The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

@DrWilgy @Dragon D. Luffy @Michelle @sig

Am I town or mafia?

Describe your new tactic, and how it helps you win.

I believe there’s a chance I was left alive so that I could be mislynched. I think it’s possible/probable that they’d be banking on a civilian or two to push the case forward. I want to get everyone’s opinion.

So if everyone commits to calling you town because you make them then you won’t be lynched, is what you’re banking on.

Here's where you "talked about it." If this is a callout, I'm not feeling any pressure.
You also suggested in your previous "callout" that my point was "fair?" so I again am not feeling any pressure.

I spent all of the time I was around interacting with you. I wasn’t on some performative mission to an audience of none to get you lynched.

[Sloonei]

What was your level of suspicion of me early in the day yesterday?

[TonyStarkPrime]

What was your level of suspicion of me early in the day yesterday?

Meh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Probably light orange on a rainbow

[TonyStarkPrime]

For what it’s worth you’re still probably light orange on the rainbow voting for you might be more reactionary than it should be in which case I should be trying to convince you more that you’re wrong. But I think you’ll eventually just come to that conclusion yourself.

[Sloonei]

For what it’s worth you’re still probably light orange on the rainbow voting for you might be more reactionary than it should be in which case I should be trying to convince you more that you’re wrong. But I think you’ll eventually just come to that conclusion yourself.

Who should I vote for instead?

[MacDougall]

TSP and Sloonei are the wolves. They're cross voting in case the Sloonei wagon sticks.

After I moved my vote there were about 30 seconds left in the poll. Are you arguing they coordinated during that time to move a vote to Sloon, risk his life, then have Sloon move his vote to me?

And if they didn't coordinate, then why the hell did TSP make such a move to Sloon?

Why don't you just admit you aren't reading anything, not even recent posts? Will make it less annoying to deal with you.

Why so hostile?

[MacDougall]

I switched to TSP. His reaction to my post about him being teammates with Sloonei was a scumslip.

[MacDougall]

I'd prefer to lynch DDL to anyone who is obviously scum but TSP is probably his teammate.

[Michelle]

a lot to catch up, and some walls from what I saw, so it will take some time.

I liked so much how the forum looks like on pc compared to phone that I decided it's better for my eyes to play at work.

[Michelle]

I'd prefer to lynch DDL to anyone who is obviously scum but TSP is probably his teammate.

some commas missing makes me not understand so well this, can you explain please?

[Michelle]

TSP and Sloonei are the wolves. They're cross voting in case the Sloonei wagon sticks.

This is such a stupid theory. Why wouldn’t we have just lynched DDL yesterday?

DDL wagon vanished until Eod but I can understand this Pov too.

TSP and Sloonei being teammates is impossible unless they were seriously trying to make Sloonei die yesterday.

yes, they can't be w/w (still didn't read the walls but they are too big for some scum theatre)

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

At least Mac is posting, even if he's just meme'ing instead of playing.

There is a huge chance mafia missed a kill last night and this doesn't say good about Wilgy.

tbh before reading anything, Dr.W is not a player to take in lylo if he is villager. That taking as possible a town presence who didn't post a whole day time and posted incredibly scummy all game.
I invite everyone to read his ISO and show me his towny points.

As scum Wilgy have an inactive teammate if they skipped a NK and this talks bad for anyone inactive but for this we have to check Wilgy's AI.

I am not sure he is scum but in the same time I am sure he is not an asset for town in this moment of the game, without any shade for him as player and his playstyle.

[Michelle]

we are now 9 players.
The possibility of 4 scum isn't possible if the host didn't announce is lylo so I think we have 3 scum and 6 townies.
If we milsynch, with the NK, tomorrow is lylo. Technically if is again no NK may be mylo, but I think the lack of NK was just a coincidence, I think a town roleblocker would give away the blocked player and would expose mafia immediately.
Also at 12+3, the town members cannot have too much power because it would be unbalanced (see the doc who has limited powers) so I don't see the possibility of a roleblocker.

I am making this reasoning for myself, I know all of you are experienced enough to know this, and I need a confirmation if it's correct.

