Girl Genius (END)

[Dom]

If you are interested in playing this game and not spewing nonsense about how i'm supposed to read your mind-- then generate some discussion.

Do you think Timmer could be the sker? And if so, what does that mean for Epi and Michelle?

I think it is possible.
You're awfully focussed on it.

I find timmer to be bad period.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If you are interested in playing this game and not spewing nonsense about how i'm supposed to read your mind-- then generate some discussion.

Do you think Timmer could be the sker? And if so, what does that mean for Epi and Michelle?

I think it is possible.
You're awfully focussed on it.

I find timmer to be bad period.

I mean, it would make sense why Timmer seems bad and also has players that seem bad so focused on him.

[Dom]

Which players "seem bad" that are "so focussed on him" that we haven't even lynched him yet.

[Dom]

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] what's going on?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Which players "seem bad" that are "so focussed on him" that we haven't even lynched him yet.

You know, I bet you don’t need me to tell you which players I’m talking about or yesterday’s vote count.

Stop fighting with me just to fight with me.

[Michelle]

Also my deep rooted assumption is that Jack never reminds me of the time he tricked me as SK if he is the SK.

A player can learn from such experience and play different isn't it? How tricked you SK Jack?

[Michelle]

@sprityo

Were you gonna post something or just checking to make sure nobody is voting for you or what?

Something

You came in the slot of Oreki before he could say anything AI related. This is bad because i usually read him well.
"Something" is not good enough.

[Michelle]

Okay great. Help me find a wolf if you ain’t one.

Who should we lynch?

Timmer - he didn't show up yet after saying he's busy. You find him villager? I find him laying low and avoiding confrontations. In all game he didn't question my vote on him. At least i didn't find it. How is this villagery?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Okay great. Help me find a wolf if you ain’t one.

Who should we lynch?

Timmer - he didn't show up yet after saying he's busy. You find him villager? I find him laying low and avoiding confrontations. In all game he didn't question my vote on him. At least i didn't find it. How is this villagery?

Is it just me or did you sort of start posting more now that there are 3 votes on you?

From an outside perspective, one could assume that teammate told you that your life was on the line and told you to post more.

One could assume that you were busy elsewhere, but even then, we are to read what you have set before us.

Do you generally question all the people who vote for you?

Tony didn't question my vote him. Should I still be suspicious of this fact? He's active but aware...

[Jackofhearts2005]

Everyone in my poe fight each other.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also my deep rooted assumption is that Jack never reminds me of the time he tricked me as SK if he is the SK.

A player can learn from such experience and play different isn't it? How tricked you SK Jack?

I have a handful of SK wins that are basically all a result of me creatively using whatever stupid power come with the role.

I once got to force a player to be my bg and got btsc with them but every time my bg got killed, I got a bunch of extra votes. So I convinced my bg I had recruited him into a cult and he voted where I wanted.

Another time, I got to hand out pet rocks and when I gave enough of them out, I made them explode and kill all the remaining townies except one who was like “Never trust Jack. Yeeeeet!” and so I got a tie.

I don’t remember ever succeeding as a pretty vanilla SK and haven’t randed SK in about a year. Got nked like N2 or 3 iirc.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay great. Help me find a wolf if you ain’t one.

Who should we lynch?

Timmer - he didn't show up yet after saying he's busy. You find him villager? I find him laying low and avoiding confrontations. In all game he didn't question my vote on him. At least i didn't find it. How is this villagery?

Is it just me or did you sort of start posting more now that there are 3 votes on you?

From an outside perspective, one could assume that teammate told you that your life was on the line and told you to post more.

One could assume that you were busy elsewhere, but even then, we are to read what you have set before us.

Do you generally question all the people who vote for you?

Tony didn't question my vote him. Should I still be suspicious of this fact? He's active but aware...

Tbf, this isn’t fair.

Michelle defends self, therefore bad and should be lynched.

Michelle does not defend self, therefore lynched.

[Michelle]

Okay great. Help me find a wolf if you ain’t one.

Who should we lynch?

Timmer - he didn't show up yet after saying he's busy. You find him villager? I find him laying low and avoiding confrontations. In all game he didn't question my vote on him. At least i didn't find it. How is this villagery?

Is it just me or did you sort of start posting more now that there are 3 votes on you?

From an outside perspective, one could assume that teammate told you that your life was on the line and told you to post more.

One could assume that you were busy elsewhere, but even then, we are to read what you have set before us.

Do you generally question all the people who vote for you?

Tony didn't question my vote him. Should I still be suspicious of this fact? He's active but aware...

