Girl Genius (END)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Guys the night end will have to delay until tomorrow. Sorry.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Day 5

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Captured

The empire had lost their best fighter, but they still had a lot of technology in their arsenal. Boris coordinated the troops and the resources, while Klaus watched from the command room.

Captain Vole entered it, while holding a skinny, bearded man by his neck.

- What is this, Captain? - The Baron asked.
- This man here knows everything about the city! He is the Head Minion. Even the castle's sparks defer to him. I think we can learn a lot from him.

Moloch, who had never done a brave thing in his life, realized this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. He bit Vole's hand, then ran into the Baron, grabbing a mini-death ray he had hidden in his vest.

But before he could get in range of the Baron, he was eletrucuted by a defense system in the middle of the room. Boris had just activated it with one of his four arms. The empire was prepared for everything.

Meanwhile, a hero appears again, having survived an impossible situation.

Moloch Von Zinzer (Long Con) was killed.
Othar Trygvassen - Gentleman Adventurer (Quin) is actually still alive.

Day 6 Begins!

[Jackofhearts2005]

I guess Tony and Quin get promoted to towncore in LC’s stead. I know Quin isn’t actually town but whatever.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Everyone who suspects me raise your hand lol.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Everyone who suspects me raise your hand lol.

this is a scum Jack sentence

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay Drago how did you feel about the Sabie lynch? Pro or anti?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Everyone who suspects me raise your hand lol.

this is a scum Jack sentence

I’m trying to back into something I’m not allowed to talk about.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Do you still think Timmer is bad?

Why do you think you’re still alive? Wifom?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I hate her sheeping a townie she’s watched derp all over the place when it comes to reading a player she knows just as well as me which resulted in a mislynch on Creature instead of a scumlynch on Sabie.

I’m still waiting for her to do something.

That said, I wanna resolve Timmer vs Epi pretty badly. It’s easy to argue Timmerwas trying to save Sabie D4. It’s easy to argue the same of Epi D5. I doubt Epi decides to buss Timmer and Sabie at the same damn time after doing so well so imo a scum lynch on either player clears the other.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The Creature and Sabie wagons being so similar is odd. Both contain Jack, Diz, Timmer, Juliets. We added LC to lynch Sabie and subtracted Michelle, who voted Timmer instead, under the guise of independent thought after I pushed her for her bad Creature vote.

I think that’s a bad look for Michelle and a good look for Timmer.

Let’s see what Michelle actually said about Creature, Sabie and Timmer.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Michelle consistently scumreads Timmer all game because Timmer pushed Rej and Michelle didn’t like that (will have to check if Michelle cared about the Rej push at the time or if it’s just vote justification after the fact.

Michelle says absolutely nothing about Sabie all game. That’s a very weird spot to be considering how big a suspect Sabie has been and that Michelle was on the counterwagon to Sabie twice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Michelle offers this lone post in defense of Rej D1. That’s it.

Spoiler: show

@Michelle tell us about yourself as a mafia player. Where do you come from, what’s your strategy? What are you looking for or looking at in this game right now? Does anyone or anything stand out?

I played one alias game with Michelle and I also believe she was in the Champs game with the representative from PerC, which I followed.

I would definitely recommend lynching Michelle at all costs.

ngl the "at all costs" is really ugly

i liked the post #470
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 10#p548810

Oh, and also didn't like Michelle's entry to the game that much.

again about me, sorry i didn't have time to make an entry to please you. That much doesn't mean at all yet you vote me after.

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

That first thing wasn't serious, if that wasn't obvious.

Also, hi Luna, hi! Nice to see you again. I'm totally town this time though. <3

For me was not obviously a not serious thing

posts 476 and 477 contains reads on many players, i like this.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 16#p548816

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Regarding this though =p

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

^

Spoiler: show

This was my first thought too; though I don’t think it’s accurate. My guess on generic = has similar reads to him.

I’ll answer one of the questions: rej flip is the obvious answer, but I think Drago or Epi is the more interesting bet.

Generic being same reads doesn't make sense to me.
But I do agree Drag probably would be the most exciting flip

noted this

[Timmer is scum]

Can someone tell me about Rej's meta? Cause this post is so weird.
Lots of people have expressed suspicion on Rej. Why would Timmer be the opportunistic one?

This is the second time when i like in a townish way your post because usually scum don't ask about meta to check a player. I've played around 3 games with Rej, 2 as town and 1 as scum. As scum he never defend himself like he did today here. I am not 100% sure but the suspicion on him came from miswording and he may be civ.

i don't feel to continue this, idk your meta but i am not scum reading now you because you made few villagery movements.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I realize I’m basically defending Timmer on the grounds of other people’s posts but whatever.

[Dom]

So... what's your actual thoughts on timmer bro?

[Dom]

Do you have any-- or just thoughts on Michelle?

Do you have any introspection?

[Dom]

sigh

[Dom]

[mention]juliets[/mention]
What gives with your sabie vote?

[juliets]

@juliets
What gives with your sabie vote?

What do you mean?

