Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[Dom]

Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?

coach?

Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?

Okay. We’re all in agreement there is exactly one wolf in Sprityo, Eva, Radish, yeah?

why

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean, if everyone at the bottom level is town, don’t we just win? Or are they dead or what?

[iaafr]

we gotta form the brain trust and feed me all your reads before you kill me thinking youre sending me back to the upper level it'll be hilarious

[Epignosis]

I know nothing about Fire Emblem except that Kirby kicks all their asses.

[Dom]

I mean, if everyone at the bottom level is town, don’t we just win? Or are they dead or what?

I just don't get how you know everything

[Jackofhearts2005]

we gotta form the brain trust and feed me all your reads before you kill me thinking youre sending me back to the upper level it'll be hilarious

[Epignosis]

iaafr, what do you need from us? What would you like from us?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I know nothing about Fire Emblem except that Kirby kicks all their asses.

It’s basically like

[iaafr]

if you guys need somewhere to start, Dom and jack could comb through epi's n1 drago spew based analysis and see what they still agree and disagree with

but really I don't know.

also on my mind is making cases on radishes in particular in either direction, because I just recall finding his play in phase 3 suspicious, as well as phase 1 (obv we can only analyze his phase 3 posting here).

[Epignosis]

I still think Pawn is evil. That shit against me last phase was bullshit, and he knows it. Lynch him to death.

[iaafr]

which is kinda funny cuz Jack was bothered by phase 2 radishes most.

his push on Eva also felt agendaed to me at the time, and the way he tried to tie himself to epignosis, who if we presume is town, also used eod analysis, in order to try to make himself look townier

[Epignosis]

I am at work, and unable to post much. I have meeting coming up soon (that includes a 50-slide Power Point about how to have a meeting ), but...

but i mean yeah your logics a bit weird

wouldnt keeping him alive to keep sussing the towncore sow suspicion on its own?

why would scum assume people would even remember nooks reads

Yes, but Nook was relatively low impact in the thread so he probably wouldn't make much progress and might even be convinced to change his mind. Better to go for the guarantee rather than a gamble.

Because it's good town play to look back at those who died to try and divine the intent as to why they died. Since there is always a discernible reason behind a scum nightkill. The trick is actually figuring it out. Plus remembering the reads of one of 14 other players is far easier than that of 29 other players. Especially since scum could potentially just point it out themselves in thread as a reason why Nook could have been a silencing kill. So there's a fair chance that town would easily remember the reads or scum would just state it themselves.

I'm basically assuming that Epi is scum based off this as I read into the kill more and more. If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view, which fits my mental image of Epi's style and even is something he has stated in previous days.

...this is rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

First, the qualifiers indicate someone who knows what he is saying is rubbish. "Basically assuming" is equivocal language. "As I read into the kill more and more" is a vague way to make it sound as though this perspective bears credibility. It doesn't. This is an attempt to appear analytical. The little lecture that precedes the accusation rings hollow.

Second, Pawn, who knows nothing about me and has no prior experience with me, suggests that he can correctly peg me specifically as killing Nanook. Nonsense. In fact, if you remember, Nanook was among my top suspects coming into Day 2. From my perspective, the incessant posts begging for credit for lynching Dragomir looked too on the nose. If I were mafia, I would have been confident I could have gathered support for a Nanook lynch. No- Nanook would not have been in my top ten choices for a kill.

Third, the accusation is empty. Any victim could be a "methodical" choice for the Night kill. What makes the Nanook kill specifically a methodical choice (as opposed to, say, an Evenstar kill or a Pawn kill)? The accusation is based on multiple assumptions that don't even support it.

Fourth, the basis for this accusation against me is at present non-falsifiable. "If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view" is nothing that can be proved or disproved until endgame.

This is rubbish.

This is my view on Pawn, iaafr. Let everyone be the judge of it.

[Epignosis]

If you want to have a go at Radishes, I won't object.

[Epignosis]

I don't agree, but I don't object.

[iaafr]

I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two

[iaafr]

or, and this is the possibility I was exploring, we were 5 town all sussing each other while minorly side eyeing radishes while he slipped by

but pawn also kept trying to move radishes up without really spelling out why so it could be both of them

[Epignosis]

I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two

Pawns argument against me was one that I could in no way dispute, and not even because there are no previous thread to allude to.

Notice that Pawn made no move against me until I made one against him. Then he came up with this "Well I've been thinking about the Nanook kill more and more."

BULLSHIT.

Lynch him please.

[Dom]

I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two

i'd buy that

I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two

Pawns argument against me was one that I could in no way dispute, and not even because there are no previous thread to allude to.

Notice that Pawn made no move against me until I made one against him. Then he came up with this "Well I've been thinking about the Nanook kill more and more."

BULLSHIT.