You are not wrong at all. I posted more today.
At the start of this game i played 5 games and hosting 1. Now i am playing just one more except this and the game i was hosting finished. So i have free time. Also i became used to this forum who is different than the vbulletin (MU) or xenforo (AB) and who is closing my session and is painful to use on mobile at first glance.

Why wouldn't I defend myself? And not always but sometimes i ask.

I consider that if my vote on timmer would be unfair from his pov he should say so.

I can't talk for other players though.

[Michelle]

Can someone tell me please when is Eod?

[timmer]

I'm sorry everyone, after posting about my big drive,
I got a text from a different person and ended up being up with her until sunrise ans only now am I home ans im exhausted.

I just did a very quick skim and michelle, I never mentioned your thoughts on me much because there isn't a lot to say, you seem mostly sick on stuff from like day 1 and I'm past all that, but I don't freak if people are voting me, is just a game.

For now, I'm leaving a vote on sprotyo for basically trolling which doesn't feel toen

[Jackofhearts2005]

Not super inspiring tbh.

[juliets]

[mention]Dom[/mention], I apologize for the length of this but I wanted to make sure I explained my thought process for the Creature and sabie votes. Please let me know if you (or anyone) has any questions. Meanwhile, I'm going to catch up on the posts for today.

This was my early thought on Creature:

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Pretty good Owner. I think I've spotted a civ among the talkers but I'll hold off naming them until day 1 after I observe some more behavior. How bout you?

Can you tell us now?

I lean civ on Creature right now but I'm gonna hold back my reason until I see some more behavior.

Wait, what - you voted for me while I was answering your question?

linki

I suppose I did.

Got any other reads? Why are you in the habit of holding back information in the early stages of this game?

Habit? We're talking about one person, hardly a habit.

I have a civ lean on Creature because his groaning about being bored and multiple posts also happened in another game where he was civ. He also did the multiple posting early on in a game where he was bad but there was a difference that if you don't mind I'd like to keep to myself for the time being.

This is what I held back, which I did so that Creature would not know I would suspect him if his pace slacked off after a few days - which it did. I also knew from Arroverse that Creature hated being bad and did not want to participate in deciding who to kill (I was his mafia partner) which helped explain the slack off in that game. So all of that was in my head when I replied to him here.

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Wished I could just get out of this game.

Creature, earlier in this game I saw you as town but as I stated in the thread at the time, there was more information that I didn't want to reveal. What I was talking about was your behavior as scum down the road in Arrowverse, specifically you started out fine with all those one line posts you do but then by Day 3 you had petered out and then ultimately got replaced. Your behavior in this game now reminds me of that one. You didn't post at all Day 3 that I saw and I didn't see any reason you weren't here. Now you are moaning that you don't want to be here. Why should I still believe you are town? Isn't your behavior here like it was in Arrowverse?

These were his two answers:

Wished I could just get out of this game.

Creature, earlier in this game I saw you as town but as I stated in the thread at the time, there was more information that I didn't want to reveal. What I was talking about was your behavior as scum down the road in Arrowverse, specifically you started out fine with all those one line posts you do but then by Day 3 you had petered out and then ultimately got replaced. Your behavior in this game now reminds me of that one. You didn't post at all Day 3 that I saw and I didn't see any reason you weren't here. Now you are moaning that you don't want to be here. Why should I still believe you are town? Isn't your behavior here like it was in Arrowverse?

I think it's NAI.

Sorry I feel like I lost interess here.

Jack asked him "you think?" after his NAI answer and he replied:

I could be wrong and actually fizzle out more likely as one alignment, but in this case I know I'm more inactive for NAI reasons.

These answers did nothing to convince me he was not mafia. Meanwhile, Creature had voted Long Con it seemed to me for LC's RIP post which I thought was ridiculous.

So before I went to bed:

It is time for me to go to bed but I'm going to vote for Creature before I go. Creature, you may have no interest in this game at all (and I'm sad if that is true) but I have to go by what I see and what I see looks like your scum meta. If you're not bad I hope you'll get with it and show us.

On the second calendar day of Day 4 I saw Epi and Tony had voted sabie which prompted Epi's response to me and my response to him and call out to sabie:

Spoiler: show

I look at whom the mafia have killed and I have to ask who would be afraid of that crew. I think sabie fits the mold. Nobody is talking about her, and hell, I didn't even realize she was in this until she said something. So thanks sabie!

Ok I understand now, thanks. I took a look at her ISO and it seems odd she didn't post more between the time she came back from vacation where she talks about not having internet (Aug 2) and yesterday.

sabie12 what do you think about Epi's vote reason? Also, can you address why on Aug. 2 you seemed to be on your way home to get online but then we didn't hear from you for 3 days?