[Jackofhearts2005]

So... what's your actual thoughts on timmer bro?

Wagonomics say he’s a mislynch.

The “Sabie hasn’t had a chance to defend herself” is pretty bad.

Immediately bussing Sabie afterwards is ???

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]sprityo[/mention]

Were you gonna post something or just checking to make sure nobody is voting for you or what?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Creature, you sticking with that long con case? What's your play?

Nah, I could do sabie12

Could? With 20 minutes left in the day and sabie the only way to save yourself, you... could?

Timmer says nothing about Sabie other than cult musings until 20 min before eoD3.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think Timmer is town on his own merits. Now [mention]Timmer[/mention] don’t let me down.

If Timmer is bad, shooting LC and leaving Epi alive is dumb. LC townread Timmer. Epi is going to push there today.

[Dom]

you should try the wine in front of me,buddy

[Dom]

people who are sus af:

juliets
jack
timmer
dyslexicon

[juliets]

people who are sus af:

juliets
jack
timmer
dyslexicon

So Dom, could you explain what your suspicions are of me? And I looked at your iso but couldn't find why you were suspicious of timmer. I haven't looked for Jack and Dizzy yet but will do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

people who are sus af:

juliets
jack
timmer
dyslexicon

Lol maybe you’re the one.

[Jackofhearts2005]

people who are sus af:

juliets
jack
timmer
dyslexicon

ButwhyRyan.gif

I’ve kinda townread Juliets by default cause she’s never in the top 3 most suspicious people.

I’ve been over the other two and find them townie.

[juliets]

Well I can't wait any longer for Dom to specify what he is asking me. I have things that need to be done. I'll be back later though and read his ISO looking for the 4 names he mentioned above.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Here's some actual mechanical analysis: someone give me odds that the mafia knows who the serial killer is.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Put this another way: an efficient usage of the scum powerset is to block two people each night. That can narrow down the list pretty quickly. For the last two nights there have only been one kill. Blocks? Maybe. Doctors? Maybe. Same targets? Maybe. Immunities? Maybe but then there'd be some other clear information available. In any case I'd assume scum has some solid distinction of what people are and what people might be more dangerous to them.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Put this another way: an efficient usage of the scum powerset is to block two people each night. That can narrow down the list pretty quickly. For the last two nights there have only been one kill. Blocks? Maybe. Doctors? Maybe. Same targets? Maybe. Immunities? Maybe but then there'd be some other clear information available. In any case I'd assume scum has some solid distinction of what people are and what people might be more dangerous to them.

Where you going with this?

[Quin]

The next person to nightkill me is getting a curtain rod shoved up their ass.

[juliets]

Here are Dom's mentions of timmer. It is hard to quote these multi-quotes so I'm going to underline for clarity the responses that are Dom's in this first quote:

Spoiler: show

timmer's last post before this one quoted below was over three hours prior:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

That's 3:19pm EST.

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

That's 3:20pm EST.

Of all the things timmer could have commented on in that window, why that?

And then the punchline:

Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

This reeks of a teammate interaction to me.

"fellow civillian" really tips the hand tbh.

To comment on your post against me, Epig, you did see the part where I said I didn't read Day 0, right? And my post is the 2nd post of day 1, so... there was kind of literally exactly one post for me to comment on

Care to comment on literally anything else, or...?

And Epig, I'd like to hear a reply from you about my response to your "why did he comment on that?" case, please.

It's late and I'm having bourbon and watching Mike Trout.

Can you simplify your question please?

Me no read Day 0.
Day 1 start.
1 post made.
Me read that.
Me comment on that.

You.
Why he comment on that.

Now you go.
Where at now.

Oh. The timing thing. I find it mildly suspicious still, but it's circumstantial. The conversation it generate in the very least was worth something.

Is rej or timmer more likely bad?

This was after timmer said something slightly derogatory about his own play:

timmer, don't love you downplaying your prowess. That doesn't have big civ energy.

I think Dom asks this when he's suspicious of someone but it doesn't really tell us anything about why:

timmer, who's bad?

He says he's bad, but why?

timmer is probably bad guys

See's something good in timmer:

I took a breather from mafia
I'll try to actually play now.

I'm here, I'm just busy. But I'm following the conversations pretty well, I'm just not posting a ton as it would just be a string of I'm not sures. Tomorrow my kids head back to their mom and I'll settle in for a read.

Timmer seemed to actually do this.
Good

I think I found part of the "why":

Spoiler: show

I was gonna ask you the same thing. Do you want to try to lynch each other?

If not I’m voting for Timmer for now.

I think someone already asked you why, I just want to reinforce that. What are you seeing about timmer at this time?

Timmer has a post count in the 70s, but the only things I remember from that are a weird idea on Creature / Owner / Drago being w/w/w (which actually is pretty townie now that I think about it cause scum wouldn’t make claims like that if Creature was gonna flip town) and a fight with Rej day 1.

I said on day 3 that timmer is probably bad because i still don't know what he stands for and only seems to show up when we call his name.