Lynch him please.

this is jack's view on me tbh

[iaafr]

not sure that chronology holds up but I'll double check it on computer later

[iaafr]

I might end up deciding I don't want to be voted because I'd rather assume we're still supposed to want to vote for scum and winning a vote is still some sort of bad thing

[iaafr]

not sure that chronology holds up but I'll double check it on computer later

referring to the timing of when pawn made the case, I thought I remembered him mentioning it before epi got onto pawn

not that it makes him not scum if so

[Epignosis]

Well in any event, I'm going to bed. Tata. Dreams within dreams within dreams.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two

i'd buy that

I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two

Pawns argument against me was one that I could in no way dispute, and not even because there are no previous thread to allude to.

Notice that Pawn made no move against me until I made one against him. Then he came up with this "Well I've been thinking about the Nanook kill more and more."

BULLSHIT.

Lynch him please.

this is jack's view on me tbh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, I don’t really see any option bet Radish next to Sprityo and Eva. More sure on Sprityo being town but Eva seems pretty darn clean too.

I still think Pawn is bad.

I still don’t have a great read on Dom.

None of that is that helpful today.

[iaafr]

jack what's your progression on Dom again?

I'm probably going to see the d3 in iso but what about d1 d2

[Jackofhearts2005]

jack what's your progression on Dom again?

I'm probably going to see the d3 in iso but what about d1 d2

Um...I don’t know if I’m allowed to say?

He’s seemed like town!Dom or just Dom cause I’ve never seen wolf!Dom.

At one point, when I felt there were some dishonest pushes on me, I thought one could have come from Dom but then decided probably not.

I’ve been unsure for most of the game.

[iaafr]

[mention]Dom[/mention]

you seem to be under the impression Jack's unfairly tunneling you? can you quote where you started feeling that?

[iaafr]

and forgive me if I got your impression wrong or worded it wrong I just actually don't know your overall view on jack rn

[iaafr]

I'm actually very firm in my belief now that if there's a scum player on this layer it's Dom

case coming sometime in the next 30 hours

just mulled it over and if I'm going by conventional measures jack and epi just hit way more town notes by far and Dom seems the most serious about the game in a scum perspective manner, and seems uninterested in context and digging any deeper than surface level in a scummy way. idk. my guts screaming it has to be Dom.

[iaafr]

and if there's 2 scum on this layer it's epi and Dom but idk Eva's right I don't think an epi Dom scumteam ever plays this game like they did...

anyway I just want to believe we're supposed to vote scum so yeah aborting the voting me idea

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

I think his treatment of pawn was awkward too, [mention]Epignosis[/mention] I'd like you to reread Dom's posts around the time you started suspecting pawn. he was especially insightful about how he treated you and him differently, as if he was hyper aware of what pawn was doing. I don't believe that pawn wouldn't bus in this setup.

[iaafr]

the way he acted around getting sussed for not reacting to pawns sus of him also seemed like caughtforthewrongreasons indignation

[iaafr]

(but in a scummy way)

[iaafr]

epi and Jack are just so much more robust and holistic in their treatment of gameplay

if there is a scum it is dom

[iaafr]

I mean if it is epi he's basically doing a victory lap by taunting me and basically getting me to kill myself by lying about an angleshoot investigation of the setup?

should I put that past him?

[iaafr]

this is still mobile posting btw I don't know if I have it in me to wanna do the deep dive tonight there's other stuff I wanna do with my life

[iaafr]

I think I have to believe if we kill Dom the scum in this layer we all get to go back one layer up after the final layer resolves?

[iaafr]

also jack I don't think creatures town in this game man

[iaafr]

I mean I guess all the complainings Towny of him but doesn't he have to do that as scum

meh maybe I was wrong on that one

[iaafr]

also Drago spewed jack town by conventional measures.

and I probably just should've gone with that all game

[iaafr]

(when he shaded him for his creature townread)

[iaafr]

pawns entry on Dom was also strange

he called Dom like overaggressive etc but didn't really link it to how he's scum like he did with his other scumreads

at least iirc im not gonna look yet

it'll be fun to see if I remembered pawns dom thing being weird

I definitely think pawn/Dom makes sense as a pairing

and it might've just been 7v2

[iaafr]

I also believe MacDougall is town, still.

[iaafr]

if there's a third scum in the previous phase I still believe it's radishes

[iaafr]

so jack was 2 for 3 and I got pocketed by both scum for awhile because it's what was convenient for them while everybody else except Eva sussed me

[iaafr]

also Dom, this game phase, has shown awareness of and apparent care for my and Jack's sussing of him but more than once indignantly asked why he should care about pawn bottom 3ing him

[iaafr]

epignosis I completely agree on you on pawn and I was halfway there yesterday but I ended up caving to my emotional needs of having somebody who seemed to understand me

please consider Dom seriously tho, and read him from the lens of a potential partner of pawn.

[iaafr]

I also happen to still think 112 is town even though she had some weird interactions with Drago

she buddied me in a way that felt less like pocketing than pawn and radishes who did it from a distance

[iaafr]

that one's not confident though she is scummy on a decent amount of levels she's a toughie

[iaafr]

alright that's my 1h stream of consciousness

[iaafr]

nah she's locktown 112 is locktown id bet the game on it