Inception [Inception Phase 4]

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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I’ll do some hunting today. I just wasn’t going to try to make legal cases last night.

Of course, D1 is gone so lol I guess hunting will be more like soul searching and providing a bottom 5 or 3 or whatever the legal number is.
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Epi: I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.

Immediately after

Iaafr: 112 is clear today as far as im concerned
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:37 am
MacDougall wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:28 am

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It says “alright, it’s fuck o’clock”

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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iaafr wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:12 am 112 - trust with my life until i betray in maybe 2-3 game days

Dom - pingiest scummiest player this round so far

Epignosis - insane amount of overnight work that seems genuine, a lot of conclusions line up with mine and the ones that dont are reasonable. gave me pause on TSP tbh, which should give me pause on quin. can't actually dig up the interaction that made me think not w/w between tsp/quin, but yeah.

Evenstar - still seems more casual than her scumgame in some ways, but... mild pause...?

iaafr - lock scum

Jackofhearts2005 - unimpressed with light shade / joking at me claiming i solved the game ( i mean i posted the fruits of my isoing everybody in two separate lists pretty much), dunno how im supposed to evaluate. also now that im scumreading creature for other reasons, jack coming out with a confident townread on them feels weird. but idk, my whole impression of the jack/creature thing is still pretty fuzzy. would reread more if i could.

Lady LambdaDelta - exists

MacDougall - think he's town for a bunch of emotional reactions to how he was pushed d1 and annoyed by evenstar today, very comfortable in thread, blah blah blah

Master Radishes - was sussing overnight because of bad progressions to votes d1 and a few scumpings for like... projecting that he wanted others' opinions on stuff in a scummy way, but his work today gives me pause? i kinda liked his analysis of EOD votes, but then EOD analysis is some of the easiest to fake. still one of my more suspected players overall.

Michelle - still kinda think shes scum? ive been on the fence with her the entire game because... i mean her town game has a decent amount of questions which i don't see the value of, but her game this game feels like 80+% questions i dont see the value of, and more of them as a proportion of posts than usual? maybe im just misremembering though. ive only played like 2 games with her, and she was slanky in one (sonic 3/21) and died early in another (d6 light).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - lead the drago push; unassailable; the most towny town

novaselinenever - i kinda liked his posts today lol. also interactions with dom, assuming im right on scumreading dom, look kinda good...?

Pawn Lelouch - my scum partner, should probably stop shading him soon

Quin - i cleared him overnight for pushing TSP in a not w/w way, but if TSP is town, could easily be a scum

Rej / ColinIsCool - no fuckin clue

sprityo - the whole obsession with being ML'd d1... keep wavering hardcore on whether to find it towny or scummy. level 1 says towny. not really where i wanna look, but... its possible i end up here?

bottom 4 would be

dom, jack, michelle, quin...?

still kinda copouty but its a large game im inclined to want to kill the people playing less
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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Lady LambdaDelta wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am Anyway Epi's posts are performative, not informative and they're designed to seep into the nature of people's want for content.

It's IIoA. They say many words, but not much in the end.

More than that, they're doing the Bullets for Bullets tactic I outlined in my scum guide. It feels like the goal of the posts is to be unreadably long and make you skim and say generally "agreeable" things people can't exactly contest without strictly committing anywhere.
That's whatan iso is. :shrug:

Where's your substance? Or are you just a theater critic?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:03 am Epi: I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.

Immediately after

Iaafr: 112 is clear today as far as im concerned
what about your oppinion?

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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iaafr wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:02 am
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:54 am Pawn the posts were fucking giant and in sequence of each other, it was a fucking slog to read in which I felt my eyes glazing over multiple times

any assertion that this is not the truth, and that it's not intentionally done given the way the quotes were setup feels a bit disingenuous, at best.
there are so many town players who create annoying walls who dont seem self aware of how annoying their walls are to read

epi's quotewalls were like

in the 20th percentile of unreadableness at worst

if it was intentional he couldve made them a lot worse while still having plausible deniability
So... do you have those reads you promised or is being a theater critic good enough for you?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
yep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.
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Can someone tell me how exactly flipped Drago in flavour's words?
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
I asked this question earlier.

My quote post was my draft from night. Don't know how epi put that together unless his being an admin is giving him unfair viewing privileges.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:30 am Can someone tell me how exactly flipped Drago in flavour's words?
Obvs can't see it anymore, but it was red and spoke to us about needing the subconscious elements dead.
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Dom wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
I asked this question earlier.

My quote post was my draft from night. Don't know how epi put that together unless his being an admin is giving him unfair viewing privileges.
i didn't think at this o.o
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Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:03 am Epi: I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.

Immediately after

Iaafr: 112 is clear today as far as im concerned
what about your oppinion?