The fact that she was on her way home and would be able to post and then we didn't hear from her for two more days raised my suspicion level. She never did answer me.

Later in the day LC made a post quoting Dizzy about a sabie post that made me think sabie might have slipped and revealed TMI.

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Sabie has 6 posts in the entire game.

I apologize I dont have much service where I am on vacation.

The case on Lunalee makes sense and I could also see nutella being bad. They both are notoriously difficult to read at times. Lunas response to the suspicion on her was that she is busy and had a lot going on and messed up which is perhaps possible. Nutella response is to get really defensive.

In looking at Luna she originally seemed to be defending rej but then last second votes him openly admitting she just randomly voted because she thought he maybe had one sketchy post which she sort of wasn't really suspicious of initially. Ehhhh It's not a good look even if she is busy.

Nutella has been wrong on a lot of her reads so far but it is in her nature to kinda move around with the flow of the thread. I'm not sold on her being town as of yet but I feel the Luna case is more compelling.


[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

This post is pretty much the only one with content. Pink is kind of sketchy though, cause this was D2 and I think only me and Rej had flipped at that point. So "a lot of her reads" seems like saying more reads, but only two had flipped.

That is a delicious find, I think sabie might have given away too much by saying that. She's bad, and she knows exactly how many reads nutella has been wrong about, with or without flips. Furthermore, when we lynch sabie and she's bad, it might even give us more insight through re-reading nutella's early reads. Maybe Civ points to those she suspected? That could be going too far though; sabie is capable of misdirecting us to believe nutella had wrong reads, when they were right. I'm using way too many napklns

Somehow I missed the implication in Dizzy's post until LC pointed it out here. It does sound like a slip. I need to find that post of nutella's about all the reads she had to make sure of the timing, i.e., had she had a number of reads by the time sable said this.

Right now I'm sticking with Creature but if this thing with what sable says pans out I wouldn't mind seeing her lynched if thats the way it comes out.

So I looked back at nutella's posts and found:

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So nutella summarized all her reads on Day, July 27th and 12:10 pm and she had 8 or 9 reads at that time. She may have had more after that but it at least shows she had a number of reads on different people who had not flipped by the time sabie made her statement. So, Imo, that does not look good for sabie.

Creature still looks bad to me though. More than one of us has noticed his behavior as scum over several games and it matches his behavior in this game.

Which looks worse though? If anyone has thoughts on that who hasn't commented please speak up.

@Michelle I may have missed it but why sheep Jack? What appeals to you about the Creature case? What do you think about sabie?

So then I changed my vote:

Ok, I'm changing my vote to sabie. That quote against nutella's read summary really didn't look good. Creature I'm voting based on his meta and I've decided that isn't as strong as the sable case.

linki, Oh sorry Dizzy I should have brought that quote forward.

(Dizzy had quoted the nutella post I was talking about.)


And then I second guessed myself:

Spoiler: show

Juliets suddenly moving off of creature is... not a good look for my read on her.

timmer, that sable slip looks really bad. I can't worry about what you might think of me.

Is it a slip though? I didn't realize 3 players had already flipped when I pointed in out, and looking at Nutella's reads she actually did have bad reads on all three of them. And sometimes town says weird shit.

It seemed like a slip but you don't think it is? Have I looked at this wrong?

timmer made this post which at the time I thought was a good point though it wasn't. If he had said "And sabie hasn't even been around to defend herself..." it might have been a better point. Keep in mind we were at the 11th hour, 58th (or so) minute and I was trying to evaluate on the fly.

And sabie hasn't even been given a chance to defend herself... Creature is here and is being aloof and not bothering much, which is worse, to me.

And then I thought my evaluation of sabie had been too hasty and I changed my vote back to Creature:

I thought I found something important with that nutella quote but maybe I was too hasty. I hate that this is happening at EOD.

linki, ok timmer you're right about being able to defend. Lets Lynch Creature.

In the calmness of the night phase after we lynched Creature I re-read sabie and everything that I had done at EOD and concluded that my vote should have stayed on sabie, though it was too late of course. In my hurried thinking at EOD I also forgot to fold in that sabie had contributed nothing to the game. So, to start the next day phase (Day 5) I put my vote on sabie to indicate how strongly I felt about my suspicion she was bad.

linki

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay great. Help me find a wolf if you ain’t one.

Who should we lynch?

Timmer - he didn't show up yet after saying he's busy. You find him villager? I find him laying low and avoiding confrontations. In all game he didn't question my vote on him. At least i didn't find it. How is this villagery?

Is it just me or did you sort of start posting more now that there are 3 votes on you?

