MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[Gemma]

Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

why

Am I supposed to assume he's a civilian every time out?

yes

you didn't answer my question

The question was rhetorical.

what

Spoiler: show

answer my question

[speedchuck]

are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.

[novaselinenever]

Epi isn't making a whole lot of sense

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Placeholder since I dont want to lynch speed anymore

[speedchuck]

What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

Day 0 is a courtesy phase to ensure that everybody has time to receive their role and check in before the start of Day 1.

@Sloonei MP needs an ISO link

Added. People with spaces in their names defy my black magic sorcery.

Can i make a sad request to please stop using yellow i cannot see it on white background

FELLOW WHITE BACKGROUNDER!

[Epignosis]

Possibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

Eh the thing is that I kind of see a reasoning for it. Na.ely this game has a bunch of cops and they all act in Night 1/2. So No Lynch would reduce the chance we lynch our own cops and hopefully give us a headstart in ability usage. It reminded me of the Jester Game we do in NF.

Of course the price we pay for that is a civ night kill, so I'm not entirely sure the move is profitable. Would like to see a discussion on it, though.

There is only ever one scenario to vote no lynch and Day 1 ain't it.

I just described a different game as an example but logical reasoning doesn't work with you, so I won't insist.

[Epignosis]

why

Am I supposed to assume he's a civilian every time out?

yes

you didn't answer my question

The question was rhetorical.

what

Spoiler: show

answer my question

No.

[novaselinenever]

Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.

To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.

What do you think of admission of messing up? That doesn't looking someone trying to sound justified.

[speedchuck]

Alright I'm probably being too harsh. But explain to me why No Lynch is a good idea.

Either own the vote or dont vote bro

I liked the vote but the comment afterwards just left a sour taste in my mouth

I want to town read this because I agree with it really hard.

Don't really see an issue with the rest of the content in this ISO. Lots of off-topic stuff but that's cool.

[Gemma]

Possibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

Eh the thing is that I kind of see a reasoning for it. Na.ely this game has a bunch of cops and they all act in Night 1/2. So No Lynch would reduce the chance we lynch our own cops and hopefully give us a headstart in ability usage. It reminded me of the Jester Game we do in NF.

Of course the price we pay for that is a civ night kill, so I'm not entirely sure the move is profitable. Would like to see a discussion on it, though.

There is only ever one scenario to vote no lynch and Day 1 ain't it.

I just described a different game as an example but logical reasoning doesn't work with you, so I won't insist.

that's not very nice

[Gemma]

Am I supposed to assume he's a civilian every time out?

yes

you didn't answer my question

The question was rhetorical.

what

Spoiler: show

answer my question

No.

why not

[Epignosis]

I don't need to explain why I don't hand out civilian labels like Halloween candy Day 1.

[speedchuck]

Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.

To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.

What do you think of admission of messing up? That doesn't looking someone trying to sound justified.

True. The quoted post is pretty decent. DDL's going for a hard reset there, not trying to sound justified anymore.

That's the problem. I DID set a trap. Traps can catch town too, and DDL often looks scummy as town.

[Gemma]

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Placeholder since I dont want to lynch speed anymore

what

did you just self-vote

lmao

[Gemma]

I don't need to explain why I don't hand out civilian labels like Halloween candy Day 1.

lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

Speedchuck town. One of the easiest early townreads I’ve ever made.

why

also, why

I hear you aren’t interested in meta.

[speedchuck]

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

[Gemma]

Speedchuck town. One of the easiest early townreads I’ve ever made.

why

also, why

I hear you aren’t interested in meta.

oh boy you are going to be fun

[Gemma]

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

[speedchuck]

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

Is that so, [mention]novaselinenever[/mention]?

30 hours left and you want to lynch a no-show? Scum.

[speedchuck]

Oh. I just realized I'm starving.

Later.

[Gemma]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

did you forget that you were townreading that player

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

did you forget that you were townreading that player

No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Speedchuck town. One of the easiest early townreads I’ve ever made.

why

also, why

I hear you aren’t interested in meta.

oh boy you are going to be fun

I’m not sure why it’s my fault you want me to pretend I don’t know players I know.

[novaselinenever]

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

what does that tell you?

[novaselinenever]

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

Is that so, @novaselinenever?

30 hours left and you want to lynch a no-show? Scum.

I was baiting of course

[Gemma]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

did you forget that you were townreading that player

No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.

can you explain how you got to the opinion that ultra is using nova as a clutch and how that makes him more likely to be mafia

[novaselinenever]

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

[novaselinenever]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

[Ultra]

When I casually drop pro level mafia terminology like "Chainsaw defense", just wait until I pull out the big acronyms kids

To explain again what I meant, a chainsaw defense is when you defend someone indirectly through attacking someone else. I found this notable because JJJ didn't really make it clear he town read speed chuck until someone jumped on him, so it looks opportunistic.

Yeah okay.

We got one.

Agreed that this entrance was awkward, especially in hindisight with his no lynch proposition

But then you proceeded to shade like 3 other people so I'm going to ask you how serious you are about this slot.

