MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[Luxurious]

I care what I look like.

Well, some of the time.

Saying things is more important than preserving myself.

But unsaying stupid things in order to preserve myself isn't bad.

I would hound you on this but this makes sense to me from a town pov

[Jackofhearts2005]

And what is this privilege I have that I'm so interested in? Is it my Internet connection? Don't we all have those?

You are privilege.

[Luxurious]

Usually I think that town shouldnt care what they look like as long as they get the information they need out and contribute but saying stupid shit and then dying isnt going to make you a martyr it’s just gonna make you an idiot

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ok so I guess I'm allowed to point out how nova is different than in the other game now?

Cuz he totally is.

Everyone: you’re scummy!!!
DDL: fine I’ll hoard all my thoughts right here and then one day I’ll die

I had to wait for nova to die in the other game to point that out.

Yeah, that's the context.

Epi what about forges?

[Epignosis]

And what is this privilege I have that I'm so interested in? Is it my Internet connection? Don't we all have those?

You are privilege.

[Epignosis]

Ok so I guess I'm allowed to point out how nova is different than in the other game now?

Cuz he totally is.

Everyone: you’re scummy!!!
DDL: fine I’ll hoard all my thoughts right here and then one day I’ll die

I had to wait for nova to die in the other game to point that out.

Yeah, that's the context.

Epi what about forges?

I recommend the DFSW2 Gas Propane Forge

-The fuel that is used by the DFSW2 gas propane forge is all contained in a pressurized cylinder. This means that the product does not make a mess at all when it is being used.
-The DFSW2 gas propane forge does not require plenty of effort to be used; anyone with any skill level can use this.
-The DFSW2 gas propane forge does not pollute the air. If you are an environmental conscious person, this is a very good product to pick up on the market especially on places like eBay.
-As far as maintenance for, if you are a traditional blacksmith, you will be happy to know that the DFSW2 gas propane forge does not require plenty of attention.

[Gemma]

I hate this

The lol or Epi?

The lol

You expect a less indifferent response?

No I just thought the whole line of questioning was bad and I dont get why Gemma doesnt like his responses

From the look of it Gemma expects everyone to have JJJ as a townread right off the bat which, like, why should I? Was does Gemma?

Why does Gemma say this and then go back and say “i have no town or scum reads?” After acting like JJJ is town and then not even have a semblance of a read on Epi?

None of it makes sense to me

why do you think i was acting like jjj is town?

Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

why

Am I supposed to assume he's a civilian every time out?

yes

you didn't answer my question

oh

you assume people are town because it's good form, not because of anything you think about their alignment

also, rand town is 75%, so it's generally just safer to err on the side of that unless you have a lot of evidence to the contrary

[Luxurious]

The lol or Epi?

The lol

You expect a less indifferent response?

No I just thought the whole line of questioning was bad and I dont get why Gemma doesnt like his responses

From the look of it Gemma expects everyone to have JJJ as a townread right off the bat which, like, why should I? Was does Gemma?

Why does Gemma say this and then go back and say “i have no town or scum reads?” After acting like JJJ is town and then not even have a semblance of a read on Epi?

None of it makes sense to me

why do you think i was acting like jjj is town?

Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

why

Am I supposed to assume he's a civilian every time out?

yes

you didn't answer my question

oh

you assume people are town because it's good form, not because of anything you think about their alignment

also, rand town is 75%, so it's generally just safer to err on the side of that unless you have a lot of evidence to the contrary

If you always err on the side of town you’ll never find any scum and constantly be in a state of “well they’re probably town? I’m not sure though” that you have found yourself to be in

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ok so I guess I'm allowed to point out how nova is different than in the other game now?

Cuz he totally is.

Everyone: you’re scummy!!!
DDL: fine I’ll hoard all my thoughts right here and then one day I’ll die

I had to wait for nova to die in the other game to point that out.

Yeah, that's the context.

Epi what about forges?