[Michelle]

I also notice that Mac has all the red squares and only one green one. How would you characterize your read on him, and why are there so many yellows/oranges?

Mac is an easy dunk target by nature of his relative absence so I didn't count that in his read, but a team with him takes a huge risk leaving Sloonei up for so long IF they don't intend to at least try to lynch Sloonei. That's what's so prohibitive about Mac teams. Mac Sloonei is red not because I couldn't see it but more because it's the kind of team that deserves a win if they can get it at this point. And I also can't see it it's way too clever. Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work. DDL never risks lynching a mostly inactive teammate on Day 2 so that's that red read. The other ones kill Sloonei and don't interact as they have.

My read on Mac individually is null lean scum. Mac as scum here wants back-to-back Sloonei/Epi lynches (assuming he's not paired with one of them), and currently it seems things might go that way and all of Mac's posts fit inside that narrative. I will make no attempts to read Mac himself, but he's mildly pinged me a few times.

The main reasons for yellows and oranges are day one votes, town presences, and a prohibitive kill strategy. Honestly at this point in the game, I probably should be able to assign more of those, but all of the lynches have been apathetic thus far. I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3.

Reading in Sloonei's wall something is not good in this post for me, that I didn't notice at first read.

"Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work"
Pairing players for the sake of pairing, and making a world of a non existent scum team is not what a townie should do. And the worlds are not exactly pointed out, they are ambiguous, and the conclusion is that Epi has done most of the work. Epi is almost inexistent in the game so where is the work?

"I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3"
Almost nothing is not nothing but the unfinished thought gives the impression he thinks more at the game. Why not say that almost nothing instead keeping it? Maybe because a good analisis points at him? (didn't search, it's just a supposition). Or maybe because he didn't analyze it at all?

I don't see how this post is town motivated.

thanks for autocorrect, it shows me my mistakes. A lot of...

[TonyStarkPrime]

I also notice that Mac has all the red squares and only one green one. How would you characterize your read on him, and why are there so many yellows/oranges?

Mac is an easy dunk target by nature of his relative absence so I didn't count that in his read, but a team with him takes a huge risk leaving Sloonei up for so long IF they don't intend to at least try to lynch Sloonei. That's what's so prohibitive about Mac teams. Mac Sloonei is red not because I couldn't see it but more because it's the kind of team that deserves a win if they can get it at this point. And I also can't see it it's way too clever. Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work. DDL never risks lynching a mostly inactive teammate on Day 2 so that's that red read. The other ones kill Sloonei and don't interact as they have.

My read on Mac individually is null lean scum. Mac as scum here wants back-to-back Sloonei/Epi lynches (assuming he's not paired with one of them), and currently it seems things might go that way and all of Mac's posts fit inside that narrative. I will make no attempts to read Mac himself, but he's mildly pinged me a few times.

The main reasons for yellows and oranges are day one votes, town presences, and a prohibitive kill strategy. Honestly at this point in the game, I probably should be able to assign more of those, but all of the lynches have been apathetic thus far. I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3.

Reading in Sloonei's wall something is not good in this post for me, that I didn't notice at first read.

"Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work"
Pairing players for the sake of pairing, and making a world of a non existent scum team is not what a townie should do. And the worlds are not exactly pointed out, they are ambiguous, and the conclusion is that Epi has done most of the work. Epi is almost inexistent in the game so where is the work?

"I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3"
Almost nothing is not nothing but the unfinished thought gives the impression he thinks more at the game. Why not say that almost nothing instead keeping it? Maybe because a good analisis points at him? (didn't search, it's just a supposition). Or maybe because he didn't analyze it at all?

I don't see how this post is town motivated.

thanks for autocorrect, it shows me my mistakes. A lot of...

