Persona 5 Mafia [Game End]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Back to buckets:

One of Rej of Drago
One or two of everyone else

I’m not voting for Mac he’s town and he’s better than I am so the cost benefit analysis doesn’t work out for self pres

Why are Rej and Drago antialigned?

Drago latches onto Rej early and frequently, if they’re both scum that wouldn’t have happened especially since the two are associated already in some ways. But both occupy lowish spaces on my tier list so it’s very likely that one is scum. I could see it go either way but my guess is Drago scum.

I feel like you’re making the case that they’re the same alignment...

[TonyStarkPrime]

Back to buckets:

One of Rej of Drago
One or two of everyone else

I’m not voting for Mac he’s town and he’s better than I am so the cost benefit analysis doesn’t work out for self pres

Why are Rej and Drago antialigned?

Drago latches onto Rej early and frequently, if they’re both scum that wouldn’t have happened especially since the two are associated already in some ways. But both occupy lowish spaces on my tier list so it’s very likely that one is scum. I could see it go either way but my guess is Drago scum.

I feel like you’re making the case that they’re the same alignment...

As in that I have been making the case that they’re the same? I haven’t thought of it that way. Maybe I’m wrong to say that they’re not w/w but I don’t think so.

[nutella]

I'm pretty down for this apparent consensus. My only concern is that there is too much of a consensus... but then again, I think the going hypothesis is that he'd only have one teammate and it's likely to be sprityo who's been quiet anyway. So, [VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

Nutella’s 20 some posts before this are all about Jay. Jay says they look authentic. Okay. Apparently in that time Nutella picked up Mac’s random scumreads from the beginning.

I've suspected you for a while dude lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

Back to buckets:

One of Rej of Drago
One or two of everyone else

I’m not voting for Mac he’s town and he’s better than I am so the cost benefit analysis doesn’t work out for self pres

Why are Rej and Drago antialigned?

Drago latches onto Rej early and frequently, if they’re both scum that wouldn’t have happened especially since the two are associated already in some ways. But both occupy lowish spaces on my tier list so it’s very likely that one is scum. I could see it go either way but my guess is Drago scum.

I feel like you’re making the case that they’re the same alignment...

As in that I have been making the case that they’re the same? I haven’t thought of it that way. Maybe I’m wrong to say that they’re not w/w but I don’t think so.

I mean town Drago will tend to suspect wolf Rej. Wolf Drago might try to mislynch or buddy town Rej.

Wolf Drago won’t focus on wolf Rej.

Town Drago might find town Rej.

I don’t get why you think there is one wolf between them.

[nutella]

There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reminder to all that Long Con exists.

[Dragomir]

Reminder to all that Long Con exists.

Ok, and?

[Dragomir]

There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

I was thinking the same thing but I don't wanna jump to it so fast. I'd like to avoid tunneling.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reminder to all that Long Con exists.

Ok, and?

Theories of the game, whatever they may be, need to account for Long Con’s existence.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], why is MacDougall such a confident town read that it surpasses your self-preservation?

[Dragomir]

Reminder to all that Long Con exists.

Ok, and?

Theories of the game, whatever they may be, need to account for Long Con’s existence.

Why? What are we supposed to conclude about an inactive?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reminder to all that Long Con exists.

Ok, and?

Theories of the game, whatever they may be, need to account for Long Con’s existence.

Why? What are we supposed to conclude about an inactive?

Nothing. I’m referring to contingencies and chatter of “deep” mafia. LC exists and there’s nothing to preclude that slot from being among the mafia team. I just want people cognizant of that, obvious as it may seem, as they explore their worlds.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The best way to get a read on Long Con is to solidify reads on everyone else. POE is the only way to do anything with inactive players.

I think TSP and sprityo are suspects, but for me it’s more about the absence of civilian indicators than a presence of mafia indicators. Long Con has no civilian indicators either and is accordingly a suspect.