From an outside perspective, one could assume that teammate told you that your life was on the line and told you to post more.

One could assume that you were busy elsewhere, but even then, we are to read what you have set before us.

Do you generally question all the people who vote for you?

Tony didn't question my vote him. Should I still be suspicious of this fact? He's active but aware...

I don’t know you can be suspicious if you want I guess.

[juliets]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] is your vote for Drago due to him having disappeared or do you have other issues with him? I don't know what to make of him, or sprityo either.

I'm going to take a break after that long post and then look at Michelle.

[Michelle]

I'm sorry everyone, after posting about my big drive,
I got a text from a different person and ended up being up with her until sunrise ans only now am I home ans im exhausted.

I just did a very quick skim and michelle, I never mentioned your thoughts on me much because there isn't a lot to say, you seem mostly sick on stuff from like day 1 and I'm past all that, but I don't freak if people are voting me, is just a game.

For now, I'm leaving a vote on sprotyo for basically trolling which doesn't feel toen

I understand you are chill and all but from my experience in mafia the day's 1 interactions are the best scumhunt tools during the game. You don't help me to understand if i am possibly wrong about you with just 'it's a game".
My vote stays on you for now and i am voting now because is almost midnight at me.

[Dyslexicon]

This is the part of the game where I see town Tony. He’s not manipulating. He’s evaluating. His positions make sense, right or wrong. There’s no agenda. Wolf Tony’s biggest weakness is he can let agenda leak in.

To be clear, I don’t think Timmer and Epi/Michelle must be opposite alignments. I think they aren’t wolves together. Epi doesn’t try to kill Sabie and then when people want to do so, he switches to Timmer who is actually somewhat active. Subbing in and bussing 2 teammates this late in the game is awful wolf strategy imo. Michelle used real iffy reasoning to vote off the Sabie wagon twice. Once, it netted a mislynch in Creature. Once, it almost netted a Timmer lynch. If you’re wolf Michelle, why not bus Sabie. There’s an obvious block of Creature voters to blend in with. Timmer is more active than Sabie. If I’m Michelle and Timmer is scum, I’m voting Sabie every time.

So really at least one of Timmer and Epi and one of Timmer and Michelle should be town.

Do I think Epi and Michelle are both town? No. So I think Timmer is town.

Ok, I can follow this pretty well. I saw it all as a cluster, but them being scum together was more of a "what if" kind of thing.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime is your vote for Drago due to him having disappeared or do you have other issues with him? I don't know what to make of him, or sprityo either.

I'm going to take a break after that long post and then look at Michelle.

I’ll reread him but I mean chances are I wouldn’t be voting for him if he had showed up recently. I can’t sort him out either but his value to town is very low right now. I don’t want to treat it as a placeholder lynch but it’d be nice if he’d show up.

[Dyslexicon]

"I had no reason to suddenly vote sabie so let me spew bullshit for several sentences"

What's with the attitude? You made it out to be something it's not, so I'm correcting you. You can call it bullshit all you want, but that's just empty words.

No I don't. I also didn't say she was civvie.
You're being manipulative. And you're not doing it well.

I assumed you thought she'd be town if you thought the votes were bad. This is just pedantic. Or please explain your thought process otherwise. Also, have you played with her before?

I remember most other people's reads/opinions.
Why not yours?

How am I supposed to answer this? I feel I get ignored a lot of the time tbh. Maybe it's the way I write, but it's also just not on me, it's on you as well. I've been called "generic" before. I feel like I'm pretty involved. If you don't get that from my posts I can't help you. I'm not going to chance my playstyle to fit the yes/no players.

Dyslexicon-- why does Jack not owe an explanation for why he thinks timmer is civvie but I owe an explanation for my non-read on Michelle?

He actually just gave an explanation. Also didn't catch that he read Timmer as town really. Also also don't understand this question.

[Dyslexicon]

Yes I was low poster. this is my meta lately.

Actually can you provide a link to your latest town and scum game please?

[Dyslexicon]

Lol what if Timmer is the sker?

Suspicious players hate him!

Don't hate this theory. If mafia knows who the SK is they'd probably want the SK lynched. I've seen this happen before in games. Actually happened in my very first mafia game where I was mafia and pushed for an SK lynch lol. It's assuming that mafia does know though, which is unsure. I think I prefer to just lynch the most suspicious player period.