1) the whole point of the exercise was the conceive of every possible pairing. It’s not for the sake of pairing. It’s for the sake of figuring out what to do. Epi is not almost non existent in this game that’s blatantly false but the premise is a Mac Michelle team would need to lynch Sloonei quickly because Mac was next on the chopping block (and probably still should be), and Epi helped with that.
2) go look at day 2 and day 3 voting patterns and tell me if you can ascertain anything

[TonyStarkPrime]

I switched to TSP. His reaction to my post about him being teammates with Sloonei was a scumslip.

fair

[TonyStarkPrime]

For what it’s worth you’re still probably light orange on the rainbow voting for you might be more reactionary than it should be in which case I should be trying to convince you more that you’re wrong. But I think you’ll eventually just come to that conclusion yourself.

Who should I vote for instead?

Mac.

[Sloonei]

For what it’s worth you’re still probably light orange on the rainbow voting for you might be more reactionary than it should be in which case I should be trying to convince you more that you’re wrong. But I think you’ll eventually just come to that conclusion yourself.

Who should I vote for instead?

Mac.

He is currently my second choice.

[Sloonei]

I switched to TSP. His reaction to my post about him being teammates with Sloonei was a scumslip.

Explain this and also why I'm not scum anymore.

[Michelle]

sigh.. this looks like i have to be here at eod.. 4:27 am

if you all decided to lynch an active player and give again a pass to an inactive this is pretty hard to understand at logical level.

[TonyStarkPrime]

sigh.. this looks like i have to be here at eod.. 4:27 am

if you all decided to lynch an active player and give again a pass to an inactive this is pretty hard to understand at logical level.

This is why I don’t want to lynch Sloonei. Spin the wheel now.

[Sloonei]

sigh.. this looks like i have to be here at eod.. 4:27 am

if you all decided to lynch an active player and give again a pass to an inactive this is pretty hard to understand at logical level.

I don’t agree with this. I think there are cases to be made against active players.

[Sloonei]

That said, no one besides Tony has actually responded to my case against Tony.

[DrWilgy]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

[Michelle]

That said, no one besides Tony has actually responded to my case against Tony.

i've read it and i think you are right in making that case..
He may be scum. But he is not giving up at all. He keeps posting, and idk how scum TSP looks like. is this scum indicative from him to defend himself like that?

what do you think of my idea to lynch dr. W?

[DrWilgy]

That said, no one besides Tony has actually responded to my case against Tony.

Do you have a case on me?

[Michelle]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

[DrWilgy]

sigh.. this looks like i have to be here at eod.. 4:27 am

if you all decided to lynch an active player and give again a pass to an inactive this is pretty hard to understand at logical level.

I don’t agree with this. I think there are cases to be made against active players.

Do you disagree with lynching inactives or not casing actives?

[DrWilgy]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

[Sloonei]

That said, no one besides Tony has actually responded to my case against Tony.

i've read it and i think you are right in making that case..
He may be scum. But he is not giving up at all. He keeps posting, and idk how scum TSP looks like. is this scum indicative from him to defend himself like that?

what do you think of my idea to lynch dr. W?

I would not expect Tony to give up regardless of his alignment.

I'm not currently in favor of lynching wilgy. He hasn't done much, but I've felt more good than bad about the little that he has done.

[Sloonei]

That said, no one besides Tony has actually responded to my case against Tony.

Do you have a case on me?

I do not.

[Sloonei]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

Voting for Tony and being willing to vote for me.

[DrWilgy]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

Voting for Tony and being willing to vote for me.

I had a bad feel on Tony before I was taken away from the game. Returning to that feeling seems correct.

It doesn't make sense that you are alive. Can't imagine this game having three doctors.

[Michelle]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

the vote on TSP and the willingness to switch to Sloonei

[Michelle]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

Voting for Tony and being willing to vote for me.

I had a bad feel on Tony before I was taken away from the game. Returning to that feeling seems correct.

It doesn't make sense that you are alive. Can't imagine this game having three doctors.

you are just desguised

[Sloonei]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

Voting for Tony and being willing to vote for me.

I had a bad feel on Tony before I was taken away from the game. Returning to that feeling seems correct.

It doesn't make sense that you are alive. Can't imagine this game having three doctors.

I take it you've not read most of the recent stuff.

[DrWilgy]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

Voting for Tony and being willing to vote for me.

I had a bad feel on Tony before I was taken away from the game. Returning to that feeling seems correct.

