It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia [END]

[MacDougall]

The only question is is it Nova/Sloonei, Nova/Colin or Nova/Luna imo.

[Mongoose]

Lynch all liars?

Epignosis claims he lies all the time as a civilian, but he is weird. I generally assume that if someone is caught in a lie, they are bad. The question I'm asking myself now is whether you legitimately expected me to forget a suspicion I had less than 72 hours ago.

I don't expect you to forget it. However, I'd expect you to omit it when sharing reads especially when it's something as weak as being pinged by "Hi, I'm nova and I'm tired of losing". The contrast is too big.

Man, that was a weird ping. Whether you have lost or not seems super based in fact (and not alignment indicative).

[thellama73]

Lynch all liars?

Epignosis claims he lies all the time as a civilian, but he is weird. I generally assume that if someone is caught in a lie, they are bad. The question I'm asking myself now is whether you legitimately expected me to forget a suspicion I had less than 72 hours ago.

I don't expect you to forget it. However, I'd expect you to omit it when sharing reads especially when it's something as weak as being pinged by "Hi, I'm nova and I'm tired of losing". The contrast is too big.

Perhaps lol. I disagree though, the original ping itself (yours) is pretty weak. It's about my first comment in thread "tired to lose" that one has to milk heavily in order to extrapolate a scum read from. I feel that'd be pretty natural for someone to forget about it with how many other posts and content I have that can be analyzed for reads. Repeating it several times (especially when it's contrasted by a "I feel better about him now/recently") strikes me as being extremely self-aware to and attempt to keep consistency that isn't natural.

[Mongoose]

Ruh-roh, Shaggy

[MacDougall]

Remember that time that Nova was the only person convinced that Mac was bad since the start of the game to the point where he put me in the darkest red a rainbow ever has seen and then when asked about it said "gee golly I just think he's bad y'all lol" with the most insincere tone ever known to man and hasn't even tried to get me lynched once in the game yet.

I mean by golly gee you'd think someone who is certain Mac is bad and is a civ would, you know, try to get Mac lynched by jingo by golly.

[MacDougall]

[novaselinenever]

Lynch all liars?

Epignosis claims he lies all the time as a civilian, but he is weird. I generally assume that if someone is caught in a lie, they are bad. The question I'm asking myself now is whether you legitimately expected me to forget a suspicion I had less than 72 hours ago.

I don't expect you to forget it. However, I'd expect you to omit it when sharing reads especially when it's something as weak as being pinged by "Hi, I'm nova and I'm tired of losing". The contrast is too big.

Perhaps lol. I disagree though, the original ping itself (yours) is pretty weak. It's about my first comment in thread "tired to lose" that one has to milk heavily in order to extrapolate a scum read from. I feel that'd be pretty natural for someone to forget about it with how many other posts and content I have that can be analyzed for reads. Repeating it several times (especially when it's contrasted by a "I feel better about him now/recently") strikes me as being extremely self-aware to and attempt to keep consistency that isn't natural.

I'm pretty sure you understand what I mean.

[Sloonei]

The only question is is it Nova/Sloonei, Nova/Colin or Nova/Luna imo.

I dunno, let’s figure it out

[novaselinenever]

Remember that time that Nova was the only person convinced that Mac was bad since the start of the game to the point where he put me in the darkest red a rainbow ever has seen and then when asked about it said "gee golly I just think he's bad y'all lol" with the most insincere tone ever known to man and hasn't even tried to get me lynched once in the game yet.

I mean by golly gee you'd think someone who is certain Mac is bad and is a civ would, you know, try to get Mac lynched by jingo by golly.

Is it that time of the day again? Got anything else to say Mac?

[novaselinenever]

Also I tried Mac

[MacDougall]

Juliets
Sloonei
Llama
Mongoose
Luna
Colin


Mac

nova are you saying Mac is at the bottom of your list by far or is he in black (I can't see the color real well) because you are saying you can't read him?

By far (it's a very darkish red). Because I know in my bones that he's bad lol.

We're in a very weird place tbh. I'm feeling a lot, and very little at the same time. It's annoying.

[Mongoose]

The only question is is it Nova/Sloonei, Nova/Colin or Nova/Luna imo.

