Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Dom]

lol

[juliets]

One other thing before I do that though. Before we got split into levels I had a hazy read of [mention]Michelle[/mention] and slightly suspected her because she wasn't in the thread a lot showing her spunk poking and prodding as much as she normally does as a civ. In our level though she came out full force. She developed a suspicion of me and dogged me just like she does when she is civ. If you have any doubts about her I can pull some of her posts.

Wait, is that sig saying he's not mafia? Lolol.

[sig]

One other thing before I do that though. Before we got split into levels I had a hazy read of @Michelle and slightly suspected her because she wasn't in the thread a lot showing her spunk poking and prodding as much as she normally does as a civ. In our level though she came out full force. She developed a suspicion of me and dogged me just like she does when she is civ. If you have any doubts about her I can pull some of her posts.

Wait, is that sig saying he's not mafia? Lolol.

I personally dont think he's mafia.

[Sloonei]

And the whole slip thing was dumb and totally is something town sig would do. Just wanna go on record with that.

Exactly. Sloonei’s interactive analysis was the real linchpin.

[sig]

I bet you cant name 5 different reasons sig is mafia

[sig]

And the whole slip thing was dumb and totally is something town sig would do. Just wanna go on record with that.

Exactly. Sloonei’s interactive analysis was the real linchpin.

I wanted to kill you n1

[sig]

And the whole slip thing was dumb and totally is something town sig would do. Just wanna go on record with that.

Exactly. Sloonei’s interactive analysis was the real linchpin.

I wanted to kill you n1

Or we're really secret teammates and you bussed me to well.

[Turnip Head]

Jimmy and juliets for Team Master?

[Dom]

Jimmy and juliets for Team Master?

Maybe.
Or you. tbh

[speedchuck]

I wish we got three lunches out of the inception thing

[Epignosis]

I'll be with you clowns later (hopefully). I'm in the middle of Sloonei's latest novel.

[Sloonei]

I'll be with you clowns later (hopefully). I'm in the middle of Sloonei's latest novel.

I tried to really work on my character development in this one

[Sloonei]

Look for MacDougall’s ISO 2: Unveiling the Big D to hit the bookshelves at some point in the near future, unless the hosts take the thread away from me again.

[Epignosis]

"Sig calls on Mac (and Epi) to comment on baddie-gate. Mac and sig are not partners and if I'm wrong about that I will eat every shoe I own."

Why is this worth saying now?

[Sloonei]

"Sig calls on Mac (and Epi) to comment on baddie-gate. Mac and sig are not partners and if I'm wrong about that I will eat every shoe I own."

Why is this worth saying now?

I compiled that post during the night, before the threads were split up and we knew sig’s role.

[Epignosis]

"Almost elucidates on the Dom suspicion, but this is so weak that I struggle to believe it. In struggling to believe it, I have to question whether that is because Mac and Dom are partners and this case is bullshit distancing. I recall an emotional slant to Mac and Dom's exchanges which would suggest otherwise, but I won't rule it out just yet. -1 point for Dom after having received a +1 before."

If Dom and Mac are teammates, I lose respect for both of them.

[speedchuck]

"Almost elucidates on the Dom suspicion, but this is so weak that I struggle to believe it. In struggling to believe it, I have to question whether that is because Mac and Dom are partners and this case is bullshit distancing. I recall an emotional slant to Mac and Dom's exchanges which would suggest otherwise, but I won't rule it out just yet. -1 point for Dom after having received a +1 before."

If Dom and Mac are teammates, I lose respect for both of them.

Same.

[juliets]

I'm in the middle of Turnip Head's ISO and I will not finish it tonight. Does anyone know when this night phase ends?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I wish we got three lunches out of the inception thing

I agree I’m hungry

[Long Con]

I wish we got three lunches out of the inception thing

I agree I’m hungry

Lunch costs extra.

[juliets]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] when does the night phase end?

[Epignosis]

Updated rainbow list

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

Why am I green? I should not be green.

[Epignosis]

I absolutely refuse to explain a joke that has already been delivered successfully about 4 times in this game

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[Dom]

"Almost elucidates on the Dom suspicion, but this is so weak that I struggle to believe it. In struggling to believe it, I have to question whether that is because Mac and Dom are partners and this case is bullshit distancing. I recall an emotional slant to Mac and Dom's exchanges which would suggest otherwise, but I won't rule it out just yet. -1 point for Dom after having received a +1 before."

If Dom and Mac are teammates, I lose respect for both of them.