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Gut? I wouldn’t clear 112 yet.
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Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
yep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.
Early birds and all, I suppose.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:34 am
Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
yep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.
Early birds and all, I suppose.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:59 am Apparently fights happened, I haven’t read them and probably won’t if we’re being honest, but I will say anyways that everyone should cool their jets and take a deep breath, extended yell fests are not super fun usually. This format and posting restrictions are frustrating but if they’re so inhibiting just follow my lead and only reply to pings and do a semi-random pop in or two. It’s very freeing and sometimes helps you see the game a bit better from the 10,000 foot perspective.

@Evenstar if I said you’re town, would you agree?
Yes, but I'd say it's still too early for you to have that kind of hard opinion on me.

Now if you were calling Lexi town I'd agree, because I sussed Lexi multiple timea D1 and I'm still not dead

also I don't think scum lexi frustration-posts like this, she leans back and lets us tear each other apart with a few carefully selected jibes
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:30 am Can someone tell me how exactly flipped Drago in flavour's words?
Something something Forger, something something role was a godfather, had a safeclaim of "humility" and then some flavour text for that
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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Regarding epignosis - long overnight textwalls are NOT limited to townies, see my WC1 game, but I do feel like he's doing actual processing and consideration of what he's writing. He was also a last-ditch counterwagon to a flipped scum. I don't think he needs resolving today.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

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MacDougall wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:22 pm So you don't see the potential of them being duelling scum wagons?
I do think it's possible, but I still think there are scum on the 112 wagon even in that case.

It really felt like a nudge to see if Drago could be saved - the counter-votes piled up on 112 suddenly and without anyone explaining it.
In the event of that being the case I'd say that there are likely to very few scum on the 112 wagon unless they were stuck there via distancing. If the scum had to choose Dragomir over 112 then they would have mostly jumped off. It's possible that the 112 wagon was initially just scum distancing thinking that there was no chance of the lynch occurring and then all dived off to Dragomir at the absolute last chance.
Can you turn this hypothetical into a specific....list of three or more specific players?
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Ugh botched the joke and no edits allowed.
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Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:38 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:34 am
Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
yep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.
Early birds and all, I suppose.
Can you say it again?
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:08 am
Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:38 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:34 am
Michelle wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?

Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
yep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.
Early birds and all, I suppose.
Can you say it again?
nvm google helped me -_-
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iaafr wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:27 pm my most desired pool is

{tonystarkprime, creature, novaselinenever, texas cloverleaf}

i know these arent very exciting but they are my highest likelihood scumpool
Yeah, this doesn’t excite me in the least.
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MacDougall wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:29 pm Looking at the Dragomir voters I'd say that the ones most likely to be teammates are Long Con and Juliets at face value, which is obviously not very helpful.
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Wait. They aren’t here.

We only have to be vague about people we can vote for, which I assume means players here.
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If not for Epi’s diligence, I wouldn’t know that Eva called me “cheese scum.” :pout:
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MacDougall wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:31 pm iaafr can you explain why you dropped out altogether?
Anime betrayal. Pay attention.
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Ifaar’s assertion that he knew Drago was scum and played with his vote at EOD to try to prompt wolf movement does not seem to match the interactive Epi posted at all.

It’s actually kinda nice I can say stuff like “he might make my bottom 4.”
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my top suspects after day one one who unfortunately is not in this thread, is Elephant, and like i previously said Evenstar, LLD, Nova and Rej from this thread.

Starting with the Elephant, because i cannot update with present posts the infos and thoughts:
- general non commital posts, a too weak presence and avoiding confrontations with sweet words
- voted 112. flipped mafia counter wagon, I know it's not crucial but it helps
- i will post below few ideas taking one Elephant posts from Epi's day 1 analysis on 112
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Epignosis wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:21 pm
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112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:30 am
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:50 am
112 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Man, this got all kinds of fakey fakey shit in it. Goddamn.
wrong again, drago
The first interaction is Dragomir giving an over-the-top assessment of 112's post that doesn't quite serve as an accusation and doesn't possess any meat. It goes nowhere.
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:50 am
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:09 am
iaafr wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:54 pm but it rly could just be me mindmelding with 112s personality rather than alignment and not doing so with mac and nutella etc

but uh 112s personality here is like my town personality and the timing of that question of that read on nutella and mac was like

its a question id have already asked in this gamestate if i were in a more tryhard/contentforcey mentality
i don't understand the purpose of 112 saying that thing in the first place
i make posts to psych myself up sometimes like when i actually feel like im gonna have a good town game

idk

i relate to the sentiment and find it towny
How do you mindmeld with a personality? That doesn't make any sense to me.
:keys:
This reaction exists.
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:14 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Read the last page and you'll find out.
I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?
Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.
Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.
No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.
tell 'em

There are reasons why I posted what I did. None of them should particularly concern anyone. :nicenod:
This exchange says more about Evenstar than it does 112.
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Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.
Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.
But in this game characters are random, in ME like me being shep meant that I was good and you being some bad alien thing meant you were bad
From what I've read of you: you seem too reasonable to be town. What do you think?
In the wake of Dragomir flinging crud at him, 112 expresses suspicion of TSP (Unless "you" here refers to somebody else. :rolleyes: ).
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:20 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am
iaafr wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella
why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr
This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.
I hate the tone of the bolded.
I hate the uselessness of our boldface feature against the dark background.

