Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[juliets]

Reading through Jay's post about Ted I had a town Ted vibe from the quoted posts.
Town Ted is often wrong in a sure way and get mislynched players with his conviction.
Idk how are looking his latest scum games because I only saw him villager since his mafia hiatus from autumn. But he was more blendy as scum.
If I am allowed to post a link to an outside forum I will post a recent town Ted game.

@Juliets you said Jack's stuborness about Jay may come from a mechanical evidence. Also Jack TR Tranq. Would it be possible for Jack to have any alignament checks? Is normal for town Jack to be wrong, but would he spend his all day on Jay just because his own read? Wouldn't be healthier for town to have a larger view over the game? Jack's behaviour doesn't fit in a normal towny play.

Michelle thanks for the info about ted. I need to consider what you are saying.

I thought maybe Jack's stubbornness on Jay was because he tracked Jay one night and saw him target someone who died. Jack was able to track someone, watch someone, or protect himself from a NK. He didn't have any alignment checks. I looked at the items to make sure there wasn't an alignment check there and there wasn't. Jack has been known to tunnel as both town and scum - remember he did it to nutella early in the game.

[Epignosis]

If.

Was Dizzy not?

Was Dizzy not what?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If.

Was Dizzy not?

Was Dizzy not what?

A civilian. Or does your "if" refer to some other component of what I said?

[Michelle]

Folks want to clear this guy all game long based on BTSC when a janitor exists, and we deserve what we get.

Who is "this guy?"

Epignosis

you didn't read my posts. I cleared him based on the way Sloonei talked about him and his presence in the lynch d4 level.
Do you think I am wrong? It's just logic, not mafia science but looks solid.

[Epignosis]

If.

Was Dizzy not?

Was Dizzy not what?

A civilian. Or does your "if" refer to some other component of what I said?

It applies to all of it. You are conducting speculation that I know to be false. I know my role. You are stirring up shit. I was using a well-known laconic phrase (Google it).

[Epignosis]

Oh shit MP is watching us masturbate.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have three hours. I’m going to read JOH’s stuff on Jay last day to see if I can glean anything.

You have had many hours. Why are you stirring shit up toward the end of the Day phase?

Change of heart.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It applies to all of it. You are conducting speculation that I know to be false. I know my role. You are stirring up shit. I was using a well-known laconic phrase (Google it).

I am responding to speculation that I know to be questionable. I have been saying this about you for days now. Days and days. You have no idea what the hell I have posted. You're bad.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have three hours. I’m going to read JOH’s stuff on Jay last day to see if I can glean anything.

You have had many hours. Why are you stirring shit up toward the end of the Day phase?

Change of heart.

Also I voted for Tranq at the beginning of the day as well.

[Epignosis]

It applies to all of it. You are conducting speculation that I know to be false. I know my role. You are stirring up shit. I was using a well-known laconic phrase (Google it).

I am responding to speculation that I know to be questionable. I have been saying this about you for days now. Days and days. You have no idea what the hell I have posted. You're bad.

You've accused everyone of being bad at one point or another. You have no bearing on this game. You are bad. You must die.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Folks want to clear this guy all game long based on BTSC when a janitor exists, and we deserve what we get.

Who is "this guy?"

Epignosis

you didn't read my posts. I cleared him based on the way Sloonei talked about him and his presence in the lynch d4 level.
Do you think I am wrong? It's just logic, not mafia science but looks solid.

I can understand why you might like him on the basis of Sloonei's comments. That was my initial take. Consider Epignosis's comments on Sloonei though. I hated that review.

Remind me what you like about his Day 4.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You've accused everyone of being bad at one point or another.

You haven't the faintest idea what I have said or done. That's clear.

[Epignosis]

My avatar is bigger than yours.

[Michelle]

Reading through Jay's post about Ted I had a town Ted vibe from the quoted posts.
Town Ted is often wrong in a sure way and get mislynched players with his conviction.
Idk how are looking his latest scum games because I only saw him villager since his mafia hiatus from autumn. But he was more blendy as scum.
If I am allowed to post a link to an outside forum I will post a recent town Ted game.

@Juliets you said Jack's stuborness about Jay may come from a mechanical evidence. Also Jack TR Tranq. Would it be possible for Jack to have any alignament checks? Is normal for town Jack to be wrong, but would he spend his all day on Jay just because his own read? Wouldn't be healthier for town to have a larger view over the game? Jack's behaviour doesn't fit in a normal towny play.

Michelle thanks for the info about ted. I need to consider what you are saying.