I dunno, let’s figure it out

Speaking of Colin, does anyone want to add to or contradict my Colin rundown?

[thellama73]

Mac, I asked for a summary of your Nova case a while back. Care to provide one?

[MacDougall]

Remember that time that Nova was the only person convinced that Mac was bad since the start of the game to the point where he put me in the darkest red a rainbow ever has seen and then when asked about it said "gee golly I just think he's bad y'all lol" with the most insincere tone ever known to man and hasn't even tried to get me lynched once in the game yet.

I mean by golly gee you'd think someone who is certain Mac is bad and is a civ would, you know, try to get Mac lynched by jingo by golly.

Is it that time of the day again? Got anything else to say Mac?

Nah see the thing about solving the game is that once you've done it looking elsewhere serves no purpose

[novaselinenever]

The only question is is it Nova/Sloonei, Nova/Colin or Nova/Luna imo.

Tic toc...

[novaselinenever]

Remember that time that Nova was the only person convinced that Mac was bad since the start of the game to the point where he put me in the darkest red a rainbow ever has seen and then when asked about it said "gee golly I just think he's bad y'all lol" with the most insincere tone ever known to man and hasn't even tried to get me lynched once in the game yet.

I mean by golly gee you'd think someone who is certain Mac is bad and is a civ would, you know, try to get Mac lynched by jingo by golly.

Is it that time of the day again? Got anything else to say Mac?

Nah see the thing about solving the game is that once you've done it looking elsewhere serves no purpose

Oh so you already solved it? Who's my buddy?

[MacDougall]

Mac, I asked for a summary of your Nova case a while back. Care to provide one?

Given I've already done so on more than one occasion for me to reiterate it will require you to say please

[MacDougall]

Remember that time that Nova was the only person convinced that Mac was bad since the start of the game to the point where he put me in the darkest red a rainbow ever has seen and then when asked about it said "gee golly I just think he's bad y'all lol" with the most insincere tone ever known to man and hasn't even tried to get me lynched once in the game yet.

I mean by golly gee you'd think someone who is certain Mac is bad and is a civ would, you know, try to get Mac lynched by jingo by golly.

Is it that time of the day again? Got anything else to say Mac?

Nah see the thing about solving the game is that once you've done it looking elsewhere serves no purpose

Oh so you already solved it? Who's my buddy?

By jingo by jillikers by golly

[MacDougall]

Allow me to summarise Nova's game:

Ahem

[MacDougall]

Do you blame me after the raucous first day I had in Gossip Girl? That was brutalizing.

You got a read on dunya or nova?

What about yours?

I assume that if I give any reads you’ll all just tell me that I look like some sort of bird, or that I have nothing to contribute, and that I should just give up trying.

yeah, yeah, yeah we probably will. but go ahead anyway so we can say that.

Nova is town. Dunya is not.

This is the part where Sloonei got his read ass backwards and Mafia Nova was super happy about it so posted this gif.

[novaselinenever]

Allow me to summarise Nova's game:

Ahem

[MacDougall]

Now I'm tunneling but I don't care. I'm right and if you can't see it then poo on you.

Also if anyone is his scum buddy it's probably Colin.

[thellama73]

Since Mac is being ornery, I'll post Mac's case on Nova.

Let's lynch Nova and Colin then. I hate them both as humans so this at the very least makes the experience of playing Mafia more enjoyable.

I've decided I think nova is Mafia. His persistent wavering scum read isn't coming with any actual attempt to convince anyone else. He is lacking civ tinfoil, or doubt. It's a sham read and premeditated before the game began as a means for dealing with me.

Every time I envision Nova posting I imagine him sitting there sipping on a drink with a smirk on his face. Everything has a snarky tone to it. His tone reeks of mischief and mayhem. He's like the guy you catch staring at you from across the room while pretending to read the paper and then goes back to the paper and pretends you never made eye contact and he has a grey trenchcoat on and a tall hat.

Yeah Nova is Mafia.

I want nova dead. Maybe sloonei too.

I could buy these two as Mafia together tbh. Sloonei dominating shit, Nova sitting on the sidelines lazily pushing his bullshit Mac suspicion and doing a whole lot of nothing else because he can.

