Inception [END]

[nutella]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

no??

[Jackofhearts2005]

For the record, this convinced me I was possibly backwards on Radishes and Eva.

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This was my case from Limbo:

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The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)

Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

And these posts all made Eva look bad.


*gestures to entire page 5 of her iso*

Ok

What? No snide comment this time?

[nutella]

I did no such thing.

[iaafr]

ok well if texas was the mason

evas still town she was so fucknig towny in phases 2 and 3 and even 1 where she sussed me for hating my reads etc

vote pawn over eva if you wanna kill one of the two

[nutella]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

then nutellas scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

he's talking out his ass or he misinterpreted something. I never did any such thing.

[iaafr]

if nutellas obvtown or something i still think quins a good vote

who thinks quins town and why

[sprityo]

This game has been very shouty and insulty.

Ripe with emotion, I like it

Can’t wait until it’s done and we can all have a good laugh

[Jackofhearts2005]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

no??

I rescind my Nutella townread then.

Spoiler: show

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Spoiler: show

Not really.

[nutella]

nutella-- let's focus on something more productive.

is pawn bad or nah

I think he could be in a crazy powerwolf scenario, but at the moment I think he's more likely town? idk really

[Quin]

if nutellas obvtown or something i still think quins a good vote

who thinks quins town and why

maybe i'm biased but i'm pretty sure he's town

[nutella]

like read spinys iso theres no way nutellas the mason over eva

Lmao I suspected spiny. I contributed to boo's mislynch. I have no idea where jack got that from

[Dom]

Literally!

I see you changed your undertitle.

I did it by myself like a big boi :nod:

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

I'm tired of being productive, Dom. I'm not fond of a lot of what I'm seeing. I know you aren't either.

Hence my comment.

I'm going to bed.

I get that.
But I want to win. I haven't won in a minute.

[Quin]

holy shit dom and iaafr are masons

[iaafr]

alright gonna take that 2 minutes of no response as meaning that literally nobody thinks quin is town and yet he isnt a wagon because hes scum

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

boom

[iaafr]

i only know my own alignment in this game

[nutella]

Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.

Someone (thought it was Nutella) loudly doubted the “Eva is a mason” theory.

I loudly doubted it, but not for that reason lol.

[Epignosis]

We'll win Dom. Let's do this.

[Epignosis]

But for now let's do a piss and a sleep.

[Epignosis]

Not together.

[nutella]

yes im scum vote me out

[iaafr]

spiny was so towny gosh darn it guys

[iaafr]

holy shit dom and iaafr are masons

this is not a natural town thought this is a scum thought that thinks it might pass as a town thought

[Dom]

holy shit dom and iaafr are masons

[iaafr]

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

[nutella]

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

what is this?

[Dom]

Not together.

[Quin]

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

look you can't just vote for me over and over again and expect something to happen

[nutella]

holy shit dom and iaafr are masons

is that was he was saying

what??

are there two sets of masons

I'm so goddamn lost lmao

[Dom]

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

what is this?

You haven't spent the better part of the game trying to make any sense of this. I have.

[nutella]

i only know my own alignment in this game

Lol but you said you were scum. Lynch all liars

[Quin]

holy shit dom and iaafr are masons

is that was he was saying

what??

are there two sets of masons

I'm so goddamn lost lmao

honestly i haven't got a clue it was just the first thing to pop into my head and i don't have a very good brain to mouth filter

[nutella]

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

what is this?

You haven't spent the better part of the game trying to make any sense of this. I have.

of what? quin vs iaafr? can you help me out a lil

[Quin]

hey nutella we're on the same page right now though right

i like having secret conversations

[Dom]

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

what is this?

You haven't spent the better part of the game trying to make any sense of this. I have.

of what? quin vs iaafr? can you help me out a lil

nah.
just iaafr.

[Evenstar]

@Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?

'cause they are Pawn, and also Town

Is there any substance to this or just your random read?

Pawn and I are like personal nemeses at this point. If you can't trust our reads on each other, you can't trust anyone's.

You are in The Syndicate now. Your views on each other do not carry any weight when Pawn's vote is still on me.

From my perspective, he's lazy mafia. Get him to do better. Otherwise I don't need him.

Why are you telling me this?

[nutella]

holy shit dom and iaafr are masons

is that was he was saying

what??

are there two sets of masons

I'm so goddamn lost lmao

honestly i haven't got a clue it was just the first thing to pop into my head and i don't have a very good brain to mouth filter

gotcha, real

[iaafr]

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

look you can't just vote for me over and over again and expect something to happen

if it happens it happens i have no impetus to provide impetus

[nutella]

hey nutella we're on the same page right now though right

i like having secret conversations

uhh I don't think I'm on any page rn I'm in a sea of conflicting ideas

[Epignosis]

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

what is this?

You haven't spent the better part of the game trying to make any sense of this. I have.

It's a goddamn nightmare.

I'll say this. If iaafr is lynched...

...

...

...

...

okay.

[Quin]

dickbutt

oh shit i hit 10k and missed it completely

[nutella]

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

what is this?

You haven't spent the better part of the game trying to make any sense of this. I have.

of what? quin vs iaafr? can you help me out a lil

nah.
just iaafr.

so you think he's scum? is that what you're saying? can you elaborate?

[Evenstar]

ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote

[mention]iaafr[/mention]

vote nutella, she's MLed 3 town

[Jackofhearts2005]

Geezus ya’ll have no senses of humor at all.

Quin was joking about the Dom/Rabbit mason thing.

[Epignosis]

ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote

@iaafr

vote nutella, she's MLed 3 town

Who else did? Make a list.

[iaafr]

Can iaafr be scum here?

*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.

what is this?

You haven't spent the better part of the game trying to make any sense of this. I have.

of what? quin vs iaafr? can you help me out a lil

nah.
just iaafr.

so you think he's scum? is that what you're saying? can you elaborate?

they pushed me and i got tilted about the game in really obnoxious ways and then epi condescended to me for two days straight and then i raged out

[nutella]

ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote

@iaafr

vote nutella, she's MLed 3 town

because that's a great reason

[Quin]

Geezus ya’ll have no senses of humor at all.

Quin was joking about the Dom/Rabbit mason thing.

i don't deserve you, jack

[iaafr]

has anyone done NK analysis on the n2 and n3 kills

[iaafr]

somebody link me to the best bits of analysis off flips

[iaafr]

its good for the thread, do it for the game, don't just do it for me