I thought maybe Jack's stubbornness on Jay was because he tracked Jay one night and saw him target someone who died. Jack was able to track someone, watch someone, or protect himself from a NK. He didn't have any alignment checks. I looked at the items to make sure there wasn't an alignment check there and there wasn't. Jack has been known to tunnel as both town and scum - remember he did it to nutella early in the game.

I was on the wrong part of Jack's tunnel as both AIs so I know how this works. But his obsession on Jay was way too big.

The same question for you, do you have any explanation for the double kills in some nights?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]juliets[/mention] remind me why you like Tranq or direct me to the relevant posts you've already made. Please don't spend a ton of time answering this. Give me the gist.

[Epignosis]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

[Michelle]

Folks want to clear this guy all game long based on BTSC when a janitor exists, and we deserve what we get.

Who is "this guy?"

Epignosis

you didn't read my posts. I cleared him based on the way Sloonei talked about him and his presence in the lynch d4 level.
Do you think I am wrong? It's just logic, not mafia science but looks solid.

I can understand why you might like him on the basis of Sloonei's comments. That was my initial take. Consider Epignosis's comments on Sloonei though. I hated that review.

Remind me what you like about his Day 4.

I have to read that day, I was in the dream level and my time to read wasn't so big. Shamefully I know nothing from that day on the main level.
And now is 3:40 am. I may look at it but I can't promise to finish until Eod who is at 5 am for me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

I'm asking for her opinion on a player I suspect. Her opinion may influence my own.

Your posts have been garbage today.

[Michelle]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

Epi what do you think about the night where we had 2 town kills? What could cause it?

[Epignosis]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

I'm asking for her opinion on a player I suspect. Her opinion may influence my own.

Your posts have been garbage today.

That's because I'm Oscar the Grouch.

[Epignosis]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

Epi what do you think about the night where we had 2 town kills? What could cause it?

Which night was that? I'm not keeping up.

[juliets]

@juliets remind me why you like Tranq or direct me to the relevant posts you've already made. Please don't spend a ton of time answering this. Give me the gist.

I liked his scum reads Days 7 and 8, he had the same thought I did about Jack having maybe tracked you to a kill, he thought Sloonei was bad when almost no one was looking at him, and he nailed the description of my game. Also, he hasn't been heavily involved and my memory, corroborated by SVS, is that he's much more involved as scum.

lots of linki

[juliets]

Reading through Jay's post about Ted I had a town Ted vibe from the quoted posts.
Town Ted is often wrong in a sure way and get mislynched players with his conviction.
Idk how are looking his latest scum games because I only saw him villager since his mafia hiatus from autumn. But he was more blendy as scum.
If I am allowed to post a link to an outside forum I will post a recent town Ted game.

@Juliets you said Jack's stuborness about Jay may come from a mechanical evidence. Also Jack TR Tranq. Would it be possible for Jack to have any alignament checks? Is normal for town Jack to be wrong, but would he spend his all day on Jay just because his own read? Wouldn't be healthier for town to have a larger view over the game? Jack's behaviour doesn't fit in a normal towny play.

Michelle thanks for the info about ted. I need to consider what you are saying.

I thought maybe Jack's stubbornness on Jay was because he tracked Jay one night and saw him target someone who died. Jack was able to track someone, watch someone, or protect himself from a NK. He didn't have any alignment checks. I looked at the items to make sure there wasn't an alignment check there and there wasn't. Jack has been known to tunnel as both town and scum - remember he did it to nutella early in the game.

I was on the wrong part of Jack's tunnel as both AIs so I know how this works. But his obsession on Jay was way too big.

The same question for you, do you have any explanation for the double kills in some nights?

Michelle, I don't have an explanation other than the night TH shot sabie with a bow. I might have a better idea if I study your list you made on the deaths.

[Michelle]

Yeah I’ve been slacking this game

But it’s been on purpose I assure you

If anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

Also let’s not forget the mechanics of inception mafia today, there’s at least one mafia for each level if it’s staying true to the original

[Tangrowth]

Oh shit MP is watching us masturbate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@juliets remind me why you like Tranq or direct me to the relevant posts you've already made. Please don't spend a ton of time answering this. Give me the gist.

I liked his scum reads Days 7 and 8, he had the same thought I did about Jack having maybe tracked you to a kill, he thought Sloonei was bad when almost no one was looking at him, and he nailed the description of my game. Also, he hasn't been heavily involved and my memory, corroborated by SVS, is that he's much more involved as scum.

lots of linki

I don't think his suspicion of Sloonei is worth anything. My review -- He didn't say anything about Sloonei at all until Day 6, and by that point I don't think it was unpopular to call Sloonei a suspect. Tranq didn't pursue it with any fervor. He's been too busy planting himself on me. I also don't think his read on you means much of anything. It's not as though he is treading dangerous water with that. It's safe.