You know me too well for this.
Inception Mafia vibes, eh?

[Long Con]

@Long Con when does the night phase end?

In the next hour or so... I'm easing into it.

[juliets]

Ok thanks LC.

[juliets]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] - ISO Night 0 - Night 2

I haven't finished reading Turnip Head yet but I want to go ahead and post what I've seen so far from Night 0 - Night 2. I haven't looked closely at TH up til now because 1) I've read him as town based on his baddie meta from Firefly and 2) there have been bigger fish to fry for me.


Night 0/Day 1/Night 1

He starts out suspecting and voting Radish but then moves to vote nutella. The only thing he says about her is he thinks she would be angrier if she was town. Says to stay the course when Jack starts backing off. Also says Dom is bussing her (I don't know where he got that). Night one he makes it obvious he still thinks Radishes is bad (calls him Badishes) so I'm not sure what made him turn and vote nutella.

Calls G-Man good and Colin bad with no explanation. (He says sometimes he doesn't get into specifics because he wants to see if others see what he sees. I guess this is an ok reason but I don't believe in this method.)

Makes this post about Michelle:

I think I like Sloonei, but I don't remember why now.

maybe you can dig in memories?

This is two posts from SVS now that have felt like they could be written by a scum. Not that they are, just that they could be.

I certainly don't have a mindmeld with Radishes this game

Possible teammate distancing?

I am here, will catch up and post thoughts later today.

Uh, “champion”!

Going at Iso links and choosing the first.
Strange how he looks non interested in this game

More possible distancing?

This seems like a very weak case for distancing in my opinion.

Gives a black list of in order: Michelle, Colin, MR, sprityo, sloonei. I don't understand why MR has fallen down the list. I guess Michelle rose up because of his distancing observation. I don't know why sprityo or sloonei are mentioned (he says "vibes").

Day 2/Night 2

He asks Jay to review his Michelle observation so at least he's interested in other views. Says he sees Jack, Mac, Jimmy and Dom as town. Pretty good list except for Mac. Shushes Dizzy saying he's asking too many questions - I think questions are always good so I don't understand the shushing. Within 2 hours he votes Colin "because he's bad", says he's still down for a Radish lynch, and votes Michelle. Two hours later he's back to Colin. I don't see any reasoning for the Colin votes. He finally gives his reasons after I ask him, saying:

"his reads don't feel genuine, specifically when he called out Michelle. I think he's leaning a little too hard on the "I often get mislynched" card."

From here he makes his observation about the Mac post:

Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.

Because there are two scum teams

Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A

After making people guess what he means he says

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

I understand what Nanook says here but I don't understand the "write with a different angle" from Turnip Head. I think the point Nanook makes, which Turnip says is the answer, is not terrible. It doesn't immediately raise suspicion for me.

He gets into a back and forth with Jack about Mac's turnaround on nutella and Jack, and he ends up calling Jack bad. I also thought the turnaround Mac made was odd because it was so sudden and showed no progression and I definitely wasn't seeing Jack as bad at this point so this is not a gl for Turnip Head imo.

Dom asks him who he would vote if suddenly Colin wasn't available to vote and TH avoids the question, posting a meme. I don't think this is a gl.

Then he votes Jack with this post:

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

which I disagree with (the vote and the reason). Then when Dom asks what makes Jack bad TH just says "connect the dots" - not a good answer. Why not just answer the question? I will point out that later TH apologized to Dom for not answering his questions but that doesn't help me understand why he wouldn't answer it.

TH voted MR it looks like right before the day ended. This was probably the result of vote consolidation so fine.

Reads sabie as town but imo sabie is hard to read early.

Answers a question re: who would be on Radish's team? with Michelle and Jack. I don't agree with either of these but to be fair we know Jack is peeked green now which we didn't know then. I know somewhere around this time I had a bad gut feeling about Jack myself.

So a mixed bag. Overall my biggest objections are the Michelle distancing observation and his lack of providing reasons for his votes, and in fact refusing to provide them in at least one case. From a positive standpoint he named Radish as scum right out of the gate and I don't think that was a bussing maneuver. I'll finish this read up tomorrow.

[juliets]

Yikes I know that was a long post sorry.

[juliets]

Marking my place. Goodnight. I'll answer any questions in the morning.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Turnip Head on MacDougall:

Spoiler: show

@Turnip Head can you extrapolate on your Dom/Nutella worldview please?

