Persona 5 Mafia [Game End]

[sprityo]

Like i said, mac wanted to hop to it so i'll eat my hat before i let him take a stroll over my entire torso

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The best way to get a read on Long Con is to solidify reads on everyone else. POE is the only way to do anything with inactive players.

I think TSP and sprityo are suspects, but for me it’s more about the absence of civilian indicators than a presence of mafia indicators. Long Con has no civilian indicators either and is accordingly a suspect.

I don’t think he’d even be blank anymore in my rainbow. He’s orange by virtue of numerous others being green. There are only so many slots.

nice 180, jackass

i'll be returning this sticker now

i didnt want your grubby handouts anyways :suspicious:

You didn’t earn the sticker in the first place.

I don’t think I want to lynch you.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Let me guess:

Voting phase will take forever to start and when it does I'll have to pull something I know is completely bullshit to justify my vote when there's absolutely no need to.

If this weren’t Creature it’d seem like scum preemptively making excuses, but this is a legitimate form of complaint I think from our resident complainer and scum wouldn’t be quite so quick on the excuse? Lean town?

This post makes me see a Creature and TSP team combo here. The wifom reasoning to conclude that he's town I just really don't like and Idk why but it just feels like something he'd be doing for his buddy instead of a townie. Tbh, nearly all the reasoning TSP has provided against or for something has been wifom related. I wonder why.

cause that's how analysis works?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dragomir[/mention], Creature seems authentic to me. I am going to fully reassess everyone later though. Something feels off about the “consensus” and I need to explore that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like i said, mac wanted to hop to it so i'll eat my hat before i let him take a stroll over my entire torso

I don’t doubt it. Why did you list me on the trusted side in your reads?

[TonyStarkPrime]

How I'm interpreting this situation:


X says something townie

Me:
X is probably not scum cause scum wouldnt say that

Drago:
TSP is wifoming again he doesn't have real cases and he's scum


I think you'd like it better if I just said "x is probably town" and cut out the reasoning but I'm not going to so live with it

[TonyStarkPrime]

jjj has a gross amount of posts

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jjj has a gross amount of posts

A succinct summary of my Mafia life

[TonyStarkPrime]

jjj has a gross amount of posts

A succinct summary of my Mafia life

up to 101 in the duodecimal system a numbering system which would make all life easier for everyone who has advanced past the counting on fingers stage

[nutella]

Dragomir, Creature seems authentic to me. I am going to fully reassess everyone later though. Something feels off about the “consensus” and I need to explore that.

K I solved the game. If Tony/sprit flip town lynch Jay/creature.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dragomir, Creature seems authentic to me. I am going to fully reassess everyone later though. Something feels off about the “consensus” and I need to explore that.

K I solved the game. If Tony/sprit flip town lynch Jay/creature.

You said I’m not haphazard or wild.

You’re not haphazard or wild. You’re comfortable. I don’t think you should be. Why are you comfortable?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis, what has you trusting TSP?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I ask myself “who is the more likely opportunist?” in the continuing Mac/sprityo spat, I don’t answer with “sprityo”.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I looked through Mac’s posts for the origins of his sprityo suspicion. I see three things:

1.) emoji tell

2.) “lol you’re not surviving Day 1”

3.) this:

If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

Okay. Here are sprityo’s reads:

-JaggedJimmyJay
-Dragomir
-nutella
-Rej
-Long Con

-MacDougall
-Epignosis
-Jackofhearts2005
-TonyStarkPrime
-Creature

I skimmed through the 8 pages, I split the player list in half since bigger numbers are easier to see, and i'll be working from the bottom pool until further notice as scum candidates and assuming the top half are town. Long Con Pending.

Why are these less “pro-town” than some other person’s reads? Mac’s suspicion is default. It’s weak sauce.

[Dragomir]

How is Creature authentic to you Jay? How is Sprit not?

[nutella]

Dragomir, Creature seems authentic to me. I am going to fully reassess everyone later though. Something feels off about the “consensus” and I need to explore that.

K I solved the game. If Tony/sprit flip town lynch Jay/creature.

You said I’m not haphazard or wild.

You’re not haphazard or wild. You’re comfortable. I don’t think you should be. Why are you comfortable?

Bc this game is tiny and therefore easy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How is Creature authentic to you Jay? How is Sprit not?

I’m changing my mind on sprityo. Earlier in play I just thought Creature sounded like he didn’t care how he was perceived, and there was no appearance of theater in it.

We’ll see howI feel when I can review ISOs on the computer.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dragomir, Creature seems authentic to me. I am going to fully reassess everyone later though. Something feels off about the “consensus” and I need to explore that.

K I solved the game. If Tony/sprit flip town lynch Jay/creature.

You said I’m not haphazard or wild.

You’re not haphazard or wild. You’re comfortable. I don’t think you should be. Why are you comfortable?

Bc this game is tiny and therefore easy

No

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]nutella[/mention] I have no idea why you initially suspected sprityo.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, what has you trusting TSP?

