Girl Genius (END)

[Epignosis]

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sloonei thoughts?

Oh I'm sorry. I thought you were asking Sloonei for thoughts about me.

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Sloonei:

[Dom]

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

Careful now.

Am I supposed to be scared of you?
Y'all newbies don't know that I could eat you for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

You're sweating. Relax.

lol

Wayward quote tags.

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sure.
I think the "fellow civillian" line was suspicious in its own right. What do you think? For me, it was very...

Fixed your image.

I don't know. It could be more like:



In all seriousness, the thing that grosses me out over that isn't "fellow civilian," but rather the existence of the quotation marks.

The entire exchange doesn't add up, and if timmer is innocent, Rej tipped his hand there.

I absolutely agree.
I just think rej is the stronger candidate.
Tie them up?

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sure.
I think the "fellow civillian" line was suspicious in its own right. What do you think? For me, it was very...

Dom, I didn't answer your question because it seemed as though you were grilling me over a point that I did not make.

...cool excuse you've used twice now.
I'm not interested in your dodges. I'm interested in answers.

We can be motivated to believe sig because he might be town. sig's reputation as an easy mislynch candidate is thoroughly documented. Tempering our natural inclination to suspect him for doing sig things on Day 1 feels more wise than jumping down his throat for doing sig things on Day 1.

I have not made an argument for or against the suspicion of sig for his preemptive meta defense. I don't care about it one way or the other. I don't think it makes him look bad, I think it makes him look like sig. I believe this now qualifies as an argument against the suspicion.
Dragomir brought up a point on Day 0. I provided an opposing viewpoint.

Why does this matter so much to you?

holy linki

It doesn't.
It matters that you have avoided answering direct questions.

[Dom]

Epi-- I think it speaks volumes they're voting for each other.

[Dragomir]

Why is my name being brought up so much?

[Epignosis]

Timmer was cool as a cucumber after garnering the votes he did. I have to think about that. It's been a while for me with him.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to move over to Creature for now. See how that feels.

[Sloonei]

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sloonei thoughts?

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

[Epignosis]

As I've said often, lynching Sloonei Day 1 is -EV.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sloonei thoughts?

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

[TonyStarkPrime]

As I've said often, lynching Sloonei Day 1 is -EV.

I’m going for this route next time I’m scum I think I’m gonna have a slight vendetta for a while.

[Epignosis]

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sloonei thoughts?

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).

[Epignosis]

As I've said often, lynching Sloonei Day 1 is -EV.

I’m going for this route next time I’m scum I think I’m gonna have a slight vendetta for a while.

How do you mean?

[Dom]

what is ~EV?

[TonyStarkPrime]

what is ~EV?

Negative expected value. Sloonei is a strong contributor to any town and day 1 lynches aren’t reliable. You lose a lot more than any chance to gain on a positive lynch.

[Epignosis]

what is ~EV?

Negative expected value.

It's an investing term. In a nutshell as it relates to Mafia, what I mean is that lynching Sloonei Day 1 will be a big net loss long term because he's an active, thoughtful participant, but he is also one that I find is more easily sorted as things play out. Let him live early (unless something obvious happens), but feel free to put him through the wringer at any point. I hope that makes sense.

[Dom]

oooh we use expected value in mafia these days?
the mathematician in me just freaked. :#

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sloonei thoughts?

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).

I got it we’re good

At the other one- I will try to kill Sloonei early when I am scum because I am now permanently scared of him.

To further the point to Dom, if scum wants to kill Sloonei on average early, the town does not want to kill Sloonei on average early

[Epignosis]

oooh we use expected value in mafia these days?
the mathematician in me just freaked. :#

[TonyStarkPrime]

oooh we use expected value in mafia these days?
the mathematician in me just freaked. :#

This is the future now ever since Moneyball was released on Blu-ray and I watched it 20 times everything’s just seemed like a big math problem.

[Sloonei]

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sloonei thoughts?

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).

I got it we’re good

At the other one- I will try to kill Sloonei early when I am scum because I am now permanently scared of him.

To further the point to Dom, if scum wants to kill Sloonei on average early, the town does not want to kill Sloonei on average early

idk what i even did to you, i am harmless

[timmer]

I think both Drag abd Sloonie are mafia and this back and forth is a conspiracy. Feels very manufactured.

So I decided to read up on this Dragomir guy since I don't know him and I like his style. I notice that he tangled with Sig, so I'll comment on this... Sig has taken pains to come up swinging with the "I always look bad" thing, and he is absolutely correct in his self-read, even I remember this. But then Sig goes and says things that just... seem shady, like the above. I'd love to hear how this feels like a conspiracy, I don't see it at ALL. And furthur... even though he is correct in his meta read, I'd actually that he seems... bad, lol.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't see either one as "more likely" bad, as I said I considered them teammates at the time I made my accusation. I'm keeping an open mind until Saturday.

Sloonei thoughts?

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).

I got it we’re good

At the other one- I will try to kill Sloonei early when I am scum because I am now permanently scared of him.

