Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

Mac's capable of it. I don't think that makes Tranq look better or worse given that Mac only floated the name. He didn't push the issue.

I can tell you Michelle that in the Jay game I looked at Mac really pushed his teammate Jay as opposed to just floating his name. Pushed hard.

If you’re referring to Transistor, Mac was not a mafioso in that game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

tedxtr I just scanned through your posts again. Since Mac was lynched, your hunting work has been quite limited — not in terms of post count, but in terms of post content. I see the following:

- The push against juliets that I didn’t like
- Push against sprityo D4
- A single vague dig at Jack
- A single vague dig at Michelle
- Today’s brief dig at TSP
- A theory predicated on inferring game/role mechanics and sig’s strategic intentions

There may have been another one-line/one-post shade in there. I think I remember one but not who. Phone.

This seems to contrast your play earlier in the game. I don’t know what you’re doing. What are you doing?

Penny for anyone's thoughts

On one hand, we're mostly all slow since Mac was lynched. That case can be made against anyone. On the other, Ted seems to have intentionally stopped pushing anything big. I'll still anti-tunnel him though just because I think the sharpness is town-ish. And I like the push against Juliets -- scum can probably take easier cases more successfully.

Tony, why did you like the push against me? It was based on him thinking I said something I didn't say, as he admitted. Did you miss that part?

I like the idea of the push for the reason I lay out. Ted seems a little uninspired but he’s not flailing as scum does. Therefore, him pushing a holey case on you is unnecessary given that you won’t be lynched. Maybe he misread the room, maybe he missed something else. But it’s not a mistake that scum makes.

[TonyStarkPrime]

NO one wants to discuss Michelle/TH's claim?

TH claimed to have shot Michelle? Is that what you’re referring to? Did I miss something else?

[ColinIsCool]

I'm accusing you of having teammates alerting you to your name being mentioned. You disappear for days at a time, reappear without thoughts or hunting because someone has mentioned your name.

So, when are you gonna stop hiding behind how mean I am and start playing the game in earnest?

Your accusations are just not based in reality — I’ve been here every day, reading and having thoughts. But there’s no way beyond what I’m already doing in posting to prove that to you, so it’s a waste of my time to try. A lot of your points are like this which is why I presume others don’t respond to you. Maybe you will reconsider the absolute faith you put in your tunneling when the game is over.

[ColinIsCool]

I would encourage you to not lynch me because the numbers are diminishing for town but it seems like a combination of low activity from most players + lowest posters already casting votes makes it look inevitable. (And since the votes are overwhelmingly against TH in the PMs I probably won’t cast a vote there either.)

If there’s any way I could be of use before then, I’ll check back in — otherwise, you have my named suspects, do with em what you will.

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: Speed] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Dom, we're already lynching TH via secret vote.

[speedchuck]

Every time I look at speedchuck's posts with renewed motivation to find some kind of spark of something, I still emerge with a shrug. The most significant contribution he has provided recently, to my memory, was his dig at Nanook for the "you trust me for the wrong reasons" thing. I think that was technically a "valid" suspicion, but it was also not much of anything in the context of a Day 5 pursuit. It's all so vacant of feeling. It's a cadaver.

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

Apart from dear departed Nanook, what do you hate most about these people?

Tedxtr - toneread, for his bluster in the early stages of the game.
TH - compatibility with scum wagons
JJJ - keeps making me do things

[speedchuck]

Oh heck yeah we're lynching colin and I've read like one of his posts. I'm cool with taht.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

[Michelle]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

Mac's capable of it. I don't think that makes Tranq look better or worse given that Mac only floated the name. He didn't push the issue.

I can tell you @Michelle that in the Jay game I looked at Mac really pushed his teammate Jay as opposed to just floating his name. Pushed hard.

did he won that game?

[Turnip Head]

Oh heck yeah we're lynching colin and I've read like one of his posts. I'm cool with taht.

How unchuck of you

[TonyStarkPrime]

Oh heck yeah we're lynching colin and I've read like one of his posts. I'm cool with taht.

self aware scum still scum

[juliets]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

Mac's capable of it. I don't think that makes Tranq look better or worse given that Mac only floated the name. He didn't push the issue.

I can tell you Michelle that in the Jay game I looked at Mac really pushed his teammate Jay as opposed to just floating his name. Pushed hard.

If you’re referring to Transistor, Mac was not a mafioso in that game.

I'm so sorry guys. I somehow thought Mac was bad and Jay's partner in that game.

[juliets]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

Mac's capable of it. I don't think that makes Tranq look better or worse given that Mac only floated the name. He didn't push the issue.