I don’t think he’d even be blank anymore in my rainbow. He’s orange by virtue of numerous others being green. There are only so many slots.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

[Dragomir]

I did my iso on Sprityo and...I can't read him. Most of his posts are him trolling. The only ones of noteworthy are his vote on Mac and that post where he split the player list into a top half and bottom half. I sense omgus in his vote considering the lack of reasoning against Mac and how it came much after Mac was throwing heat at him(but he did put Mac in the bottom half list which he said he'd be looking into the most).

Now, I'd rather not get into wifom here but it's hard not to think about if scum would play like he's doing. I can't say I scum read him nor town read him.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm pretty down for this apparent consensus. My only concern is that there is too much of a consensus... but then again, I think the going hypothesis is that he'd only have one teammate and it's likely to be sprityo who's been quiet anyway. So, [VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

Nutella’s 20 some posts before this are all about Jay. Jay says they look authentic. Okay. Apparently in that time Nutella picked up Mac’s random scumreads from the beginning.

I've suspected you for a while dude lol

oh i was talking about sprityo

[TonyStarkPrime]

There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I did my iso on Sprityo and...I can't read him. Most of his posts are him trolling. The only ones of noteworthy are his vote on Mac and that post where he split the player list into a top half and bottom half. I sense omgus in his vote considering the lack of reasoning against Mac and how it came much after Mac was throwing heat at him(but he did put Mac in the bottom half list which he said he'd be looking into the most).

Now, I'd rather not get into wifom here but it's hard not to think about if scum would play like he's doing. I can't say I scum read him nor town read him.

this is the correct opinion

[TonyStarkPrime]

TonyStarkPrime, why is MacDougall such a confident town read that it surpasses your self-preservation?

as th
because mac is better than me and because I''m stubborn and dramatic.
I think nutella/Mac is a legitimate possibility here but Mac is the second in that pairing and theres absolutely no reason to be voting there for now in my mind

[TonyStarkPrime]

not sure where the "as th" comes from

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

[Dragomir]

There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.

Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.

[Dragomir]

I did my iso on Sprityo and...I can't read him. Most of his posts are him trolling. The only ones of noteworthy are his vote on Mac and that post where he split the player list into a top half and bottom half. I sense omgus in his vote considering the lack of reasoning against Mac and how it came much after Mac was throwing heat at him(but he did put Mac in the bottom half list which he said he'd be looking into the most).

Now, I'd rather not get into wifom here but it's hard not to think about if scum would play like he's doing. I can't say I scum read him nor town read him.

this is the correct opinion

Why?

[Epignosis]

Creature- No clear opinion.

Dragomir- I stand by my take. Came out throwing like Drew Brees.

Jack- I'm not rereading your 77 posts. Feeling is positive though.

JJJ- Unless he goofs, I don't lynch him Day 1. He hasn't goofed (been a donkey, maybe, but not goofed). I'd have to be convinced to vote there, and I don't see that happening.

Long Con- Got lost in concessions.

MacDougall- I look for a confident "Epi-JJJ-LC is scum got em" post early on. True to fashion, he made one. This time he included the fucking host. I noted it, but left it alone to see what other people would say about it. "Oh golly gee Mac is so town for that." Not in my stadium. Smells like a Minnesota Viking fan's fart. Would lynch.

nutella- I can't have a confident opinion of her or it's a red flag.

Rej- Will have to revisit.

sprityo- Will have to revisit.

TonyStarkPrime- Will have to revisit.

Picking up where I left off. Glad I waited.

Rej- I suspect Rej.

Spoiler: show

I find the votes at Mac interesting, after he received some good townreads. After looking at sprityo's Iso:
From the first first posts on they tunneled Mac and threatened him with a kill. Sounds like a challenge/bait. Feels like some personal stuff. I don't know how anyone of them profits from this if they would be scum. Still I can't get a civillian sprityo in my head right now.

Epignosis also did not receive any civillian reads from my side, so the wagon on Mac is the most suspicious thing I have seen yet in this game lol.

"Some people called MacDougall good and nobody (apparently ) called Epignosis good, therefore MacDougall is good." Do I have that right? If Mac is bad, Rej bad too.

sprityo-

Spoiler: show

If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

I now have him second behind Dragomir for a shiny civilian medal.