[Dyslexicon]

Oh fuck let's go back to the Nutella list

[Dyslexicon]

Now me: 14 posts, a handful of which are either jokes or mentioning I'm busy.
1. "Drago, sig, sloonei all town. Dyslexicon and creature bad. Quin who knows." That's five and a half actual reads on player alignments right off the bat. In a single post I have reached read parity with Dom.
2. Called out nova for being spicy. Tbf still not sure how I feel about him so maybe that's another half read.
3. Hated rej's content and voted for him. Wasn't sure about timmer's position in the situation.
4. Think Owner is town.
5. Said dizzy could be 3p.

If Sabie did TMI about Nut's reads, here are the reads. 4-5 of these are confirmed wrong though. Don't really want to read into it tbh

[Dyslexicon]

I’ll reread him but I mean chances are I wouldn’t be voting for him if he had showed up recently. I can’t sort him out either but his value to town is very low right now. I don’t want to treat it as a placeholder lynch but it’d be nice if he’d show up.

I might be dumb, but I really don't understand what you're saying with this post.

[Epignosis]

I'm joining on Michelle. I think maybe scum team is largely inactive and I can see Michelle's voting as trying to carry numbers over for scum. Also just haven't recognized town in Michelle.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I'm more busy in general this week, but I'll probably be around tonight. FYI

I have a problem with the reasoning behind this vote.

Michelle is bad, according to you.

Fine.

The mafia team is largely inactive.

sign died early.
sabie maybe did nothing.
Who is killing active Syndicate regulars?
Who killed Long Con?

I think you did.

[Epignosis]

I'm sorry everyone, after posting about my big drive,
I got a text from a different person and ended up being up with her until sunrise ans only now am I home ans im exhausted.

I just did a very quick skim and michelle, I never mentioned your thoughts on me much because there isn't a lot to say, you seem mostly sick on stuff from like day 1 and I'm past all that, but I don't freak if people are voting me, is just a game.

For now, I'm leaving a vote on sprotyo for basically trolling which doesn't feel toen

You're bad and not even trying.

[juliets]

To be clear, I don’t think Timmer and Epi/Michelle must be opposite alignments. I think they aren’t wolves together. Epi doesn’t try to kill Sabie and then when people want to do so, he switches to Timmer who is actually somewhat active. Subbing in and bussing 2 teammates this late in the game is awful wolf strategy imo. Michelle used real iffy reasoning to vote off the Sabie wagon twice. Once, it netted a mislynch in Creature. Once, it almost netted a Timmer lynch. If you’re wolf Michelle, why not bus Sabie. There’s an obvious block of Creature voters to blend in with. Timmer is more active than Sabie. If I’m Michelle and Timmer is scum, I’m voting Sabie every time.

So really at least one of Timmer and Epi and one of Timmer and Michelle should be town.

Do I think Epi and Michelle are both town? No. So I think Timmer is town.

Jack, regarding the sentence I underlined, I know you are talking about the one instance where Michelle sheeped you as being iffy reasoning but I can't find iffy reasoning for the next time she voted off of sabie. I only see where she reiterated that she thought timmer was bad. Could you tell me what iffy reasoning you saw for that sabie vote? I may have just missed it.

[Dom]

Which players "seem bad" that are "so focussed on him" that we haven't even lynched him yet.

You know, I bet you don’t need me to tell you which players I’m talking about or yesterday’s vote count.

Stop fighting with me just to fight with me.

Stop suspecting people just to suspect them.

If suspicious people have known he's bad for several nights and have been blocking him accordingly and have been trying to lynch him, then why did he JUST start taking votes?
OR is he your teammate?

I'm sorry everyone, after posting about my big drive,
I got a text from a different person and ended up being up with her until sunrise ans only now am I home ans im exhausted.

I just did a very quick skim and michelle, I never mentioned your thoughts on me much because there isn't a lot to say, you seem mostly sick on stuff from like day 1 and I'm past all that, but I don't freak if people are voting me, is just a game.

For now, I'm leaving a vote on sprotyo for basically trolling which doesn't feel toen

lol dude you could pretend.
This isn't my bro in A World Apart. This is lazy.

I'm joining on Michelle. I think maybe scum team is largely inactive and I can see Michelle's voting as trying to carry numbers over for scum. Also just haven't recognized town in Michelle.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I'm more busy in general this week, but I'll probably be around tonight. FYI

I have a problem with the reasoning behind this vote.

Michelle is bad, according to you.

Fine.

The mafia team is largely inactive.

sign died early.
sabie maybe did nothing.
Who is killing active Syndicate regulars?
Who killed Long Con?

I think you did.

[citation needed]



[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] --

Listen-- you've yet to really say why you voted for sabie. It's almost like you needed to vote for her, but didn't have a reason.

