Inception [END]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyway, I was talking about how many wolves per level thematically.

[juliets]

Anyway, I was talking about how many wolves per level thematically.

Yes I understand it now. Maybe you are right though and I shouldn't make too much of how many were at each level.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyway, I was talking about how many wolves per level thematically.

Yes I understand it now. Maybe you are right though and I shouldn't make too much of how many were at each level.

On the flip side, it helped us find Eva.

[Master Radishes]

Anyway, I was talking about how many wolves per level thematically.

Yes I understand it now. Maybe you are right though and I shouldn't make too much of how many were at each level.

On the flip side, it helped us find Eva.

Like fuck it did. I had my case built up way before then and still no one was lynching her with me.

None of you are allowed to share credit for finding her with me.

[Master Radishes]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyway, I was talking about how many wolves per level thematically.

Yes I understand it now. Maybe you are right though and I shouldn't make too much of how many were at each level.

On the flip side, it helped us find Eva.

Like fuck it did. I had my case built up way before then and still no one was lynching her with me.

None of you are allowed to share credit for finding her with me.

What about killing her?

[Jackofhearts2005]

That’s kinda stupid. Radishes is probably the one player who wouldn’t kill Eva if they were 3P.

[juliets]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

[juliets]

Reading back over iaafr, I had forgotten somehow about that Day 1 EOD where he landed on no-lynch. I asked him about yesterday or the day before and I remember someone told me "good luck" at getting him to answer. He never did. Now he's not taking questions as he said he won't respond to tags. I'll mention him anyway in case that was just a passing notion [mention]iaafr[/mention] I will have trouble not voting you today unless you answer this question. Why did you vote no-lynch day 1?

[Master Radishes]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.


And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.

[Master Radishes]

Reading back over iaafr, I had forgotten somehow about that Day 1 EOD where he landed on no-lynch. I asked him about yesterday or the day before and I remember someone told me "good luck" at getting him to answer. He never did. Now he's not taking questions as he said he won't respond to tags. I'll mention him anyway in case that was just a passing notion @iaafr I will have trouble not voting you today unless you answer this question. Why did you vote no-lynch day 1?

'I will have trouble not voting you' --> like that


Also, we've covered the no-lynch thing. It's because he's the doublevoter.

[Epignosis]

Reading back over iaafr, I had forgotten somehow about that Day 1 EOD where he landed on no-lynch. I asked him about yesterday or the day before and I remember someone told me "good luck" at getting him to answer. He never did. Now he's not taking questions as he said he won't respond to tags. I'll mention him anyway in case that was just a passing notion @iaafr I will have trouble not voting you today unless you answer this question. Why did you vote no-lynch day 1?

'I will have trouble not voting you' --> like that


Also, we've covered the no-lynch thing. It's because he's the doublevoter.

You're still not married to that idea, are you?

[juliets]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.


And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.

You just don't know me or my game. I'm hemming and hawing because I have no idea who is bad. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's Jack but beyond that I'm just not sure. You cannot read my tone so don't pretend like you can. Just vote for me already. And it will be a policy lynch because I am not playing well and am not good for the game state. Do you deny that? If I'm town do you deny I'm not playing well and am not good for the game state? So either way, just vote for me already.

[juliets]

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.


And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.

You just don't know me or my game. I'm hemming and hawing because I have no idea who is bad. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's Jack but beyond that I'm just not sure. You cannot read my tone so don't pretend like you can. Just vote for me already. And it will be a policy lynch because I am not playing well and am not good for the game state. Do you deny that? If I'm town do you deny I'm not playing well and am not good for the game state? So either way, just vote for me already.

'You don't know my game' is not a valid defence.

'You cannot read my tone' is not a valid defence.

'It will be a policy lynch' is not a valid defence.

'Just vote for me already' is not a valid defence.


Response not accepted.

[juliets]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.


And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.

You just don't know me or my game. I'm hemming and hawing because I have no idea who is bad. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's Jack but beyond that I'm just not sure. You cannot read my tone so don't pretend like you can. Just vote for me already. And it will be a policy lynch because I am not playing well and am not good for the game state. Do you deny that? If I'm town do you deny I'm not playing well and am not good for the game state? So either way, just vote for me already.

'You don't know my game' is not a valid defence.

'You cannot read my tone' is not a valid defence.

'It will be a policy lynch' is not a valid defence.

'Just vote for me already' is not a valid defence.


Response not accepted.

Maybe you didn't notice - I wasn't defending. I was telling it like it is. I've done all the defending I'm going to do. There isn't anything more I can say I don't think.