I can tell you @Michelle that in the Jay game I looked at Mac really pushed his teammate Jay as opposed to just floating his name. Pushed hard.

did he won that game?

Michelle, I misread that Mac was bad in that game - he was not, so please just ignore my point.

[Sloonei]

Who are we privately lynching?

[juliets]

Who are we privately lynching?

Turnip Head last I heard.

[speedchuck]

Oh heck yeah we're lynching colin and I've read like one of his posts. I'm cool with taht.

self aware scum still scum

Sure buddy, sure.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Michelle and Sabie are never getting switched -- you don't BD two teammates.
And TH isn't flipping AM because then he never shoots his teammate. So TH is limited to the Master scum team, and if he tried to shoot Michelle then they aren't on the same team.

TH is like claiming vig here isn't it?
The role may be:
"Jack of all Trades - You begin the game with four one-shot powers: doctor, vigilante, tracker, and roleblocker."

How come he had a refill last night? This sounds like a lie.
He claimed he tried again to shoot but he was blocked. I think we have to thanks Nanook02 for this block.

Claiming is against the rules except with items. I'll leave you to review the rest yourself.

i forgot about that.

This is kinda dumb but I find this to be a townie mindset. A townie is ready to claim because they can claim and could forget that they aren't allowed to. A mafia players cannot readily claim and remembers this is fine because they can't be forced to. Thus, scum either doesn't expect players to try to claim or feels that when they do so, they are bending the rules. Michelle does not feel this way because she is town.

[Turnip Head]

I hope we continue to play smart after I'm gone. I believe in town's abilities as long as we hold the tenacity to follow through. Sorry I wasn't a better resource. I think I'm a washed-up has-been mafia player who's gone well past my expiration date

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for poll management

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tedxtr - toneread, for his bluster in the early stages of the game.
TH - compatibility with scum wagons
JJJ - keeps making me do things

These aren't reads

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I see no reason why "bluster" should be suspicious, whatever that means.

"Compatibility with scum wagons" is generic and undeveloped defaulting.

"Keeps making me do things" attempts to turn token suspicion of me into humor.

[Turnip Head]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[juliets]

Are we trying to have two people close together?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I see a faint sliver of emotion when Colin responds to suspicion. I see a dead fish when speedchuck responds to suspicion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are we trying to have two people close together?

I'm not really "trying", but there is value in it. I want people invested in their votes, and the Anti-Monitor dynamic provides additional cause.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dom[/mention] who's getting your secret vote?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be clear, I do not want folks trying to create a close secret vote. That thing is vulnerable to a Masters team voting block, so consensus is required.

[Turnip Head]

Yeah I'm comfortable being the secret vote dummy, this worked out okay in that regard

[speedchuck]

Tedxtr - toneread, for his bluster in the early stages of the game.
TH - compatibility with scum wagons
JJJ - keeps making me do things

These aren't reads

I elaborated on the tedxtr read when I had it. I don't have time today to remake cases. Go find it in my iso, it's not that long.

Meh to everything else. You didn't ask for reads in the first place.

[speedchuck]

I see a faint sliver of emotion when Colin responds to suspicion. I see a dead fish when speedchuck responds to suspicion.

Yes, I always have dead emotions when I'm a baddie.

[Turnip Head]

If speedchuck votes for himself we can lynch him

[Dom]

I'm accusing you of having teammates alerting you to your name being mentioned. You disappear for days at a time, reappear without thoughts or hunting because someone has mentioned your name.

So, when are you gonna stop hiding behind how mean I am and start playing the game in earnest?

Your accusations are just not based in reality — I’ve been here every day, reading and having thoughts. But there’s no way beyond what I’m already doing in posting to prove that to you, so it’s a waste of my time to try. A lot of your points are like this which is why I presume others don’t respond to you. Maybe you will reconsider the absolute faith you put in your tunneling when the game is over.

March 10, 2020
March 12, 2020

This is reality. You disappear and come back when your name comes up. Just because you are not liking that I am giving you shit does not make me tunneling, rude, mean, or otherwise unqualified to scrutinize you.

You are mirroring the rhetoric Mac used.
Why?

[Dom]

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Dom, we're already lynching TH via secret vote.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

[Dom]

@Dom who's getting your secret vote?

TH

[speedchuck]

I'm not playing to please, and I'm not playing with a loaded deck of time. I'm not playing with 'feelings', whatever the heck JJJ means by that. Though I did have an earnest case against Tedxstr in the early game.

What do you think now about Speed?