[mention]juliets[/mention] --
Thank you. Will think that over.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm joining on Michelle. I think maybe scum team is largely inactive and I can see Michelle's voting as trying to carry numbers over for scum. Also just haven't recognized town in Michelle.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I'm more busy in general this week, but I'll probably be around tonight. FYI

I have a problem with the reasoning behind this vote.

Michelle is bad, according to you.

Fine.

The mafia team is largely inactive.

sign died early.
sabie maybe did nothing.
Who is killing active Syndicate regulars?
Who killed Long Con?

I think you did.

I mean....

[Jackofhearts2005]

To be clear, I don’t think Timmer and Epi/Michelle must be opposite alignments. I think they aren’t wolves together. Epi doesn’t try to kill Sabie and then when people want to do so, he switches to Timmer who is actually somewhat active. Subbing in and bussing 2 teammates this late in the game is awful wolf strategy imo. Michelle used real iffy reasoning to vote off the Sabie wagon twice. Once, it netted a mislynch in Creature. Once, it almost netted a Timmer lynch. If you’re wolf Michelle, why not bus Sabie. There’s an obvious block of Creature voters to blend in with. Timmer is more active than Sabie. If I’m Michelle and Timmer is scum, I’m voting Sabie every time.

So really at least one of Timmer and Epi and one of Timmer and Michelle should be town.

Do I think Epi and Michelle are both town? No. So I think Timmer is town.

Jack, regarding the sentence I underlined, I know you are talking about the one instance where Michelle sheeped you as being iffy reasoning but I can't find iffy reasoning for the next time she voted off of sabie. I only see where she reiterated that she thought timmer was bad. Could you tell me what iffy reasoning you saw for that sabie vote? I may have just missed it.

I mean, I have her a hard time for sheeping me and so she was like “fine. I will not sheep you as you vote Sabie. Instead, I will vote off a D1 scumread onTimmer that has not really advanced in four days.

[juliets]

To be clear, I don’t think Timmer and Epi/Michelle must be opposite alignments. I think they aren’t wolves together. Epi doesn’t try to kill Sabie and then when people want to do so, he switches to Timmer who is actually somewhat active. Subbing in and bussing 2 teammates this late in the game is awful wolf strategy imo. Michelle used real iffy reasoning to vote off the Sabie wagon twice. Once, it netted a mislynch in Creature. Once, it almost netted a Timmer lynch. If you’re wolf Michelle, why not bus Sabie. There’s an obvious block of Creature voters to blend in with. Timmer is more active than Sabie. If I’m Michelle and Timmer is scum, I’m voting Sabie every time.

So really at least one of Timmer and Epi and one of Timmer and Michelle should be town.

Do I think Epi and Michelle are both town? No. So I think Timmer is town.

Jack, regarding the sentence I underlined, I know you are talking about the one instance where Michelle sheeped you as being iffy reasoning but I can't find iffy reasoning for the next time she voted off of sabie. I only see where she reiterated that she thought timmer was bad. Could you tell me what iffy reasoning you saw for that sabie vote? I may have just missed it.

I mean, I have her a hard time for sheeping me and so she was like “fine. I will not sheep you as you vote Sabie. Instead, I will vote off a D1 scumread onTimmer that has not really advanced in four days.

Ohhh ok I get that. I'll look at her timmer reads/votes again with that in mind, thanks.

[timmer]

I'm sorry everyone, after posting about my big drive,
I got a text from a different person and ended up being up with her until sunrise ans only now am I home ans im exhausted.

I just did a very quick skim and michelle, I never mentioned your thoughts on me much because there isn't a lot to say, you seem mostly sick on stuff from like day 1 and I'm past all that, but I don't freak if people are voting me, is just a game.

For now, I'm leaving a vote on sprotyo for basically trolling which doesn't feel toen

I understand you are chill and all but from my experience in mafia the day's 1 interactions are the best scumhunt tools during the game. You don't help me to understand if i am possibly wrong about you with just 'it's a game".
My vote stays on you for now and i am voting now because is almost midnight at me.

I'm at a McDonald's in the states now, I'm trying to follow... michelle, there is literally nothing for me to say to help you understand that you are wrong. You are fixated on a day 1 argument I had with rej that he started. Like... you are wrong. What should I say, exactly?

As for my jack, dude I'm not sure what you want me to say. I'm busy as fuck. I'm trying to keep up. I'm not bad. You know it, your quiet logic is correct.

I'm not sure if epig2 is bad, or Dom , but both have stuck more severely to their thoughts about me than I feel I'd normal from them so I'm torn, there. Michelle seems to not want to try to see day 1 from s different view but I don't know her so im not sure how to read that. Sprotyo is trolling. If you want an interesting place to look, my gut still rings bad about juliets. I'd support votes in her direction based on my gut read and thur nuance of her stances in this game which I had previously covered.