I have never seen a "heavily involved" Tranq in my life.

[juliets]

Yeah I’ve been slacking this game

But it’s been on purpose I assure you

If anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

Also let’s not forget the mechanics of inception mafia today, there’s at least one mafia for each level if it’s staying true to the original

Yeah Michelle I thought this too. Epi has argued that this may not be true and the main level could have been all civs but I still think there was at least one on each level. That would mean either Epi or ted was bad. I chose ted but obviously need to take into consideration what you are saying about ted. I'm not convinced though that Epi is bad.

[Epignosis]

@juliets remind me why you like Tranq or direct me to the relevant posts you've already made. Please don't spend a ton of time answering this. Give me the gist.

I liked his scum reads Days 7 and 8, he had the same thought I did about Jack having maybe tracked you to a kill, he thought Sloonei was bad when almost no one was looking at him, and he nailed the description of my game. Also, he hasn't been heavily involved and my memory, corroborated by SVS, is that he's much more involved as scum.

lots of linki

I don't think his suspicion of Sloonei is worth anything. My review -- He didn't say anything about Sloonei at all until Day 6, and by that point I don't think it was unpopular to call Sloonei a suspect. Tranq didn't pursue it with any fervor. He's been too busy planting himself on me. I also don't think his read on you means much of anything. It's not as though he is treading dangerous water with that. It's safe.

I have never seen a "heavily involved" Tranq in my life.

Pick one person. Who should die today instead of you?

[Michelle]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

Epi what do you think about the night where we had 2 town kills? What could cause it?

Which night was that? I'm not keeping up.

look at this post. And you didn't read the thread :/
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 58#p594158

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Pick one person. Who should die today instead of you?

Tranq

[Michelle]

Yeah I’ve been slacking this game

But it’s been on purpose I assure you

If anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

Also let’s not forget the mechanics of inception mafia today, there’s at least one mafia for each level if it’s staying true to the original

Yeah Michelle I thought this too. Epi has argued that this may not be true and the main level could have been all civs but I still think there was at least one on each level. That would mean either Epi or ted was bad. I chose ted but obviously need to take into consideration what you are saying about ted. I'm not convinced though that Epi is bad.

Epi not reading the thread as villager I already saw. BUT. idk :/ looks bad.

[Epignosis]

Yeah I’ve been slacking this game

But it’s been on purpose I assure you

If anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

Also let’s not forget the mechanics of inception mafia today, there’s at least one mafia for each level if it’s staying true to the original

Yeah Michelle I thought this too. Epi has argued that this may not be true and the main level could have been all civs but I still think there was at least one on each level. That would mean either Epi or ted was bad. I chose ted but obviously need to take into consideration what you are saying about ted. I'm not convinced though that Epi is bad.

"If everything is staying true to the original."

Things are not staying true to the original!

I swear to Christ if I get lynched based on the idea that "OH GEE SOMEBODY HAS TO BE BAD THERE" I will cough on all of you.

[Epignosis]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

Epi what do you think about the night where we had 2 town kills? What could cause it?

Which night was that? I'm not keeping up.

look at this post. And you didn't read the thread :/
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 58#p594158

I read the thread. I ignore your colored things. It's true.

[Michelle]

Actually there’s probably two mafia in here there aren’t THAT many players left

[Epignosis]

Actually there’s probably two mafia in here there aren’t THAT many players left

I don't know what this is referring to.

[Michelle]

I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

Epi what do you think about the night where we had 2 town kills? What could cause it?

Which night was that? I'm not keeping up.

look at this post. And you didn't read the thread :/
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 58#p594158

I read the thread. I ignore your colored things. It's true.

Thanks for appreciation. I feel special.

[Michelle]

Actually there’s probably two mafia in here there aren’t THAT many players left

I don't know what this is referring to.

d4 quotes. nothing more. ideas townies had in the game. Not that they are true, but somehow Nanook died night killed and his ideas may be important.
Proove me wrong.

[Epignosis]

Actually there’s probably two mafia in here there aren’t THAT many players left

I don't know what this is referring to.

d4 quotes. nothing more. ideas townies had in the game. Not that they are true, but somehow Nanook died night killed and his ideas may be important.
Proove me wrong.

I don't know that I need to prove you wrong? Sorry. I'm still not sure what you're asking.

