Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)
Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..
Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.
I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.
[VOTE:
Elephant] aubergine
It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game
I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.
I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.
Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)
Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..
Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.
I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.
[VOTE:
Elephant] aubergine
It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.
You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.
During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.
You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:15 pm
Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.
Lynch her.
As you told me on D3, you are welcome to try.
Shower and bed at this point.
Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)
Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.
2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112 Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)
3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epi Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)
4: ES, Radish, Sprit
Do you know you were the NK? You were in just as many bottom 3s as Colin by EoD.
I think you were, but if you can confirm it?
(FYI this doesn't exonerate you, considering we knew how the mechanics worked by that stage. But it's a good look.)
Well for starters there is no intelligent world where Colin is the NK. And I still had two votes hard defending me while some other players were consistently in bottom 3s. The odds that it was me over Colin are ridiculously long.
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm
I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.
Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?
I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.
Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.
why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?
@Epignosis , did you have access to this thread during D2?
he did them overnight
I do not understand how your statement is relevant to my question. Could you please explain?
saying you saw Epi reading that thread D2 is angleshooting btw imo and also it's not relevant for the game.
Stop pushing townies with scum logic
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:08 am
Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?
Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.
A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:08 am
Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?
Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.
A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.
Basically a big ol' pile of null.
No, he was in fairly decent danger overall. Like him and Colin were the two most likely to go down overall.
FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.
You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.
During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.
You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:08 am
Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?
Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.
A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.
Basically a big ol' pile of null.
No, he was in fairly decent danger overall. Like him and Colin were the two most likely to go down overall.
When? He was certainly down people's lists when I was in those threads, but it was obvious he wasn't most people's top vote.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:30 am
@Pawn Lelouch please consider my SR on Elephant and give me your feedback.
Will consider it tomorrow. It's 3 am and I'm too tired to ISO anyone. I remember having them fairly low earlier on so I'll see how that shifted since then.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am
@Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.
I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:15 pm
Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.
Lynch her.
As you told me on D3, you are welcome to try.
Shower and bed at this point.
Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)
Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.
2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112 Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)
3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epi Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)
4: ES, Radish, Sprit
Do you know you were the NK? You were in just as many bottom 3s as Colin by EoD.
I think you were, but if you can confirm it?
(FYI this doesn't exonerate you, considering we knew how the mechanics worked by that stage. But it's a good look.)
Well for starters there is no intelligent world where Colin is the NK. And I still had two votes hard defending me while some other players were consistently in bottom 3s. The odds that it was me over Colin are ridiculously long.
I mean, I agree odds are Colin was the lynch, if only because he makes no sense as an MK. But they were not ridiculously long. You were in a lot of bottom 3s by EoD.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:08 am
Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?
Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.
A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.
Basically a big ol' pile of null.
How did you learn that lynches were "kicked up"?
Wording of SloonJay's posts. 'You have submerged to a new level' and 'They are no longer in this dream level' and such. It wasn't hard to figure out.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:08 am
Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?
Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.
A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.
Basically a big ol' pile of null.
No, he was in fairly decent danger overall. Like him and Colin were the two most likely to go down overall.
When? He was certainly down people's lists when I was in those threads, but it was obvious he wasn't most people's top vote.
You and Jack were centered and never hit. Eva and iiafr were safe. They protect me and keep it as a voting block. Sprit had Eva in his corner so I don't think iaafr or I touched him. Epi has a fair few Syndicate members backing him.
So Dom who was pretty much always low and had a very mixed bag and Colin who literally no one town reading him due to no content. They were honestly in a similar position thread wise imo.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:15 pm
Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.
Lynch her.
As you told me on D3, you are welcome to try.
Shower and bed at this point.
Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)
Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.
2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112 Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)
3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epi Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)
4: ES, Radish, Sprit
Do you know you were the NK? You were in just as many bottom 3s as Colin by EoD.
I think you were, but if you can confirm it?
(FYI this doesn't exonerate you, considering we knew how the mechanics worked by that stage. But it's a good look.)
Well for starters there is no intelligent world where Colin is the NK. And I still had two votes hard defending me while some other players were consistently in bottom 3s. The odds that it was me over Colin are ridiculously long.
I mean, I agree odds are Colin was the lynch, if only because he makes no sense as an MK. But they were not ridiculously long. You were in a lot of bottom 3s by EoD.
And I think the power of one third of the players is a rather powerful tool both as a voting block and a general deterrent that you're underestimating.
this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.