Nova has backed himself into a corner where if he changes his mind on me he would be being hypocritical because he's accused me of being Mafia because of me doing that on my Colin read.

The thing is, a civilian wouldn't give a shit about that. Nova is not a civilian.

The civilian play would require an incentive for the change. Mac hasn't given me such a thing.

Nice of you to also ignore that it is very civilian to not change one's mind and tunnel. There's nothing inherently scummy about believing your own reads, and I'd have thought a proud fellow such as yourself would know.

Do you have anything else beside "a civilian can change his mind" regarding your Colin read? I've asked you several times about the motives and reasonings, and you're just singing this gospel. It's also a baddie play to keep changing their reads, like of consistency, ya know.

This is obviously the thing that's up for debate. So you are hanging your hat and your entire alignment on that sentence yeah? It sounds like it.

So the question to everyone else is do you believe that I have not demonstrated anything in my game that looks like civ play or civ Mac at any stage? Is it possible that a civilian could formulate such a read on me based on what I have demonstrated? Because he is saying that I have not and that he has. Is there a single player who has not seen a civilian Mac here?

I am quite certain that he is caught scum.

Anyway your points. Civs can tunnel. Civs tunnel when they have a reason to. When they get fixed on something. You latched on to me from early in the game based on nothing and then insisted upon the read.

I initially tone read Colin good. Then I changed my mind because everyone else looked better and he was spending a lot of time apathetically batting away things rather than actually playing the game. Then I changed my mind again, then I changed it again. Also it's day one and I don't have the benefit of knowing his role so you know, sadly I don't know what his alignment is and was trying to force the play a bit.

"Baddies" show inconsistency across days, you catch bads demonstrating shifts in their position over days, demonstrating that they have no actual motive to identify bad guys and that instead their intent is to just look like they are. Me changing my position on Colin several times in a single day demonstrates an intent to figure him the fuck out.

Well that kill was quite obviously Nova

That's an interesting thought. Are you thinking that because nova had dunya as one of his top town reads?

Dunya had Nova out for blood and was the main person defending me from his dumb shit case. Removing her not only takes away a huge adversary of his but also makes it a hell of a lot easier to get away with his sham case making on me.

Nova is Mafia because Nova's case on me is a sham case. Nova is not demonstrating civilian tinfoil. Nova chose an opinion and is irrationally standing behind it. Not a single other player in the game will claim that I haven't done anything to deserve a civilian look.

Nova is afraid to be seen as a hypocrite because he attacked me for chopping and changing on Colin. If Nova was a civilian, Nova would have doubted his read by now. That's what I truly in my heart of hearts believe. If you disagree then that's fine, but I believe you would agree if you weren't his teammate. There.

I want nova dead. Maybe sloonei too.

This is the post that got Dunya killed.

The idea that Dunya was a smart kill for everyone else if nigh on laughable. Let me find you a nice list of people with reason to keep her alive.

It goes on longer, but it's pretty much just repetitions of "Nova is bad." I have to say, I don't find the case particularly compelling, but one has to admire the effort.

[Mongoose]

Now I'm tunneling but I don't care. I'm right and if you can't see it then poo on you.

Also if anyone is his scum buddy it's probably Colin.

Dude, I will feel so betrayed if Colin is mafia.

[Sloonei]

Now I'm tunneling but I don't care. I'm right and if you can't see it then poo on you.

Also if anyone is his scum buddy it's probably Colin.

Why colin?

[novaselinenever]

Now I'm tunneling but I don't care. I'm right and if you can't see it then poo on you.

Also if anyone is his scum buddy it's probably Colin.

Why colin?

Gotta explain his vote switch

[novaselinenever]

Now I'm tunneling but I don't care. I'm right and if you can't see it then poo on you.

Also if anyone is his scum buddy it's probably Colin.

[MacDougall]

Now I'm tunneling but I don't care. I'm right and if you can't see it then poo on you.

Also if anyone is his scum buddy it's probably Colin.

Why colin?

Earlier in the game I had a big teammate ping between them I cannot remember but it made me ask them read one another and neither did it.

[MacDougall]

Since Mac is being ornery, I'll post Mac's case on Nova.

Let's lynch Nova and Colin then. I hate them both as humans so this at the very least makes the experience of playing Mafia more enjoyable.