Again, I'm not sure what to do with this. 112 throws a jab at Dragomir but doesn't elaborate or go anywhere with it.
112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:27 am
iaafr wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery
i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.
My my my. 112 likes the thought but pushes against it anyway in the most vapid and ambivalent way possible.

What jumps off the page even more is that 112 has lumped Hyena (alignment unknown) into the same category as Dragomir (mafia). The category itself makes no sense whatsoever, and I have to question the motive behind lumping to the two individuals together in so equivocal a boat.

This is 112's worst post in the wake of the Dragomir reveal.
112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 am Drago calls people on tonal stuff, but his is possibly the worst in the game. Is this an instance of someone accusing others of what they think they themselves are guilty of?
I don't know. Is it? :keys:
112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:55 am i make like 100 posts a game when i'm town that can arguably be read as tmi. i think tmi reads should only be given good weight when they're very blatant. i haven't even read the alleged mac-drago tmi though, just want to say that i can understand why mac might be frustrated here.
I'm going to get to MacDougall, but this exists and like the question above, does nothing to express a concrete opinion on Dragomir.
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iaafr wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery
i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.
This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?
@112
they're probably all town and connected by the interconnectivity of the universe.
This reflects well on Elephant. Also note that I am good here but I became a suspect of 112's for my "lazy list." :rolleyes:
The idea of the only literate post by a player is heavily shady no matter AI but i often saw wolves downgrading posts made by town. This strikes me as rude in the usual sweetness of Elephant words and feels unnecessary. The fact he asks oppinions about iaafr i have a TR for and also Radishes who looked very decent all day 1, Nutella who's analysis on me were accurate and not pockety, and Benson and Epignosis who seems leaning town (more sure about Epi rn) so he is questioning 112 about my TRs, this rings a bell for me

I don't get why @Epignosis gives him a good look, but for me he is top scum because my gut read is aligned with my logic.
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112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:10 am
Dragomir wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:52 am I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?
Why is this of such immediate importance?
Cause I want to know what is going on. I hate being behind, can't do anything.
This is a softball interaction that goes nowhere.
112 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:21 am
Benson wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:07 am Drago has seemingly disappeared while several people are calling for his head. Never a good look.

I need him to post so I can re-evaluate that read. I'm still kinda holding on to his start that I liked.
it feels like you really had to force this post tbh
Raise your hand if you agree with 112 that Benson had to force this post.
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juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.
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Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:07 pm Well that 112 read goes to shit now.
It’s clear that Dragomir’s opinion was bunk. Elephant (rightly) afforded Dragomir the opportunity to walk his view of 112 all the way back to I-don’t-have-vote-for-him-ville.

++++

112 all but disappeared down the stretch of Day 1, and the final vote ended up on one T. Liberal, a one-off.

I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.
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Master Radishes wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:36 pm Epi, Eva, Jack, Nova

^contains scum, maybe even more than one
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Why? I townread everyone in this pile except Nova, who I don’t really have a read on.
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Going to Iso Eve and LLD because Nova and Rej's slot have obvioulsy a low profile this game

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I’m catching up with what’s available but can someone tell me what the flips so far have been? And if there’s any context you think would help — because right now I am :omg: — that too.
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[mention]Dom[/mention]

It’s not oddly specific. I was scum in a Jay game with flavor claims and we got safeclaims. You were in that game.
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ColinIsCool wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:58 am I’m catching up with what’s available but can someone tell me what the flips so far have been? And if there’s any context you think would help — because right now I am :omg: — that too.
There's been exactly one flip and it was Dragomir Scum Godfather.
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ColinIsCool wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:58 am I’m catching up with what’s available but can someone tell me what the flips so far have been? And if there’s any context you think would help — because right now I am :omg: — that too.
Drago flipped mafia on the D1 lynch and then half the players disappeared. No nk that we can see.
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okay, so

rainbow lists are not allowed

but I think the following is in the spirit:

Negative side of neutral:
Dom
Radishes
112
Nova
Colin/rej
Quin
Jack
Michelle


Positive side of neutral:
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Macdougall
Pawn Lelouch
Lady Lambdadelta
Iaafr
Epignosis
Sprityo
Nanook


names not in any particular order, exactly 8 in each category even though it took some massaging
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that said,
[mention]Quin[/mention]
[mention]sprityo[/mention]
I'd super appreciate it if you two would at least post something
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Here’s where I’m at as of mid page 3. I’ll fill in the rest and move them about as I go. Players are in no particular order with the groups.

