Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 3]

[Epignosis]

So we’re in world C

I’m the 2 shot doc, MP got strongmanned N1. I thought fake claiming a red and seeing how things broke would open up the game, especially as I knew two people would know the check wasn’t real. My plan was to then claim tracker at night and try to get my second save off.

Which is partly why I wanted nutella TKed, the way she jumped on the check smelled like someone setting up “TK the ‘red’ check then murder the fake cop.”

I believe Nanook. I don't see a fake doc-claim including this part about MP. He tried to protect MP night 1, and the kill still went through. If this is fake, then I applaud his attention to creative detail.

Talk to me. World C would mean there's a two shot doctor. Right?

No that's not right. I rescind my grin.

[Epignosis]

You mean the mafia team might not be playing optimally? Oh gee. Never saw that one before.

Okay.

There you go.

Stop for a moment.

Breathe.

Reflect.

You're close.

It's not just suboptimal, Epignosis.

It's terrible.

It's fucking moronic.

It's the stuff of idiots.

Okay?

There's no need for the brilliant mafia duet of JJJ and Nanook to play these games instead of just, you know, winning it. The normal way. There wasn't likely to be a ton of resistance to me especially. This shit doesn't make sense. Use your head.

I am right.

[nutella]

So we’re in world C

I’m the 2 shot doc, MP got strongmanned N1. I thought fake claiming a red and seeing how things broke would open up the game, especially as I knew two people would know the check wasn’t real. My plan was to then claim tracker at night and try to get my second save off.

Which is partly why I wanted nutella TKed, the way she jumped on the check smelled like someone setting up “TK the ‘red’ check then murder the fake cop.”

I believe Nanook. I don't see a fake doc-claim including this part about MP. He tried to protect MP night 1, and the kill still went through. If this is fake, then I applaud his attention to creative detail.

Talk to me. World C would mean there's a two shot doctor. Right?

No that's not right. I rescind my grin.

what is this

[Long Con]

You mean the mafia team might not be playing optimally? Oh gee. Never saw that one before.

Okay.

There you go.

Stop for a moment.

Breathe.

Reflect.

You're close.

It's not just suboptimal, Epignosis.

It's terrible.

It's fucking moronic.

It's the stuff of idiots.

Okay?

There's no need for the brilliant mafia duet of JJJ and Nanook to play these games instead of just, you know, winning it. The normal way. There wasn't likely to be a ton of resistance to me especially. This shit doesn't make sense. Use your head.

[Long Con]

So we’re in world C

I’m the 2 shot doc, MP got strongmanned N1. I thought fake claiming a red and seeing how things broke would open up the game, especially as I knew two people would know the check wasn’t real. My plan was to then claim tracker at night and try to get my second save off.

Which is partly why I wanted nutella TKed, the way she jumped on the check smelled like someone setting up “TK the ‘red’ check then murder the fake cop.”

I believe Nanook. I don't see a fake doc-claim including this part about MP. He tried to protect MP night 1, and the kill still went through. If this is fake, then I applaud his attention to creative detail.

Talk to me. World C would mean there's a two shot doctor. Right?

No that's not right. I rescind my grin.

what is this

World... C... does have a doctor...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am right.

And I am insulted.

When the hell does JaggedJimmyJay think a 1-for-1 swap in a game of 9 (with 7 alive) is worth doing? You never fucking do that.

[Epignosis]

I am right.

And I am insulted.

When the hell does JaggedJimmyJay think a 1-for-1 swap in a game of 9 (with 7 alive) is worth doing? You never fucking do that.

And I don't give a fuck.

You can beat your chest all you like. You did not play like a civilian here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am right.

And I am insulted.

When the hell does JaggedJimmyJay think a 1-for-1 swap in a game of 9 (with 7 alive) is worth doing? You never fucking do that.

And I don't give a fuck.

You can beat your chest all you like. You did not play like a civilian here.

You don't know what a civilian is. Not on this turf.

Such a stupid fucking conversation

[Epignosis]

So we’re in world C

I’m the 2 shot doc, MP got strongmanned N1. I thought fake claiming a red and seeing how things broke would open up the game, especially as I knew two people would know the check wasn’t real. My plan was to then claim tracker at night and try to get my second save off.

Which is partly why I wanted nutella TKed, the way she jumped on the check smelled like someone setting up “TK the ‘red’ check then murder the fake cop.”

I believe Nanook. I don't see a fake doc-claim including this part about MP. He tried to protect MP night 1, and the kill still went through. If this is fake, then I applaud his attention to creative detail.