I've decided I think nova is Mafia. His persistent wavering scum read isn't coming with any actual attempt to convince anyone else. He is lacking civ tinfoil, or doubt. It's a sham read and premeditated before the game began as a means for dealing with me.

Every time I envision Nova posting I imagine him sitting there sipping on a drink with a smirk on his face. Everything has a snarky tone to it. His tone reeks of mischief and mayhem. He's like the guy you catch staring at you from across the room while pretending to read the paper and then goes back to the paper and pretends you never made eye contact and he has a grey trenchcoat on and a tall hat.

Yeah Nova is Mafia.

I want nova dead. Maybe sloonei too.

I could buy these two as Mafia together tbh. Sloonei dominating shit, Nova sitting on the sidelines lazily pushing his bullshit Mac suspicion and doing a whole lot of nothing else because he can.

Nova has backed himself into a corner where if he changes his mind on me he would be being hypocritical because he's accused me of being Mafia because of me doing that on my Colin read.

The thing is, a civilian wouldn't give a shit about that. Nova is not a civilian.

The civilian play would require an incentive for the change. Mac hasn't given me such a thing.

Nice of you to also ignore that it is very civilian to not change one's mind and tunnel. There's nothing inherently scummy about believing your own reads, and I'd have thought a proud fellow such as yourself would know.

Do you have anything else beside "a civilian can change his mind" regarding your Colin read? I've asked you several times about the motives and reasonings, and you're just singing this gospel. It's also a baddie play to keep changing their reads, like of consistency, ya know.

This is obviously the thing that's up for debate. So you are hanging your hat and your entire alignment on that sentence yeah? It sounds like it.

So the question to everyone else is do you believe that I have not demonstrated anything in my game that looks like civ play or civ Mac at any stage? Is it possible that a civilian could formulate such a read on me based on what I have demonstrated? Because he is saying that I have not and that he has. Is there a single player who has not seen a civilian Mac here?

I am quite certain that he is caught scum.

Anyway your points. Civs can tunnel. Civs tunnel when they have a reason to. When they get fixed on something. You latched on to me from early in the game based on nothing and then insisted upon the read.

I initially tone read Colin good. Then I changed my mind because everyone else looked better and he was spending a lot of time apathetically batting away things rather than actually playing the game. Then I changed my mind again, then I changed it again. Also it's day one and I don't have the benefit of knowing his role so you know, sadly I don't know what his alignment is and was trying to force the play a bit.

"Baddies" show inconsistency across days, you catch bads demonstrating shifts in their position over days, demonstrating that they have no actual motive to identify bad guys and that instead their intent is to just look like they are. Me changing my position on Colin several times in a single day demonstrates an intent to figure him the fuck out.

Well that kill was quite obviously Nova

That's an interesting thought. Are you thinking that because nova had dunya as one of his top town reads?

Dunya had Nova out for blood and was the main person defending me from his dumb shit case. Removing her not only takes away a huge adversary of his but also makes it a hell of a lot easier to get away with his sham case making on me.

Nova is Mafia because Nova's case on me is a sham case. Nova is not demonstrating civilian tinfoil. Nova chose an opinion and is irrationally standing behind it. Not a single other player in the game will claim that I haven't done anything to deserve a civilian look.

Nova is afraid to be seen as a hypocrite because he attacked me for chopping and changing on Colin. If Nova was a civilian, Nova would have doubted his read by now. That's what I truly in my heart of hearts believe. If you disagree then that's fine, but I believe you would agree if you weren't his teammate. There.

I want nova dead. Maybe sloonei too.

This is the post that got Dunya killed.

The idea that Dunya was a smart kill for everyone else if nigh on laughable. Let me find you a nice list of people with reason to keep her alive.

It goes on longer, but it's pretty much just repetitions of "Nova is bad." I have to say, I don't find the case particularly compelling, but one has to admire the effort.

Quotes posts that are a lot more than "Nova is bad".

Says that posts are just saying "Nova is bad".

[thellama73]

No, I said the rest of the posts following those are mostly "Nova is bad".

[Mongoose]

Good memory [mention]MacDougall[/mention] - I believe this is what you meant:

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

[MacDougall]

Also since when are cases important.

