Inception [END]

[iaafr]

fence = sat

[iaafr]

if we're being level 1 here hyena has a horrible sus and pushing record and pawn has a great one (both drago and elephant on d1) except for defending eva, which i also did

him lowefforting like this at this point kinda sucks either way tho

but uh if he feels like he's outed scum who's going to get lynched after me but he doesnt need to do anything because im the desginated ML then what he's doing makes sense?

[iaafr]

still have no clue really but you guys dont either unless epi/pawn scum then a lot of u can say u were onto them i guess

[Lady LambdaDelta]

Feel free to lynch me today fi you need to.

but if you dont lynch me today, dont lynch me later. I don't really wanna be used by scum as a mislynch to win later so

I dont even know whether a 2 day clock is available given the numbers but I have to assume it is.

Lynch me today or tomorrow if you are ever going to. Otherwise, don't.

[Lady LambdaDelta]

As for reads dont know don't care. I was wrong on Nutella, Im willing to die for it. I was thinking of 180ing today to try and read from that but honestly I canna be arsed so

[Lady LambdaDelta]

If I'm still alive after this round of votes and shoots Ill come back tomorrow and maybe Ill say something.

but you shouldnt lynch or spare me based on that or any promise of content

[Lady LambdaDelta]

[VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta] aubergine

I'll leave my vote here for the next two cycles.

[Lady LambdaDelta]

Pawn on the other hand needs to die for not being on Eva. Its not that I think Pawn is perfect on Eva, its more that their percent chance on Eva is significantly higher than others and so they probably have decent equity here, especially since I can't remember them taking a strong stance on Eva either way

[Lady LambdaDelta]

Not today.... maybe not even tomorrow.

Just.... Pawn needs to be marked for death and not let to slide.

[Quin]

i guess quins gonna vote me too huh

i guess this is it man my first ml

o well i pretty much deserve it

mate i swear to fuck

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

[Quin]

i've been feelin it all game tbh time to do it to em

[juliets]

Oh I should have asked @MacDougall too, Mac please read my previous post ^.

No they both seem town. Do they have to be w/t for some reason I am unaware of?

The assumption I made earlier in the thread is Dom is never scum with iaafr because of the level of hostility between them in level you guys were in. I haven't actually seen the argument but I trust the people that are telling me it was really bad. If I've made a wrong assumption tell me.

What does that have to do with the possibility of them both being town? You sound like someone with TMI to me.

lol and you look like someone trying to find an excuse to throw shade at me.

I do understand what you're saying though, they can be t/t. I was just thinking about it wrong.

Is your butt sore from all that fence sitting?

I'm not fence sitting. I'm just saying that Mac's logic that you can both be town even though you can't be w/w is correct. I'm still voting for iaafr.

[juliets]

the syndicate isnt all scum but the syndicate all wants to ML me except mac

which is fine i guess whatever i antagonized the syndicate a bit

You have not antagonized me at all.

[juliets]

So the 3p thinks I'm scum? The one who killed nutella? Why do you think that [mention]Master Radishes[/mention]?

[juliets]

I am a little concerned that all of us on iaafr are from the syndicate. The people who know him better than us are not voting for him. It seems odd and makes me worry a bit.

[sprityo]

So the 3p thinks I'm scum? The one who killed nutella? Why do you think that Master Radishes?

How do you know he's indy? or are you just labeling him as such?

[juliets]

I have marked Pawn, Quin, and Dom off my list to consider because Michelle seemed so adamant about them. Also Quin and Dom I tone read as town.

[juliets]

So the 3p thinks I'm scum? The one who killed nutella? Why do you think that Master Radishes?

How do you know he's indy? or are you just labeling him as such?

Based on what people were saying about him earlier. In fact I thought you thought he was 3p - am I wrong?

[juliets]

[mention]Hyena[/mention] could you walk me through your thinking when you were voting at the end of last EOD? As a reminder, here is what the voting looked like in the last few minutes:

5:21 - Elephant votes Elephant
5:23 - iaafr votes Hyena
5:33 - Hyena votes Hyena
5:38 - Hyena votes Elephant
5:42 - Dom votes Hyena
5:44 - iaafr votes Long Con
5:46 - Hyena votes Hyena
5:47 - Hyena votes Elephant
5:50 - Dom votes Elephant
5:58 - Elephant votes Michelle

You voted for yourself and 5 minutes later voted Elephant. I thought you thought Elephant was town? The a few minutes later you voted yourself again and 1 minute later voted Elephant. What was the point of that? Just tell me what was going through your mind during these votes.