I didn't say I trust him- I'm putting him in your boat. The H.M.S. BadDay1Lynch. TSP has always struck me as analytical, and that's more useful when there's more to analyze.

What makes TSP a good Day 1 lynch for you?

[Epignosis]

I have to cook soon and then review Week 2 stuff. I'll be back later this evening.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis, what has you trusting TSP?

I didn't say I trust him- I'm putting him in your boat. The H.M.S. BadDay1Lynch. TSP has always struck me as analytical, and that's more useful when there's more to analyze.

What makes TSP a good Day 1 lynch for you?

He has contributed a lot, and I have been unable to find a moment in that effort that makes me feel good about him. I need to review it all again. Generally though if I cannot feel anything about a highly active player, that’s a red flag.

[MacDougall]

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

And yet

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And yet

[MacDougall]

Creature- No clear opinion.

Dragomir- I stand by my take. Came out throwing like Drew Brees.

Jack- I'm not rereading your 77 posts. Feeling is positive though.

JJJ- Unless he goofs, I don't lynch him Day 1. He hasn't goofed (been a donkey, maybe, but not goofed). I'd have to be convinced to vote there, and I don't see that happening.

Long Con- Got lost in concessions.

MacDougall- I look for a confident "Epi-JJJ-LC is scum got em" post early on. True to fashion, he made one. This time he included the fucking host. I noted it, but left it alone to see what other people would say about it. "Oh golly gee Mac is so town for that." Not in my stadium. Smells like a Minnesota Viking fan's fart. Would lynch.

nutella- I can't have a confident opinion of her or it's a red flag.

Rej- Will have to revisit.

sprityo- Will have to revisit.

TonyStarkPrime- Will have to revisit.

Picking up where I left off. Glad I waited.

Rej- I suspect Rej.

Spoiler: show

I find the votes at Mac interesting, after he received some good townreads. After looking at sprityo's Iso:
From the first first posts on they tunneled Mac and threatened him with a kill. Sounds like a challenge/bait. Feels like some personal stuff. I don't know how anyone of them profits from this if they would be scum. Still I can't get a civillian sprityo in my head right now.

Epignosis also did not receive any civillian reads from my side, so the wagon on Mac is the most suspicious thing I have seen yet in this game lol.

"Some people called MacDougall good and nobody (apparently ) called Epignosis good, therefore MacDougall is good." Do I have that right? If Mac is bad, Rej bad too.

sprityo-

Spoiler: show

If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

I now have him second behind Dragomir for a shiny civilian medal.

TonyStarkPrime- I read through his 81 posts again ( to Jack). I don't find TonyStarkPrime suspicious and would not lynch him Day 1.

I've got a blank up there for Creature, so I need to remedy that.

Giving Sprityo your 2nd civ medal because I scum read him is game throwing at this point

[MacDougall]

Epignosis, what do you like most about sprityo’s posts?

They are honest, shoot-from-the-hip-I-don't-even-care-if-I-get-lynched-Day-1-like-I-always-do-when-sig-isn't-playing. He suspects me (or at least has me as a "scum candidate") but isn't afraid to vote alongside me. He's relaxed and just going with it. I dig it.

I don't believe this. The truth is "because I am epi and I like to be a contrarian".

[MacDougall]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

Yes because I have two votes on me from at least 1 civilian so there is a chance of mislynch. I've seen this dance before.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

Yes because I have two votes on me from at least 1 civilian so there is a chance of mislynch. I've seen this dance before.

I don’t believe that sprityo is the guy civilian Mac is lynching right now.

[MacDougall]

If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

my reads are anti mac

So is your entire game. It's like you don't care abouy anything but fighting with me.

Meanwhile I have angles playing out with several people and I am the one with votes.

Oh well.

[MacDougall]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

Yes because I have two votes on me from at least 1 civilian so there is a chance of mislynch. I've seen this dance before.

I don’t believe that sprityo is the guy civilian Mac is lynching right now.

Why would I not want to lynch sprityo jay?

1. I hated his intro post.
2. He has done nothing but bait me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

my reads are anti mac

So is your entire game. It's like you don't care abouy anything but fighting with me.

Meanwhile I have angles playing out with several people and I am the one with votes.

Oh well.

WTF are “angles”? You don’t care about that shit.

[MacDougall]

The best way to get a read on Long Con is to solidify reads on everyone else. POE is the only way to do anything with inactive players.

I think TSP and sprityo are suspects, but for me it’s more about the absence of civilian indicators than a presence of mafia indicators. Long Con has no civilian indicators either and is accordingly a suspect.

I don’t think he’d even be blank anymore in my rainbow. He’s orange by virtue of numerous others being green. There are only so many slots.

nice 180, jackass

i'll be returning this sticker now

i didnt want your grubby handouts anyways :suspicious:

You're the one being a jackass

[MacDougall]

If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

my reads are anti mac

So is your entire game. It's like you don't care abouy anything but fighting with me.

Meanwhile I have angles playing out with several people and I am the one with votes.

Oh well.

WTF are “angles”? You don’t care about that shit.