You are safe and sound though.
this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.
Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..
Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.
I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.
[VOTE:
Elephant] aubergine
It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:15 pm
Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.
Lynch her.
As you told me on D3, you are welcome to try.
Shower and bed at this point.
Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)
Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.
2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112 Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)
3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epi Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)
4: ES, Radish, Sprit
Do you know you were the NK? You were in just as many bottom 3s as Colin by EoD.
I think you were, but if you can confirm it?
(FYI this doesn't exonerate you, considering we knew how the mechanics worked by that stage. But it's a good look.)
Well for starters there is no intelligent world where Colin is the NK. And I still had two votes hard defending me while some other players were consistently in bottom 3s. The odds that it was me over Colin are ridiculously long.
I mean, I agree odds are Colin was the lynch, if only because he makes no sense as an MK. But they were not ridiculously long. You were in a lot of bottom 3s by EoD.
And I think the power of one third of the players is a rather powerful tool both as a voting block and a general deterrent that you're underestimating.
To be honest this is a silly conversation because I agree with you, just with 70% confidence instead of 100%.
I just wanted to confirm if you knew for sure you were the MK and not the lynch. The answer is no, but you believe very strongly so. I agree.
this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.
You are safe and sound though.
this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.
Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..
Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.
I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.
[VOTE:
Elephant] aubergine
It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game
I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.
I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.
i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?
General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?
Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)
Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.
2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112 Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)
3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epi Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)
4: ES, Radish, Sprit
Do you know you were the NK? You were in just as many bottom 3s as Colin by EoD.
I think you were, but if you can confirm it?
(FYI this doesn't exonerate you, considering we knew how the mechanics worked by that stage. But it's a good look.)
Well for starters there is no intelligent world where Colin is the NK. And I still had two votes hard defending me while some other players were consistently in bottom 3s. The odds that it was me over Colin are ridiculously long.
I mean, I agree odds are Colin was the lynch, if only because he makes no sense as an MK. But they were not ridiculously long. You were in a lot of bottom 3s by EoD.
And I think the power of one third of the players is a rather powerful tool both as a voting block and a general deterrent that you're underestimating.
To be honest this is a silly conversation because I agree with you, just with 70% confidence instead of 100%.
I just wanted to confirm if you knew for sure you were the MK and not the lynch. The answer is no, but you believe very strongly so. I agree.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:08 am
Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?
Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.
A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.
Basically a big ol' pile of null.
No, he was in fairly decent danger overall. Like him and Colin were the two most likely to go down overall.
When? He was certainly down people's lists when I was in those threads, but it was obvious he wasn't most people's top vote.
You and Jack were centered and never hit. Eva and iiafr were safe. They protect me and keep it as a voting block. Sprit had Eva in his corner so I don't think iaafr or I touched him. Epi has a fair few Syndicate members backing him.
So Dom who was pretty much always low and had a very mixed bag and Colin who literally no one town reading him due to no content. They were honestly in a similar position thread wise imo.
I agree he was always low. But no one ever really projected he would be their top choice, just 'one of' their choices.
Nova was not a surprise, Colin was not a surprise. Sprit wouldn't have been a surprise. I'd've been somewhat surprised if Dom was kicked, though, based on how discussions evolved.
Again, I don't think this is a productive conversation. I just disagree with your take on Dom being in danger. He was, but not, like, a lot.
I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.
Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.
why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?
@Epignosis , did you have access to this thread during D2?
he did them overnight
I do not understand how your statement is relevant to my question. Could you please explain?
saying you saw Epi reading that thread D2 is angleshooting btw imo and also it's not relevant for the game.
Stop pushing townies with scum logic
How is "he did them overnight" relevant to the question I asked Epignosis?
Why did you suggest that I should ask what happened? You now say that it is not relevant.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am
@Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.
I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?
Don't worry about that just keep going.
Btw you said your stance on me is clear. I don't think it is. I don't know what your stance on me is at the moment.
It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?
1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am
@Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.
I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?
Don't worry about that just keep going.
Btw you said your stance on me is clear. I don't think it is. I don't know what your stance on me is at the moment.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:30 am
@Pawn Lelouch please consider my SR on Elephant and give me your feedback.
Will consider it tomorrow. It's 3 am and I'm too tired to ISO anyone. I remember having them fairly low earlier on so I'll see how that shifted since then.
FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.
You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.
During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.
You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.