He's also remained snarky throughout all my tunneling. Civs get mad when they get tunneled. He's just begrudgingly admiring me while other people actually do the defending.

[MacDougall]

Good memory @MacDougall - I believe this is what you meant:

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

And how did they react to that?

[thellama73]

Also since when are cases important.

He's also remained snarky throughout all my tunneling. Civs get mad when they get tunneled. He's just begrudgingly admiring me while other people actually do the defending.

I would say it depends on the civ, but this is probably the best point you've made in favor of your theory so far.

[MacDougall]

Nova is "sure" that I am bad "lol".

*reads role card again*

Nova is Mafia.

[Mongoose]

Good memory @MacDougall - I believe this is what you meant:

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

And how did they react to that?

Colin:
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

Maybe

Nova:

Who's not impressed by Mac's exercise?

[novaselinenever]

Also since when are cases important.

He's also remained snarky throughout all my tunneling. Civs get mad when they get tunneled. He's just begrudgingly admiring me while other people actually do the defending.

Why would I get mad? I find it rather amusing, especially when I believe you're bad.

[MacDougall]

Good memory @MacDougall - I believe this is what you meant:

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

And how did they react to that?

Colin:
@MacDougall

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

Maybe

Nova:

Who's not impressed by Mac's exercise?

Such civilians

[novaselinenever]

Nova is "sure" that I am bad "lol".

*reads role card again*

Nova is Mafia.

Hilarious

[thellama73]

I must say, this has turned into a rather interesting day. Lots of heated discussion. I'm enjoying that. I still think Luna is the droids you're looking for though.

[novaselinenever]

Good memory @MacDougall - I believe this is what you meant:

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

And how did they react to that?

Colin:
@MacDougall

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

Maybe

Nova:

Who's not impressed by Mac's exercise?

Such civilians

If you actually wanted an answer, you'd have found that I had already shared my thoughts on Colin. The fact that you didn't noticed that, and you've never asked the question again, and that's you're just bringing it up to explain your Colin vote and keep tunneling me speaks volume.

[MacDougall]

Go ahead and lynch Lunalee. If she flips civilian then lynch Nova/Colin in no particular order. Game will be over.

[novaselinenever]

I ain't even mad though, mac.

[MacDougall]

Good memory @MacDougall - I believe this is what you meant:

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

And how did they react to that?

Colin:
@MacDougall

ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

Maybe

Nova:

Who's not impressed by Mac's exercise?

Such civilians

If you actually wanted an answer, you'd have found that I had already shared my thoughts on Colin. The fact that you didn't noticed that, and you've never asked the question again, and that's you're just bringing it up to explain your Colin vote and keep tunneling me speaks volume.

Yeah cool story bro.

[Sloonei]

I don’t feel like this style of conversation is helpful. If you guys suspect each other, discuss specific points of interest.

[novaselinenever]

Go ahead and lynch Lunalee. If she flips civilian then lynch Nova/Colin in no particular order. Game will be over.

I'll see you and raise you this, we'll lynch Colin today and you tomorrow. Game will be over.

[MacDougall]

I don’t feel like this style of conversation is helpful. If you guys suspect each other, discuss specific points of interest.

You gotta stop posting shit that makes me wanna say

FUCK

YOU

DAD

[MacDougall]

Go ahead and lynch Lunalee. If she flips civilian then lynch Nova/Colin in no particular order. Game will be over.

I'll see you and raise you this, we'll lynch Colin today and you tomorrow. Game will be over.

Lynch Colin today and then me tomorrow and then Nova the next day then.

[thellama73]

Poll: Nova is unruffled by Mac Attack. Is this because
a) Mac is only one person and Nova, confident in his own innocence, does not feel in serious danger?
b) Nova is a cocky baddie aware that it only takes a couple of mislynches for his team to win, and is celebrating early?

[novaselinenever]

I don’t feel like this style of conversation is helpful. If you guys suspect each other, discuss specific points of interest.

There is absolutely nothing to discuss. I've already talked about Mac in depth, and answer all questions. You'd see more than just "Mac is bad" in my ISO.

If you'd like to discuss something, ask Mac to speak about anything else that isn't me. We'll see if he has anything.