I mean I could, but I'm sure it could be refuted by logic and big brains

When I am bad, I tend to try to make a big case and a big splash early to distract from lurking teammates, but I am an outlier. Most people don't do this. Of the people making big splashy cases, I found Mac the most suspish. He is also an outlier in general, and I saw him do something like it when he was bad when I hosted the Champs game with TH several years ago; make a big splashy play. @Turnip Head,do you recall this? It was end game, though, so not exactly the same, I was thinking more of his thread play.

I remember Mac being a hilariously evil genius in that game, but not the specific play you're referring to

Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?

Scum:
Almost everyone else?

Jack town
Mac town
Jimmy town
Dom town

Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.

Because there are two scum teams

Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A

What's up?

We're rescuing Mac from getting wreckt

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

idgi

you said essentially the same thing one post before mine (I got caught in linki), so I think you do get it...

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

Does anyone know how many toes MacDougall has? This is important to my read of him. He may not even be able to wear civ shoes.

For real though Mac is clearly town and anyone who can't see that is not trying hard enough

I have been calling TH one of my top townreads on gut, but I can't deny they're compatible with mac

Because we're soulmates

I am a sorcerer and each day I say “Abrica-fucking-dabra, Kalamazoo, I’m gonna make a rabbit out of you!” and nothing happens it will become more obvious.

Really? That's neat.

Really cool. Goes nowhere

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

What if he just lived on as a ghost for a little bit

He also compared you to g-man as if that's his pet vote

I don't follow your point here?

Like why would a civ bother doing that. He's setting up a "suspicion" in the same breath as "defending" you

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

TonyStarkPrime
Yes because Ted is bad and unsure if Mac is on the other team, but leaning towards him not being in the other tean

@Turnip Head
I see you why not switch to Mac?

Tell me why your voting me vs him?

Mac is town and you're maybe town. The thread seems convinced that you're both bad, if I had my way we'd be lynching Ted or pressuring jack

Gripes, starting with colored stuff:

Yellow: TH isn't merely defending Mac, they're telling us what Mac's instincts are. How should they know? That looks bogus to me.

Orange: TH's read on Mac is standout; the language they used and confidence they expressed were one of a kind in his posts. And there's close to nothing to justify that confidence. What follows is as much as there was:

Burnt orange: The read is heavily predicated upon Mac's flip of his nutella read. First of all, the entire premise that this is something mafia don't do is just balogna. Of course they do that. They do it all the time. Second, assigning that assessment to MacDougall of all people is additionally hard to believe. Mac is capable of just about anything, and one needn't play many games with him to determine that. Third, even if one accepts the premise that this was a "good look", it makes no sense to me for the look to be so good that Mac is rendered beyond reproach.

The read looks fake to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

I also dislike this post in particular.

Reducing suspicions of Mac to this is disingenuous.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think G-Man is a civilian.

[Dom]

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

I also dislike this post in particular.

Reducing suspicions of Mac to this is disingenuous.

When I was the loudest voice against Mac where were you with this?

[Dom]

I think sig is a better lynch than Mac.

lol

[Long Con]

Inferno!

With the Architect's nightmare Lassie defeated, and the Architect fled back to the Anti-Monitor, Kind Dedede was able to use the Star Rod to open a portal out of the Inception dream world. They came out in a strange world that was mostly paper and flames.

"Oooh, this is my world!" cried Harriet. "Its still here!" The smiled widely and beckoned to the rest of them. "Come on, I can get us some scrumptious scones and missile launchers!" As she began to run off, however, the flames near them began to shift and form, into a giant Anti-Monitor!

"You may have defeated my Architect, foolish heroes, but it was not without great cost!" He lifted a giant boot and smashed it down, scattering the group. "Little do you know that you will simply be undone from within!
That fool The Master is like a cancer, dismantling your pathetic attempt to survive my onslaught!"

Harriet looked around to see the heroes, bewildered and burning, as a dark shape was about to take advantage of the situation. She cried out, as did her three cats beside her, and there was a confusion of motion and flame and shouting, with the flaming Anti-Monitor effigy laughing cruelly. Abed came running out of a nearby school with a firehose, shouting, "Take THIS!" He blasted the giant right in the chest, dousing the flames quickly, and proceeded to spray the hose around at everybody, stopping them from burning, and stopping any nefarious actions that were taking place.

No one has died!

Day 5 has begun.

[Turnip Head]

Turnip Head on MacDougall:

Spoiler: show

@Turnip Head can you extrapolate on your Dom/Nutella worldview please?

