Inception [END]

[Master Radishes]

I get what you're saying and I'm not going to hard defend Rabbit. I just still view him as town more likely than not based on macro play.

[MacDougall]

The Dom/Eva fight seems to start with Eva misunderstanding “you’re so bad (scum)” to mean “you’re so bad (at this game, you sucky newb)” and that makes her abrasive which makes him abrasive plus they scumread each other.

There’s no way Dom is ever scum with Eva. Eva does in the middle of the fight realize the above paragraph all by herself, which could be Epi interjecting the misunderstanding via btsc.

I feel like I’m constantly justifying an Epi scumread I don’t actually have because Dom is so sure a lot of stuff here is town indicative for Epi and I disagree.

I just am more sure of iaafr being bad and I view Epi and iaafr as incompatible.

Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.

Can you respond to the whole Eva spent days convincing us iaafr was the double voter and iaafr didn't seem to give a shit thing or?

Lol no. I guess you should ask iaafr what the dealio is there. He just is giving me the vibes of le town.

[Master Radishes]

I'm curious what [mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention] 's play was regarding nutella. I assumed she had role info or something. But clearly not.

[MacDougall]

Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.

Explain how Iaafr is town. Is it because he decided he’s going to sheep you on everything instead of playing?

If everyone did that we'd probs win tbh.

[MacDougall]

Epi insisted on not considering Eva (or Elephant, I think?) but in a plausibly deniable manner. There's a real potential connection there of someone trying to sway the town away from his scummates but without tying himself to them too closely.

Epi was a counterwagon near EoD1. Does anyone remember (or have the time to check) how that fell apart?

I started it. A few (2 or 3) people sheeped me including Evenstar. It didn't take off so it died.

[Dom]

The Dom/Eva fight seems to start with Eva misunderstanding “you’re so bad (scum)” to mean “you’re so bad (at this game, you sucky newb)” and that makes her abrasive which makes him abrasive plus they scumread each other.

There’s no way Dom is ever scum with Eva. Eva does in the middle of the fight realize the above paragraph all by herself, which could be Epi interjecting the misunderstanding via btsc.

I feel like I’m constantly justifying an Epi scumread I don’t actually have because Dom is so sure a lot of stuff here is town indicative for Epi and I disagree.

I just am more sure of iaafr being bad and I view Epi and iaafr as incompatible.

Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.

Can you respond to the whole Eva spent days convincing us iaafr was the double voter and iaafr didn't seem to give a shit thing or?

Lol no. I guess you should ask iaafr what the dealio is there. He just is giving me the vibes of le town.

I have.
He has only mimed what Radishes described and not responded to further inquiry.
Why?

Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.

Explain how Iaafr is town. Is it because he decided he’s going to sheep you on everything instead of playing?

If everyone did that we'd probs win tbh.

Spare me.

[Master Radishes]

Actually, Mac...

fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

why the fuck is epi wagoned

She express disbelief again later. The votes swing away from Epi, though, and Eva lands on 112, not Drago.

[Dom]

Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.

[Dom]

And if you were Eva's team, what a safe place to vote yesterday.

Mac, you're not a huge scum read for me, but cool it

[Hyena]

read TL's iso a little closer and uh

why is he so sure the extra kills are 3p and hwy is he so fixated on it

thats pretty scummy shit lmao

Because he's probably the Vig and because he probably knows what nights he shot at someone. :P

[Jackofhearts2005]

Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.

Explain how Iaafr is town. Is it because he decided he’s going to sheep you on everything instead of playing?

If everyone did that we'd probs win tbh.

If you die, he’s supposed to sheep your towncore (which I have decided I am part of).

So what you’re saying is that everyone should sheep me for the win and I’m saying we should lynch Iaafr.

[Hyena]

Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.

I have voted for Dragomir AND Elephant AND Eva. Does that mean I have a good record? Like, what constitutes having a good voting record and how is it AI on its own? Nutella helped mislynched THREE townies, as Eva would put it, while you and others were gone in a different thread. Is her voting record better than Mac's?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually, Mac...

fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

why the fuck is epi wagoned

She express disbelief again later. The votes swing away from Epi, though, and Eva lands on 112, not Drago.

Eva might be mafia, then.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.

Better than champs finals.