He is in my POE.

speedchuck’s place in this game for me has been to exist. He is here, he is somewhat involved, and I generally don’t feel much from it. While I cannot confidently call him a mafioso, I have no reason to call him a civilian either.

Glad to hear that.

As I alluded to here, I've succeeded at my goal this game with the limited time I've had. I've been involved, I've existed, I'm a person that can be read and can be counted on to vote. But I'm not going to make anyone 'feel' this game.

linki:

If speedchuck votes for himself we can lynch him

[Turnip Head]

linki:

If speedchuck votes for himself we can lynch him

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not playing to please, and I'm not playing with a loaded deck of time. I'm not playing with 'feelings', whatever the heck JJJ means by that. Though I did have an earnest case against Tedxstr in the early game.

This is just hard to believe, this notion that you're baffled by my expectation that emotion should be visible. This is ordinary Mafia hunting stuff, not some novel attack that I've invented for the 2019 GOC. Your sarcastic orange thing before that reinforces the idea.

I actually don't think I remember you being an emotional bad guy. If you can recall an exception or counter-example, point the way.

[Dom]

Everyone I suspect on one train, everyone else on the other lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everyone I suspect on one train, everyone else on the other lol

I don't oppose a Colin lynch. He's on the shortlist.

[speedchuck]

I'm not playing to please, and I'm not playing with a loaded deck of time. I'm not playing with 'feelings', whatever the heck JJJ means by that. Though I did have an earnest case against Tedxstr in the early game.

This is just hard to believe, this notion that you're baffled by my expectation that emotion should be visible. This is ordinary Mafia hunting stuff, not some novel attack that I've invented for the 2019 GOC. Your sarcastic orange thing before that reinforces the idea.

I actually don't think I remember you being an emotional bad guy. If you can recall an exception or counter-example, point the way.

I'm probably not, come to think of it. Though I do get invested sometimes.

I recognize that you're looking for that investment, a genuine desire for hunting perhaps. You're not going to find that much from me this game. You can check my other town games in the past six months and see what you see there, on the flipside. When I don't have time, I don't have much at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm probably not, come to think of it. Though I do get invested sometimes.

I recognize that you're looking for that investment, a genuine desire for hunting perhaps. You're not going to find that much from me this game. You can check my other town games in the past six months and see what you see there, on the flipside. When I don't have time, I don't have much at all.

I don't fault you for being short on time and having less overall to offer. That's the way it goes. What I do think is different for This Speedchuck over Those Speedchucks though is your handling of suspicion. In the recent past, I remember you falling into similar POE positions where you were kind of a default suspect merely for not having a lot of content. Then, when someone tried to lynch you, you showed fire in your resistance to that.

You did it to me in the MU Season 6 Scrimmage when I was trying to mislynch you. You didn't shrug and say whatever. You fought back against a JJJ that you viewed as nefarious trying to take advantage of you. You've said that you suspect me in this game too (still not clear on why), and here I am now driving a wagon that threatens to end you. In response, I get no fire. I get shrugs.

[Dom]

Everyone I suspect on one train, everyone else on the other lol

I don't oppose a Colin lynch. He's on the shortlist.

You ARE voting on the opposition lynch wagon.

[Michelle]

Like I said in the dream level, for me this game means very much emotion. Is hard to read without emotion.
When a player is emotionless, from various reasons, I cannot read him because words are just words and who can speak his mind easy and eloquent, that one can manipulate the game.
This is why this post makes me dislike Speed. Idk if it makes him mafia, but doesn't put him in a towny position.

I'm not playing to please, and I'm not playing with a loaded deck of time. I'm not playing with 'feelings', whatever the heck JJJ means by that. Though I did have an earnest case against Tedxstr in the early game.

What do you think now about Speed?

He is in my POE.

speedchuck’s place in this game for me has been to exist. He is here, he is somewhat involved, and I generally don’t feel much from it. While I cannot confidently call him a mafioso, I have no reason to call him a civilian either.

Glad to hear that.

As I alluded to here, I've succeeded at my goal this game with the limited time I've had. I've been involved, I've existed, I'm a person that can be read and can be counted on to vote. But I'm not going to make anyone 'feel' this game.

linki:

If speedchuck votes for himself we can lynch him

Spoiler: show

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everyone I suspect on one train, everyone else on the other lol

I don't oppose a Colin lynch. He's on the shortlist.

You ARE voting on the opposition lynch wagon.

I don't care. They're both suspects, and there are hours remaining.

[Turnip Head]

Surprised to not see Ted taken more seriously as a suspect

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Surprised to not see Ted taken more seriously as a suspect

He's on the shortlist.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I still don't trust Epignosis.