[juliets]

I'm off to work will return mid-afternoon.

[Epignosis]

If we're saying there's a wolf in Epi/Rabbit, I lean towards Epi. I can't quite get over how subtly but firmly he was saying 'no' to lynching Eva, how he apparently did the same for Elephant (I still haven't checked to verify), and how he was on the 112 wagon in D1. He's not actually found any scum at all so far, despite looking like he's doing a lot of work to do so.

"Looking like."

[Epignosis]

epig/pawn compatible as well?

No.

[Epignosis]

i guess hats off to eva for apparently spewing me as her partner to NOOBS

You were happy to accept the bullshit she said about you and you let everybody buy it.

That makes you complicit.

[Epignosis]

Iaafr i do see where your coming from not alot of resistance to your lynch which makes me feel you are likely not scum Town reading Mac and he would be your partner if you were.

How much resistance would you expect from a largely decimated mafia faction?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Iaafr i do see where your coming from not alot of resistance to your lynch which makes me feel you are likely not scum Town reading Mac and he would be your partner if you were.

How much resistance would you expect from a largely decimated mafia faction?

I would expect something.
They are hurting and can"t really afford another lose today because of it.
But the person defending Iaafr really is just Mac which doesn't"t seem like the pairing we are fighting.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

What’s the second list?

That list is trusted most to least on the wagon

[Trustworthy Liberal]

but michelle liked TL and idk whatever

Alot of people are liking me and its scary i went from Number 1 lynch target to Everyone's best friend doesn't happen much if at all.

BUT its a nice change of pace let me ask what your current thought on me is from you

i think your focus on mech seems crutchy and im wondering if you have any reads or thoughts on the game that arent predicated on mech

you lean scummy and youre compatible with pawn who found something that made you look good but its not really damning even if pawn flips scum

For the first part to all have Epi and iaafr's days 2-4.

I don't and as such am stuck focusing on different parts I like focusing I mechanicals I this situation they help us know what we are fighting and a way to combat it.

Also pawn isn't the only one that said stuff of mine was good for later records.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Okay starting work be back on me break in 4 hours approximately

[Jackofhearts2005]

I found Kahlua I didn't even know I had. Huzzah! Black Russians all around (for me).

[Epignosis]

Damn, I'm dumb. I've been questioning whether there are five or six mafia involved. But the first page says:

The roles listed below appear in the game in some capacity.

Janitor
Role Cop
Godfather
Strongman
Roleblocker
Vanilla

If I'm reading this correctly, it can only mean there are six mafia members, which means there are three remaining: Janitor, Strongman, and Vanilla.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I can't convince you.

my final reads today because I may sleep at Eod
Elephant lock scum
scum leans LLD, Hyena

town: Quin, Pawn, Dom
town leans: Nutella, Jack.Eve, Epi

I am almost prepared to accept this as gospel and move on.

It's clear to me that the mafia assumed Michelle was the alignment checker.

Let's start here.

Quin, Pawn and Dom off the table.

I realize that isn't helpful, but it is to me.

Assuming Michelle was the alignment checker, then she used her "leans" to show those she had no info on but had an opinion on based on what she checked.

It aligns nicely, I must say. I'm following this.

I’ll probably follow this idea unless we get a couple of mislynches that point to a wrong poe or Epi flips wolf which points to this being bullshit.

[Jackofhearts2005]

the syndicate isnt all scum but the syndicate all wants to ML me except mac

which is fine i guess whatever i antagonized the syndicate a bit

Lol yes. That is the reason you’re being lynched.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta] aubergine

I'll leave my vote here for the next two cycles.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have marked Pawn, Quin, and Dom off my list to consider because Michelle seemed so adamant about them. Also Quin and Dom I tone read as town.

I think the idea that Pawn, Quin and Dom are all town and Michelle either copped them or the mafia thought Michelle copped them so they janitored her to keep her from confirming them via her flip has merit.

[Epignosis]

At this stage, it's critical to determine those that should probably not be lynched under any circumstances.

Dom - As I said previously, I'd wager money Dom is good, and Michelle called him good.

Quin - Michelle called him good.

Pawn - If I had to lynch one of Michelle's three good guys, it'd be Pawn, but I don't have to, so there. Michelle called him good.

juliets - I maintain my Day 1 stance regarding juliets.