Talk to me. World C would mean there's a two shot doctor. Right?

No that's not right. I rescind my grin.

what is this

I made a mistake. Move on. If you want to dwell on it, fine. I don't care.

[Epignosis]

I am right.

And I am insulted.

When the hell does JaggedJimmyJay think a 1-for-1 swap in a game of 9 (with 7 alive) is worth doing? You never fucking do that.

And I don't give a fuck.

You can beat your chest all you like. You did not play like a civilian here.

You don't know what a civilian is. Not on this turf.

Such a stupid fucking conversation

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

[Long Con]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

Not if Epi is bad. You seem sure he's not.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

Not if Epi is bad. You seem sure he's not.

I don't think he killed MP. If anyone in this game would have the same motivations to refuse that as I would, it's him.

I'm pissed that he thinks I did that, but whatever.

[Epignosis]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

0.000 ----> 0.000

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

0.000 ----> 0.000

Quite likely both true

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's only my second game in 2020 though.

[Epignosis]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

Not if Epi is bad. You seem sure he's not.

I don't think he killed MP. If anyone in this game would have the same motivations to refuse that as I would, it's him.

I'm pissed that he thinks I did that, but whatever.

Dude, you gave up on that already:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p597955

If you gave up on that for other people, then I don't know what to tell you.

[nutella]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

Not if Epi is bad. You seem sure he's not.

I don't think he killed MP. If anyone in this game would have the same motivations to refuse that as I would, it's him.

I'm pissed that he thinks I did that, but whatever.

I don't really like how you keep coming back to that one point. It's bordering on angleshooting and citing out-of-game character as evidence. Like, you're probably right, but you're harping on it a bit much this late in the game when we have other stuff to use.

Maybe Epi is onto something. Something's not quite right with you.

[Epignosis]

Listen, JJJ, I am cool not lynching you tomorrow.

I will lynch Nanook instead. That's fine with me. Nanook did nothing a cop should do and now is giving us more bullshit power role stuff. I want him dead. I am not mafia. What do you think about that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dude, you gave up on that already:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p597955

If you gave up on that for other people, then I don't know what to tell you.

I stopped for a moment and reconsidered it.

I decided I still feel that way. I know how strongly I feel about it, and you're a member of the same admin group. It applies to you more strongly than Long Con or the others.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

Not if Epi is bad. You seem sure he's not.

I don't think he killed MP. If anyone in this game would have the same motivations to refuse that as I would, it's him.

I'm pissed that he thinks I did that, but whatever.

I don't really like how you keep coming back to that one point. It's bordering on angleshooting and citing out-of-game character as evidence. Like, you're probably right, but you're harping on it a bit much this late in the game when we have other stuff to use.

Maybe Epi is onto something. Something's not quite right with you.

Maybe it's a dick move, and if so I'm sorry. But it's true. It's already in the game. The mafia team decided to kill someone that I absolutely wouldn't have killed, and so I said it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Listen, JJJ, I am cool not lynching you tomorrow.

I will lynch Nanook instead. That's fine with me. Nanook did nothing a cop should do and now is giving us more bullshit power role stuff. I want him dead. I am not mafia. What do you think about that?

If you're a doctor I will sever his head and mail it to you myself.

[Epignosis]

Listen, JJJ, I am cool not lynching you tomorrow.

I will lynch Nanook instead. That's fine with me. Nanook did nothing a cop should do and now is giving us more bullshit power role stuff. I want him dead. I am not mafia. What do you think about that?

If you're a doctor I will sever his head and mail it to you myself.

It doesn't bother you at all that he's claimed two roles both compatible with a dead 1-shot-tracker which are also both compatible with role cops?

Come on. This is 101 shit here. Nanook is so bad. And you facilitated him the entire time, never questioning.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Listen, JJJ, I am cool not lynching you tomorrow.

I will lynch Nanook instead. That's fine with me. Nanook did nothing a cop should do and now is giving us more bullshit power role stuff. I want him dead. I am not mafia. What do you think about that?

If you're a doctor I will sever his head and mail it to you myself.

It doesn't bother you at all that he's claimed two roles both compatible with a dead 1-shot-tracker which are also both compatible with role cops?

Come on. This is 101 shit here. Nanook is so bad. And you facilitated him the entire time, never questioning.

Without a counterclaim, all of that is irrelevant.

101.

[Epignosis]

I'm reposting this for anybody who hasn't seen it.

