Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[Epignosis]

oh for crying out loud

okay, I'm putting a stop to this

Rabbit's hold-off on voting makes him extremely likely the doublevoter, which makes him mech town

now everybody shut up and investigate other people

Was rather hoping to not mention that possibility. Figured we could keep him alive pretty easily without mentioning the possibility that could give us an edge during the day phase.

same but now like four people are scumreading him

best to nip this in the bud before he becomes a massive distraction

If that's true, then it makes his abstention from the vote even less encouraging.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

ooooh spicy

tell me about Dom

or you could tell the class about Dom...

Why do the work when Epi can do it for me? :eyeroll:

What should i look for dom, besides you commenting on Rabbit's spam post (albeit yes i agree it's a bit heinous)

I'm waiting for you to put something out there that isnt a response to something else. In fact I'll go double check your ISO right now to see if you have any, I just can't recall it right now

I'm not around a lot. Doing my best.

But I don't like that you tried to get Epi to do your dirty work and didn't say anything about it until you were called out on it one bit.

As a lazy person at heart, I do the minimum unless I NEED to do more

Or you want Epi to lynch me for you.
Why?

Actually not the case, I still see you as town, epi does not. I want to know why he has a different opinion than I do

Eh?

[Epignosis]

And it's interesting given that Epi hasn't voiced suspicion of me.

At this phase, I'm keen on voting out unpleasant people.

Creature isn’t here tho.

Boom! Roasted.

I was thinking Dom, who is.

You either didn't read the thread or are gaslighting. Either way this is not a good look.

This wasn't serious. In the Second Age, Dom and I used to clash quite often. It was a friendly dig.

My next post was:

It's clear iaafr isn't keen on helping civilians, along with Jack or Colin. I think one of them should be voted.

[iaafr]

bro I'll vote

[Epignosis]

Dom, would you summarize what you are seeing with Master Radishes when next you get the chance?

[Master Radishes]

Dom, would you summarize what you are seeing with Master Radishes when next you get the chance?

He and I discussed it a couple pages back. Let me find it.

Here:

And we agree on radishes. I'd also add he came in late D2 and just seemed so agenda-y.

I was here all D2; I didn't come in late. And my agenda was to formulate a consensus lynchpool to prevent us splitting votes six ways and allowing the mafia to stack the vote behind the scenes.

I didn't say you weren't there earlier.

Oh, I see. I misread the syntax of what you said.

What I mean is that your late day phase posts felt very manipulative.

Yeah, I got that much.

I mean, sure, I guess they were. I felt that the scum were successfully creating a placid environment where they would slip by unnoticed in the uncertainty created by the round's mechanics, and so I was trying to prod and nudge and get a consensus lynchpool so that we could limit their options a bit.

That's certainly not how I read the sitution, and if I ever can, I'd like to reread with this in mind.

[Master Radishes]

I wonder how the other levels are doing.

Are we the chattiest? The angriest? The confusedist?

Definitely the sexiest?

[iaafr]

how deep does the rabbit hole go

[Master Radishes]

how deep does the rabbit hole go

Are you...propositioning me?

[Pawn Lelouch]

I wonder how the other levels are doing.

Are we the chattiest? The angriest? The confusedist?

Definitely the sexiest?

Probably angriest and most confused. 50/50 on least chatty or middle chatty. And of course we're the sexiest

[iaafr]

[Epignosis]

I wonder how the other levels are doing.

Are we the chattiest? The angriest? The confusedist?

Definitely the sexiest?

Given the boo lynch, I'd say horrible.

[iaafr]

I am over the anger forever now we are good.

yesterday was a stressful day for other reasons too and sry for it

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dom, serious question - what's your play here? If you're town, you're not building any more of a case against iaafr, you're just being a dick. And that's fine, but it's not helpful.

I suspect you, the rabbit, mac, hyena, and jack.

That's my angle.

hyena is town
iaafr is town
you're scum

jack and radishes could go either way, rn I'm leaning towards radishes

Why?