Epignosis - I include myself on this list to comment again on why it would be a mistake to lynch me. I understand the suspicion- I get it. However, if you ultimately choose to vote for me, you will have to do so believing all of these things:

Spoiler: show

1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.

2. I went through everyone's interactions with Dragomir, only to have my teammate shit on them instead of using them to guide civilian lynches. Rather than use my contributions to guide civilians into making mistakes, Evenstar dismissed them and instead used that effort as the basis for her trying to get me lynched.

3. Evenstar, who voted 112 instead of Dragomir and who voted Hyena instead of Elephant, was perfectly okay with lynching me and actively pushed for that to happen throughout the phase.

4. I went out of my way Day 2 to make Dom upset.

You need to reconcile those four points before you vote for me.

++++

That leaves the following eleven.

112
Hyena
iaafr
Jackofhearts2005
Lady Lambdadelta
Long Con
MacDougall
Master Radishes
ColinIsCool
sprityo
Trustworthy Liberal

I will try to whittle this list down further before the deadline.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You can take my name off the list cause I can’t be lynched anyhow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’d love some reads on 112. I feel like they’re spouting bullshit and I’m the only one who cares.

[Epignosis]

You can take my name off the list cause I can’t be lynched anyhow.

[sprityo]

So the 3p thinks I'm scum? The one who killed nutella? Why do you think that Master Radishes?

How do you know he's indy? or are you just labeling him as such?

Based on what people were saying about him earlier. In fact I thought you thought he was 3p - am I wrong?

i said it would make sense given how he's played, but i still consider him town right now

[Jackofhearts2005]

You can take my name off the list cause I can’t be lynched anyhow.

[112]

I’d love some reads on 112. I feel like they’re spouting bullshit and I’m the only one who cares.

[Epignosis]

Hyena's interactions with Elephant start out fun and free and result in this:

I like elephant.

Master Radishes, why are you messing with my friend Elephant? :[ That's not allowed right now.

Next:

So, here's the deal. I'm betting that there's one scum on the Evenstar wagon [Texas, sprityo, Quin, Michelle] and that there's another scum on the nutella wagon [Evenstar, Nanook, LLD].

I'm reading Eva and Nanook town at the moment, and I didn't like the circumstances in which LLD voted for nutella, so let's call her scum. On the Evenstar wagon, I'm cool with Sprityo, and don't know about anyone else. Based on how my convo with Michelle is going though, I'm probably going to call her scum, too. I'm probably going to vote between those two right now, and maybe Tony as a backup third option.

I'm not lynching Evenstar, nutella, or Elephant today.

Also, TL is probably town in spite of him calling me scum.

Ouch.

In the end, Hyena voted Dragomir in a messy End of Day 1. Okay.

Secondly,

gotta take a ~20 minutes pause

hopefully I don't miss the deadline again

If you do miss it, I will make it my personal mission to lynch you D3 if we're both alive.

I'm going to postpone this mission of mine.

Since it seems that we won't be joining the others all at once, I feel more inclined to resolve Vanity and Elephant today if possible. I had hoped I'd be able to go after some of the people in the other people today, but if we're stuck with this group, I'd rather move forward knowing at least one of their alignments.

This post I like. This was Day 3 following an ugly boo lynch (which I still don't understand) that Hyena helped with. What I'm seeing in this post that points to Hyena being a civilian is the resolve to lynch vanity or Elephant. While it is unfortunate that vanity went before Elephant, Hyena made good on his inclination to get Elephant lynched directly after.

Elephant, it might just be me but you seem a tad more... overwhelmed(???) today with everyone back? Like, I don't feel like you're trying to have as much influence over the thread as you did the past couple days, whereas nutella is still, like, consistently showing her presence here.

Given how conflicted Hyena was about nutella (he spent several posts reviewing her), this reaction exists almost as an epiphany, as it were.

oh shi... o:

Sup man?

You never bantered with me. >:[

This is kinda banter

True. I really do think Elephant is town. Between Nutella and Elephant, I'd always lynch Nutella. TLib is probably the Vig considering how much he's talked about how the Vig might not be able to shoot anymore.

I don't understand this post though. How do you go from "we need to lynch vanity / Elephant" to "vanity is dead, cool, Elephant is good. I'd rather lynch nutella."

