tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:33 pm
My case died 20 pages ago, please state what you are doing on my wagon
Contention 1: Your reads have not been impressive to me. I've already explained how you have gone backtracked with several of your reads and your other reads have been shallow.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:53 pm
I feel like LC is playing scummy on purpose
How so? Does that make him town? This is your only post on him by the way
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:03 am
It's going from the premise Epignosis is town.
"is this a social distancing thing" is playful banter, it's not like he wants Epi to move his vote, it almost feels manipulative to the point of "I guess if I make a joke about his vote being insane, he'll double down on it"
Plus, the sorting question followed by the banter question kind of nullifies the interrogative question you know. It's not how a wolf treats his partner, I think I have some insight into Sloonei's antispew and he'd want to at least entertain the interrogatory process for a bit, follow through with more questions, whereas this is like...Defeating the purpose from the start. It's not done to actually figure out his reasoning or anything.
I don't know that's all you get, my mind is a beautiful messy place.
So if Epi is town, this read holds, but if he isn't, it doesn't? Your surrounding posts don't really clarify this
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:41 am
Word salad. Leetic's post about Sloonei's activity at SoD felt out of place, so did his "setup speculation" post. In Sloonei's position as town, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand. If Leetic were scum though, it wouldn't be an issue because he'd know that his scum buds aren't missing so who the fuck cares about two townies missing.
As I already explained, this post only works under the assumption that neither of the missing players are wolves
Contention 2: Your reaction to me
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:42 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm
Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?
No. What's weird about it?
I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early
You have absolutely no scum reads on anyone on your wagon, what even triggered this comment.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:46 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:42 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm
Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?
No. What's weird about it?
I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early
Why? Which one?
It's still pretty early in the game when many users are throwing around suspicions. But a wagon of four people, rather close to the number needed to hammer, is not a thrown suspicion. It's a clear choice. Especially jarring when no other wagon has reached three yet.
One of the users on my wagon is ted, who I have found suspicious for other reasons. But I think the person whose vote on me looks the worst is Mac. First of all is how subtly he voted - he didn't even post that he voted for me until much later, despite being the third vote on me - the point where it becomes a viable wagon. Secondly, when he finally posted a reason for the vote, he just phrased it as following ted and not mentioning anything about me. Overall, a very sneaky vote that was barely noticed, and the results of which are clear.
So you think there are 2 scum and not one.
And you just described a town vote 9/10 times, I don't believe that you actually think Mac is wolf based on how bad his vote looks on you. That's mostly town.
You lumped me with mac because the higher the number of suspicions, the better it looks for you. What do you have on me, I barely remember you saying anything about me?
These posts were just very presumptive about me. Like the previously mentioned post on me, this post seems designed to paint me in the worst light. I start to get suspicious
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:23 pm
I actually don’t, why is that hard to believe?
I mean, it happened only yesterday, plus you actually responded to me. Seems convenient that you would forget it when it helps your agenda to do so.
Yes, because letting myself get picked on by you on purpose helps my agenda by a huge ton.
When if I were scum, I could just go back over and read it.
I’m literally laying out baits and you’re taking each one of them.
Make me look townier please :P
This is not how someone who is town responds. Even if he was correct about the fact that he was "laying out baits", consider that he had a vote on me this whole time and was posting weird suspicion about me. If it was "bait", then his entire suspicion of me would be based on false premises, yet he never backed down. His read on me just looks very fake.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:00 pm
All you’ve done was to move your vote for level 1 surface reads.
I would like to point out the irony of this statement as none of his reads at that point were any deeper.
And it doesn't get better from here:
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:06 pm
@Long Con come vote leetic
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:09 pm
Master radishes you literally can’t read me, please switch to leetic.
I've called out Drago for the same thing and it honestly looks worse here. You seemed more concerned with lynching me than reading me. I mean, by this point your case on me is what, my page one vote, me being suspicious that my wagon is growing rapidly, and me suspecting you. Maybe there's something in there that doesn't look good, but it surely isn't enough to just drop everything and get me gone no questions asked.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:21 pm
Let me live to Day2, that’s when I shine, more towards late game. I’ll give a huge post with everyone listed. Ted talk thing.
I need the night for myself, I can’t both defend myself against cases and solve, you can’t possibly expect me to do that
Feels like more an appeal to emotion than anything else.
Contention 3: Poisoning the well
When he went back after the breakdown, he had a constant insistence that his wagon was a "page two thing" ignoring posts by me and others. As I said, he is completely uncooperative.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pm
Like this is fucking ludicrous, everyone but me is getting pushed, Long Con is pushed, TSP is pushed, Speedchuck is pushed, and I’m still being top wagon, TH is pushed
Fucking read the game state correctly, MY WAGON IS A PAGE 2 THING AND IT HAS NO NEW EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT
Your posts on LC have been shallow and you haven't really discussed TSP, TH, or speed. It looks like you are depending on other people to make scumreads.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:26 pm
And yet for 50 something hours I’ve managed to be the counterwagon to people like Leetic and Long Con and their wagons crumble and mine stays up although I’m the towniest motherfucker in this entire playerlist
And they’ve barely done anything
I think it is difficult to argue that I've barely done anything, and again, this reads like scum desperate to throw the wagon on anybody else rather than town trying to lynch who's scummy.
In short, ted has posted very shallow reads despite criticizing me for posting shallow reads, has a case on me that just seems to assume the worst about me, has tunneled on that case to the exclusion of other users, and has been trying to throw the spotlight on anyone but himself of late. I'm happy where my vote is for now.