Hyena is town because I know how he plays and he's town hyena
iaafr is town because I'm mindmelding with them, and also for other reasons
you're scum because you're not playing the game and hiding that behind fake aggression while trying to buddy up to epignosis
jack is scum because he's not playing the game, but he's doing better with making his thoughts clear today
I'm tinfoiling radishes because he pushed me hard yesterday and it feels like he reversed on me a bit too quickly

Which bits?

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I broke quiet players into groups they would look like

Town
Dom
Nova
Sprityo


Scum
Colin
Quin
LLD

3 of those people arent here jack

I’m aware but they were all here yesterday at least and are all probably still in this game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

@ColinIsCool (Rej) w
@Dom w
@Epignosis w
@Evenstar w
@iaafr v
@Jackofhearts2005 w
@Master Radishes v
@Pawn Lelouch v
@sprityo w

theres 3 town and 5 mafia and we gotta vig shot differnet ones with our powersecretvotes pew pew pew pew epw ewp

My three are Pawn, Radishes, Iaafr

Jack, your reads are so different from everyone's. That in itself is fine, but I also feel they're not progressing - isn't this the same three you had yesterday?

(a) Why Pawn?
(b) Why me?
(c) Why Rabbit?

If you've said I genuinely don't remember.

I’ve said like a dozen times.

A) Pawn because his reads are too easy. Suspect the quiet players. Suspect who Iaafr and Radishes are pushing. I don’t think he’s likely scum with you and Iaafr since he feels like a wolf satisfied to sheep wrong reads, not a wolf trying to power through.

B) Because I strongly townread Epi for his interactives yesterday and you came in and pooped all over them. Then LLD and Pawn basically agreed (which is not a good look for them but again, makes ya’ll not looked teamed, at least not all 3 of you). You also put forth a weasel worded attack on Eva. Don’t remember the details, just that you accused her of “chaos posting” when she was saying things I found reasonable.

C) His scumreads don’t make any sense from a town perspective. He’s spending so much time complaining about mechanics and spreading conspiracies that it feels wolfy. I have no idea why I appear to be the lone voice of reason here.

I agree with Jack's Third bullet about rabbit

I do too.
I just don't know how much I trust Jack.

I’ll do my best to mason with you later *noogies*

(This is a reference, not a claim.)

[iaafr]

has a single syndicate member flipped on me to town yet

[iaafr]

I have a pretty good case on Eva and she has a pretty good case on me for being mech town

how are you guys still even thinking about me

[iaafr]

talking about me in any capacity as a potential vote for this day is a scumclaim at this point

if you can't see why as town you need to reread my posts and Eva's posts

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 you got something on Radishes' level?

In terms of spice? Probably not.

[Jackofhearts2005]

oh for crying out loud

okay, I'm putting a stop to this

Rabbit's hold-off on voting makes him extremely likely the doublevoter, which makes him mech town

now everybody shut up and investigate other people

tbh, i'm not following this logic, but this theory enough isnt enough to convince me to not have rabbit in my potential voting pool

if his double-vote makes the difference to lynch a scum he is NK'd every time guaranteed

if his double-vote is noticed by scum he is NK'd >50% of the time

concrete evidence of its existence makes him damn close to an IC due to the fact that "Doublevoter" is in the list of existing town roles

he just didn't bet on all the votes after D1 being anonymous and therefore being unable to mech clear himself

it fits entirely with his reckless play

Yes but explain to me how they would know he is the doublevoter?

... okay, you got me there.

A beautiful theory spoiled by an ugly fact.

Lol

[iaafr]

part of my frustration with this game is I'm always treated as lock town in 95% of towns by d3 in my town games because of the endless amount of work I'm able to do and I'm not used to being subjected to repeated shit pushes while I can't play how I normally play

[Jackofhearts2005]

On page 11, I think the Dom Sprityo spat reinforces my Sprityo townread and makes Dom look worse.