This is kinda banter

True. I really do think Elephant is town. Between Nutella and Elephant, I'd always lynch Nutella. TLib is probably the Vig considering how much he's talked about how the Vig might not be able to shoot anymore.

LLD had every chance to make the same accusation towards Nutella the previous day as she did earlier today. I literally spent a dozen posts showing evidence that Nutella was flip flopping between Elephant and Vanity. LLD said she was busy, but... like... I dunno what to make of that? All I know is that she could have made a huge impact the previous day in our group.

Iaafr is making chaos just like me. I'm comfy calling him town. Evenstar could go either way, but bias is telling me she's town, too.

I will say that Master Radishes seemed like he was trying to make a point about Evenstar. I didn't really read it, but I sensed frustration from him. A towny kind.

Radishes is never ever town for very good reasons that I hope you consider tomorrow if you live

Okay, I'll pay more attention to him tomorrow. There were just more interesting people to poke and prod at.

I think this particular interaction looks good for Hyena.

I can't be voting hyena any harder than I already am :/

If I flip town, can you promise me Elephant won't get lynched tomorrow?

Like, I want lynched who people think would clear the other. I don't want you guys to chain lynch us one after the other.

Hyena should answer for this. I don't understand the mindset behind it.

In the end, Hyena voted Elephant, but I have no idea why.

++++

In summary, the voting record looks good. The content is messy and confusing. That's probably a good thing. I think Hyena should address the bits of confusion so I can form a clearer opinion.

[Epignosis]

Elephant's mafia and is just going to slip by to the end somehow, calling it now.

Well, 112 was half right.

actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Okay.

From my interaction with Master Radishes, where Benson butted in, I have Benson as town if Radishes is town, and Radishes leans town on me. @Master Radishes was not perfectly certain of Benson's alignment, but much in the past 12 hours has revolved around Benson. Nutella observed Benson and 112 scumreading each other, and somehow concluded that it probably made one of 112, Benson, and Radishes not town. If that is true, 112 is scum. Iaafr townread 112 and Benson, and scumread nutella, but iaafr's reads are very flexible, and iaafr also has very high confidence in Benson, and I am suspicious of that. I can see iaafr as scum in this constellation. Epignosis had a slow start, and asserted more authority later on, townreading nutella and attacking iaafr's scumread of her. Epignosis plays intransparently, and I can see that playstyle as a cover for powerwolfing; excepting six players from lynch today without accompanying town reads strikes me as a bold but efficient possibility to protect his wolf buddies.
Getting the puzzle of these six players to line up correctly establishes a much needed town core. My current layout is Benson, Master Radishes, and nutella as town, and 112, iaafr, and Epignosis as uncertain scum. I need to research 112, a lot depends on them.

I also have Juliets, Hyena, and Creature as provisional town, but don't see them as connected as the others. I would love to see @Hyena and @Creature evaluate each other directly.

It's really bad practice to say at least one of MR, Benson and I have to be mafia based on early-game inklings and banter.

Much does depend on me, yes.

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

Why is this of such immediate importance?

Dragomir named at least two teammates in this "shocked" reaction (Evenstar & Elephant).

This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?

@112

they're probably all town and connected by the interconnectivity of the universe.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
It probably comes as no surprise to you that I am not particularly happy with the level of thought that you display in this answer.

idgaf

I was literally about to type up a post about you that essentially said 'regardless of alignment, 112 is playing as if they dgaf.'

to be honest i'm still feeling off after the trip

like, more awakened than off, but it's still affecting how much time/energy i'm spending on the game. i've been only in thought for a few days.

Elephant made an attempt to pressure 112 into talking and 112 brushed him off like he was poisonous dandruff.

apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod

You could've talked to Jack?

holy moly this 112 wagon

and i have v read everyone from it at least once this game!

I just looked through the 112 ISO. Their strategy appears to be to scum-read players, and then to pocket them by flipping to a townread. I see this done on nutella, iaafr, Benson, MacDougall, maybe others. The only straight town-read without a negging is vanity. Evenstar calls 112 out on pocketing at one point, and 112's reaction is a bit strange. #406

why is my reaction there strange?

This likewise moves the needle in 112's favor.

I would like to kill Long Con more than I would like to kill elephant. Long Con is more classically scummy in my opinion.

@Long Con
@Quin

Did ya’ll miss me? I haven’t seen you since I got back. Gimmie some #content.