Is there a quota on how many people you can shade? I'm a proponent of the shade every bad thing you see and no neutral law. I'm not sure how the number of people I shade affect my seriousness, especially since you agree and see the same thing I do.

Ohohoho, someone's a little defensive. I was just trying to get clarification on what your read was on him was. Or anyone else you shaded.

@novaselinenever

Reads please

I'm currently beefing with Rundon'twalk and Soneji. I'm not really buying the formers concern with Jay sticking him as good early on, and the whole "he knows I play the same as both alignments" is whack. That has never stopped people from forming read, let alone gut ones. If what he claims is true and Jay knows him well, he should also know Jay well and that flinging poo early on alongside sticking people with an alignment based on first impression is his bread and butter. I think I talked about Soneji's entrance sometime earlier.

The whole no lynch thing is hilarious, and I'm more intrigued by DDL jumping on Speed than the latter making that claim. I took it as him messing around, 'cause I don't believe for a second that he's serious about it.

I can't say I'm a fan of you calling out the vote on DDL, nor throwing around fancy words like "chainsaw defense". Feels like over-compensating

If that was a bait post it's a pretty bad one. A player with low presence makes a very bad suggestion and then leaves. I can't reflexively blame someone for voting for that. I will blame a player for jumping on that player without explanation.

[Gemma]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

more specific pls

[Gemma]

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

um

why is it iffy for someone to care what your reads are and prod you accordingly

i am confused

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

more specific pls

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

more specific pls

Who are the wolves?

[Gemma]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

more specific pls

Who are the wolves?

that is not more specific lol

idk who the wolves are

did that help you sort my alignment

[Ultra]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

[Ultra]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

did you forget that you were townreading that player

No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.

Can you point out how I'm trying to buddy Nova

[Gemma]

vote: ultra

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

Do you believe that JJJ was defending a teammate, or that he knows I'm town because he's not?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

more specific pls

Who are the wolves?

that is not more specific lol

idk who the wolves are

did that help you sort my alignment

Can’t say it did.

Did any of your questions and the answers you got help you sort anyone’s alignment?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

This is up the wrong tree at best.

Speed didn’t need Jay to defend Speed from something that a bunch of players would think makes DDL look bad and doesn’t make Speed look bad.

One could more easily argue that this post is indicative of you and DDL being scum together.

[Gemma]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

i agree that was a bad vote dot tm

[novaselinenever]

Yeah okay.

We got one.

Agreed that this entrance was awkward, especially in hindisight with his no lynch proposition

But then you proceeded to shade like 3 other people so I'm going to ask you how serious you are about this slot.

Is there a quota on how many people you can shade? I'm a proponent of the shade every bad thing you see and no neutral law. I'm not sure how the number of people I shade affect my seriousness, especially since you agree and see the same thing I do.

Ohohoho, someone's a little defensive. I was just trying to get clarification on what your read was on him was. Or anyone else you shaded.

You're mistaking defensive with constant offense

I didn't like his entrance so that's where the shade is coming from. I figured he was messing around with the no lynch 'cause I know the dude, and I didn't really see any motivation behind it although I agree that it's whack. Been feeling good about him with his recent reappearance, we're mind-melding.

@novaselinenever

Reads please

I'm currently beefing with Rundon'twalk and Soneji. I'm not really buying the formers concern with Jay sticking him as good early on, and the whole "he knows I play the same as both alignments" is whack. That has never stopped people from forming read, let alone gut ones. If what he claims is true and Jay knows him well, he should also know Jay well and that flinging poo early on alongside sticking people with an alignment based on first impression is his bread and butter. I think I talked about Soneji's entrance sometime earlier.

The whole no lynch thing is hilarious, and I'm more intrigued by DDL jumping on Speed than the latter making that claim. I took it as him messing around, 'cause I don't believe for a second that he's serious about it.

I can't say I'm a fan of you calling out the vote on DDL, nor throwing around fancy words like "chainsaw defense". Feels like over-compensating

If that was a bait post it's a pretty bad one. A player with low presence makes a very bad suggestion and then leaves. I can't reflexively blame someone for voting for that. I will blame a player for jumping on that player without explanation.

That's the easy way out. I'd have let it develop and see what shakes out especially if it's between players that know each other and you being new. I mean didn't it cross your mind that he might have been messing around, and it can't be that easy?

What's your stance on all three of them as of now?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Speed
Gemma <- here and above is light green

Jay <-here and below is orange
Ultra
DDL

[Ultra]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

Do you believe that JJJ was defending a teammate, or that he knows I'm town because he's not?

Leaning towards the latter atm

[Ultra]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

This is up the wrong tree at best.

Speed didn’t need Jay to defend Speed from something that a bunch of players would think makes DDL look bad and doesn’t make Speed look bad.

wat

[novaselinenever]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

more specific pls

2 scum reads, 2 town reads and why.

[Epignosis]

I was baiting of course

You're a master baiter.

[Gemma]

Gemma what are your own thoughts. I'm seeing a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

more specific pls

Who are the wolves?

that is not more specific lol

idk who the wolves are

did that help you sort my alignment

Can’t say it did.

Did any of your questions and the answers you got help you sort anyone’s alignment?

a bit

my test subjects have not exactly been forthcoming with their answers