[Master Radishes]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.


And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.

You just don't know me or my game. I'm hemming and hawing because I have no idea who is bad. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's Jack but beyond that I'm just not sure. You cannot read my tone so don't pretend like you can. Just vote for me already. And it will be a policy lynch because I am not playing well and am not good for the game state. Do you deny that? If I'm town do you deny I'm not playing well and am not good for the game state? So either way, just vote for me already.

'You don't know my game' is not a valid defence.

'You cannot read my tone' is not a valid defence.

'It will be a policy lynch' is not a valid defence.

'Just vote for me already' is not a valid defence.


Response not accepted.

Maybe you didn't notice - I wasn't defending. I was telling it like it is. I've done all the defending I'm going to do. There isn't anything more I can say I don't think.

You were explaining to me why my read on you is wrong. That's a defense.


'There isn't anything more I can say' is also not a valid defence and therefore not accepted.

[juliets]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.


And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.

You just don't know me or my game. I'm hemming and hawing because I have no idea who is bad. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's Jack but beyond that I'm just not sure. You cannot read my tone so don't pretend like you can. Just vote for me already. And it will be a policy lynch because I am not playing well and am not good for the game state. Do you deny that? If I'm town do you deny I'm not playing well and am not good for the game state? So either way, just vote for me already.

'You don't know my game' is not a valid defence.

'You cannot read my tone' is not a valid defence.

'It will be a policy lynch' is not a valid defence.

'Just vote for me already' is not a valid defence.


Response not accepted.

Maybe you didn't notice - I wasn't defending. I was telling it like it is. I've done all the defending I'm going to do. There isn't anything more I can say I don't think.

You were explaining to me why my read on you is wrong. That's a defense.


'There isn't anything more I can say' is also not a valid defence and therefore not accepted.

I don't think you get it but that's ok.

[Master Radishes]

But I so enjoy tunneling.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

[juliets]

But I so enjoy tunneling.

Yes, I can tell.

[MacDougall]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

Based on yesterday? What specifically about yesterday makes him a wolf?

[Master Radishes]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

[Master Radishes]

If Epi is lynched and flips green, I'll definitely reconsider the bunny.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

Based on yesterday? What specifically about yesterday makes him a wolf?

Nothing. He got a bunch of votes yesterday. He has less votes today. He’s barely said anything today.

So if the needle moved, it happened yesterday.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

Unpack the thought about him being super townie.

[Master Radishes]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

Unpack the thought about him being super townie.

There's no agenda to his posts. He just says whatever comes to mind. His reads bounce like a yo-yo. His thought process is wild and I disagree with a lot of what he concludes, but it comes across as organic.

Also a pseudo-meta read: in MU spec chat he acted exactly like this.

[juliets]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

Unpack the thought about him being super townie.

There's no agenda to his posts. He just says whatever comes to mind. His reads bounce like a yo-yo. His thought process is wild and I disagree with a lot of what he concludes, but it comes across as organic.

Also a pseudo-meta read: in MU spec chat he acted exactly like this.

Do we know he doesn't act like this when he's scum?

[Master Radishes]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

Unpack the thought about him being super townie.

There's no agenda to his posts. He just says whatever comes to mind. His reads bounce like a yo-yo. His thought process is wild and I disagree with a lot of what he concludes, but it comes across as organic.

Also a pseudo-meta read: in MU spec chat he acted exactly like this.

Do we know he doesn't act like this when he's scum?

See: words 'no agenda' and 'organic' in above post. Regardless of the 'meta', his behaviour seems clean to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m having a hard time squaring “no agenda” with his mutual confirmation pact with Eva.

[juliets]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

Unpack the thought about him being super townie.

There's no agenda to his posts. He just says whatever comes to mind. His reads bounce like a yo-yo. His thought process is wild and I disagree with a lot of what he concludes, but it comes across as organic.

Also a pseudo-meta read: in MU spec chat he acted exactly like this.

Do we know he doesn't act like this when he's scum?

See: words 'no agenda' and 'organic' in above post. Regardless of the 'meta', his behaviour seems clean to me.

So you don't know whether he posts like this when he's scum? Was he scum in any of the champs qualifiers? I'll go take a look if he was.

[Master Radishes]

I’m having a hard time squaring “no agenda” with his mutual confirmation pact with Eva.

He didn't push it in an agenda-y way. He had Spiny's post in mind but hadn't saved it to use (Eva was the one who reposted it). Eva suggested the doublevoter thing and iaafr never really commented on it, which is what I would do if I was facing heat at the time and it helped take the edge off.