I mean I could, but I'm sure it could be refuted by logic and big brains

When I am bad, I tend to try to make a big case and a big splash early to distract from lurking teammates, but I am an outlier. Most people don't do this. Of the people making big splashy cases, I found Mac the most suspish. He is also an outlier in general, and I saw him do something like it when he was bad when I hosted the Champs game with TH several years ago; make a big splashy play. @Turnip Head,do you recall this? It was end game, though, so not exactly the same, I was thinking more of his thread play.

I remember Mac being a hilariously evil genius in that game, but not the specific play you're referring to

Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?

Scum:
Almost everyone else?

Jack town
Mac town
Jimmy town
Dom town

Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.

Because there are two scum teams

Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A

What's up?

We're rescuing Mac from getting wreckt

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

idgi

you said essentially the same thing one post before mine (I got caught in linki), so I think you do get it...

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

Does anyone know how many toes MacDougall has? This is important to my read of him. He may not even be able to wear civ shoes.

For real though Mac is clearly town and anyone who can't see that is not trying hard enough

I have been calling TH one of my top townreads on gut, but I can't deny they're compatible with mac

Because we're soulmates

I am a sorcerer and each day I say “Abrica-fucking-dabra, Kalamazoo, I’m gonna make a rabbit out of you!” and nothing happens it will become more obvious.

Really? That's neat.

Really cool. Goes nowhere

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

What if he just lived on as a ghost for a little bit

He also compared you to g-man as if that's his pet vote

I don't follow your point here?

Like why would a civ bother doing that. He's setting up a "suspicion" in the same breath as "defending" you

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

TonyStarkPrime
Yes because Ted is bad and unsure if Mac is on the other team, but leaning towards him not being in the other tean

@Turnip Head
I see you why not switch to Mac?

Tell me why your voting me vs him?

Mac is town and you're maybe town. The thread seems convinced that you're both bad, if I had my way we'd be lynching Ted or pressuring jack

Gripes, starting with colored stuff:

Yellow: TH isn't merely defending Mac, they're telling us what Mac's instincts are. How should they know? That looks bogus to me.

Orange: TH's read on Mac is standout; the language they used and confidence they expressed were one of a kind in his posts. And there's close to nothing to justify that confidence. What follows is as much as there was:

Burnt orange: The read is heavily predicated upon Mac's flip of his nutella read. First of all, the entire premise that this is something mafia don't do is just balogna. Of course they do that. They do it all the time. Second, assigning that assessment to MacDougall of all people is additionally hard to believe. Mac is capable of just about anything, and one needn't play many games with him to determine that. Third, even if one accepts the premise that this was a "good look", it makes no sense to me for the look to be so good that Mac is rendered beyond reproach.

The read looks fake to me.

I was wrong but my read looks and feels authentic, you even said so yourself earlier. It wasn't until Mac actually flipped that you've now started calling my reads "disingenuous" and considering my contributions to be "nothing". I will pull your quotes if I have to. I can see now that you were being opportunistic at the time when you called my read of him authentic, and you are being opportunistic again after his flip, calling my reads "disingenuous" and "nothing".
You're taking advantage of my reads
when
they
suit
your
agenda

You are Mac's actual teammate, I'm the unwitting pawn on your chessboard.

He hadn't flipped yet = turnip's reads look real and good
After Mac flips = I hate all of turnip's read, bullet point by bullet point

[Dom]

Turnip Head as STILL yet to answer a single accusation I've levied against him.


hmmm.... i like that.

[Dom]

Turnip Head on MacDougall:

Spoiler: show

@Turnip Head can you extrapolate on your Dom/Nutella worldview please?

I mean I could, but I'm sure it could be refuted by logic and big brains

When I am bad, I tend to try to make a big case and a big splash early to distract from lurking teammates, but I am an outlier. Most people don't do this. Of the people making big splashy cases, I found Mac the most suspish. He is also an outlier in general, and I saw him do something like it when he was bad when I hosted the Champs game with TH several years ago; make a big splashy play. @Turnip Head,do you recall this? It was end game, though, so not exactly the same, I was thinking more of his thread play.

I remember Mac being a hilariously evil genius in that game, but not the specific play you're referring to

Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?

Scum:
Almost everyone else?

Jack town
Mac town
Jimmy town
Dom town

Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.

Because there are two scum teams

Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A

What's up?

We're rescuing Mac from getting wreckt

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

idgi

you said essentially the same thing one post before mine (I got caught in linki), so I think you do get it...

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

Does anyone know how many toes MacDougall has? This is important to my read of him. He may not even be able to wear civ shoes.