It doesn't make sense that you are alive. Can't imagine this game having three doctors.

I take it you've not read most of the recent stuff.

I chimed in, and then read the past 10 or so posts?

Trying to find a good point now in effort to catch up from, but I may just ISO the remaining players.

[DrWilgy]

Hi everyone.

I lied.

Now I'm actually back, but things keep coming up. Dropped a vote on TSP.

Would be willing to drop a vote on Sloonei.

explain

Which part?

Voting for Tony and being willing to vote for me.

I had a bad feel on Tony before I was taken away from the game. Returning to that feeling seems correct.

It doesn't make sense that you are alive. Can't imagine this game having three doctors.

you are just desguised

DES-PA-CITO

what do you mean?

[Sloonei]

I chimed in, and then read the past 10 or so posts?

Trying to find a good point now in effort to catch up from, but I may just ISO the remaining players.

We spent most of yesterday trying to figure out why I was still alive. Or I did, at least. And so did Tony. No one else was really talking.
I concluded that Tony is bad and he left me alive because people would be paranoid about it and try to lynch me. We ended up not lynching anybody, and then there was no kill at night. So we've had two identical phases.

[DrWilgy]

I chimed in, and then read the past 10 or so posts?

Trying to find a good point now in effort to catch up from, but I may just ISO the remaining players.

We spent most of yesterday trying to figure out why I was still alive. Or I did, at least. And so did Tony. No one else was really talking.
I concluded that Tony is bad and he left me alive because people would be paranoid about it and try to lynch me. We ended up not lynching anybody, and then there was no kill at night. So we've had two identical phases.

I see. That would be a good angle.

I propose a TSP lynch followed by a Sloonei lynch then (of course within reason. I have alot to read still.)

[Long Con]

That said, no one besides Tony has actually responded to my case against Tony.

I responded a little, and I think there are a few people voting for Tony as well. That's not a bad response.

[Sloonei]

That said, no one besides Tony has actually responded to my case against Tony.

I responded a little, and I think there are a few people voting for Tony as well. That's not a bad response.

You asked a couple questions, which I appreciate. But outside of that no one's really talked about it. Votes are nice, but I like conversation better in this context.

[Michelle]

because your username is Dr.W you are always a doctor but that doesn't mean the game has 3 docs.

[Sloonei]

No one has suggested the theory that there's a player with a bulletproof vest in the game yet and I find that ridiculous.

[Sloonei]

Alright let’s get this started. Who’s scum and why is it sig?

Thanks for your non-contribution

This exchange exists.

[Michelle]

Alright let’s get this started. Who’s scum and why is it sig?

Thanks for your non-contribution

This exchange exists.

yea.

So basically your top scum read is TSP and you town read Dr.W.

I remember i asked you soemthing with am @ did you answer?

[Michelle]

i have to sleep at least 2 -3 hours. hope to be bacl later to vote and post.

where is DDL?

[Sloonei]

Alright let’s get this started. Who’s scum and why is it sig?

Thanks for your non-contribution

This exchange exists.

yea.

So basically your top scum read is TSP and you town read Dr.W.

I remember i asked you soemthing with am @ did you answer?

What did you ask? If it was the question about wilgy, I answered. I don't want to lynch him.

I am highly confident that Tony is bad. Mac is my current top choice to be his partner, but I have not looked at everybody.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I liek Sloonei's TSP case.

Not much to add. He laid down the truths and the analyses and it made sense. The point about TSP not mentioning previous suspicions on Sloonei is a bit debatable because people civs change their minds all the time, but if you add all the other points TSP looks pretty shady.

I wasn't 100% convinced about it but it did make me feel pretty good about Sloon himself.

Anyway, [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

[Sloonei]

The point about TSP not mentioning previous suspicions on Sloonei is a bit debatable because people civs change their minds all the time, but if you add all the other points TSP looks pretty shady.

Not that I feel the need to argue the point, but it wasn't a matter of Tony changing his mind. It's a matter of him suggesting that he had a suspicion that he never expressed despite having an entire day's worth of opportunity to express it and do something about it.