I just don't see it as a 'mutual confirmation pact' like you've put it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m having a hard time squaring “no agenda” with his mutual confirmation pact with Eva.

He didn't push it in an agenda-y way. He had Spiny's post in mind but hadn't saved it to use (Eva was the one who reposted it). Eva suggested the doublevoter thing and iaafr never really commented on it, which is what I would do if I was facing heat at the time and it helped take the edge off.

I just don't see it as a 'mutual confirmation pact' like you've put it.

What is it missing to not be Iaafr and Eva both “confirming” each other by claiming for each other and reminding everyone loudly of those claims to try to keep each other from being lynched?

There’s an apparent agenda.

You don’t think so.

What’s the key bit?

[juliets]

Ok but iaafr knew he wasn't the double voter. Why didn't Eva's clear of him for that reason raise suspicions for him, even if he didn't articulate them right away?

[Long Con]

Ok, so some juliets ISO pulls, focusing on Elephant stuff...

So Elephant and Faraday did not vote for Drago. Was there someone else?

I did not.

yeah but I consider your reason acceptable. Creature did not either but I still read him town.

Juliets narrowed the focus of Drago nonvoters to Elephant and DF, disregarding boo and Creature, both town. Could be viewed as TMI, but I go for the town lean here because of narrowing the focus on Elephant.

That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh

He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.

I read him as genuinely sorry he was a factor in my melting down if that makes any difference.

Takes the side against Elephant's attempt to lynch vanity. Town lean again.

I'm moving back to Faraday for the moment.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

why did the dfaraday wagon completely die?

I don't know, I just moved back. I would rather land on someone who didn't vote Drago.

Ended up on DF and not Elephant. Scum lean for that one, looks like the "Elephant or DF" post earlier could be distancing.

The rest of Day 3 juliets mostly casually engages Elephant, questioning here and there, but never suspecting. She doesn't like it said that she copied Elephant's reads. Slightly scummish? She then votes vanity, which would have lynched him that Day if Ty4on hadn't foolishly shot himself in the foot.

You're correct I did not post an analysis of vanity, I was tired and it didn't seem necessary. I read through him, noticed there was a lot of emotion in his posts and asked Ty4on the question. I pointed at you because I have been uneasy about you. I have tried to collect some thoughts/questions this morning and this afternoon which I will post in a minute. Maybe you are town and I am just paranoid about you.

Your earlier posts today were showing a growing scum-read on Ty4on, and very few other strong stances on anyone's alignment. You engage Elephant about vanity but you don't really give your own opinion on them very strongly, just question-prompts. Did you decide to start focussing on vanity because of the growing number of vanity voters? Why do you suspect vanity more than Ty4on?

Oh you were right LC I didn't see this or several other posts on this page.

I can't remember exactly when I decided I needed to focus on vanity but the votes that persuaded me were hyena's and Nanook's, especially when Nanook moved. At some point in this day phase I had reviewed nova's posts and decided some seemed scummy but on the whole I wasn't overwhelmed with scumminess as I remember being in the moments that he was posting. I'm pretty sure I posted in the thread what my feeling was about his posts. So, I decided to give Ty4on a chance today and see what he had to say. I'm not sure that was the right decision at this point because Ty4on hasn't jumped into discussion as much as I hoped he would. Plus part of me wants to give that other thread the info of who he is hoping that would be useful. He would probably be my alternate vote if vanity came into the thread and gave good responses for the suspicion on him.

I don't like this post much. I questioned juliets about how much her vanity vote relied on Elephant, and she directs the reasoning as sheeping two town players, and then sets up Ty4on as her alternate vote. No mention of Elephant in her answer at all. Scum lean.

Well that sucked.

But it looks like Nanook may have successfully stopped a kill???

Either way, my choice is clear and has been clear since the lynch post. I regret my part in how that went down.

[VOTE: vanity.] aubergine

Or the vig didn't kill lol, I kinda doubt he would have blocked them? Idk I'm clearly confused lol

I'm thinking it's more the vig didn't kill.

I will join you in a vanity vote. I feel bamboozled.

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

This is the start of Day 4, where juliets instantly sheeps nutella's aggressive vote on vanity. "I feel bamboozled"? Scum lean. I know that wasn't an Elephant interaction, but it's notable enough when I saw it, given we now know that vanity and nutella are both town here.

That's all the time I have right now, I am going to sleep. I will continue this tomorrow if I can make time after catching up.