Agreed. Vanity was so pure and whilst I haven't re-read this yet I can't imagine there are not scum here.
It's a bunch of people I'm about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.
Have you read vanity D2-D4, or are you going off a stale read?
Going off a so-far-today read. All five of you have posted. None of you have made yourselves town enough in my eyes yet.
Some of you, I see, voted for both vanity and Spinyboo. Considering they were two of my strongest townreads from D1, I ain't keen on that.
I'm sorry, vanity has not posted today. You wrote that "vanity was so pure", was that based on D0/D1, or have you read vanity D2-D4, like we have? Vanity was lynched with 5 votes on him, and had a wagon of similar size at some point during D3, which suggests that there were several town-aligned players who did not see vanity as "pure". I suggest that you look at what we saw during these days before you pass judgment.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am
@Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.
I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?
Don't worry about that just keep going.
Btw you said your stance on me is clear. I don't think it is. I don't know what your stance on me is at the moment.
he is pocketing you
No I think he suspects me, but I'm really not sure because he nearly towncleared me the other day lol. And no he's not pocketing me bc I would suspect him if not for juliets' influence.
FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.
You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.
During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.
You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.
Agreed. Vanity was so pure and whilst I haven't re-read this yet I can't imagine there are not scum here.
It's a bunch of people I'm about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.
Have you read vanity D2-D4, or are you going off a stale read?
Going off a so-far-today read. All five of you have posted. None of you have made yourselves town enough in my eyes yet.
Some of you, I see, voted for both vanity and Spinyboo. Considering they were two of my strongest townreads from D1, I ain't keen on that.
I'm sorry, vanity has not posted today. You wrote that "vanity was so pure", was that based on D0/D1, or have you read vanity D2-D4, like we have? Vanity was lynched with 5 votes on him, and had a wagon of similar size at some point during D3, which suggests that there were several town-aligned players who did not see vanity as "pure". I suggest that you look at what we saw during these days before you pass judgment.
Seconding this [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] please do your homework before accusing us. Also don't assume scum are responsible for every mislynch. We were wrong, and if you actually read you might begin to understand why.
FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.
You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.
During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.
You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.
Agreed. Vanity was so pure and whilst I haven't re-read this yet I can't imagine there are not scum here.
It's a bunch of people I'm about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.
Have you read vanity D2-D4, or are you going off a stale read?
Going off a so-far-today read. All five of you have posted. None of you have made yourselves town enough in my eyes yet.
Some of you, I see, voted for both vanity and Spinyboo. Considering they were two of my strongest townreads from D1, I ain't keen on that.
I'm sorry, vanity has not posted today. You wrote that "vanity was so pure", was that based on D0/D1, or have you read vanity D2-D4, like we have? Vanity was lynched with 5 votes on him, and had a wagon of similar size at some point during D3, which suggests that there were several town-aligned players who did not see vanity as "pure". I suggest that you look at what we saw during these days before you pass judgment.
Oh, sorry, reading comprehension. I thought you meant the five vanity voters.
Vanity was my strongest townlock on D1. 90% confidence. That was a lynch that should never have happened, IMO, and I *will* pass judgement once I read D2-D4.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:43 am
All you said about Dom is scum behaviour, i would put him very low in the Poe
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:43 am
Eh sounds like town dom to me
Good job team we got this.
Idk how come it's Dom towny for Nutella but I had no chance to Iso latest posts to see why.
I think in the dream we had his posts were pretty clear as mafia pushes.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:21 am
You guys also lynched Spiny, another strong D1 TR I had.
I just don't trust your guys' judgements. I'll reconsider when I get a chance to read the 50 pages I missed.
Yes please do.
Fwiw, as you'll find, I flipped back and forth on vanity A LOT. I fiercely townread him when nobody else did. And yet I ultimately decided he needed to flip. It was a rough few days.
It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game
I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.
I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.
i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?
General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?
My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am
@Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.
I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?
Don't worry about that just keep going.
Btw you said your stance on me is clear. I don't think it is. I don't know what your stance on me is at the moment.
he is pocketing you
No I think he suspects me, but I'm really not sure because he nearly towncleared me the other day lol. And no he's not pocketing me bc I would suspect him if not for juliets' influence.
How come he tells me you are clear then? Is Juliet confirmed villager? Why is her oppinion weighing that much for you? iirc you said this before
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?
e
1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.