Here his main suspects are Tony, timmer, and sabie. (Dom ended up voting sabie.)

Tony
Timmer
Sabie

who should I vote for today?

This may mean Dom holds this opinion but I'm not sure. Why ask Tony instead of just stating it?

TonyStarkPrime, can you confirm that the reason you want to lynch timmer is that he has a lot of posts but no content?

This seems to be another reason for suspecting timmer, that he cast some shade toward sig but didn't follow up.

Spoiler: show

I think both Drag abd Sloonie are mafia and this back and forth is a conspiracy. Feels very manufactured.

So I decided to read up on this Dragomir guy since I don't know him and I like his style. I notice that he tangled with Sig, so I'll comment on this... Sig has taken pains to come up swinging with the "I always look bad" thing, and he is absolutely correct in his self-read, even I remember this. But then Sig goes and says things that just... seem shady, like the above. I'd love to hear how this feels like a conspiracy, I don't see it at ALL. And furthur... even though he is correct in his meta read, I'd actually that he seems... bad, lol.

This is timmer only mention of our only confirmed baddie.
What do we think?
Slightly negative read with no action and never followed up before sig's death.

Disagrees with Jack over a timmer read.

Spoiler: show

My concern with sabie is if she is Baron. If she did have a night where she didn't submit a power, her vote total would have been lowered by 2, so anyone voting for her in yesterday's lynch could have been a baddie teammate, knowing that a tie wasn't really a tie. But potentially now she did use a power, etc. because there is suddenly an air of "don't lynch sabie" that was absent yesterday.

This is probably a townie Timmer post.

Disagree.


I'm out for tonight.
Lynch either timmer or sabie. I'm content with either.

My purpose was not to try to show that timmer is civ or scum but to try and identify why Don holds the opinion that he is bad. What I saw in Dom's ISO is that he doesn't know what timmer stands for and timmer only shows up when his name is called and that he had a slightly negative read on sig but didn't follow up on it. There is also Dom's mention that timmer was downplaying his skills. [mention]Dom[/mention] is there anything else about timmer that adds to your suspicion that I might have missed? Do you believe he has a lot of posts but no content like you asked Tony? Speaking of Tony, I noticed as I read through your ISO you have had a lot to say about him and he was one of your top suspicions but now he's not. What is the reason you have dropped him as a suspect?

There aren't a lot of reasons and the ones that are there are not big Imo but I can at least see what leads Dom to have a suspicion.

linki

[juliets]

That took forever. I will pick up again tomorrow.

[Dom]

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

[Dom]

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

[Dom]

whattup quin

[juliets]

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

Ok thanks for explaining. I will pull up some quotes tomorrow to show you what my thought process was.

[Epignosis]

Epi ain't finna do shit today. Epi on vacay #2.

[Epignosis]

If you think I called for sabie's head and then tried to save my unreplaceable teammate who isn't here, then

[Dom]

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention] whattup

[Epignosis]

Yes, I still suspect timmer, Jack. He saved her, made excuses for her, and when she was inevitably getting lynched, he tried to make evil lemonade out of the lemons.

I have to log in every time I want to make a new post using my phone. That's gonna be a no from me, dog.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

@Owner of a Lonely Heart whattup

Hi, what do we think of the other wagon?

[Dom]

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I'm definitely leaving my vote on sabie, but I'll say that epig's push towards me feels pretty bad.

We do NOT need to leave an inactive sable aside for today. Because she ISN'T inactive, in fact she is deliberately doing the bare minimum needed to survive in the game without having her powers modblocked.

I would NOT normally kill off longtime syndicate players, Epig should remember that I tend to want to lynch inactives and players I don't know, because I generally trust that I can get the long-timers whose games I know well lynched.

But the key here is that he keeps referring to sabie as inactive, when she very definitely is NOT, and he knows this and is ignoring it.

And at this point, with a sabie lynch looking like it would happen, to see this sudden idea of "no, we have to lynch other than sabie, uhm,... that guy" it tells me that a successful sabie lynch would tell us a LOT about who the bad guys are in this game.

Now, I'm at work today and will try to post, but then I have a ladyfriend staying over for the weekend, so i'll be a bit absent.

I think I'm okay with Timmer.

I'm not sure if I like the WIFOM of "would NOT normally kill off longtime syndicate players".

But I don't think scum would want to bus if they didn't have to.

I don't want Timmer lynched at this moment.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

What's wrong with the michelle votes? Or right now I think it is only one vote.

[Dom]

Everyone who suspects me raise your hand lol.

this is a scum Jack sentence

why aren't you voting for him?

Okay Drago how did you feel about the Sabie lynch? Pro or anti?

This was [mention]Dragomir[/mention]'s last post.
Weird you think he'd respond to this... unless...

[Dom]

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

What's wrong with the michelle votes? Or right now I think it is only one vote.

What's right about a michelle vote?

[Jackofhearts2005]

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

A townie does this because they suspected both players.

A wolf does this because...?

(Yes, I know wolves do things just to do things but I want to know why this is suspicious to you.)