I'm not sure how the bamboozled is scum? I felt like vanity had pocketed me and gotten me to move my vote to someone who was town. I think it's natural to feel this way after that kind of lynch. I'll try and answer to all these in a little while.

I don't recall vanity pocketing you, how did this happen to such a degree that a mislynch on another player left you "bamboozled"? And vanity was town. If you were pocketed, then that's something you did to yourself... like it was all in your own head. Would you have come in with the Day 4 Instavote if nutella hadn't lead the way? It looks like an easy sheeping opportunity taken advantage of.

Regardless of what it seemed like to you I was not sheeping. I made the decision during the night phase.

And what if I was sheeping nutella? That makes me bad?? nutella was our top town read.

Maybe we are not working with the same definition of bamboozled. To me it means tricked. I felt like he had talked his way out of being lynched when he was indeed scum.

I don't really look too favorably on sheeping. I think it's more likely to be used as a pocketing device with the flavour of Civ-friendly meekness.

We share a common definition for the word. But let's be honest here, there's a reason to use "bamboozled" instead of "tricked". It brings to mind a level of trickery that made your head spin with animated question marks popping up like bubbles around it, while you look dumbfounded in confusion. It's like using "lollygagging" instead of "lagging behind" or something. It has implications that irresponsibly foolery is involved. You know?

[Epignosis]

Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.

This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.

Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.


And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.

You just don't know me or my game. I'm hemming and hawing because I have no idea who is bad. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's Jack but beyond that I'm just not sure. You cannot read my tone so don't pretend like you can. Just vote for me already. And it will be a policy lynch because I am not playing well and am not good for the game state. Do you deny that? If I'm town do you deny I'm not playing well and am not good for the game state? So either way, just vote for me already.

'You don't know my game' is not a valid defence.

'You cannot read my tone' is not a valid defence.

'It will be a policy lynch' is not a valid defence.

'Just vote for me already' is not a valid defence.


Response not accepted.

juliets' play Day 1.

That's a valid defense. Go.

[Epignosis]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

This is not a valid offense. Response not accepted.

[Epignosis]

If Epi is lynched and flips green, I'll definitely reconsider the bunny.

Great. Skip the first part and Bob's your uncle.

[Epignosis]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

Unpack the thought about him being super townie.

There's no agenda to his posts. He just says whatever comes to mind. His reads bounce like a yo-yo. His thought process is wild and I disagree with a lot of what he concludes, but it comes across as organic.

Also a pseudo-meta read: in MU spec chat he acted exactly like this.

We have three dead mafia members. Can you look at him in the context of those three dead mafia members? It's Day 7 for shit's sake.

[Master Radishes]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

This is not a valid offense. Response not accepted.

U just mad bro

[Epignosis]

I’m having a hard time squaring “no agenda” with his mutual confirmation pact with Eva.

[Epignosis]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

This is not a valid offense. Response not accepted.

U just mad bro

Extremely.

[juliets]

Ok, so some juliets ISO pulls, focusing on Elephant stuff...

I did not.

yeah but I consider your reason acceptable. Creature did not either but I still read him town.

Juliets narrowed the focus of Drago nonvoters to Elephant and DF, disregarding boo and Creature, both town. Could be viewed as TMI, but I go for the town lean here because of narrowing the focus on Elephant.

He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.

I read him as genuinely sorry he was a factor in my melting down if that makes any difference.

Takes the side against Elephant's attempt to lynch vanity. Town lean again.

I'm moving back to Faraday for the moment.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

why did the dfaraday wagon completely die?

I don't know, I just moved back. I would rather land on someone who didn't vote Drago.

Ended up on DF and not Elephant. Scum lean for that one, looks like the "Elephant or DF" post earlier could be distancing.

The rest of Day 3 juliets mostly casually engages Elephant, questioning here and there, but never suspecting. She doesn't like it said that she copied Elephant's reads. Slightly scummish? She then votes vanity, which would have lynched him that Day if Ty4on hadn't foolishly shot himself in the foot.

Your earlier posts today were showing a growing scum-read on Ty4on, and very few other strong stances on anyone's alignment. You engage Elephant about vanity but you don't really give your own opinion on them very strongly, just question-prompts. Did you decide to start focussing on vanity because of the growing number of vanity voters? Why do you suspect vanity more than Ty4on?

Oh you were right LC I didn't see this or several other posts on this page.

