rule of thumb is 25-33% non-town, trending higher if you have third parties. In this game, that's 6-8. Knowing Epi's love of third parties, and the flips we've been having, I'd say there are 2ish non-town left in the game. Maybe 3, at a stretch, though that would make 9 total.

Just a guess, though.

Are YOU an Indy role?

[speedchuck]

I do think 5 mafia is reasonable for a 22-person game.

My rule of thumb is 25-33% non-town, trending higher if you have third parties. In this game, that's 6-8. Knowing Epi's love of third parties, and the flips we've been having, I'd say there are 2ish non-town left in the game. Maybe 3, at a stretch, though that would make 9 total.

Just a guess, though.

Are YOU an Indy role?

I am town. If I were an indie role, I might have claimed by now.

I might claim anyway.

[speedchuck]

Unsurprisingly my vote is definitely not final. In particular more discussion about the numbers (and whether or not you think DH slipped his team size) would be good.

DH is definitely slippery enough to fool us on team size. I'm not taking that into account. Could be 4 mafia, could be a misdirection.

[sprityo]

Would you explain your thought process regarding Luna, sprityo?

I made my case, stated my reasons, answered every suspicion about Luna. I accepted the possibility that she might be scum, but believed her to be town.
You were just like "Yo Luna is 100% town."

Show your work, bro.

I’ll have to turn this assignment in last minute, sorry

[sprityo]

Speed looks the worst, Kyle townslipped so he's out, and sprityo needs to completely roleclaim or I'll switch to him. It's time. No more coyness.

That’s one vote for roleclaim

Any more?

I’ll tell you guys once I’m off work or get the free time to make a larger post about it

[ColinIsCool]

I’d like a claim too.

[speedchuck]

I'm taking Sprit to Claims Court. Who wants to attend the hearing?

[Elohcin]

Speed looks the worst, Kyle townslipped so he's out, and sprityo needs to completely roleclaim or I'll switch to him. It's time. No more coyness.

That’s one vote for roleclaim

Any more?

I’ll tell you guys once I’m off work or get the free time to make a larger post about it

Sounds like an "I need some time to think of something to claim so you can stop thinking I am mafia."

[Kylemii]

I formatted my question up there crappily. @speedchuck , you said you would answer any questions.

My question is who do you think we should lynch instead of you, and why? No self defense reasons please, why do you think this other person is bad?

Same question @Kylemii and @sprityo , and if any of you already answered, can you direct me to it as I did not come in here most of the day yesterday.

Thanks.

I think sprityo is our best option. I explained more earlier but in summation i don't like the way he handled the lunalee thing. I don't like that he implied having information before backtracking and saying he didn't have information and saying it was actually intuition (okay this much is fine, I can see why one might do that) but then when lunalee flipped bad he claimed that he did ha e information but he read it wrong. idk why sprityo makes that post Luna death correction except to save face.

Where did he say it was just intuition

It's In his posts. I can link you later if you want when I get off work. Juliets(or someone?) asked if he had info on luna and he said his vouching was a result of'figuring the game out' not a direct quote but it was something like that

[speedchuck]

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

Spoiler: show

She was BOB, a member of the Mafia.

huh

would you look at that


i guess i misread my info

He also backtracked saying that it wasn't a result from any ability or whatnot, but rather his convictions.

this is false, it's related to my ability

This says otherwise.

Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

It doesn’t? These two statements don’t contradict each other

huh

would you look at that


i guess i misread my info

How is that possible?

Like I said I’m not a cop.

It’s kinda like the Mirror of Vague Truths

Except it’s not an alignment thing

I mean lynching me double confirms long con and nijuu as not mafia

so I’m not entirely against it.

In the same way you confirmed Luna to be not-mafia orrrrr

Nono, Luna was actually me misreading

Long con and nijuu were specifically mafia targets

For referencing pleasure

[Kylemii]

Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

this is the post I was referring to^

however im pretty sure I've been misinterpreting it because now that I look back again sprityo clarifies that he does have information, he just doesn't have cop level information. I took the second sentence to be a denial of information, but later posts that happened before Luna's death also refer to information.

so it's not actually an inconsistency, I'm just dumb and bad at reading

[speedchuck]

Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

this is the post I was referring to^

however im pretty sure I've been misinterpreting it because now that I look back again sprityo clarifies that he does have information, he just doesn't have cop level information. I took the second sentence to be a denial of information, but later posts that happened before Luna's death also refer to information.

so it's not actually an inconsistency, I'm just dumb and bad at reading

Did you kill JJJ and Quinsly?

[novaselinenever]

Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

this is the post I was referring to^

however im pretty sure I've been misinterpreting it because now that I look back again sprityo clarifies that he does have information, he just doesn't have cop level information. I took the second sentence to be a denial of information, but later posts that happened before Luna's death also refer to information.

so it's not actually an inconsistency, I'm just dumb and bad at reading

The later posts happened after her flip. I took that second sentence the same way you did (still do), and had an interaction with him about it.