To further the point to Dom, if scum wants to kill Sloonei on average early, the town does not want to kill Sloonei on average early

idk what i even did to you, i am harmless

you’re scary

[Epignosis]

Sloonei thoughts?

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).

I got it we’re good

At the other one- I will try to kill Sloonei early when I am scum because I am now permanently scared of him.

To further the point to Dom, if scum wants to kill Sloonei on average early, the town does not want to kill Sloonei on average early

idk what i even did to you, i am harmless

you’re scary

When I'm bad, I might leave him alive to toy with him.

[Dom]

guys lol i am literally a math teacher i get expected value.

[TonyStarkPrime]

guys lol i am literally a math teacher i get expected value.

Well we’re not math teachers so we are qualified to over explain this concept to you as far as I can tell.

[nutella]

why you voting timmer now, you just pointed out he and me could be team mates

lol yeah basically my reaction

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

(disclaimer: I am not caught up past that post, I've just had the most goddamn stressful evening ever and I won't be done freaking out until Sunday when moving is ideally all done but will try to keep up on the thread to the best of my ability)

[nutella]

I do not agree with Owner’s grievance against Tony, but I think she looks very town because of it.

My thoughts exactly

[nutella]

caught up for now. right now I heavily suspect Rej and about 50/50 on whether timmer is his teammate or a townie that he tried to buddy with that awkward post.

[Quin]

i mean, is that the only reason? I would like to hear more on why the vote...

I have no reason except what I posted. Do I need anything further to vote in the beginning of Day 1?

Why are you worried about my timmer vote? Your vote is there too.

He knows his suspicion is genuine. He can't say the same about yours. You should know that.

[Quin]

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

You're diminishing any value your vote has with crap like this. Do you actually believe in your vote at all? Or is it for shits and giggles?

[Oreki]

Wow. I am actually reading Nova town lol

Hi, Hope to have a nice game with you all

Why does this read exist and why is it a surprise? Does an answer to this question already exist? Should I finish reading before I make posts?

Not really, It just I town read him, I usually don't town read players this early and Nova post come out as if he's relaxed, hence only town can play being that relax even for DP0

[Dragomir]

Wow. I am actually reading Nova town lol

Hi, Hope to have a nice game with you all

Why does this read exist and why is it a surprise? Does an answer to this question already exist? Should I finish reading before I make posts?

Not really, It just I town read him, I usually don't town read players this early and Nova post come out as if he's relaxed, hence only town can play being that relax even for DP0

Nova is always relaxed.

[Oreki]

Wow. I am actually reading Nova town lol

Hi, Hope to have a nice game with you all

Why does this read exist and why is it a surprise? Does an answer to this question already exist? Should I finish reading before I make posts?

Not really, It just I town read him, I usually don't town read players this early and Nova post come out as if he's relaxed, hence only town can play being that relax even for DP0

Nova is always relaxed.

Well, you do know it's basically my first game with Nova along with that other game. And I find him kinda relax here... compare to that one or the one that I have read on OJ as his scum play.

[Oreki]

I am catching up to thread btw

[Quin]

Am I being asked for my thoughts, or is Epi being asked for his thoughts about me?

I have not given much thought to the Timmer/Rej relationship. It exists. I'm not usually in the habit of looking for potential partnerships on Day 1. I've never played with Rej before and timmer is a player who I usually am able to get a good grasp on in the middle stages of games.

I was asking for your thoughts but I mean more thoughts is always good (though Epi’s was just )

I was making fun of Sloonei because he said something similar earlier (not making fun of you).

I got it we’re good

At the other one- I will try to kill Sloonei early when I am scum because I am now permanently scared of him.

To further the point to Dom, if scum wants to kill Sloonei on average early, the town does not want to kill Sloonei on average early

idk what i even did to you, i am harmless

you’re scary

When I'm bad, I might leave him alive to toy with him.

If you're not taking town Sloonei to LYLO you're not playing scum correctly.

[Michelle]

I need some help with the forum use, of course i can play with it myself to figure it but on mobile is harder.

How can i refresh the page to see the posts?
How can i vote?
How can i see the posts made by a player?

I will maybe ask other silly things connected with the forum use

[Quin]

I need some help with the forum use, of course i can play with it myself to figure it but on mobile is harder.

How can i refresh the page to see the posts?
How can i vote?
How can i see the posts made by a player?

I will maybe ask other silly things connected with the forum use

1. I just have a refresh button on my phone. You probably do too?

2. There's a multiple choice poll at the top of each page - select one and submit. If you want to indicate it in text ie [VOTE: Quin] aubergine (pls no) then make your post using the full editor button instead of quick reply, and select the 'vote' button in that list of text options at the top. Type the name of your vote in between the tags that show up.

3. On the left side of each post where profiles are, press "Isolated Posts by...".

[Michelle]

I need some help with the forum use, of course i can play with it myself to figure it but on mobile is harder.

How can i refresh the page to see the posts?
How can i vote?
How can i see the posts made by a player?

I will maybe ask other silly things connected with the forum use

1. I just have a refresh button on my phone. You probably do too?

2. There's a multiple choice poll at the top of each page - select one and submit. If you want to indicate it in text ie [VOTE: Quin] aubergine (pls no) then make your post using the full editor button instead of quick reply, and select the 'vote' button in that list of text options at the top. Type the name of your vote in between the tags that show up.