I can't remember exactly when I decided I needed to focus on vanity but the votes that persuaded me were hyena's and Nanook's, especially when Nanook moved. At some point in this day phase I had reviewed nova's posts and decided some seemed scummy but on the whole I wasn't overwhelmed with scumminess as I remember being in the moments that he was posting. I'm pretty sure I posted in the thread what my feeling was about his posts. So, I decided to give Ty4on a chance today and see what he had to say. I'm not sure that was the right decision at this point because Ty4on hasn't jumped into discussion as much as I hoped he would. Plus part of me wants to give that other thread the info of who he is hoping that would be useful. He would probably be my alternate vote if vanity came into the thread and gave good responses for the suspicion on him.

I don't like this post much. I questioned juliets about how much her vanity vote relied on Elephant, and she directs the reasoning as sheeping two town players, and then sets up Ty4on as her alternate vote. No mention of Elephant in her answer at all. Scum lean.

Or the vig didn't kill lol, I kinda doubt he would have blocked them? Idk I'm clearly confused lol

I'm thinking it's more the vig didn't kill.

I will join you in a vanity vote. I feel bamboozled.

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

This is the start of Day 4, where juliets instantly sheeps nutella's aggressive vote on vanity. "I feel bamboozled"? Scum lean. I know that wasn't an Elephant interaction, but it's notable enough when I saw it, given we now know that vanity and nutella are both town here.

That's all the time I have right now, I am going to sleep. I will continue this tomorrow if I can make time after catching up.

I'm not sure how the bamboozled is scum? I felt like vanity had pocketed me and gotten me to move my vote to someone who was town. I think it's natural to feel this way after that kind of lynch. I'll try and answer to all these in a little while.

I don't recall vanity pocketing you, how did this happen to such a degree that a mislynch on another player left you "bamboozled"? And vanity was town. If you were pocketed, then that's something you did to yourself... like it was all in your own head. Would you have come in with the Day 4 Instavote if nutella hadn't lead the way? It looks like an easy sheeping opportunity taken advantage of.

Regardless of what it seemed like to you I was not sheeping. I made the decision during the night phase.

And what if I was sheeping nutella? That makes me bad?? nutella was our top town read.

Maybe we are not working with the same definition of bamboozled. To me it means tricked. I felt like he had talked his way out of being lynched when he was indeed scum.

I don't really look too favorably on sheeping. I think it's more likely to be used as a pocketing device with the flavour of Civ-friendly meekness.

We share a common definition for the word. But let's be honest here, there's a reason to use "bamboozled" instead of "tricked". It brings to mind a level of trickery that made your head spin with animated question marks popping up like bubbles around it, while you look dumbfounded in confusion. It's like using "lollygagging" instead of "lagging behind" or something. It has implications that irresponsibly foolery is involved. You know?

There is no "irresponsible foolery" connected with the word bamboozled in my mind. It's another way to say 'to fool' in a stronger way. It's the word that came to my mind when I thought about the situation. It was a strong feeling so I used a strong word.

[Master Radishes]

Hey, by all means, lynch iaafr. Even he wants it. I'm just stating my opposition.

[Master Radishes]

So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.

The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

This is not a valid offense. Response not accepted.

U just mad bro

Extremely.

Don't let it get you down. As the philosopher T Swift once said, haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate.

[Master Radishes]

Going to bed. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for the lulz.

[Long Con]

Well, the "irresponsible foolery" was connected to "lollygagging" in the example, while the implication of "bamboozled" was laid out in the previous sentence. Dumbfounded "doi-oi-oi" confusion.

How did vanity trick you? Like, we know now that he was Civ now, but back then you were putting the trickiness out there. In your ISO I was reminded of those times, and I remember vanity expressing frustration and apathy about the game. I don't see how that tricks you into voting Ty4on. It's really strange to turn to a player you suspect and blame them for tricking you right after a Civ lynch.

[Epignosis]

I currently have zero incentive to listen to anything Master Radishes has to say moving forward, and neither do the other civilians.

[juliets]

Well, the "irresponsible foolery" was connected to "lollygagging" in the example, while the implication of "bamboozled" was laid out in the previous sentence. Dumbfounded "doi-oi-oi" confusion.

How did vanity trick you? Like, we know now that he was Civ now, but back then you were putting the trickiness out there. In your ISO I was reminded of those times, and I remember vanity expressing frustration and apathy about the game. I don't see how that tricks you into voting Ty4on. It's really strange to turn to a player you suspect and blame them for tricking you right after a Civ lynch.

He talked me out of voting him, and I voted Ty4on instead who was civ. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand. You seem like you are pushing at nothing.

[Long Con]

Just telling you why "bamboozled" pings me. It got wordy.