[juliets]

[mention]Michelle[/mention] the second double kill that occurred on Night 4 could have also been Turnip Head using his vig power that went with his role, Jack of All Trades. If it was him he mistakenly killed a civ.

[Michelle]

Actually there’s probably two mafia in here there aren’t THAT many players left

I don't know what this is referring to.

d4 quotes. nothing more. ideas townies had in the game. Not that they are true, but somehow Nanook died night killed and his ideas may be important.
Proove me wrong.

I don't know that I need to prove you wrong? Sorry. I'm still not sure what you're asking.

nvm. we don't mindmeld no matter what.

Answer pls at my NKs question

[Epignosis]

Actually there’s probably two mafia in here there aren’t THAT many players left

I don't know what this is referring to.

d4 quotes. nothing more. ideas townies had in the game. Not that they are true, but somehow Nanook died night killed and his ideas may be important.
Proove me wrong.

I don't know that I need to prove you wrong? Sorry. I'm still not sure what you're asking.

nvm. we don't mindmeld no matter what.

Answer pls at my NKs question

What is your "NKs question?"

[Michelle]

@Michelle the second double kill that occurred on Night 4 could have also been Turnip Head using his vig power that went with his role, Jack of All Trades. If it was him he mistakenly killed a civ.

yes. may be. And then, who was suspected by TH?

[Michelle]

Actually there’s probably two mafia in here there aren’t THAT many players left

I don't know what this is referring to.

d4 quotes. nothing more. ideas townies had in the game. Not that they are true, but somehow Nanook died night killed and his ideas may be important.
Proove me wrong.

I don't know that I need to prove you wrong? Sorry. I'm still not sure what you're asking.

nvm. we don't mindmeld no matter what.

Answer pls at my NKs question

What is your "NKs question?"

I asked you few posts above. Why do you have to be like this?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis
Doesn't look like a civilian
BTSC theory for civilian role
Can fit with both teams
Would lynch

juliets
Looks like a civilian
Not great fit for Anti-Monitors
Can fit with the Masters in theory; I don't buy it
Would not lynch

Michelle
Looks similar to a civilian
Mechanical clearance from Anti-Monitors
Not great fit with Masters
Would not lynch

speedchuck
Looks like a civilian via emotional appeal
Can fit with both teams
Would not lynch

tedxtr
Looks like a civilian
Mediocre fit with Anti-Monitors
Mediocre fit with Masters
Need convincing

TonyStarkPrime
Looks like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

Tranq
Doesn't look like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

[juliets]

@Michelle the second double kill that occurred on Night 4 could have also been Turnip Head using his vig power that went with his role, Jack of All Trades. If it was him he mistakenly killed a civ.

yes. may be. And then, who was suspected by TH?

I can't remember that far back. I would have to go into his ISO to see. Also, could be he was aiming for someone else and sig switched him.

[Michelle]

The ghost of Macdougall haunts this place.

Nanook is the anti monitor. Sprityo is the cop. My team is gonna win. Sorry about being a prick Dom.

Guys you lynched Sprityo after that?

[juliets]

Epignosis
Doesn't look like a civilian
BTSC theory for civilian role
Can fit with both teams
Would lynch

juliets
Looks like a civilian
Not great fit for Anti-Monitors
Can fit with the Masters in theory; I don't buy it
Would not lynch

Michelle
Looks similar to a civilian
Mechanical clearance from Anti-Monitors
Not great fit with Masters
Would not lynch

speedchuck
Looks like a civilian via emotional appeal
Can fit with both teams
Would not lynch

tedxtr
Looks like a civilian
Mediocre fit with Anti-Monitors
Mediocre fit with Masters
Need convincing

TonyStarkPrime
Looks like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

Tranq
Doesn't look like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

Can you expand on your TSP read?

[Epignosis]

I don't know what this is referring to.

d4 quotes. nothing more. ideas townies had in the game. Not that they are true, but somehow Nanook died night killed and his ideas may be important.
Proove me wrong.

I don't know that I need to prove you wrong? Sorry. I'm still not sure what you're asking.

nvm. we don't mindmeld no matter what.

Answer pls at my NKs question

What is your "NKs question?"

I asked you few posts above. Why do you have to be like this?

Be like what? I do not understand your question. I really do not.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can you expand on your TSP read?

He fits with Sloonei and Sloonei fits with him

The Mac interaction isn't quite like that. Something's gotta give. I struggle to see a Master team that isn't two of these three people: Epignosis, Tony, Tranq

[Epignosis]

Michelle, I'm not trying to obstruct things. I really don't know what you're asking me.

If anyone else does, please chime in.