I recommend the DFSW2 Gas Propane Forge

-The fuel that is used by the DFSW2 gas propane forge is all contained in a pressurized cylinder. This means that the product does not make a mess at all when it is being used.
-The DFSW2 gas propane forge does not require plenty of effort to be used; anyone with any skill level can use this.
-The DFSW2 gas propane forge does not pollute the air. If you are an environmental conscious person, this is a very good product to pick up on the market especially on places like eBay.
-As far as maintenance for, if you are a traditional blacksmith, you will be happy to know that the DFSW2 gas propane forge does not require plenty of attention.

Ya’ll shouldn’t townread me I’ll stop trying so hard.

[Luxurious]

Anyway I dont think pushing the way your homesite plays/ how you think town should play is gonna really make a difference here.

Now I miss Firo (

[speedchuck]

are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.

Expound

I recently played a crossover game with another forum, which I won't name directly because it feels like badmouthing. They weren't able to keep up with a game that traveled at slower than normal syndicate speed, and some players were upset about how much posting was done and how it was too stressful.

I'm... a little cooler on Gemma now because of the "What" and "Why" and "How" posts that keep coming, drilling for repetitive info instead of supplying some. But I like their moxy (and the comics).

what

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Gemma[/mention]

Why should I move my vote off you?

[Epignosis]

MP has my vote for now.

[Gemma]

Gemma, you've given a decent amount of your attention to nova:

Question | Prod | Question about prods

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

This carries implied shade given the context of speedchuck's sarcasm.

you're a blob of meta

He's a blob of meta.

I don't object to a lot of questions. Questions are super as long as there is a destination. I don't see a destination. What is your stance on nova?

v person is nova

i thought i was responding to jack, so the "you" is jack. jack is blob of meta because he won't explain his reads other than saying something something meta

i thought it was scummy that nova voted for someone who hadn't really been in thread at all. it's an easy vote and he hadn't said anything about mac, so there was no reasoning behind the vote that i could tell. i could see a world where nova as scum feels like he ought to vote mac there in order to try to make his earlier exchange with him seem more legitimate.

his reads so far are kind of rigid and one-dimensional-ish which is a little concerning but i'm still getting a sense of his process and given the level he seems to be playing at i think things like his mood and approach to me might be more alignment indicative, so he mostly just ends up at null. if you think there is anything he's done that is very alignment indicative for him i would love to hear it

What do you mean by level

level 0: reads people using tells that apply regardless of context or playstyle

level 1: introduces context, reads agenda and tone

level 2: focuses solely on context, reads process and mindset

ish

[Luxurious]

Gemma, you've given a decent amount of your attention to nova:

Question | Prod | Question about prods

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

This carries implied shade given the context of speedchuck's sarcasm.

you're a blob of meta

He's a blob of meta.

I don't object to a lot of questions. Questions are super as long as there is a destination. I don't see a destination. What is your stance on nova?

v person is nova

i thought i was responding to jack, so the "you" is jack. jack is blob of meta because he won't explain his reads other than saying something something meta

i thought it was scummy that nova voted for someone who hadn't really been in thread at all. it's an easy vote and he hadn't said anything about mac, so there was no reasoning behind the vote that i could tell. i could see a world where nova as scum feels like he ought to vote mac there in order to try to make his earlier exchange with him seem more legitimate.

his reads so far are kind of rigid and one-dimensional-ish which is a little concerning but i'm still getting a sense of his process and given the level he seems to be playing at i think things like his mood and approach to me might be more alignment indicative, so he mostly just ends up at null. if you think there is anything he's done that is very alignment indicative for him i would love to hear it

What do you mean by level

level 0: reads people using tells that apply regardless of context or playstyle

level 1: introduces context, reads agenda and tone

level 2: focuses solely on context, reads process and mindset

ish

Are these mutually exclusive

[Luxurious]

I guess that affects the way they play but if you know that why does it effect your read on them

[Jackofhearts2005]

MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Proof that JaggedJimmyJay is bad

Can you explain this?