Soonish. I'll give you my catchup hot takes, still reading up. Epignosis - Evenstar took a turn when Epi decided she's not scum but is actually town, for the Four Reasons. I was seeing Ep as the Civ side of things there, but this turnaround could be a calculated pocketing ploy. LLD and Eva voting nutella is not that cool, nutella has looked very town over the days, and the timing of Eva's vote wasn't the best. 112 maybe sketchy. Michelle maybe sketchy.

This is a very reserved style of writing and the post seems to follow a checklist.

112 captures part of the spirit here

i think ive said this w.r.t nut, perhaps incorrectly, but i dont feel a town undercurrent with long con's thoughts. on elephant, individually, i'm torn. i'd rahter kill long con than elephant.

very good post. thank you.

Only quoting this to show that iaafr wanted to lynch Long Con instead of Elephant.

++++

I have the opposite take on 112 that I do for Hyena. The content looks clean and favorable for 112, but plopping a vote on Trustworthy Liberal both Day 1 and Day 5 when 112 has already expressed suspicion of Elephant multiple times is a cop out. 112 should talk about that.

I'm back, can someone point me to the case on Trustworthy Liberal? I see he or she is taking votes currently. I see I've been pinged, I'll get to those.

his iso

I mean, come on.

[Epignosis]

I actually think you are town because you seem so confident in actually believing what you're saying. But it's wrong and I implore you to do something useful.

More deflecting.

Deflecting from what? Give me something to answer.

She won't. Why are you still engaging her case if you feel it has no backing behind it?

I just want to get her to see some modicum of reason and/or get her to do something productive for the game. If she continues to refuse, she's probably scum. I had reason to think you two weren't actually scum together though.

I want everyone to see this so I'll tag everyone.

Mere posts after calling me town, now it's conditional on me finding them town. If I dont find them town, theyll think I'm scum.

Hilarious backtrack from a position they accidentally put themselves in and can't find their way out of.

Further, they disconnnected Eva and I. Wanna know why? If Eva flips town and is lynched today, Nutella plans to try and lynch me tomorrow because "one of us is scum but not both guess I got the wrong one whoops"

classic scum chaining lynches.

This is the nail in the coffin. Everyone needs to see this backpedal into flail.

Peering through the swamp that is in this post, I detect a faint glimmer of something useful.

If Eva flips town and is lynched today, Nutella plans to try and lynch me tomorrow because "one of us is scum but not both guess I got the wrong one whoops"

If LLD is mafia, she already knows Evenstar is bad. The question is if I think that, in the midst of all this outpouring of rage trying to have nutella's head, was LLD calculated enough in the moment to include this bit of double-reverse psychology chicanery? Or is it a genuine thought? I'm inclined to believe the latter.

@Master Radishes
@sprityo
@Evenstar

Were ya’ll alone in limbo yesterday? And if so, what happened? And if not, same question.

Yeah. Open votes, no maj. We did our backs and forths, but Sprit only popped in last few minutes, voted me, I voted Eva because obviously, and Eva switched from voting Sprit to me at :00.

It was fun and dramatic.

People need to believe me on her now, though.

I'll give you Eva later if you give me Nutella now

Does this come from an Evenstar teammate?

++++

I'm not going to quote the more unpleasant posts regarding nutella. I've reread them though. Others can do the same if they wish. The reasons I believe LLD isn't on a team are unfortunate, but they exist.

[Epignosis]

ColinIsCool has zero mentions of Elephant, zero mentions of Dragomir, and one mention of Evenstar:

Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?

No idea. She's my top townread.

But Rej had a juicy interaction with Evenstar Day 1:

Just skimmed again through million of posts and forgot half of the content.
I will just relax as I rly have a bad day today and I wasted my energy into carrying home the Cats/Dogs game with Novas and Speedchuck

Here some crappy GTH reads to satisfy your hunger:

Nutella - good
Michelle - good
Sprityo - good
the guy with the rabbit avatar - good

I have no clue who this guy is but this entrance instantly makes me hate him

You leave Rej alone he’s a nice person and I like his emojis.

thank you


Evenstar
2 options you really are scum and you just mention my obviously scummy behaviour to set up something going on against me
or you are a honest civillian who saw my bad play and simply questions me, but then still harshly puts a bad read on me because of a fucking D0 ISO.
Youu will be surprised, my D0 Iso really is bullshit.

So which option?