*ducks*

[Hyena]

Epi insisted on not considering Eva (or Elephant, I think?) but in a plausibly deniable manner. There's a real potential connection there of someone trying to sway the town away from his scummates but without tying himself to them too closely.

Epi was a counterwagon near EoD1. Does anyone remember (or have the time to check) how that fell apart?

I started it. A few (2 or 3) people sheeped me including Evenstar. It didn't take off so it died.

I was on it for a little bit.

[Dom]

Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.

I have voted for Dragomir AND Elephant AND Eva. Does that mean I have a good record? Like, what constitutes having a good voting record and how is it AI on its own? Nutella helped mislynched THREE townies, as Eva would put it, while you and others were gone in a different thread. Is her voting record better than Mac's?

Nutella wasn't boasting about how right she was about everything.

[Dom]

Hyena-- you are willfully misconsruing the point of that post.

[Master Radishes]

Actually, Mac...

fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

why the fuck is epi wagoned

She express disbelief again later. The votes swing away from Epi, though, and Eva lands on 112, not Drago.

Eva might be mafia, then.

Eh, still townreading her.

Epi, on the other hand...

[Hyena]

Also...

@Elephant one thing about vanity that seems to point to him being town is he wouldn't self-pres. Do you think that was a ploy to get people to move off of him?

I have a feeling that vanity knew he didn't need to self-preserve, but I don't yet know if I'm allowed to explain it. Please have patience.

I noticed earlier that nutella has voted on all the lynches, including the two lynches that are tied. We have always assumed that these lynches were randomly decided, but there is no evidence for it. If nutella is the Doublevoter, then both ties would have been broken by her. Juliets and Creature also voted on Ty4on, but not on Boo, so they cannot be doublevoters. Since the "inception team" have a role cop, they could well have copped a top town like nutella. In that event, the scum would have been aware that the tied wagons were actually not lynching vanity, and vanity could safely grandstand a no-self-preservation.

If this is true, then nutella is subconscious-aligned. As a far-fetched alternative, the 3rd party might also have doublevoting ability. Vanity asked earlier about the independent cop, maybe that is a possibility. But I expect nutella to the town doublevoter, and scum know this. Obviously, nutella must not confirm or deny her role!

there's a good chance nutella was rolecopped one night considering Elephant "guessed" correctly that Nutella was the double voter. This could imply people (Eva in this case) could use actions on people in other threads (nutella in this case).

[Hyena]

Hyena-- you are willfully misconsruing the point of that post.

I didn't read the entire interaction. Sorry about that. ;-;

[juliets]

[mention]Hyena[/mention] you, like me, have been away from Mac since Day 1 yet you seem to have a strong feeling about Mac's townieness. (I haven't been able to sort him yet.) What gives you that strong feeling or am I misreading you?

[MacDougall]

Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.

I voted for Elephant for a bit. Vote record is kinda irrelevant though unless it's there at eod.

[juliets]

Also let's say iaafr is town for a minute. Why is he voting Pawn?

[MacDougall]

Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.

I have voted for Dragomir AND Elephant AND Eva. Does that mean I have a good record? Like, what constitutes having a good voting record and how is it AI on its own? Nutella helped mislynched THREE townies, as Eva would put it, while you and others were gone in a different thread. Is her voting record better than Mac's?

Nutella wasn't boasting about how right she was about everything.

I made one semi jokey post.

[MacDougall]

@Hyena you, like me, have been away from Mac since Day 1 yet you seem to have a strong feeling about Mac's townieness. (I haven't been able to sort him yet.) What gives you that strong feeling or am I misreading you?

Hyena must be the cop!

[MacDougall]

I want to hear more from Trusty Vigeral.

[Master Radishes]

Also let's say iaafr is town for a minute. Why is he voting Pawn?

Because in a pocketed!Iaafr world, Pawn is scummy?

[juliets]

Also let's say iaafr is town for a minute. Why is he voting Pawn?

Because in a pocketed!Iaafr world, Pawn is scummy?

So Eva was anti-Pawn in the dream levels?

[Master Radishes]

Eva's 'push' on Pawn in D3(?) raised alarm bells for me. They insist they read each other really well, and Pawn kept telling me Eva was town every time I raised the issue.

[Master Radishes]

Also let's say iaafr is town for a minute. Why is he voting Pawn?