[timmer]

Looking at the poll I realize that I have absolutely zero thoughts about quin or Tony or Bennett

[timmer]

Somehow my phone turned owner to Bennett

[timmer]

I'm off again too the road, I'll check in when I can

[Jackofhearts2005]

Looking at the poll I realize that I have absolutely zero thoughts about quin or Tony or Bennett

Quin has already flipped?

[juliets]

I'm sorry everyone, after posting about my big drive,
I got a text from a different person and ended up being up with her until sunrise ans only now am I home ans im exhausted.

I just did a very quick skim and michelle, I never mentioned your thoughts on me much because there isn't a lot to say, you seem mostly sick on stuff from like day 1 and I'm past all that, but I don't freak if people are voting me, is just a game.

For now, I'm leaving a vote on sprotyo for basically trolling which doesn't feel toen

I understand you are chill and all but from my experience in mafia the day's 1 interactions are the best scumhunt tools during the game. You don't help me to understand if i am possibly wrong about you with just 'it's a game".
My vote stays on you for now and i am voting now because is almost midnight at me.

I'm at a McDonald's in the states now, I'm trying to follow... michelle, there is literally nothing for me to say to help you understand that you are wrong. You are fixated on a day 1 argument I had with rej that he started. Like... you are wrong. What should I say, exactly?

As for my jack, dude I'm not sure what you want me to say. I'm busy as fuck. I'm trying to keep up. I'm not bad. You know it, your quiet logic is correct.

I'm not sure if epig2 is bad, or Dom , but both have stuck more severely to their thoughts about me than I feel I'd normal from them so I'm torn, there. Michelle seems to not want to try to see day 1 from s different view but I don't know her so im not sure how to read that. Sprotyo is trolling. If you want an interesting place to look, my gut still rings bad about juliets. I'd support votes in her direction based on my gut read and thur nuance of her stances in this game which I had previously covered.

So first you built up a case about how Luna and me were linked because you thought Luna was on a baddie team. When that turned out to be wrong you made a post about me not taking stances and how I was afk a lot and thus must be in a baddie chatroom. Truth is you had less posts than me at the time you said that so maybe it was you who was hanging out in a baddie chatroom. Not to mention there were others who had missed entire days. You may have a gut feel about me but that's what it is - gut.

Also, I don't believe either Epi2 or Dom is mafia so their sticking strongly to their thoughts about you does not seem to be coming from a bad place.

[juliets]

Looking at the poll I realize that I have absolutely zero thoughts about quin or Tony or Bennett

Quin has already flipped?

This was in the last night post -

"Othar Trygvassen - Gentleman Adventurer (Quin) is actually still alive."

[Jackofhearts2005]

Looking at the poll I realize that I have absolutely zero thoughts about quin or Tony or Bennett

Quin has already flipped?

This was in the last night post -

"Othar Trygvassen - Gentleman Adventurer (Quin) is actually still alive."

I mean how can one have no thoughts on him?

He’s not up for lynch ofc.

[Dom]

I'm sorry everyone, after posting about my big drive,
I got a text from a different person and ended up being up with her until sunrise ans only now am I home ans im exhausted.

I just did a very quick skim and michelle, I never mentioned your thoughts on me much because there isn't a lot to say, you seem mostly sick on stuff from like day 1 and I'm past all that, but I don't freak if people are voting me, is just a game.

For now, I'm leaving a vote on sprotyo for basically trolling which doesn't feel toen

I understand you are chill and all but from my experience in mafia the day's 1 interactions are the best scumhunt tools during the game. You don't help me to understand if i am possibly wrong about you with just 'it's a game".
My vote stays on you for now and i am voting now because is almost midnight at me.

I'm at a McDonald's in the states now, I'm trying to follow... michelle, there is literally nothing for me to say to help you understand that you are wrong. You are fixated on a day 1 argument I had with rej that he started. Like... you are wrong. What should I say, exactly?

As for my jack, dude I'm not sure what you want me to say. I'm busy as fuck. I'm trying to keep up. I'm not bad. You know it, your quiet logic is correct.

I'm not sure if epig2 is bad, or Dom , but both have stuck more severely to their thoughts about me than I feel I'd normal from them so I'm torn, there. Michelle seems to not want to try to see day 1 from s different view but I don't know her so im not sure how to read that. Sprotyo is trolling. If you want an interesting place to look, my gut still rings bad about juliets. I'd support votes in her direction based on my gut read and thur nuance of her stances in this game which I had previously covered.

