Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Michelle and Sabie are never getting switched -- you don't BD two teammates.
And TH isn't flipping AM because then he never shoots his teammate. So TH is limited to the Master scum team, and if he tried to shoot Michelle then they aren't on the same team.

[TonyStarkPrime]

multi-ball is fake this is regular mafia

[Dom]

i agree they aren't aligned.

i don't understand your point about michelle.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Observers: Commence to comment.

I'm keen to lynch Colin. On that front, sure. I agree with your conclusion. One question:

You noted Colin agreeing with Dyslexicon about a point against Tony. You said you sought follow-up. Later you observed Colin's Day 2 vote for Tony and said you didn't know why he placed it. And lastly you mentioned that the "Tony stuff you were looking for" was vague.

Please expand on all of that. It looks disjointed to me, and at times I struggled to follow what you were saying in general within that case.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

tedxtr I just scanned through your posts again. Since Mac was lynched, your hunting work has been quite limited — not in terms of post count, but in terms of post content. I see the following:

- The push against juliets that I didn’t like
- Push against sprityo D4
- A single vague dig at Jack
- A single vague dig at Michelle
- Today’s brief dig at TSP
- A theory predicated on inferring game/role mechanics and sig’s strategic intentions

There may have been another one-line/one-post shade in there. I think I remember one but not who. Phone.

This seems to contrast your play earlier in the game. I don’t know what you’re doing. What are you doing?

Penny for anyone's thoughts

[Dom]

I agree, Jay

[TonyStarkPrime]

tedxtr I just scanned through your posts again. Since Mac was lynched, your hunting work has been quite limited — not in terms of post count, but in terms of post content. I see the following:

- The push against juliets that I didn’t like
- Push against sprityo D4
- A single vague dig at Jack
- A single vague dig at Michelle
- Today’s brief dig at TSP
- A theory predicated on inferring game/role mechanics and sig’s strategic intentions

There may have been another one-line/one-post shade in there. I think I remember one but not who. Phone.

This seems to contrast your play earlier in the game. I don’t know what you’re doing. What are you doing?

Penny for anyone's thoughts

On one hand, we're mostly all slow since Mac was lynched. That case can be made against anyone. On the other, Ted seems to have intentionally stopped pushing anything big. I'll still anti-tunnel him though just because I think the sharpness is town-ish. And I like the push against Juliets -- scum can probably take easier cases more successfully.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I consider TH's claim, I am left with two questions:

1) Did they fire the shot in the first place?

2) If so, did it happen as they claim (targeted Michelle, sabie died instead)?

#1 must just be taken or left. Anyone in the game can utilize the green arrow thing regardless of alignment. Sure.

#2 is something else. It'd seem bizarre to have directly shot a mafioso and then claim that it happened by accident. So if TH fired the shot, I am inclined to believe that they didn't hit the player they meant to hit.

As such, I think Tony's assertion is accurate -- it's unlikely that TH is the Anti-Monitor. I don't see any applicable redirection roles apart from the Architect (sig). Thus, sig didn't direct one teammate's arrow kill into another. If he actually did murder his own teammate by mistake though that is beautiful.

I think a mafioso Turnip Head makes more sense as a Master teamer by way of Mac interactions as well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Speed
Turnip
Jay

What do you hate most about these people?

[Michelle]

Michelle and Sabie are never getting switched -- you don't BD two teammates.
And TH isn't flipping AM because then he never shoots his teammate. So TH is limited to the Master scum team, and if he tried to shoot Michelle then they aren't on the same team.

TH is like claiming vig here isn't it?
The role may be:
"Jack of all Trades - You begin the game with four one-shot powers: doctor, vigilante, tracker, and roleblocker."

How come he had a refill last night? This sounds like a lie.
He claimed he tried again to shoot but he was blocked. I think we have to thanks Nanook02 for this block.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Every time I look at speedchuck's posts with renewed motivation to find some kind of spark of something, I still emerge with a shrug. The most significant contribution he has provided recently, to my memory, was his dig at Nanook for the "you trust me for the wrong reasons" thing. I think that was technically a "valid" suspicion, but it was also not much of anything in the context of a Day 5 pursuit. It's all so vacant of feeling. It's a cadaver.

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

Apart from dear departed Nanook, what do you hate most about these people?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Michelle and Sabie are never getting switched -- you don't BD two teammates.
And TH isn't flipping AM because then he never shoots his teammate. So TH is limited to the Master scum team, and if he tried to shoot Michelle then they aren't on the same team.

TH is like claiming vig here isn't it?
The role may be:
"Jack of all Trades - You begin the game with four one-shot powers: doctor, vigilante, tracker, and roleblocker."

