Inception [Inception Phase 4]
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I’ll do some hunting today. I just wasn’t going to try to make legal cases last night.
Of course, D1 is gone so lol I guess hunting will be more like soul searching and providing a bottom 5 or 3 or whatever the legal number is.
Of course, D1 is gone so lol I guess hunting will be more like soul searching and providing a bottom 5 or 3 or whatever the legal number is.
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Epi: I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.
Immediately after
Iaafr: 112 is clear today as far as im concerned
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It says “alright, it’s fuck o’clock”
You’re welcome
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The level of no u here is palpable.iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:12 am 112 - trust with my life until i betray in maybe 2-3 game days
Dom - pingiest scummiest player this round so far
Epignosis - insane amount of overnight work that seems genuine, a lot of conclusions line up with mine and the ones that dont are reasonable. gave me pause on TSP tbh, which should give me pause on quin. can't actually dig up the interaction that made me think not w/w between tsp/quin, but yeah.
Evenstar - still seems more casual than her scumgame in some ways, but... mild pause...?
iaafr - lock scum
Jackofhearts2005 - unimpressed with light shade / joking at me claiming i solved the game ( i mean i posted the fruits of my isoing everybody in two separate lists pretty much), dunno how im supposed to evaluate. also now that im scumreading creature for other reasons, jack coming out with a confident townread on them feels weird. but idk, my whole impression of the jack/creature thing is still pretty fuzzy. would reread more if i could.
Lady LambdaDelta - exists
MacDougall - think he's town for a bunch of emotional reactions to how he was pushed d1 and annoyed by evenstar today, very comfortable in thread, blah blah blah
Master Radishes - was sussing overnight because of bad progressions to votes d1 and a few scumpings for like... projecting that he wanted others' opinions on stuff in a scummy way, but his work today gives me pause? i kinda liked his analysis of EOD votes, but then EOD analysis is some of the easiest to fake. still one of my more suspected players overall.
Michelle - still kinda think shes scum? ive been on the fence with her the entire game because... i mean her town game has a decent amount of questions which i don't see the value of, but her game this game feels like 80+% questions i dont see the value of, and more of them as a proportion of posts than usual? maybe im just misremembering though. ive only played like 2 games with her, and she was slanky in one (sonic 3/21) and died early in another (d6 light).
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - lead the drago push; unassailable; the most towny town
novaselinenever - i kinda liked his posts today lol. also interactions with dom, assuming im right on scumreading dom, look kinda good...?
Pawn Lelouch - my scum partner, should probably stop shading him soon
Quin - i cleared him overnight for pushing TSP in a not w/w way, but if TSP is town, could easily be a scum
Rej / ColinIsCool - no fuckin clue
sprityo - the whole obsession with being ML'd d1... keep wavering hardcore on whether to find it towny or scummy. level 1 says towny. not really where i wanna look, but... its possible i end up here?
bottom 4 would be
dom, jack, michelle, quin...?
still kinda copouty but its a large game im inclined to want to kill the people playing less
i love shannon so much she's insane
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That's whatan iso is.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am Anyway Epi's posts are performative, not informative and they're designed to seep into the nature of people's want for content.
It's IIoA. They say many words, but not much in the end.
More than that, they're doing the Bullets for Bullets tactic I outlined in my scum guide. It feels like the goal of the posts is to be unreadably long and make you skim and say generally "agreeable" things people can't exactly contest without strictly committing anywhere.

Where's your substance? Or are you just a theater critic?
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How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
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what about your oppinion?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:03 am Epi: I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.
Immediately after
Iaafr: 112 is clear today as far as im concerned
btw if you post gifs please spoiler them for my eyes (i have health real problem with quick moving images, thanks for understanding)
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So... do you have those reads you promised or is being a theater critic good enough for you?iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:02 amthere are so many town players who create annoying walls who dont seem self aware of how annoying their walls are to readLady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:54 am Pawn the posts were fucking giant and in sequence of each other, it was a fucking slog to read in which I felt my eyes glazing over multiple times
any assertion that this is not the truth, and that it's not intentionally done given the way the quotes were setup feels a bit disingenuous, at best.
epi's quotewalls were like
in the 20th percentile of unreadableness at worst
if it was intentional he couldve made them a lot worse while still having plausible deniability
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yep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
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Can someone tell me how exactly flipped Drago in flavour's words?