1. I don't understand. Again, you refuse to explain.
3. I disagree with you: I believe that powerwolfing is voting on wagons, not off them. The D3 wagons were both town; lynching Ty4on was objectively worse for us. We do not know that the D3 lynch was randed because there is a doublevoter on the role list. I did not lie.
4. I said you did not *read* the ISO. I did not ask you to write an ISO case. You did not read my post history before accusing me.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.
What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game
I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.
I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.
i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?
General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?
My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?
No you cannot say i refused to answer because all i did since you came itt is to answer you sau this is fake and ill intended.
Your last question is a shade I don't deserve because I answered to your questions while you avoided to provide reads a townie should have.
Nothing about your Quin read progression?
What about Nutella's read progression she said is changing?
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am
@Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.
I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?
Don't worry about that just keep going.
Btw you said your stance on me is clear. I don't think it is. I don't know what your stance on me is at the moment.
he is pocketing you
No I think he suspects me, but I'm really not sure because he nearly towncleared me the other day lol. And no he's not pocketing me bc I would suspect him if not for juliets' influence.
That is a good description. I suspect you, but I have to go against town feels for everyone left in our group.
Speaking of which, @Long Con owes me a walkthrough of how TL's ISO matches a scum perspective.
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game
I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.
I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.
i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?
General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?
My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?
No you cannot say i refused to answer because all i did since you came itt is to answer you sau this is fake and ill intended.
Your last question is a shade I don't deserve because I answered to your questions while you avoided to provide reads a townie should have.
Nothing about your Quin read progression?
What about Nutella's read progression she said is changing?
Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
This is the question you have refused to answer twice. Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?
e
1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.
1. I don't understand. Again, you refuse to explain.
3. I disagree with you: I believe that powerwolfing is voting on wagons, not off them. The D3 wagons were both town; lynching Ty4on was objectively worse for us. We do not know that the D3 lynch was randed because there is a doublevoter on the role list. I did not lie.
4. I said you did not *read* the ISO. I did not ask you to write an ISO case. You did not read my post history before accusing me.
1. Your narrative you pushed against Vanity was efficient and you succeed to mislynch him. Why you don't understand mere words?
3. You keep trying to talk generalities instead game related content. I see through this trick.
When i firstly said you are scum on this day I came with my old read on you since day 1 when it was just a small voice inside my head, and after in d2 I reread in Epi's cases your posts and I made a ferm scum read on you. I had no chance to read your latest posts until this morning because I couldn't see this thread and Sod was at midnight. I even didn't know the deads and flips so I had to Iso JJJ first.
Your Iso and the art of wolfing who made Vanity mislynched (I have to say again you are a tough guy never powerless) all this I read them while playing and interacting. There may be tl;dr because you posted way too much general things I reffuse to read.
Game related you are howling.
Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game
I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.
I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.
i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?
General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?
My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?
No you cannot say i refused to answer because all i did since you came itt is to answer you sau this is fake and ill intended.
Your last question is a shade I don't deserve because I answered to your questions while you avoided to provide reads a townie should have.
Nothing about your Quin read progression?
What about Nutella's read progression she said is changing?
Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
This is the question you have refused to answer twice. Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?
idc about both your questions, the Mendel one is not game related and the Quin one is irrelevant for your playstyle because you mistakingly think this is a method of readin you from what i saw.
What progression do you have about Quin and Nutella?
Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am
@Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.
I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?
Don't worry about that just keep going.
Btw you said your stance on me is clear. I don't think it is. I don't know what your stance on me is at the moment.
he is pocketing you
No I think he suspects me, but I'm really not sure because he nearly towncleared me the other day lol. And no he's not pocketing me bc I would suspect him if not for juliets' influence.
That is a good description. I suspect you, but I have to go against town feels for everyone left in our group.
Speaking of which, @Long Con owes me a walkthrough of how TL's ISO matches a scum perspective.
wait what? You said me she is clear? Do you suspect a clear player?
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?
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1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.
1. I don't understand. Again, you refuse to explain.
3. I disagree with you: I believe that powerwolfing is voting on wagons, not off them. The D3 wagons were both town; lynching Ty4on was objectively worse for us. We do not know that the D3 lynch was randed because there is a doublevoter on the role list. I did not lie.
4. I said you did not *read* the ISO. I did not ask you to write an ISO case. You did not read my post history before accusing me.
1. Your narrative you pushed against Vanity was efficient and you succeed to mislynch him. Why you don't understand mere words?