[Gemma]

I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

Is that a good or a bad thing

I would say it's a good thing for you because if he is town I trust his judgement more than most and if he is Mafia I don't think he'd be as blatant at drawing connections between you two.

That being said I did have a conversation with him recently in which he claimed that he prefers to be on Mafia teams that work in union.

so you do have powerwolfing here

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

Can you be a little less vague and give some more specifics? Like which newer peoples you find townie and what not and which regular folk are more so not human like?

[Gemma]

I am 100% certain Jack is town.

Why?

Because Jack is the easiest player to read in the entire world.

is this a serious read

if so are you able to words about it

When Jack is Mafia he plays more carefully and less fancy free. He has a common town meta as Mafia and is more comfortable and loose when he is town. As town he is also want to give more phoned in efforts when as Mafia he has his game face on 25/8.

This reads that he plays like scum when he’s town

He plays like a low effort townie when he is town and he plays like a supertown when is Mafia.

this seems foolproof

[Epignosis]

MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I kind of want to vote JJJ. I enjoy playing with him, and it has been awhile since we last played. But I also feel like I'm not quite yet seeing the Jay that I've seen before in 2 other games I played with him. Is that enough to go by? I don't know. Have I only seen his town game? I think so. Then again he might play different with a power role in hand, so maybe that's why he appears different. Or he could be generally busy, but I'm not suppose to make excuses for him. I'm just suppose to read what the thread gives me. Or maybe some games does Jay not get serious super early on? In my mind, it would be hard to maintain a talkative or inquisitive facade like every single game.

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[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine Right now, you are the most different to me. I suggest doing something to change my mind or find someone scummier. I hope to see some effort when i get back. (aka I wanted to play with you more, but I can't be your buddy if you are scum)

I'm not following what you're saying. If I reduce your commentary to the highlighted bit: are you then asserting that I have not been serious to this point in the game? Because that's hard to believe.

Upon slightly rereading, I noticed your posts in rapid succession of each other. I see that generally more as town tell, but it depends on the person doing it and if there is actual content mixed in. I think I'll remove my vote for now and focus my energies elsewhere.

The one thing that worries me is that in a previous game speedchuck explained that that game's day 0 was generally more active because you were in the game. Or that day 0s are more active when you are around. So with the day 0 seeming lackluster, that was the major difference for me in your behavior.

[Epignosis]

Proof that JaggedJimmyJay is bad

Can you explain this?

Explain all of the lyrics? I could, since I wrote them, but I'm afraid I don't have the time right now. I encourage you to listen and arrive at your own interpretations.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

*is temporary voting no lynch*

I still want blood this day phase (so I'll be voting for someone else) so that I'll know if my reads are on the right track or if I need to reassess things.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Proof that JaggedJimmyJay is bad

Can you explain this?

Explain all of the lyrics? I could, since I wrote them, but I'm afraid I don't have the time right now. I encourage you to listen and arrive at your own interpretations.

I must have missed the song. *feels left out*

On another tangent, do you currently have any spicy reads to talk about or address?

[Gemma]

Talk to me about Jack. What do you see in his attitude?

read this post and let me know if there is any actual reasoning for a scumread in it

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Oof. Remember all the times DDL didn't do shit like this?

And remember the time he did shit like this to me when he was scum in Addams Family?

Bad reason to vote Speedchuck. Welcome to my scumreads.

What about this doesnt look like a real scum read to you gemma

he's angling on ddl and trying to use something ddl did in a past game as reason for why he is mafia in this game. it's basically just shade

Does knowing the fact he uses meta make this a worse look for you since you admitted that you dont like it?

How about his change of stance now?

people using meta doesn't necessarily worsen my read on them, i just don't find meta useful

i care about the way he is doing things, not what he is doing

what change of stance? i'm watching tv with wife, kind of distracted sorry

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Civilians be more civilian, k

I wish Dizzy were here. He would buddy some people and be super kawai for words. (and cat pictures)

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I'm bugged that Owner tacked on with nova here and then wrote this big vague essay about me being "different", whatever that means.