How come he had a refill last night? This sounds like a lie.
He claimed he tried again to shoot but he was blocked. I think we have to thanks Nanook02 for this block.

Claiming is against the rules except with items. I'll leave you to review the rest yourself.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Speed
Turnip
Jay

What do you hate most about these people?

Speed's been playing slow, with a little more confidence than I think town should have.
Turnip opened day 6 (and some of day 5) with an opposite reaction, the "I'm caught scum and will now try to not die"
I don't want Jay to get away with almost getting lynched.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My throat is starting to feel scratchy and sore, and I am feeling a bit warm.

Uh oh.

[Michelle]

Michelle and Sabie are never getting switched -- you don't BD two teammates.
And TH isn't flipping AM because then he never shoots his teammate. So TH is limited to the Master scum team, and if he tried to shoot Michelle then they aren't on the same team.

TH is like claiming vig here isn't it?
The role may be:
"Jack of all Trades - You begin the game with four one-shot powers: doctor, vigilante, tracker, and roleblocker."

How come he had a refill last night? This sounds like a lie.
He claimed he tried again to shoot but he was blocked. I think we have to thanks Nanook02 for this block.

Claiming is against the rules except with items. I'll leave you to review the rest yourself.

i forgot about that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't want Jay to get away with almost getting lynched.

Well now what does that mean?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't want Jay to get away with almost getting lynched.

Well now what does that mean?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My private vote is on TH right now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
Does the Take Five Bomb affect the private vote?

[tedxtr]

I’m voting TH secretly and still reviewing Colin / speed / jay

I kind of not want to go over a 500 post ISO though, I think if I get to live til later I’ll just PoE jay out

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There's really no excuse to not get at least one mafioso. A double lynch is a huge civilian boon. I should know, they were ordinary in the RYM Mafia stone age.

[Michelle]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

Mac's capable of it. I don't think that makes Tranq look better or worse given that Mac only floated the name. He didn't push the issue.

[Michelle]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

Mac's capable of it. I don't think that makes Tranq look better or worse given that Mac only floated the name. He didn't push the issue.

Then is worthy to further annalize it i think.

[Michelle]

I will switch my vote on Colin based on his Iso, I don't have time for quotes and all but I don't never see in his posts a towny push on someone, like an idea he could take from the thread he said he spent hours to read and make something useful with it.

The thing he spotted in my post about Radishes in the start of the game, when he says I talked generally about 3rds, is wrong, my idea was strictly connected with how Radishes played this game and the Inception game. Now rereading his take I sense a shade but he didn't follow it and gave me a town lean later.This is not looking like a prudent townie who thinks he don't want to push a fellow townie but like a scum who don't want to bother.
Is not so much about Colin being scummy but about him not being villagery.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

my secret vote goes to Turnip Head

@ me with changes of plans, I will go to work

[Tranq]

[VOTE: Secret vote: TH] aubergine
[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Colin is a low energy lynch

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Colin is a low energy lynch

Who isn't, and why does this matter to you?

[Tranq]

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Colin is a low energy lynch

Who isn't, and why does this matter to you?

Lynch energy tiers:

Jack
Dom, Epi
Juliets, Sloonei, Tony
Jay, G-Man, Tranq, Ted
Speed, Michelle
Colin
Turnip

I would rather more split pushes on tiers 4 and 5 than consolidating on Colin and Turnip.

[Tranq]

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lynch energy tiers:

Jack
Dom, Epi
Juliets, Sloonei, Tony
Jay, G-Man, Tranq, Ted
Speed, Michelle
Colin
Turnip

I would rather more split pushes on tiers 4 and 5 than consolidating on Colin and Turnip.

Those tiers strike me as arbitrary. I struggle to extract a coherent pattern. What is the pattern?

We should absolutely continue to discuss options instead of falling asleep at our keyboards with no further discourse. I do think however that earlier consolidation is best for the private vote, as that one requires active communication right here in this thread beyond I looked at the poll and saw wagons. That needn't be a cluster at the deadline if it can be avoided. Who do you want to be each lynch?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Cool beans. Are Sloonei/those three the only ones for whom that applies? I realize I asked for exactly three names.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Lynch energy tiers:

Jack
Dom, Epi
Juliets, Sloonei, Tony
Jay, G-Man, Tranq, Ted
Speed, Michelle
Colin
Turnip

I would rather more split pushes on tiers 4 and 5 than consolidating on Colin and Turnip.

Those tiers strike me as arbitrary. I struggle to extract a coherent pattern. What is the pattern?

We should absolutely continue to discuss options instead of falling asleep at our keyboards with no further discourse. I do think however that earlier consolidation is best for the private vote, as that one requires active communication right here in this thread beyond I looked at the poll and saw wagons. That needn't be a cluster at the deadline if it can be avoided. Who do you want to be each lynch?