For someone who hates being labelled you sure love doing it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

Yes because I have two votes on me from at least 1 civilian so there is a chance of mislynch. I've seen this dance before.

I don’t believe that sprityo is the guy civilian Mac is lynching right now.

Why would I not want to lynch sprityo jay?

1. I hated his intro post.
2. He has done nothing but bait me.

The last time you actually lynched someone on the basis of their entry post was in 19 BCE.

What do you expect civilian sprityo to do as Mac shits on him across Day 1?

[MacDougall]

When I ask myself “who is the more likely opportunist?” in the continuing Mac/sprityo spat, I don’t answer with “sprityo”.

False dichotomy.

[MacDougall]

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

Yes because I have two votes on me from at least 1 civilian so there is a chance of mislynch. I've seen this dance before.

I don’t believe that sprityo is the guy civilian Mac is lynching right now.

Why would I not want to lynch sprityo jay?

1. I hated his intro post.
2. He has done nothing but bait me.

The last time you actually lynched someone on the basis of their entry post was in 19 BCE.

What do you expect civilian sprityo to do as Mac shits on him across Day 1?

I am not lynching him. I am voting for him. Subtle difference. I am not a one man wagon formation.

He has been the one doing the shitting Jay.

[MacDougall]

Jay has scum read on Epi and Epi scum reads Jay. Yet they are voting together against me.

Interesting af.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I ask myself “who is the more likely opportunist?” in the continuing Mac/sprityo spat, I don’t answer with “sprityo”.

False dichotomy.

There is no implication that one of you must be an opportunist. One of you can look more like an opportunist though.

[MacDougall]

Fux it. I'm voting for Jay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay has scum read on Epi and Epi scum reads Jay. Yet they are voting together against me.

Interesting af.

I’m warming to Epi. He said he had no interest in lynching me a while ago.

[MacDougall]

When I ask myself “who is the more likely opportunist?” in the continuing Mac/sprityo spat, I don’t answer with “sprityo”.

False dichotomy.

There is no implication that one of you must be an opportunist. One of you can look more like an opportunist though.

There was until you just made that post.

Also the premise is asinine. How is voting for sprityo opportunistic in the context of this game?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Fux it. I'm voting for Jay.

Your suspicions of me are horseshit and I think you know that. You were just my mafia teammate. You know better.

[MacDougall]

I'm voting for Jay and probably leaving it there unless i really have to self pres vote. I've seen nothing but bad faith arguments.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I ask myself “who is the more likely opportunist?” in the continuing Mac/sprityo spat, I don’t answer with “sprityo”.

False dichotomy.

There is no implication that one of you must be an opportunist. One of you can look more like an opportunist though.

There was until you just made that post.

Also the premise is asinine. How is voting for sprityo opportunistic in the context of this game?

It’s not just your goddamn vote. It’s your stance, your words, and the climate you create. sprityo is the epitome of an easy target.

[MacDougall]

Fux it. I'm voting for Jay.

Your suspicions of me are horseshit and I think you know that. You were just my mafia teammate. You know better.

I was your mafia teammate so long ago I don't even remember it.

[MacDougall]

When I ask myself “who is the more likely opportunist?” in the continuing Mac/sprityo spat, I don’t answer with “sprityo”.

False dichotomy.

There is no implication that one of you must be an opportunist. One of you can look more like an opportunist though.

There was until you just made that post.

Also the premise is asinine. How is voting for sprityo opportunistic in the context of this game?

It’s not just your goddamn vote. It’s your stance, your words, and the climate you create. sprityo is the epitome of an easy target.

Jay: Easy targets don't rand wolf

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Fux it. I'm voting for Jay.

Your suspicions of me are horseshit and I think you know that. You were just my mafia teammate. You know better.

I was your mafia teammate so long ago I don't even remember it.

I am the same guy I am in every town game. You’ve seen this eight million times. You know better.

[MacDougall]

Fux it. I'm voting for Jay.

Your suspicions of me are horseshit and I think you know that. You were just my mafia teammate. You know better.

I was your mafia teammate so long ago I don't even remember it.

I am the same guy I am in every town game. You’ve seen this eight million times. You know better.

Well this is the specific point isn't it. In that I totally disagree that you are.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I ask myself “who is the more likely opportunist?” in the continuing Mac/sprityo spat, I don’t answer with “sprityo”.

False dichotomy.

There is no implication that one of you must be an opportunist. One of you can look more like an opportunist though.

There was until you just made that post.

Also the premise is asinine. How is voting for sprityo opportunistic in the context of this game?

It’s not just your goddamn vote. It’s your stance, your words, and the climate you create. sprityo is the epitome of an easy target.

Jay: Easy targets don't rand wolf

Mac in this game:

sprityo bad. Jay bad bad??? K bye

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Fux it. I'm voting for Jay.

Your suspicions of me are horseshit and I think you know that. You were just my mafia teammate. You know better.

I was your mafia teammate so long ago I don't even remember it.

I am the same guy I am in every town game. You’ve seen this eight million times. You know better.

Well this is the specific point isn't it. In that I totally disagree that you are.

Then what is the difference?