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I asked this question earlier.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
My quote post was my draft from night. Don't know how epi put that together unless his being an admin is giving him unfair viewing privileges.
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Obvs can't see it anymore, but it was red and spoke to us about needing the subconscious elements dead.
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i didn't think at this o.oDom wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:30 amI asked this question earlier.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
My quote post was my draft from night. Don't know how epi put that together unless his being an admin is giving him unfair viewing privileges.
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Gut? I wouldn’t clear 112 yet.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 amwhat about your oppinion?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:03 am Epi: I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.
Immediately after
Iaafr: 112 is clear today as far as im concerned
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Early birds and all, I suppose.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 amyep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
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Can you say it again?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:34 amEarly birds and all, I suppose.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 amyep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
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Yes, but I'd say it's still too early for you to have that kind of hard opinion on me.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:59 am Apparently fights happened, I haven’t read them and probably won’t if we’re being honest, but I will say anyways that everyone should cool their jets and take a deep breath, extended yell fests are not super fun usually. This format and posting restrictions are frustrating but if they’re so inhibiting just follow my lead and only reply to pings and do a semi-random pop in or two. It’s very freeing and sometimes helps you see the game a bit better from the 10,000 foot perspective.
@Evenstar if I said you’re town, would you agree?
Now if you were calling Lexi town I'd agree, because I sussed Lexi multiple timea D1 and I'm still not dead
also I don't think scum lexi frustration-posts like this, she leans back and lets us tear each other apart with a few carefully selected jibes
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Regarding epignosis - long overnight textwalls are NOT limited to townies, see my WC1 game, but I do feel like he's doing actual processing and consideration of what he's writing. He was also a last-ditch counterwagon to a flipped scum. I don't think he needs resolving today.
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Can you turn this hypothetical into a specific....list of three or more specific players?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:26 pmIn the event of that being the case I'd say that there are likely to very few scum on the 112 wagon unless they were stuck there via distancing. If the scum had to choose Dragomir over 112 then they would have mostly jumped off. It's possible that the 112 wagon was initially just scum distancing thinking that there was no chance of the lynch occurring and then all dived off to Dragomir at the absolute last chance.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:24 pmI do think it's possible, but I still think there are scum on the 112 wagon even in that case.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:22 pm So you don't see the potential of them being duelling scum wagons?
It really felt like a nudge to see if Drago could be saved - the counter-votes piled up on 112 suddenly and without anyone explaining it.
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Ugh botched the joke and no edits allowed.
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Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:38 amCan you say it again?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:34 amEarly birds and all, I suppose.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 amyep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
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nvm google helped me -_-Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:08 amMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:38 amCan you say it again?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:34 amEarly birds and all, I suppose.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:29 amyep.. he worked overnight, few good hours the day 1 was still visible.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 am How the fuck is Epi doing interactive isos?
Did he do all these during the night phase? I can’t read D1.
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Cheater!MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:29 pm Looking at the Dragomir voters I'd say that the ones most likely to be teammates are Long Con and Juliets at face value, which is obviously not very helpful.
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Wait. They aren’t here.
We only have to be vague about people we can vote for, which I assume means players here.
We only have to be vague about people we can vote for, which I assume means players here.
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If not for Epi’s diligence, I wouldn’t know that Eva called me “cheese scum.” 

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Anime betrayal. Pay attention.
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Ifaar’s assertion that he knew Drago was scum and played with his vote at EOD to try to prompt wolf movement does not seem to match the interactive Epi posted at all.
It’s actually kinda nice I can say stuff like “he might make my bottom 4.”
It’s actually kinda nice I can say stuff like “he might make my bottom 4.”