3. You keep trying to talk generalities instead game related content. I see through this trick.
When i firstly said you are scum on this day I came with my old read on you since day 1 when it was just a small voice inside my head, and after in d2 I reread in Epi's cases your posts and I made a ferm scum read on you. I had no chance to read your latest posts until this morning because I couldn't see this thread and Sod was at midnight. I even didn't know the deads and flips so I had to Iso JJJ first.
Your Iso and the art of wolfing who made Vanity mislynched (I have to say again you are a tough guy never powerless) all this I read them while playing and interacting. There may be tl;dr because you posted way too much general things I reffuse to read.
Game related you are howling.
1. "The narrative was efficient". I know an engine can be efficient, or a method can be efficient, but I do not understand how a narrative can be efficient. I do not know what the word "efficient" means when you apply it to the word "narrative". Could you say that with different words?
3. I do not talk generalities, I refer to a specific in-game event.
You appear to have gone at this with a bias. Nothing I say now will be able to change that.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:35 am
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game
I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.
I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.
i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?
General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?
My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?
No you cannot say i refused to answer because all i did since you came itt is to answer you sau this is fake and ill intended.
Your last question is a shade I don't deserve because I answered to your questions while you avoided to provide reads a townie should have.
Nothing about your Quin read progression?
What about Nutella's read progression she said is changing?
Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
This is the question you have refused to answer twice. Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?
idc about both your questions, the Mendel one is not game related and the Quin one is irrelevant for your playstyle because you mistakingly think this is a method of readin you from what i saw.
What progression do you have about Quin and Nutella?
Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?
You used "overexplaining" as a reason to scumread me, so clearly it is a "method of reading" for you. I am challenging this method. Just answer my questions, please.
You saw my day-end post on Quin, that's what I have. It's not much.
I just answered nutella, the compkete progression is in my post history and takes a long time to write down.
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:19 pm
lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3
because it's the same wall of reads he's been posting every day since literally the start of D2, and I am salty that this has been good enough to let him pass for town for this entire time
I am town, Pawn is town, Rabbit is town, Epi is scum, Radishes is scum.
You're upset because I've been repeating things about Dragomir that the vast majority of people have not had a chance to hear?
And I'm bad for that?
You are not a civilian. And if you are, you are one who needs to rethink her strategy.
why would anyone who isn't a wolf be namedropping dragomir this far into the game? who even remembers d1 at this point?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?
e
1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.
1. I don't understand. Again, you refuse to explain.
3. I disagree with you: I believe that powerwolfing is voting on wagons, not off them. The D3 wagons were both town; lynching Ty4on was objectively worse for us. We do not know that the D3 lynch was randed because there is a doublevoter on the role list. I did not lie.
4. I said you did not *read* the ISO. I did not ask you to write an ISO case. You did not read my post history before accusing me.
1. Your narrative you pushed against Vanity was efficient and you succeed to mislynch him. Why you don't understand mere words?
3. You keep trying to talk generalities instead game related content. I see through this trick.
When i firstly said you are scum on this day I came with my old read on you since day 1 when it was just a small voice inside my head, and after in d2 I reread in Epi's cases your posts and I made a ferm scum read on you. I had no chance to read your latest posts until this morning because I couldn't see this thread and Sod was at midnight. I even didn't know the deads and flips so I had to Iso JJJ first.
Your Iso and the art of wolfing who made Vanity mislynched (I have to say again you are a tough guy never powerless) all this I read them while playing and interacting. There may be tl;dr because you posted way too much general things I reffuse to read.
Game related you are howling.
1. "The narrative was efficient". I know an engine can be efficient, or a method can be efficient, but I do not understand how a narrative can be efficient. I do not know what the word "efficient" means when you apply it to the word "narrative". Could you say that with different words?
3. I do not talk generalities, I refer to a specific in-game event.
You appear to have gone at this with a bias. Nothing I say now will be able to change that.
last answer for now
1. You play innocent? Okay. I am saying you constructed a narrative who's finality was the Vanity mislynch, and because of that it was efficient for you as wolf. Being the amount of useless questions you put and non game related answers I am convinced you are scum
3. Where is Mendel in this specific in-game "event". Who is the one with bias here? You want to proove an inexistent thing and push for the same idea not game related instead constructing a way to solve the game. This is wolftactic.
the only person authorised to read my meta is speedchuck thank you all very much goodnight
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.