I think TH is a good consensus secret lynch. I think we can debate among the rest for the other one. I’ll be back to push some candidates at not 4 am.
Where are the tiers from? It’s more or less a “if someone was like ‘X is bad and here’s a vague reason why’ how much pushback would they get” question. I don’t think there’s a pattern per se, but I do think this is pretty accurate? Anything that seems off to you?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think TH is a good consensus secret lynch. I think we can debate among the rest for the other one. I’ll be back to push some candidates at not 4 am.
Where are the tiers from? It’s more or less a “if someone was like ‘X is bad and here’s a vague reason why’ how much pushback would they get” question. I don’t think there’s a pattern per se, but I do think this is pretty accurate? Anything that seems off to you?

"Energy" is a vague thing. This seems like a roundabout way of saying some players are harder to lynch than others right now, so okay. Your list reflects that more or less. Does this mean something to you with respect to the alignments of people?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I eagerly await a speedchuck post that makes me feel something.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I eagerly await a tedxtr post that doesn't look shook.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think TH is a good consensus secret lynch. I think we can debate among the rest for the other one. I’ll be back to push some candidates at not 4 am.
Where are the tiers from? It’s more or less a “if someone was like ‘X is bad and here’s a vague reason why’ how much pushback would they get” question. I don’t think there’s a pattern per se, but I do think this is pretty accurate? Anything that seems off to you?

"Energy" is a vague thing. This seems like a roundabout way of saying some players are harder to lynch than others right now, so okay. Your list reflects that more or less. Does this mean something to you with respect to the alignments of people?

I don’t think the gradient is steep. I think the difference between the likelihood that Juliets is scum vs Colin is much much smaller than the chances that Juliets is lynched vs Colin.

[TonyStarkPrime]

In general, my personal tier list has the people in the top two tiers as safe town and everyone else in a pool of meh.

[G-Man]

On board with the Colin & TH plan based on their votes. Colin’s D2 and D3 votes look compatible with Team Master. TH could be compatible with Team Master or Anti-Monitor. I haven’t had time to add D5 to my colorized vote data. I want to consider that with my analysis of prior days.

Having not much content of value myself, I hesitate to call anyone else’s out just yet today. I’m going to try to re-read D5 at lunch today.

Now that I work in the administrative offices for a school district, it’s been interesting. There was a lot of War Room activity yesterday and there’s a state webinar today plus more war rooming. Stay calm and safe folks.

And please don’t flush napkins, toilet paper, or wet wipes! It will clog pipes and sewer plants. If society breaks down when people have to take care of their business with buckets, I won’t let you into my doomsday compound.

[G-Man]

oof- I meant to say don’t flush paper towels! Toilet paper is fair game.

[Turnip Head]

Ted is basically bad if we'd rather lynch mafia. Colin is civilian. Ted is not. I probably won't explain these reads they're just hunches

[juliets]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] my three names are

ted
Colin
Turnip Head

[juliets]

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

reading Colin's Iso I found this quote.

Is specific for Mac to shade a team mate?

Mac's capable of it. I don't think that makes Tranq look better or worse given that Mac only floated the name. He didn't push the issue.

I can tell you [mention]Michelle[/mention] that in the Jay game I looked at Mac really pushed his teammate Jay as opposed to just floating his name. Pushed hard.

[juliets]

tedxtr I just scanned through your posts again. Since Mac was lynched, your hunting work has been quite limited — not in terms of post count, but in terms of post content. I see the following:

- The push against juliets that I didn’t like
- Push against sprityo D4
- A single vague dig at Jack
- A single vague dig at Michelle
- Today’s brief dig at TSP
- A theory predicated on inferring game/role mechanics and sig’s strategic intentions

There may have been another one-line/one-post shade in there. I think I remember one but not who. Phone.

This seems to contrast your play earlier in the game. I don’t know what you’re doing. What are you doing?

Penny for anyone's thoughts

On one hand, we're mostly all slow since Mac was lynched. That case can be made against anyone. On the other, Ted seems to have intentionally stopped pushing anything big. I'll still anti-tunnel him though just because I think the sharpness is town-ish. And I like the push against Juliets -- scum can probably take easier cases more successfully.

Tony, why did you like the push against me? It was based on him thinking I said something I didn't say, as he admitted. Did you miss that part?

[juliets]

Ok I'm voting

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

and my secret vote will be on Turnip.

I should be home from work by 2:00 today so plenty of time for further discussion.

[juliets]

I'm also ok voting ted.

[Dom]

NO one wants to discuss Michelle/TH's claim?