Michelle
I think you have some too high expectations of me, I didn't meant to cause confusion with bullcrap-reads.
I skimmed through and I still have 4 pages to read, but I highly think you are a civillian who is putting much effort into game.

I didn't sign up here to give my 100% effort and catch up 1000 posts twice each to ensure I got everything + doing ISOs.

I am glad I rolled a pedestrian role to hang up in the civillisation so don't mind me too much, I will try to play clean and fun.

Since my min effort + new faces I am not able to generate reads on wolves, feel free to slaughter me or integrate me into towncore.

I will go sleep for now and I will catch up alot tomorrow...rly alot I feel, anyway good night, and tag me if anything.

Rej expressed four quick draw opinions (two of which have proven correct) and Evenstar crapped on him right out of the gate.

In response, Rej spends a little too much time entertaining Evenstar's "accusation," going so far as to paint two conflicting scenarios and then puts the ball back in Evenstar's court. Evenstar has a few lazy "Rej is bad" comments. In my experience, teammate distancing doesn't look like this.

++++

I wasn't expecting to find much of anything studying these two, but what do you know? I did. I think it's unlikely that ColinIsCool is mafia.

[Long Con]

I’d love some reads on 112. I feel like they’re spouting bullshit and I’m the only one who cares.

I looked over the last couple of ISO pages on 112. I see some bullshit, and some non-bullshit. Voted for both Eva and Elephant, but then ends up off-wagon for either.

[Epignosis]

Going through Elephant's posts from yesterday... he goes on and on about how vanity isn't the same as his town self, and it looks like nothing vanity does it right, and then takes a 90 degree turn and votes DFaraday because "he needs to be sorted".

Were you afraid to pull the trigger on vanity, El?

Sensible questioning here from LC.

Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?

Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory

I've got an idea. How would you feel about lynching vanity or elephant, and then using the (maybe?) vig shot to kill Ty4on? That way, we get the info from people voting between vanity and elephant AND we get the other group's lynch killed to give them info.

Leashing the vigilante was a good idea in the championship where the role could be mafia-aligned, but leashing them here does not seem useful. I believe the vigilante was with us yesterday, or they couldn't have targetted DFaraday. If we want to be sure to not lynch the vigilante accidentally, the safe option is to lynch Ty4on or Nanook. I don't advocate the vigilante holstering, if mafia find out who they are, they will probably die in the night; but that decision is one the vigilante must make. That said,

Caught in the middle of crafting a "just right" response, Elephant?

I'm not sure I understand LC's grievance here, but okay.

@Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?

Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".

Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?

Ask me tomorrow

If this is a teammate interaction, LC stops it before it ever has a chance to develop into anything useful. That's nice I suppose.

I doubt I will move my vote. Elephant is someone I've had suspicion of for a while, Hyena is someone I've townread for a while... Pawn is a bit of a scumlean, but I have no real case to back that up right now.

Note that Elephant is still one of the voters on himself. He could do a last-minute switch.

I'm not wild about the Day 4 vote for Trustworthy Liberal, but from the looks of it nobody was voting Elephant, so meh. Long Con looks like a natural accuser of Elephant.

++++

Marrying the above with my observations regarding Long Con and Dragomir, I think it's highly unlikely Long Con is mafia. Add to this that LC is a schemer: The same reasoning by which I defend myself vis-à-vis preserving the godfather applies to him equally.

[juliets]

So the 3p thinks I'm scum? The one who killed nutella? Why do you think that Master Radishes?

How do you know he's indy? or are you just labeling him as such?

Based on what people were saying about him earlier. In fact I thought you thought he was 3p - am I wrong?

i said it would make sense given how he's played, but i still consider him town right now

Ok sprityo thanks for the clarification.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Your thoughts on 112?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Feel no matter what iaafr is the Lynch and not worth just dropping mu vote to but problum being I am going be afk from this point till EoD unless i get off early which is extremely unlikely.

At this point Iaafr I head wagon by alot unless you count the DEAD option.

Neutral can live one more day due to limitation's and a janitor flip would be amazing right now.

Janitor ia very unlikely within the original group so that's a reason to push epi/iaafr by I feel if iaafr was the janitor if they have points they would be getting a better defense so.

Also I feel Dom and Epi could be wolfs together based on their defense for one another just a possiblity I am starting to belive more and more.

Gonna end voting [VOTE: Dom] aubergine actually i think people are clearing of interactions way to fast