Explain or die.

[Dom]

I'm joining on Michelle. I think maybe scum team is largely inactive and I can see Michelle's voting as trying to carry numbers over for scum. Also just haven't recognized town in Michelle.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I'm more busy in general this week, but I'll probably be around tonight. FYI

I have a problem with the reasoning behind this vote.

Michelle is bad, according to you.

Fine.

The mafia team is largely inactive.

sign died early.
sabie maybe did nothing.
Who is killing active Syndicate regulars?
Who killed Long Con?

I think you did.

I mean....

You mean what?

[Dom]

Looking at the poll I realize that I have absolutely zero thoughts about quin or Tony or Bennett

Quin has already flipped?

lol you're so bad

[juliets]

Looking at the poll I realize that I have absolutely zero thoughts about quin or Tony or Bennett

Quin has already flipped?

This was in the last night post -

"Othar Trygvassen - Gentleman Adventurer (Quin) is actually still alive."

I mean how can one have no thoughts on him?

He’s not up for lynch ofc.

Oh sorry I thought you had missed he was back. Your point is well taken.

[Quin]

Looking at the poll I realize that I have absolutely zero thoughts about quin or Tony or Bennett

Quin has already flipped?

dab

[juliets]

I keep coming back to this point about Michelle:

Michelle says absolutely nothing about Sabie all game. That’s a very weird spot to be considering how big a suspect Sabie has been and that Michelle was on the counterwagon to Sabie twice.

I agree with Jack, it is weird considering she was on two counter wagons.

Also Owner pointed out that until this last day period Michelle "didn't have enough umph". She also pointed out Michelle's vote record which is not great Timmer, Luna, Creature, Timmer with no vote on Day 1. (Owner thought the lack of a day 1 vote was suspicious though I've seen that before from civs).

I can see what Owner is saying about the umph and the votes, though I kind of feel bad for Michelle if she was in 5 games and was hosting 1 and that could be responsible for the lack of umph.

Then there was this from Michelle:

Okay great. Help me find a wolf if you ain’t one.

Who should we lynch?

Timmer - he didn't show up yet after saying he's busy. You find him villager? I find him laying low and avoiding confrontations. In all game he didn't question my vote on him. At least i didn't find it. How is this villagery?

I don't see timmer as avoiding confrontations but [mention]Michelle[/mention] maybe you could give an example? It seems to me more like she is still stuck on him from Day 1 and is just looking for things now that she can say about him.

So I can see voting Michelle but there are also some things about timmer that look bad that I will have to outline tomorrow because I'm tired.

What do some of the rest of you think, like [mention]Quin[/mention] and [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] ? Or [mention]Dragomir[/mention] and [mention]sprityo[/mention], please speak up. I'm also interested in comments from any of you who have already voted. Have I missed anything significant about Michelle?

I'll sleep on it and identify the things that make me uncomfortable with timmer in the morning. Note that EOD is early tomorrow, 1:30 pm EST.

[Quin]

I keep coming back to this point about Michelle:

Michelle says absolutely nothing about Sabie all game. That’s a very weird spot to be considering how big a suspect Sabie has been and that Michelle was on the counterwagon to Sabie twice.

I agree with Jack, it is weird considering she was on two counter wagons.

Also Owner pointed out that until this last day period Michelle "didn't have enough umph". She also pointed out Michelle's vote record which is not great Timmer, Luna, Creature, Timmer with no vote on Day 1. (Owner thought the lack of a day 1 vote was suspicious though I've seen that before from civs).

I can see what Owner is saying about the umph and the votes, though I kind of feel bad for Michelle if she was in 5 games and was hosting 1 and that could be responsible for the lack of umph.

Then there was this from Michelle:

Okay great. Help me find a wolf if you ain’t one.

Who should we lynch?

Timmer - he didn't show up yet after saying he's busy. You find him villager? I find him laying low and avoiding confrontations. In all game he didn't question my vote on him. At least i didn't find it. How is this villagery?

I don't see timmer as avoiding confrontations but @Michelle maybe you could give an example? It seems to me more like she is still stuck on him from Day 1 and is just looking for things now that she can say about him.

So I can see voting Michelle but there are also some things about timmer that look bad that I will have to outline tomorrow because I'm tired.

What do some of the rest of you think, like @Quin and @TonyStarkPrime ? Or @Dragomir and @sprityo, please speak up. I'm also interested in comments from any of you who have already voted. Have I missed anything significant about Michelle?

I'll sleep on it and identify the things that make me uncomfortable with timmer in the morning. Note that EOD is early tomorrow, 1:30 pm EST.

thank you for including me i think michelle is town