TonyStarkPrime- I read through his 81 posts again ( to Jack). I don't find TonyStarkPrime suspicious and would not lynch him Day 1.

I've got a blank up there for Creature, so I need to remedy that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

[Epignosis]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

I didn't make the team. I'm shocked. I'm gutted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis, what do you like most about sprityo’s posts?

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, what do you like most about sprityo’s posts?

They are honest, shoot-from-the-hip-I-don't-even-care-if-I-get-lynched-Day-1-like-I-always-do-when-sig-isn't-playing. He suspects me (or at least has me as a "scum candidate") but isn't afraid to vote alongside me. He's relaxed and just going with it. I dig it.

[Epignosis]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

[TonyStarkPrime]

There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.

Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.

im sorry I was throwing shade at you and nutella

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t think Epi is wolfin with Tony or Jay and I don’t think Jay is wolfin with LC either.

So my “four” player POE can be Jay, Epi, LC, Sprityo, Tony.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epignosis, what do you like most about sprityo’s posts?

They are honest, shoot-from-the-hip-I-don't-even-care-if-I-get-lynched-Day-1-like-I-always-do-when-sig-isn't-playing. He suspects me (or at least has me as a "scum candidate") but isn't afraid to vote alongside me. He's relaxed and just going with it. I dig it.

Lol shots fired.

[Jackofhearts2005]

One time Sprityo got lynched D1 and D2 and that’s how I met Sprityo.

[Dragomir]

There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.

Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.

im sorry I was throwing shade at you and nutella

Wait, what?

[Dragomir]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

[TonyStarkPrime]

There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.

Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.

im sorry I was throwing shade at you and nutella

Wait, what?

Well if you'll recall my argument against you was that you take reads that people posted 20 minutes ago and declare that they were your's the whole time

Nutella has had two original cases this game including one against Mac that ended with the inheritance of all of Mac's reads (sprit tsp jjj) and has interacted with all of the other players by not doing that

[Jackofhearts2005]

Let’s just lynch Jay.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.

what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m still out and about, so I can only poke in once in a while.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[Dragomir]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.

what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand

A scum that is in the town core by pretty much everyone in the game. I'd be one if I was scum.

[Dragomir]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] why is Creature not in your naw list? The reasons you gave against Sprityo can be applied to him as well.

[sprityo]

If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

my reads are anti mac

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.

what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand

A scum that is in the town core by pretty much everyone in the game. I'd be one if I was scum.

wrong verb mood => scum

[Dragomir]

Let me guess:

Voting phase will take forever to start and when it does I'll have to pull something I know is completely bullshit to justify my vote when there's absolutely no need to.

If this weren’t Creature it’d seem like scum preemptively making excuses, but this is a legitimate form of complaint I think from our resident complainer and scum wouldn’t be quite so quick on the excuse? Lean town?

This post makes me see a Creature and TSP team combo here. The wifom reasoning to conclude that he's town I just really don't like and Idk why but it just feels like something he'd be doing for his buddy instead of a townie. Tbh, nearly all the reasoning TSP has provided against or for something has been wifom related. I wonder why.

[sprityo]

The best way to get a read on Long Con is to solidify reads on everyone else. POE is the only way to do anything with inactive players.

I think TSP and sprityo are suspects, but for me it’s more about the absence of civilian indicators than a presence of mafia indicators. Long Con has no civilian indicators either and is accordingly a suspect.

I don’t think he’d even be blank anymore in my rainbow. He’s orange by virtue of numerous others being green. There are only so many slots.

nice 180, jackass

i'll be returning this sticker now

i didnt want your grubby handouts anyways :suspicious:

[Dragomir]

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.

what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand

A scum that is in the town core by pretty much everyone in the game. I'd be one if I was scum.

wrong verb mood => scum

Um, what?

[sprityo]

One time Sprityo got lynched D1 and D2 and that’s how I met Sprityo.

truly the shining moment of my mafia career

[sprityo]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

if i really didnt care, i wouldn't be here now would I?