3. On the left side of each post where profiles are, press "Isolated Posts by...".

Thanks ^^

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I don't find the refresh button but i discovered that the postnumber is a link so if i press it the page is reloaded and i think i have a mobile friendly view which doesn't show the left side of the posts but i will search this on PC later

[Michelle]

This looks boring.

Wanna play chess?

1. d4

2. d5

chess inside mafia? that's nice.
Long con wants to divert the attention elsewhere though..

I clicked on Michelle’s name because she’s one of a few who I have not played with before. This is her only on-topic post. It’s super cherrypicked and a little arbitrary.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

o/ i remember your name though but i don't recall if it was in a game or in other thread at MU being linked with Soneji's name because it's similar

[Michelle]

skimming and reading i like Nova's tone a lot

[Creature]

Anyone up to try big wagons?

Sloonei

Sure

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[Creature]

As I've said often, lynching Sloonei Day 1 is -EV.

We can test that anyway.

[Creature]

It doesn't need to be Tony if you can provide me an alternative person to put on check.

You're diminishing any value your vote has with crap like this. Do you actually believe in your vote at all? Or is it for shits and giggles?

Yes, I do believe my vote. Like, I wouldn't vote for someone I believe has a decent town equity. If I'm voting someone, it is because I can easily see that person being non-town.

Also, I don't votepark on a pet scumread. Usually that ends in a: what player ends looking the most annoying? rather than real non-town. We make wagons so we get to tell something about them and also prevent day stagnancy.

[sig]

Epi and Mac are still just messing around which is normal, but I'm expecting some weird ass shit from one of them soon.

Why just one?

Because the other is his scum buddy.

Someone else referring to your meta is not.

But, I don't think there's anyone called someone else playing this game.

get out.

I think both Drag abd Sloonie are mafia and this back and forth is a conspiracy. Feels very manufactured.

So I decided to read up on this Dragomir guy since I don't know him and I like his style. I notice that he tangled with Sig, so I'll comment on this... Sig has taken pains to come up swinging with the "I always look bad" thing, and he is absolutely correct in his self-read, even I remember this. But then Sig goes and says things that just... seem shady, like the above. I'd love to hear how this feels like a conspiracy, I don't see it at ALL. And furthur... even though he is correct in his meta read, I'd actually that he seems... bad, lol.

This isn;t shady at all it's an observation due to their interaction early game. I'll be highlighting what I saw earlier today.


[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] Do you have any recent scum games on TS I can take a look at?

[sig]

As I've said often, lynching Sloonei Day 1 is -EV.

I agree with this and he hasn't done anything that truly raises my suspicion.

Juliet is playing like she always does, I don't see fakeness in her welcome post, but she can still have been being honest about welcoming them and be mafia. Basically what I'm saying is that post doesn't mean much to me it's a null post that I'd just void.

[juliets]

Oh no, you know how I hate those. I can't tell squat from a first post.

This is maybe a more subtle version of explaining meta but if we’re judging the lot I think this is just as noteworthy.

Tony I don't understand what you mean by this.

I think it’s a very interesting point, but not one about you.

One of our first major topics of conversation was sig’s preemptive meta description. A few people (Dragomir is the one I distinctly remember) got in his face about it.

You did something in the same ballpark, but not exactly the same as what sig did. I would like to hear what those people who complained about sig have to say about you here.

Huh? I have a running complaint with nova that he likes to see first impression reads from people and I am not a believer that that tactic works for me. How is that similar to sig giving a meta read on himself?

Because you are telling us all about your meta.

I noted that. fyi.

juliets-- pick two people you think are teammates, pls. juliets

It's too early for me to pick teammates but if you're asking me GTH I think timmer and Rej. Epi's analysis of timmer's post times was helpful and I also wonder how timmer could have posted in Day 0 if he had not read anything posted in that day (he responded to Owner). Rej's "my civilian way" sounded off, why add that to a sentence? And then to top it off he voted for timmer because of his "read the 4 pages" answer which seemed like an overreaction or an excuse to put a vote on a teammate.

That's my feeling at the moment.

[juliets]

I am leaning town on nova. He is posting a lot early, offering opinions, getting people to talk, and doing his first impression reads which I consider as hallmarks of his civ game.

[Long Con]

Hello, just want you guys to know that I won't be around much this weekend. Food truck event all day Fri-Sat-Sun, I may pop in on my phone if it's not busy.

[Long Con]

So Long Con, haven’t seen you much yet this game. What are your thoughts thusfar?

Haven't read the last few pages yet. I saw Michelle tried to shade me for the chess, and Dom said he'd vote for me if it continued... those things are sketchy to me, chess isn't alignment-indicative. I don't really have a solid opinion on most people at this time.

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4

[sig]

Epi is being odd this game, he's usually done some oddball move or asked some weird question to gauge people, that hasn't happened and it's making me nervous. I can't recall last time I saw scum Epi, but from what I remember he didn't do that as a mafia member. Can anyone confirm this?