Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Give me any theory as to why I’m worse than TH of NANOOK and I’ll dispute it

Go ahead, I’ve got all day

False choice.

?

Tbf, we might lunch Colin but I’m not really feelin it.

why?

I may not see townie action but I’m not really seeing scum motivation for most of what he’s saying either.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hard defense of Mac, one which continues further down the thread. I also hard defended Mac so I can't hold it against them.

Throughout TH's ISO I find myself agreeing with them more often than not, and I don't have anything that I can say is especially scummy.

You wanna make sure nobody feels like you’re a hypocrite or you wanna catch wolves? Cause I bet if we don’t find fault in anyone defending Mac just because at least one townie did so, we’re gonna have a hard time finding his partners.

What exactly are you agreeing with in TH’s iso? Like you said, he’s defended wolves would much explanation.

[sprityo]

Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

[sprityo]

Sorry but that really demotivated me.

What little energy I had is gone and I’m waiting until tomorrow to read through Ted’s iso like I said I would

[Jackofhearts2005]

Juliets has said she’s going to bed or the gym or to get something to eat about as often as she’s given actual concrete reasons for reads lately. She’s also basically ignored Jay.

I disagreed with a lot of Jay’s analysis. I think the two of them have wolf equity with Mac together.

Basically we saw these players defend Mac explicitly:
TH, Sloonei

These players lean into the idea of Sig just being the better lynch:
Jay, Juliets, SVS (I know she flipped town)

These players hit/bus Mac:
Sprityo, Tony

Epi didn’t seem to give many shits and Speed flip flopped.

Mac/Jay/Juliets and one of TH and Colin is not a bad team guess.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We’re not lynching Sprityo today. He’s never teamed with Mac. That leaves only one baddie role he can be. Them’s shitty odds even if you don’t just townread Sprityo, which I do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Juliets has said she’s going to bed or the gym or to get something to eat about as often as she’s given actual concrete reasons for reads lately. She’s also basically ignored Jay.

I disagreed with a lot of Jay’s analysis. I think the two of them have wolf equity with Mac together.

Basically we saw these players defend Mac explicitly:
TH, Sloonei

These players lean into the idea of Sig just being the better lynch:
Jay, Juliets, SVS (I know she flipped town)

These players hit/bus Mac:
Sprityo, Tony

Epi didn’t seem to give many shits and Speed flip flopped.

Mac/Jay/Juliets and one of TH and Colin is not a bad team guess.

I don’t remember what Colin did yesterday.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

We need you to be that town leader Mac and I keep telling you you can be.

The power is inside you like...like a broken metaphor inside this post.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I wanna call your vote lazy but it’s pretty fair tbh

Wait’ll he finds my posts defending Sig before I lead the lynch on Mac.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m giving Ted such a huge pass based entirely off meta...of a player I’ve never seen wolf.

More opinions on Ted and TH are desired.

[sprityo]

Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

We need you to be that town leader Mac and I keep telling you you can be.

The power is inside you like...like a broken metaphor inside this post.

Idk, I’m pretty good at rolling over and dying.

Especially when I’m busy with other things

If I’m not too busy seeing my family and friend for the first time this weekend, tomorrow I’ll put in the work

[Turnip Head]

I'm surprised Colin is willing to give such a decisive read of me, especially after I fooled him so thoroughly (and lovingly!) In Firefly

[Turnip Head]

Jay teamed with Mac is a possibility. I'll want to read through their interactions, if Jay didn't summarize them himself

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm surprised Colin is willing to give such a decisive read of me, especially after I fooled him so thoroughly (and lovingly!) In Firefly

What does that tell you about his alignment?

[Turnip Head]

I defended Mac outright but also defended sabie outright, while hard stancing radishes as bad. I'm batting around .333

[Turnip Head]

I'm surprised Colin is willing to give such a decisive read of me, especially after I fooled him so thoroughly (and lovingly!) In Firefly

What does that tell you about his alignment?

That he likes me

[Turnip Head]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[Turnip Head]

Actually idk I kinda think sprityo is bad still. I disagree with Jack.

[Turnip Head]

Ted still seems bad compared to when I saw him supatown in Danganropa. What makes you lean town in regards to his meta, [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] ?

[Turnip Head]

I could vote Ted, sprityo or Nanook at this point, possibly in that order

[Turnip Head]

Bad Colin would take advantage of me fooling him in Firefly to shade me bad here

[S~V~S]

Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

Aw you think your victims should STFU and rest quietly? How cute, no such luck, look at my flip, I have a secondary role and never expire. Whoever killed me made a mistake cause I will never STFU.

I started reading and I don't agree with Jack, either. Sprit is bad and I'll make the multilinkular post in the AM.

[Epignosis]

I wanna call your vote lazy but it’s pretty fair tbh

It isn't lazy. It's a starting point. If, in the course of my reading I find enough evidence in your favor, I'll move it. I have tonight and tomorrow.

[Epignosis]

Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

I laughed.

[Epignosis]

Epi didn’t seem to give many shits

There's a lot of that going around these days.

[Epignosis]

We’re not lynching Sprityo today. He’s never teamed with Mac. That leaves only one baddie role he can be. Them’s shitty odds even if you don’t just townread Sprityo, which I do.

Agreed. Bad odds.

[Epignosis]

I wanna call your vote lazy but it’s pretty fair tbh

Wait’ll he finds my posts defending Sig before I lead the lynch on Mac.

Nah. I have an independent reason for thinking you're good, and I don't think I'm wrong about it.