For real though Mac is clearly town and anyone who can't see that is not trying hard enough

I have been calling TH one of my top townreads on gut, but I can't deny they're compatible with mac

Because we're soulmates

I am a sorcerer and each day I say “Abrica-fucking-dabra, Kalamazoo, I’m gonna make a rabbit out of you!” and nothing happens it will become more obvious.

Really? That's neat.

Really cool. Goes nowhere

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

What if he just lived on as a ghost for a little bit

He also compared you to g-man as if that's his pet vote

I don't follow your point here?

Like why would a civ bother doing that. He's setting up a "suspicion" in the same breath as "defending" you

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

TonyStarkPrime
Yes because Ted is bad and unsure if Mac is on the other team, but leaning towards him not being in the other tean

@Turnip Head
I see you why not switch to Mac?

Tell me why your voting me vs him?

Mac is town and you're maybe town. The thread seems convinced that you're both bad, if I had my way we'd be lynching Ted or pressuring jack

Gripes, starting with colored stuff:

Yellow: TH isn't merely defending Mac, they're telling us what Mac's instincts are. How should they know? That looks bogus to me.

Orange: TH's read on Mac is standout; the language they used and confidence they expressed were one of a kind in his posts. And there's close to nothing to justify that confidence. What follows is as much as there was:

Burnt orange: The read is heavily predicated upon Mac's flip of his nutella read. First of all, the entire premise that this is something mafia don't do is just balogna. Of course they do that. They do it all the time. Second, assigning that assessment to MacDougall of all people is additionally hard to believe. Mac is capable of just about anything, and one needn't play many games with him to determine that. Third, even if one accepts the premise that this was a "good look", it makes no sense to me for the look to be so good that Mac is rendered beyond reproach.

The read looks fake to me.

I was wrong but my read looks and feels authentic, you even said so yourself earlier. It wasn't until Mac actually flipped that you've now started calling my reads "disingenuous" and considering my contributions to be "nothing". I will pull your quotes if I have to. I can see now that you were being opportunistic at the time when you called my read of him authentic, and you are being opportunistic again after his flip, calling my reads "disingenuous" and "nothing".
You're taking advantage of my reads
when
they
suit
your
agenda

You are Mac's actual teammate, I'm the unwitting pawn on your chessboard.

He hadn't flipped yet = turnip's reads look real and good
After Mac flips = I hate all of turnip's read, bullet point by bullet point

You're now.... mimicking Mac's take on Jack...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

I also dislike this post in particular.

Reducing suspicions of Mac to this is disingenuous.

When I was the loudest voice against Mac where were you with this?

As you saw in the quote you lol'd, I was favoring the lynch that I had more confidence in. You'll also see a wealth of me shitting in Mac's corn flakes at various other junctures to include when he was in line to be murdered instead of Radish (before the eventual lynching wagon overtook him late).

[Dom]

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

I also dislike this post in particular.

Reducing suspicions of Mac to this is disingenuous.

When I was the loudest voice against Mac where were you with this?

As you saw in the quote you lol'd, I was favoring the lynch that I had more confidence in. You'll also see a wealth of me shitting in Mac's corn flakes at various other junctures to include when he was in line to be murdered instead of Radish (before the eventual lynching wagon overtook him late).

Your shitting in his cornflakes ended as soon as the going got tough.

[Turnip Head]

Turnip Head on MacDougall:

Spoiler: show

@Turnip Head can you extrapolate on your Dom/Nutella worldview please?

I mean I could, but I'm sure it could be refuted by logic and big brains

When I am bad, I tend to try to make a big case and a big splash early to distract from lurking teammates, but I am an outlier. Most people don't do this. Of the people making big splashy cases, I found Mac the most suspish. He is also an outlier in general, and I saw him do something like it when he was bad when I hosted the Champs game with TH several years ago; make a big splashy play. @Turnip Head,do you recall this? It was end game, though, so not exactly the same, I was thinking more of his thread play.

I remember Mac being a hilariously evil genius in that game, but not the specific play you're referring to

Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?

Scum:
Almost everyone else?

Jack town
Mac town
Jimmy town
Dom town

Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.

Because there are two scum teams

Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A

What's up?

We're rescuing Mac from getting wreckt

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

idgi

you said essentially the same thing one post before mine (I got caught in linki), so I think you do get it...

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

Does anyone know how many toes MacDougall has? This is important to my read of him. He may not even be able to wear civ shoes.