I didn't really tack on. I was already having thoughts in that direction, and highly doubt my past experience/reasoning overlapped with his reason for saying that.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

So for everyone who asks, I was (as assumed by some) trolling for reactions. I'll be moving my vote, but hey, started some discussion.

This feels a bit too scripted. Not sure, if this was planned for some motive or what, but generally talking or getting the conversation going is a good thing, unless there's some hidden/scum motive involved..hmm

How soon do you think you'll be moving your vote? / Who are your currently suspicious of?

[Jackofhearts2005]

MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.

Do you actually suspect MP?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

Is that everyone or just yourself? I'm asking for a friend. *is curious* * (not related) wants to hear from M Plus 7*

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

Is that a good or a bad thing

I would say it's a good thing for you because if he is town I trust his judgement more than most and if he is Mafia I don't think he'd be as blatant at drawing connections between you two.

That being said I did have a conversation with him recently in which he claimed that he prefers to be on Mafia teams that work in union.

so you do have powerwolfing here

We only bus.

[Jackofhearts2005]

MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.

Do you actually suspect MP?

Choose your own adventure defense is just as bad as choose your own adventure offense.

“I’m not voting for realzies. How do you know I’m not voting for realzies?”

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Gemma
Jackofhearts2005
novaselinenever
rundontwalk
speedchuck
Ultra

JessieKruger
Tsaiah

Dragomir
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Luxurious
M Plus 7
MacDougall
Owner
Soneji

JaggedJimmyJay

do you have any other reads? Or are your reads similar to his?

[Epignosis]

*is temporary voting no lynch*

I still want blood this day phase (so I'll be voting for someone else) so that I'll know if my reads are on the right track or if I need to reassess things.

Watch out or Jack will get you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gemma
Jackofhearts2005
novaselinenever
rundontwalk
speedchuck
Ultra

JessieKruger
Tsaiah

Dragomir
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Luxurious
M Plus 7
MacDougall
Owner
Soneji

JaggedJimmyJay

do you have any other reads? Or are your reads similar to his?

I have reads somewhere.

Speed, Lux town. Probably town DDL.

Jay, Epi scumlean.

Gemma, Ultra scumread.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.

Yeah, this pace is nice. MU is marathon. Having time to breathe in a game definitely helps out with work life balance and well being stuff.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Epi isn't making a whole lot of sense

Does he usually make sense? Or what in particular doesn't make sense to you?

[Jackofhearts2005]

*is temporary voting no lynch*

I still want blood this day phase (so I'll be voting for someone else) so that I'll know if my reads are on the right track or if I need to reassess things.

Watch out or Jack will get you.

Really now?

[Epignosis]

Proof that JaggedJimmyJay is bad

Can you explain this?

Explain all of the lyrics? I could, since I wrote them, but I'm afraid I don't have the time right now. I encourage you to listen and arrive at your own interpretations.

I must have missed the song. *feels left out*

No, it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously in the context of Mafia.

The link was an apparently pointless way of announcing that I released my third album after eight painful years making it and that people should go listen to it.

On another tangent, do you currently have any spicy reads to talk about or address?

You have to ask nutella about spicy takes. I only have mild takes.

I presently have two people in the good pile. That's all I've got for now.

I'm reading a foreign language with all these new faces coming in here with their chainsaws and shades and privileges and gaslighting and powerwolfs.

I sometimes feel like I'm in reading the lyrics of a Yes album, come to think of it.

[Gemma]

@Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?

if you scumread me you shouldn't obv

[Gemma]

Gemma, you've given a decent amount of your attention to nova:

Question | Prod | Question about prods

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

This carries implied shade given the context of speedchuck's sarcasm.

you're a blob of meta

He's a blob of meta.