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
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Pawn

Maybe scum
Nanook

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[mention]Michelle[/mention]
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Dom wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:28 pm
iaafr wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:27 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:23 pm This is a game.

If they're gonnna fuck with us with "you're not allowed to catch up on a game and read old posts you missed"

then why not abuse their fucking system
cuz I like abiding by spirit of intent. the one thing I can agree with Dom on.
you met me like two days ago bro you might be surprised what else we agree onk
Dom, at this point in my frantic catch-up I’m having a hard time understanding your suspicion of iaafr. Can you (briefly) summarize it for me?
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Dom wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:28 pm i don't trust someone who civ red, then on a flip baddie read, then civ read, then baddie read, then no voted on the baddie lynch we have.
Oh if this is it then nvm
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Evenstar wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:39 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:59 am Apparently fights happened, I haven’t read them and probably won’t if we’re being honest, but I will say anyways that everyone should cool their jets and take a deep breath, extended yell fests are not super fun usually. This format and posting restrictions are frustrating but if they’re so inhibiting just follow my lead and only reply to pings and do a semi-random pop in or two. It’s very freeing and sometimes helps you see the game a bit better from the 10,000 foot perspective.

@Evenstar if I said you’re town, would you agree?
Yes, but I'd say it's still too early for you to have that kind of hard opinion on me.

Now if you were calling Lexi town I'd agree, because I sussed Lexi multiple timea D1 and I'm still not dead

also I don't think scum lexi frustration-posts like this, she leans back and lets us tear each other apart with a few carefully selected jibes
If Lexi is genuinely frustrated, she’ll post it as either alignment I think?

I actually think you’re easier to TR (based off associations with drago) here than Lexi—we don’t know how much if any control scum had over the division, so you being alive after sussing her D1 isn’t really a point that works either way I think? Not without some assumptions about the setup I’m not really prepared to make at this point in time.
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Epignosis wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:13 pmGO NATS
FINALLY SOMETHING WE AGREE ON, GO NATS
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:22 am Here’s where I’m at as of mid page 3. I’ll fill in the rest and move them about as I go. Players are in no particular order with the groups.

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn

Maybe scum
Nanook

Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112
got it thanks.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:28 am
Evenstar wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:39 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:59 am Apparently fights happened, I haven’t read them and probably won’t if we’re being honest, but I will say anyways that everyone should cool their jets and take a deep breath, extended yell fests are not super fun usually. This format and posting restrictions are frustrating but if they’re so inhibiting just follow my lead and only reply to pings and do a semi-random pop in or two. It’s very freeing and sometimes helps you see the game a bit better from the 10,000 foot perspective.

@Evenstar if I said you’re town, would you agree?
Yes, but I'd say it's still too early for you to have that kind of hard opinion on me.

Now if you were calling Lexi town I'd agree, because I sussed Lexi multiple timea D1 and I'm still not dead

also I don't think scum lexi frustration-posts like this, she leans back and lets us tear each other apart with a few carefully selected jibes
If Lexi is genuinely frustrated, she’ll post it as either alignment I think?

I actually think you’re easier to TR (based off associations with drago) here than Lexi—we don’t know how much if any control scum had over the division, so you being alive after sussing her D1 isn’t really a point that works either way I think? Not without some assumptions about the setup I’m not really prepared to make at this point in time.
I'm assuming that this is still a mafia game, IE mafia have some way to prevent people from talking. Maybe that's selecting people for the new layer, maybe it's kills, IDK, but it remains the case that Lexi and I are in yhe same layer despite my suspicion of her D1 and in Finals she straight up NK'd me even when I was looking horrible just because she thought I'd tunnel her the next day.

Maybe I'm getting horribly outplayed, but I wanna go easy on Lexi anyway for non-play-related reasons. She doesn't need resolving right now IMO.
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So. Obviously I’m missing like a trillion pages of context but out of THIS thread I like the contributions of Radishes, Michelle, Epignosis, MacDougall and Pawn Lelouch.

Since others have remarked though I am curious to have this on record: if you’ve played with Epi before/recently what do you make of him taking the reins and ISOing?

Also for the record I’m not going to be the one to copy his posts since I am on mobile.
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One other question, what are we thinking set-up wise in terms of team numbers? I’ve seen references to 8 scum but do we think 1 team? Indies, etc. ?
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