For real though Mac is clearly town and anyone who can't see that is not trying hard enough

I have been calling TH one of my top townreads on gut, but I can't deny they're compatible with mac

Because we're soulmates

I am a sorcerer and each day I say “Abrica-fucking-dabra, Kalamazoo, I’m gonna make a rabbit out of you!” and nothing happens it will become more obvious.

Really? That's neat.

Really cool. Goes nowhere

The case on Mac is top notch cringe mainly driven by Sig's woman scorned persona

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

What if he just lived on as a ghost for a little bit

He also compared you to g-man as if that's his pet vote

I don't follow your point here?

Like why would a civ bother doing that. He's setting up a "suspicion" in the same breath as "defending" you

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

TonyStarkPrime
Yes because Ted is bad and unsure if Mac is on the other team, but leaning towards him not being in the other tean

@Turnip Head
I see you why not switch to Mac?

Tell me why your voting me vs him?

Mac is town and you're maybe town. The thread seems convinced that you're both bad, if I had my way we'd be lynching Ted or pressuring jack

Gripes, starting with colored stuff:

Yellow: TH isn't merely defending Mac, they're telling us what Mac's instincts are. How should they know? That looks bogus to me.

Orange: TH's read on Mac is standout; the language they used and confidence they expressed were one of a kind in his posts. And there's close to nothing to justify that confidence. What follows is as much as there was:

Burnt orange: The read is heavily predicated upon Mac's flip of his nutella read. First of all, the entire premise that this is something mafia don't do is just balogna. Of course they do that. They do it all the time. Second, assigning that assessment to MacDougall of all people is additionally hard to believe. Mac is capable of just about anything, and one needn't play many games with him to determine that. Third, even if one accepts the premise that this was a "good look", it makes no sense to me for the look to be so good that Mac is rendered beyond reproach.

The read looks fake to me.

I was wrong but my read looks and feels authentic, you even said so yourself earlier. It wasn't until Mac actually flipped that you've now started calling my reads "disingenuous" and considering my contributions to be "nothing". I will pull your quotes if I have to. I can see now that you were being opportunistic at the time when you called my read of him authentic, and you are being opportunistic again after his flip, calling my reads "disingenuous" and "nothing".
You're taking advantage of my reads
when
they
suit
your
agenda

You are Mac's actual teammate, I'm the unwitting pawn on your chessboard.

He hadn't flipped yet = turnip's reads look real and good
After Mac flips = I hate all of turnip's read, bullet point by bullet point

You're now.... mimicking Mac's take on Jack...

Well I didn't mean to

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was wrong but my read looks and feels authentic, you even said so yourself earlier. It wasn't until Mac actually flipped that you've now started calling my reads "disingenuous" and considering my contributions to be "nothing". I will pull your quotes if I have to. I can see now that you were being opportunistic at the time when you called my read of him authentic, and you are being opportunistic again after his flip, calling my reads "disingenuous" and "nothing".
You're taking advantage of my reads
when
they
suit
your
agenda

You are Mac's actual teammate, I'm the unwitting pawn on your chessboard.

He hadn't flipped yet = turnip's reads look real and good
After Mac flips = I hate all of turnip's read, bullet point by bullet point

I said your reception of Jack's suspicion looked on-brand. What I meant was that you were being a contrarian. That's your shtick.

When a player's alignment is revealed and I return to the posts to make new judgments, sometimes those judgments don't align entirely with previous judgments. That's because I'm a civilian without a single fart to give about this sort of irrelevant "consistency".

You may not be Mac's teammate. I don't know turbup. But I think there's a better case here than the one you have defaulted your prior defenses to: that you defended him. And it needs to be considered.

[Dom]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Your shitting in his cornflakes ended as soon as the going got tough.

I don't fault you for thinking so. I had more confidence in lynching both Radishes and sig. Killing them was my objective. Keeping Mac alive was not.

If you judge otherwise then that's the game. Oh well.

[Dom]

How am I to think you are genuine in your suspicion of turnip head?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How am I to think you are genuine in your suspicion of turnip head?

Review the brief exchange between us late in the night phase and then the Mac review I posted. I meant everything I said. I am suspicious of Turnip Head. Beyond that I don't know what to tell you.

[Dom]

...seems like you're buddying me tbh.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

...seems like you're buddying me tbh.

I don't care. I read you as a civilian.

[Dom]

...seems like you're buddying me tbh.

I don't care. I read you as a civilian.

...uhh... I care?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

...seems like you're buddying me tbh.

I don't care. I read you as a civilian.

...uhh... I care?

I believe you.