[iaafr]

but now I am mech town and we are good. entertaining otherwise is a scumclaim. if you disagree, I want you dead anyway.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I broke quiet players into groups they would look like

Town
Dom
Nova
Sprityo


Scum
Colin
Quin
LLD

lld isn't in this group this post is ill eagle

It’s not. I never said I was considering voting these players.

[Jackofhearts2005]

but now I am mech town and we are good. entertaining otherwise is a scumclaim. if you disagree, I want you dead anyway.

I disagree.

[iaafr]

I could be more annoying here but I'll refrain.

that was a joke.

[Epignosis]

talking about me in any capacity as a potential vote for this day is a scumclaim at this point

if you can't see why as town you need to reread my posts and Eva's posts

You're the only one talking about you.

[iaafr]

I still think literally all syndicate members are scum.

[iaafr]

Dom, serious question - what's your play here? If you're town, you're not building any more of a case against iaafr, you're just being a dick. And that's fine, but it's not helpful.

I suspect you, the rabbit, mac, hyena, and jack.

That's my angle.

hyena is town
iaafr is town
you're scum

jack and radishes could go either way, rn I'm leaning towards radishes

Why?

Hyena is town because I know how he plays and he's town hyena
iaafr is town because I'm mindmelding with them, and also for other reasons
you're scum because you're not playing the game and hiding that behind fake aggression while trying to buddy up to epignosis
jack is scum because he's not playing the game, but he's doing better with making his thoughts clear today
I'm tinfoiling radishes because he pushed me hard yesterday and it feels like he reversed on me a bit too quickly

Which bits?

this is jack, talking to evenstar about her read on me as if I shouldn't be confirmed anyway

[Jackofhearts2005]

https://inception.davepedu.com

protip keep this open in another tab and press it whenever somebody posts something spicy

Thank you for this.

[iaafr]

or are you not reading all of Jack's posts because he's your partner?

[iaafr]

oh wait I'm anticipating the defense already

jack could be trying to see which thoughts we mindmelded on because those thoughts might have merit

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dom, serious question - what's your play here? If you're town, you're not building any more of a case against iaafr, you're just being a dick. And that's fine, but it's not helpful.

I suspect you, the rabbit, mac, hyena, and jack.

That's my angle.

hyena is town
iaafr is town
you're scum

jack and radishes could go either way, rn I'm leaning towards radishes

Why?

Hyena is town because I know how he plays and he's town hyena
iaafr is town because I'm mindmelding with them, and also for other reasons
you're scum because you're not playing the game and hiding that behind fake aggression while trying to buddy up to epignosis
jack is scum because he's not playing the game, but he's doing better with making his thoughts clear today
I'm tinfoiling radishes because he pushed me hard yesterday and it feels like he reversed on me a bit too quickly

Which bits?

this is jack, talking to evenstar about her read on me as if I shouldn't be confirmed anyway

Why should I confirm you?

Because Eva claims you’re a double voter (which you’re now confirming I guess) and also that the OP (which I can’t see) said that town double voter was on an incomplete list of roles that may or may not be in the game.

That about right? Am I missing anything?

Explain to me the difference between an incomplete list of roles that may or may not be in the game and...a random list of roles that are unrelated to this game.

[iaafr]

because my process on Eva was organic and she's confirmed and pushing me against her reads is massively dumb in this gamestate where you should acquiesce to your townreads on their never lynches

[iaafr]

just daypass me and move on im near self resolving atp

[Jackofhearts2005]

just daypass me and move on im near self resolving atp

Nobody is self resolving without flips.

[iaafr]

haha got me

[iaafr]

why is this game literally every syndicate member defending their right to push me

this game is so bwaaaaaaaaaahnng

[iaafr]

am I secretly un nightkillable

am I like the target that they have to get other town to vote

[iaafr]

push the button

[Jackofhearts2005]

yea I was a bit of an elitist who was on the "this shits overhyped" train

but it's a solid film I should try again I forgot almost everything about it so it's probably a good time

My wife worked at a summer camp where every group of kids (teens?) watched this movie so she watched it like 8 times in a summer and now she won’t watch it with me.