[sprityo]

Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

Aw you think your victims should STFU and rest quietly? How cute, no such luck, look at my flip, I have a secondary role and never expire. Whoever killed me made a mistake cause I will never STFU.

I started reading and I don't agree with Jack, either. Sprit is bad and I'll make the multilinkular post in the AM.

God, just what we needed

SVS talking more

Praise be to the monitor who hath picked the most talkative person outside of his sockyness MPlus7

[Epignosis]

Jay teamed with Mac is a possibility. I'll want to read through their interactions, if Jay didn't summarize them himself

It's more than a possibility.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ted still seems bad compared to when I saw him supatown in Danganropa. What makes you lean town in regards to his meta, Jackofhearts2005 ?

Idk. He just felt really really town on D1 and I don’t remember why.

[Epignosis]

I defended Mac outright but also defended sabie outright, while hard stancing radishes as bad. I'm batting around .333

Outplaying Chris Davis.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I could vote Ted, sprityo or Nanook at this point, possibly in that order

And yet...not in that order.

[sprityo]

Idk jack, it’s more and more tempting to just let town eat the shit and lynch me.

It’s obvious I’m not wanted outside of yourself in this level of the dream

[Jackofhearts2005]

My problem with TH is not that he was wrong on Mac.

My problem was that he continually townread Mac for reasons that weren’t really expressed but were somehow so strong that he never re-evaluated Mac and flipped his read on me from town to scum based on my suspicion of Mac....again, without being able to explain why Mac was town.

Contrast me not knowing why I townread Ted but I’m waffling about it and not jumping down anyone’s throat over him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Idk jack, it’s more and more tempting to just let town eat the shit and lynch me.

It’s obvious I’m not wanted outside of yourself in this level of the dream

Town most never be told to eat shit.

Nobody learns a lesson when a fellow townie throws up a middle finger and lets himself get lynched. Nobody feels bad. They just blame the lynchee for being salty instead of trying to help the town.

Plus, some of the players you think “don’t want you” really don’t. Because they’re wolves. They’re not gonna learn anything from this lynch beyond that you rolled over for them.

[Epignosis]

My problem was that he continually townread Mac for reasons that weren’t really expressed but were somehow so strong that he never re-evaluated Mac and flipped his read on me from town to scum based on my suspicion of Mac....again, without being able to explain why Mac was town.

Would you pull examples of this and talk about them?

[sprityo]

Idk jack, it’s more and more tempting to just let town eat the shit and lynch me.

It’s obvious I’m not wanted outside of yourself in this level of the dream

Town most never be told to eat shit.

Nobody learns a lesson when a fellow townie throws up a middle finger and lets himself get lynched. Nobody feels bad. They just blame the lynchee for being salty instead of trying to help the town.

Plus, some of the players you think “don’t want you” really don’t. Because they’re wolves. They’re not gonna learn anything from this lynch beyond that you rolled over for them.

Meh idk

[sprityo]

Epi, Jack

I know it’s been discussed to hell earlier

But do you think there was anything significant about the day zero poll about ice cream flavors?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

Aw you think your victims should STFU and rest quietly? How cute, no such luck, look at my flip, I have a secondary role and never expire. Whoever killed me made a mistake cause I will never STFU.

I started reading and I don't agree with Jack, either. Sprit is bad and I'll make the multilinkular post in the AM.

Which team is Sprityo on and why?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I should probably play though DR2 as quick as I can now that Sprityo is back on my time zone.

[Epignosis]

Epi, Jack

I know it’s been discussed to hell earlier

But do you think there was anything significant about the day zero poll about ice cream flavors?

I do not.

[Epignosis]

I should probably play though DR2 as quick as I can now that Sprityo is back on my time zone.

DR2?

[sprityo]

If I honestly can’t find the motivation

I can fallback on vote analysis

[sprityo]

I should probably play though DR2 as quick as I can now that Sprityo is back on my time zone.

DR2?

Danganronpa 2: goodbye despair

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi, Jack

I know it’s been discussed to hell earlier

But do you think there was anything significant about the day zero poll about ice cream flavors?

There’s always a relevance and it never actually seems to help find scum and isn’t revealed until post game.

[Epignosis]

Oh, that's off-topic. Sorry. Thought it was another newfangled thing I've never heard of.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Civs don't necessarily need to show progression they're allowed to change their mind. That's what makes it look natural.

Okay so what’s the difference between natural progression that isn’t posted to the thread and unnatural progression that just doesn’t exist?

It's a judgment call

A judgement call based on what? Telepathy?

It’s not on the thread. You can’t call something that doesn’t exist “a natural progression.”

What are you a robot? Humans have a complicated thoughtlife and not every word makes it onto the written page. You read between the lines.

[Jackofhearts2005]

By comparison jack your flip on Nutella Day 1 doesn't look natural, it looks designed

[sprityo]

Epi, Jack

I know it’s been discussed to hell earlier

But do you think there was anything significant about the day zero poll about ice cream flavors?

There’s always a relevance and it never actually seems to help find scum and isn’t revealed until post game.

I guess I was wrong

No matter, I’ll try and do vote analysis soon

It’s where I work best

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause he forgot about his townread on her cause it was fake. Or cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons) than she was when I was the only player voting for her.

My progression is out there for everyone to see. Mac's progression doesn't exist on the thread.

Nah I don't buy that

You bad

Like there’s not real reasoning here for thinking Mac is town but TH is so sure Mac is town that my 100% accurate case on Mac makes him think that I am actually scum.

If you search TH’s iso for the word “Jack” the first several results are him expressing townreads on me. The above quarter is where he changed his mind.

I don’t think he did.

I think he’s just defending a wolfbro.