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my top suspects after day one one who unfortunately is not in this thread, is Elephant, and like i previously said Evenstar, LLD, Nova and Rej from this thread.
Starting with the Elephant, because i cannot update with present posts the infos and thoughts:
- general non commital posts, a too weak presence and avoiding confrontations with sweet words
- voted 112. flipped mafia counter wagon, I know it's not crucial but it helps
- i will post below few ideas taking one Elephant posts from Epi's day 1 analysis on 112
Starting with the Elephant, because i cannot update with present posts the infos and thoughts:
- general non commital posts, a too weak presence and avoiding confrontations with sweet words
- voted 112. flipped mafia counter wagon, I know it's not crucial but it helps
- i will post below few ideas taking one Elephant posts from Epi's day 1 analysis on 112
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The idea of the only literate post by a player is heavily shady no matter AI but i often saw wolves downgrading posts made by town. This strikes me as rude in the usual sweetness of Elephant words and feels unnecessary. The fact he asks oppinions about iaafr i have a TR for and also Radishes who looked very decent all day 1, Nutella who's analysis on me were accurate and not pockety, and Benson and Epignosis who seems leaning town (more sure about Epi rn) so he is questioning 112 about my TRs, this rings a bell for meEpignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:21 pmSpoiler: showThis reflects well on Elephant. Also note that I am good here but I became a suspect of 112's for my "lazy list."112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 amthey're probably all town and connected by the interconnectivity of the universe.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:56 am@112Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:17 amThis is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.Spoiler: show
@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?![]()
I don't get why @Epignosis gives him a good look, but for me he is top scum because my gut read is aligned with my logic.
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Jack when you stop joking around please tell me where your head is at
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triggered.gifMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:36 pm Epi, Eva, Jack, Nova
^contains scum, maybe even more than one
Why? I townread everyone in this pile except Nova, who I don’t really have a read on.
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Going to Iso Eve and LLD because Nova and Rej's slot have obvioulsy a low profile this game
But taking a break first
But taking a break first
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I’m catching up with what’s available but can someone tell me what the flips so far have been? And if there’s any context you think would help — because right now I am
— that too.


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It’s not oddly specific. I was scum in a Jay game with flavor claims and we got safeclaims. You were in that game.
It’s not oddly specific. I was scum in a Jay game with flavor claims and we got safeclaims. You were in that game.
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There's been exactly one flip and it was Dragomir Scum Godfather.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:58 am I’m catching up with what’s available but can someone tell me what the flips so far have been? And if there’s any context you think would help — because right now I am— that too.
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Drago flipped mafia on the D1 lynch and then half the players disappeared. No nk that we can see.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:58 am I’m catching up with what’s available but can someone tell me what the flips so far have been? And if there’s any context you think would help — because right now I am— that too.
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okay, so
rainbow lists are not allowed
but I think the following is in the spirit:
Negative side of neutral:
Dom
Radishes
112
Nova
Colin/rej
Quin
Jack
Michelle
Positive side of neutral:
Evenstar
Macdougall
Pawn Lelouch
Lady Lambdadelta
Iaafr
Epignosis
Sprityo
Nanook
names not in any particular order, exactly 8 in each category even though it took some massaging
rainbow lists are not allowed
but I think the following is in the spirit:
Negative side of neutral:
Dom
Radishes
112
Nova
Colin/rej
Quin
Jack
Michelle
Positive side of neutral:
Evenstar
Macdougall
Pawn Lelouch
Lady Lambdadelta
Iaafr
Epignosis
Sprityo
Nanook
names not in any particular order, exactly 8 in each category even though it took some massaging
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that said,
[mention]Quin[/mention]
[mention]sprityo[/mention]
I'd super appreciate it if you two would at least post something
[mention]Quin[/mention]
[mention]sprityo[/mention]
I'd super appreciate it if you two would at least post something
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Here’s where I’m at as of mid page 3. I’ll fill in the rest and move them about as I go. Players are in no particular order with the groups.
Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature
Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo
Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn
Maybe scum
Nanook
Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112
Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature
Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo
Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn
Maybe scum
Nanook
Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112
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Dom, at this point in my frantic catch-up I’m having a hard time understanding your suspicion of iaafr. Can you (briefly) summarize it for me?Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:28 pmyou met me like two days ago bro you might be surprised what else we agree onkiaafr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:27 pmcuz I like abiding by spirit of intent. the one thing I can agree with Dom on.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:23 pm This is a game.
If they're gonnna fuck with us with "you're not allowed to catch up on a game and read old posts you missed"
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
If Lexi is genuinely frustrated, she’ll post it as either alignment I think?Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:39 amYes, but I'd say it's still too early for you to have that kind of hard opinion on me.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:59 am Apparently fights happened, I haven’t read them and probably won’t if we’re being honest, but I will say anyways that everyone should cool their jets and take a deep breath, extended yell fests are not super fun usually. This format and posting restrictions are frustrating but if they’re so inhibiting just follow my lead and only reply to pings and do a semi-random pop in or two. It’s very freeing and sometimes helps you see the game a bit better from the 10,000 foot perspective.
@Evenstar if I said you’re town, would you agree?
Now if you were calling Lexi town I'd agree, because I sussed Lexi multiple timea D1 and I'm still not dead
also I don't think scum lexi frustration-posts like this, she leans back and lets us tear each other apart with a few carefully selected jibes
I actually think you’re easier to TR (based off associations with drago) here than Lexi—we don’t know how much if any control scum had over the division, so you being alive after sussing her D1 isn’t really a point that works either way I think? Not without some assumptions about the setup I’m not really prepared to make at this point in time.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
got it thanks.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:22 am Here’s where I’m at as of mid page 3. I’ll fill in the rest and move them about as I go. Players are in no particular order with the groups.
Town
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Mac
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
I'm assuming that this is still a mafia game, IE mafia have some way to prevent people from talking. Maybe that's selecting people for the new layer, maybe it's kills, IDK, but it remains the case that Lexi and I are in yhe same layer despite my suspicion of her D1 and in Finals she straight up NK'd me even when I was looking horrible just because she thought I'd tunnel her the next day.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:28 amIf Lexi is genuinely frustrated, she’ll post it as either alignment I think?Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:39 amYes, but I'd say it's still too early for you to have that kind of hard opinion on me.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:59 am Apparently fights happened, I haven’t read them and probably won’t if we’re being honest, but I will say anyways that everyone should cool their jets and take a deep breath, extended yell fests are not super fun usually. This format and posting restrictions are frustrating but if they’re so inhibiting just follow my lead and only reply to pings and do a semi-random pop in or two. It’s very freeing and sometimes helps you see the game a bit better from the 10,000 foot perspective.
@Evenstar if I said you’re town, would you agree?
Now if you were calling Lexi town I'd agree, because I sussed Lexi multiple timea D1 and I'm still not dead
also I don't think scum lexi frustration-posts like this, she leans back and lets us tear each other apart with a few carefully selected jibes
I actually think you’re easier to TR (based off associations with drago) here than Lexi—we don’t know how much if any control scum had over the division, so you being alive after sussing her D1 isn’t really a point that works either way I think? Not without some assumptions about the setup I’m not really prepared to make at this point in time.
Maybe I'm getting horribly outplayed, but I wanna go easy on Lexi anyway for non-play-related reasons. She doesn't need resolving right now IMO.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
So. Obviously I’m missing like a trillion pages of context but out of THIS thread I like the contributions of Radishes, Michelle, Epignosis, MacDougall and Pawn Lelouch.
Since others have remarked though I am curious to have this on record: if you’ve played with Epi before/recently what do you make of him taking the reins and ISOing?
Also for the record I’m not going to be the one to copy his posts since I am on mobile.
Since others have remarked though I am curious to have this on record: if you’ve played with Epi before/recently what do you make of him taking the reins and ISOing?
Also for the record I’m not going to be the one to copy his posts since I am on mobile.

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
One other question, what are we thinking set-up wise in terms of team numbers? I’ve seen references to 8 scum but do we think 1 team? Indies, etc. ?