[Pawn Lelouch]

push the button

I have been, yes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I go down to the next level, mislynch and then I this whole game was a dream, it will be both thematic of the movie Inception and my mafia career.

[iaafr]

during night 1, the mafia team got to pick which subconscious aspect they wanted to remove. they decided on me because with their tmi my unvote looked the worst, or something

[iaafr]

now they have to get the other subconscious aspects to vote and eliminate me to successfully incept dickbutt into whoever's dream we're in

[Evenstar]

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] I'd like to hear your latest thoughts on Iaafr

Epi's put forwards the argument that rabbit potentially being the doublevoter actually makes them look worse, not better

Should I be scumreading Epi or Rabbit more for this? 'cause right now I'm reading that as reflecting quite badly on Epi

I do think my Rabbit read should be a little less secure given that he hasn't actually got a good reason to be not voting D1 even if he is the doublevoter, but IMO Epi's argument here boils down to "If they're mechanically confirmed town that just makes them look worse", which is absolutely garbage.

[Epignosis]

Pawn Lelouch I'd like to hear your latest thoughts on Iaafr

Epi's put forwards the argument that rabbit potentially being the doublevoter actually makes them look worse, not better

Should I be scumreading Epi or Rabbit more for this? 'cause right now I'm reading that as reflecting quite badly on Epi

I do think my Rabbit read should be a little less secure given that he hasn't actually got a good reason to be not voting D1 even if he is the doublevoter, but IMO Epi's argument here boils down to "If they're mechanically confirmed town that just makes them look worse", which is absolutely garbage.

That isn't at all what I said. I was lamenting the wastefulness of the role, if indeed it was true.

[Epignosis]

I do think my Rabbit read should be a little less secure given that he hasn't actually got a good reason to be not voting D1 even if he is the doublevoter, but IMO Epi's argument here boils down to "If they're mechanically confirmed town that just makes them look worse", which is absolutely garbage.

And if you're admitting that my reasoning for questioning iaafr last night was ultimately fair, why not engage iaafr yourself?

Perhaps you will have better results than I got.

[Evenstar]

Dom, serious question - what's your play here? If you're town, you're not building any more of a case against iaafr, you're just being a dick. And that's fine, but it's not helpful.

I suspect you, the rabbit, mac, hyena, and jack.

That's my angle.

hyena is town
iaafr is town
you're scum

jack and radishes could go either way, rn I'm leaning towards radishes

Why?

Hyena is town because I know how he plays and he's town hyena
iaafr is town because I'm mindmelding with them, and also for other reasons
you're scum because you're not playing the game and hiding that behind fake aggression while trying to buddy up to epignosis
jack is scum because he's not playing the game, but he's doing better with making his thoughts clear today
I'm tinfoiling radishes because he pushed me hard yesterday and it feels like he reversed on me a bit too quickly

Which bits?

I ended up coming around to their reads on people both D1 and D2, I can't name the specific ones off the top of my head. I think they were talking about epi being potentially scum? In any case their thought process is good and I don't see their current attitude being easily fakable. I think they're getting scumread by the syndicate contingent because their playstyle is aggressively non-syndi.

in fact my latest read chart says the following:
- iaafr is hated by syndicate people
- dom and colin are hated by non-syndicate people
- you're hated by literally everyone

which says to me that
1: the iaafr, dom and colin scumreads are all quite possibly garbage caused by clashing playstyles
2: you're blatant mislynch-bait given that absolutely nobody is sticking up for you, literally everyone has you in their bottom 3
3: I ought to be looking for scum in my middle or top tiers.

so my spicy spicy potential-scum list rn is
{Pawn, Epi, Radishes, Sprityo}

though honestly Dom keeps creeping back in just because he's been such an unjustified dick to Rabbit.