Because in a pocketed!Iaafr world, Pawn is scummy?

So Eva was anti-Pawn in the dream levels?

The three of them were a pretty solid bloc. At one point I even spicy-taked them a scum team. But I doubt all three are scum. I'd peg pawn to be Eva's partner before Rabbit.

[juliets]

Eva's 'push' on Pawn in D3(?) raised alarm bells for me. They insist they read each other really well, and Pawn kept telling me Eva was town every time I raised the issue.

It raised alarm bells for you about Eva or about Pawn or both? Remember I'm missing all info from days 2, 3, and 4 in the dream levels.

[juliets]

Also let's say iaafr is town for a minute. Why is he voting Pawn?

Because in a pocketed!Iaafr world, Pawn is scummy?

So Eva was anti-Pawn in the dream levels?

The three of them were a pretty solid bloc. At one point I even spicy-taked them a scum team. But I doubt all three are scum. I'd peg pawn to be Eva's partner before Rabbit.

Oh ok never mind the next question I asked you. This clarified.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

read TL's iso a little closer and uh

why is he so sure the extra kills are 3p and hwy is he so fixated on it

thats pretty scummy shit lmao

Claims to read iso closely but ignores me explaining why three or four times in the same Iso I the same area of posts.

Iaafr after last night and this why should I town read you Mac claims your town for Eve interactions but I think the only one who was cleared 100% by interaction was Michelle but they were night killed.

[juliets]

Also let's say iaafr is town for a minute. Why is he voting Pawn?

Because in a pocketed!Iaafr world, Pawn is scummy?

So Eva was anti-Pawn in the dream levels?

The three of them were a pretty solid bloc. At one point I even spicy-taked them a scum team. But I doubt all three are scum. I'd peg pawn to be Eva's partner before Rabbit.

Hmmm. So who should we be looking at today? Pawn? Or someone else? Maybe you've said and I forgot.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

I want to hear more from Trusty Vigeral.

What do you wanna hear exactly was thinking of taking a nap just home now

[112]

Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

So can I just say when you link that i can't see it at all.
Most likely Same for people that were on my level.

[112]

Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

the point i made then still stands- everyone actually scummy is within your null tier

[112]

Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

So can I just say when you link that i can't see it at all.
Most likely Same for people that were on my level.

i didn't link it- was quoting jack, who linked

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

So can I just say when you link that i can't see it at all.
Most likely Same for people that were on my level.

i didn't link it- was quoting jack, who linked

Waa more pointing out i can read links to the other sides as i don't have promisions and was hoping that someone that does could atleast repost the refored to list.

[juliets]

Btw 112 Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

So can I just say when you link that i can't see it at all.
Most likely Same for people that were on my level.

Yes [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] TLib is right - I can't see it either.

[MacDougall]

read TL's iso a little closer and uh

why is he so sure the extra kills are 3p and hwy is he so fixated on it

thats pretty scummy shit lmao

Claims to read iso closely but ignores me explaining why three or four times in the same Iso I the same area of posts.

Iaafr after last night and this why should I town read you Mac claims your town for Eve interactions but I think the only one who was cleared 100% by interaction was Michelle but they were night killed.

I didn't say that mate

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

Radishes essentially claimed 3P. Do you think Iaafr is town?

You said my nulls were all scum and a bunch of them flipped town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.



Mongrels.

what rainbow?

viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

the point i made then still stands- everyone actually scummy is within your null tier

Lol bullshit!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Except Pawn.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]juliets[/mention]
[mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention]

Any post where the header is cut off is something I said.

https://imgur.com/a/6fg0B3P

At the end of this 112 basically walked back the scumread on it and didn’t actually put forth reasoning for why any scum were in the wrong spot on my list but I can’t seem to find it atm. Rabbit awarded 112 townpoints for these posts.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wait. My screenshots are out of order and some are missing

[Master Radishes]

Radishes essentially claimed 3P.

No I didn't.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wtf imgur? I’ve uploaded the same string of pictures 3 times and they keep coming out the other end in the wrong order and the mobile rearrange button is broken.

[juliets]

Wtf imgur? I’ve uploaded the same string of pictures 3 times and they keep coming out the other end in the wrong order and the mobile rearrange button is broken.

It's ok Jack I can get the gist of it. Thank you for posting.