I don't object to a lot of questions. Questions are super as long as there is a destination. I don't see a destination. What is your stance on nova?

v person is nova

i thought i was responding to jack, so the "you" is jack. jack is blob of meta because he won't explain his reads other than saying something something meta

i thought it was scummy that nova voted for someone who hadn't really been in thread at all. it's an easy vote and he hadn't said anything about mac, so there was no reasoning behind the vote that i could tell. i could see a world where nova as scum feels like he ought to vote mac there in order to try to make his earlier exchange with him seem more legitimate.

his reads so far are kind of rigid and one-dimensional-ish which is a little concerning but i'm still getting a sense of his process and given the level he seems to be playing at i think things like his mood and approach to me might be more alignment indicative, so he mostly just ends up at null. if you think there is anything he's done that is very alignment indicative for him i would love to hear it

What do you mean by level

level 0: reads people using tells that apply regardless of context or playstyle

level 1: introduces context, reads agenda and tone

level 2: focuses solely on context, reads process and mindset

ish

Are these mutually exclusive

not entirely

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I don't need to explain why I don't hand out civilian labels like Halloween candy Day 1.

*kidding* I feel like in hindsight I could have kept a more flexible scum/town meta game if hadn't rose to the occasion or became such a try hard some games. I don't why I'm talking here. This probably not all that related to what you are saying here...derp.

[Epignosis]

Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

Is that everyone or just yourself? I'm asking for a friend. *is curious* * (not related) wants to hear from M Plus 7*

JJJ often gets a pass in my experience for his voluminous content. I give him no such pass.

That said, I believe lynching him Day 1 is -EV in the long term, and thus will not be voting for him today.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

No, it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously in the context of Mafia.

The link was an apparently pointless way of announcing that I released my third album after eight painful years making it and that people should go listen to it.

Sometimes, I pick up on jokes. Other times, I feel like it can go either way.

On another tangent, do you currently have any spicy reads to talk about or address?

You have to ask nutella about spicy takes. I only have mild takes.

I presently have two people in the good pile. That's all I've got for now.

I'm reading a foreign language with all these new faces coming in here with their chainsaws and shades and privileges and gaslighting and powerwolfs.

I sometimes feel like I'm in reading the lyrics of a Yes album, come to think of it.

A mild take is better than nothing. But congrats on your foreign language reading skill. It sounds like you are at least managing to read so that's probably at least Level 2 or something.

Yeah, those Yes lyrics seem to be everywhere. Hopefully, you won't get bothered if they land or get stuck in your head.

[speedchuck]

So for everyone who asks, I was (as assumed by some) trolling for reactions. I'll be moving my vote, but hey, started some discussion.

This feels a bit too scripted. Not sure, if this was planned for some motive or what, but generally talking or getting the conversation going is a good thing, unless there's some hidden/scum motive involved..hmm

How soon do you think you'll be moving your vote? / Who are your currently suspicious of?

I have moved my vote (and answered this question), so I'll assume you get to that

[Epignosis]

I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

Is that a good or a bad thing

I would say it's a good thing for you because if he is town I trust his judgement more than most and if he is Mafia I don't think he'd be as blatant at drawing connections between you two.

That being said I did have a conversation with him recently in which he claimed that he prefers to be on Mafia teams that work in union.

so you do have powerwolfing here

Wait a minute. I just used my privilege and Googled this term.

You mean there's an actual word (and apparently a long article) about mafia teams...playing the game?

Wild.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

Is that everyone or just yourself? I'm asking for a friend. *is curious* * (not related) wants to hear from M Plus 7*

JJJ often gets a pass in my experience for his voluminous content. I give him no such pass.

That said, I believe lynching him Day 1 is -EV in the long term, and thus will not be voting for him today.

Hey JJJ, I didn't know that you got to pass go? Will you be sharing the $200?

[Epignosis]

I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

Can you be a little less vague and give some more specifics? Like which newer peoples you find townie and what not and which regular folk are more so not human like?

I'm adding Owner to the good list.

That's one...two...three civilians!

Ah ah ah.