Any motherfucking cop who gets a real check is going to make sure his motherfucking allies know what that motherfucking check is before the Day phase ends.

Does anybody disagree with that?

Nanook didn't do that.

JJJ didn't abuse him or push him for failing to provide the civilians with the one piece of fucking information crucial to making a smarter decision.

Why not?

We're at Night 2, and none of us know what Nanook's cop check was. That is horseshit.

Conveniently, his Night 0 check was MP7. The dead guy. Terrific. What a coinkydink.

Take a look at the Matrix on the front page.

JJJ has put is in UNIVERSE 1 because he does not dispute the existence of Nanook's claim (which he should, because fuck that Day 2 "cop" play).

I believe we are actually in UNIVERSE 3.

In this scenario, the mafia has two role checks. If mafia role-checked Jack, they would know they could safely fake UNIVERSE 1.

Nanook claims cop with a Night peek and plays games with everyone else all fucking Day 2.

JJJ plays games with him and never pushes him for an actual claim, meanwhile facepalming at everyone who doesn't understand matrices (which, at the time, I thought was kind of funny, but I digress).

If I am correct, the actual mafia knows there's no goddamned "1-shot cop w/n0 peek" and Nanook faked it. No one could dispute the claim, because "1-shot tracker" is compatible with "1-shot cop w/n0 peek."

Nanook and JJJ are mafia.

[Epignosis]

Listen, JJJ, I am cool not lynching you tomorrow.

I will lynch Nanook instead. That's fine with me. Nanook did nothing a cop should do and now is giving us more bullshit power role stuff. I want him dead. I am not mafia. What do you think about that?

If you're a doctor I will sever his head and mail it to you myself.

It doesn't bother you at all that he's claimed two roles both compatible with a dead 1-shot-tracker which are also both compatible with role cops?

Come on. This is 101 shit here. Nanook is so bad. And you facilitated him the entire time, never questioning.

Without a counterclaim, all of that is irrelevant.

101.

Not true.

Is anybody required to counterclaim?

[Epignosis]

Is power hunting not a thing with mafia?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not true.

Is anybody required to counterclaim?

Nobody is "required", but if they make that decision they've earned a pie in the face.

In the night phase it's moot. It should have happened at the end of Day 2 if it was to happen. It didn't. If it happens Day 3, then we can proceed from there.

[Epignosis]

I am 95% sure I'm right about this scenario.

If anyone feels differently, do your thing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is power hunting not a thing with mafia?

"Power hunting" is a thing, sure. And if Johnny the Doctor was so worried about that that they let Day 2 pass without a word, they fucked up. Some things are more important than that.

[Epignosis]

Oh! Oh! Oh!

Did I just admit I'm not a doctor?

I don't know.

Kill me and see.

[Epignosis]

Maxtrix games are officially fun.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh! Oh! Oh!

Did I just admit I'm not a doctor?

I don't know.

Kill me and see.

Just to easy my frustration. Please affirm that you realize the following:

If you, Epignosis, are not the doctor, then that means for Nanook to be anything other than the doctor, someone else in this game had to have withheld their role while also playing along with a claim they knew to be fake.

Whatever your opinion of events or your own role, please just tell me you understand that statement to be true.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m not going to protect myself. Come and kill me mafia!

[Epignosis]

Oh! Oh! Oh!

Did I just admit I'm not a doctor?

I don't know.

Kill me and see.

Just to easy my frustration. Please affirm that you realize the following:

If you, Epignosis, are not the doctor, then that means for Nanook to be anything other than the doctor, someone else in this game had to have withheld their role while also playing along with a claim they knew to be fake.

Whatever your opinion of events or your own role, please just tell me you understand that statement to be true.

I'm going to give you a hint.

I don't give a toss about your frustration. You wrote this matrix, you ridiculed people for not understanding it (again, I laughed, so half points on that), and now you want me to ease your frustration?

No hell no.

Nanook should burn in hell. Nanook is making up shit consistent with what is extant in the thread.

I might have no problem with that except IT SERVES NO FUCKING PURPOSE FOR CIVILIANS.

I am Robin again. I have small hands and a big voice.

[Epignosis]

I’m not going to protect myself. Come and kill me mafia!

See you Sunday!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m not going to protect myself. Come and kill me mafia!

See you Sunday!

The only way you’re guaranteed a NK is if it’s me!

[Epignosis]

I’m not going to protect myself. Come and kill me mafia!

See you Sunday!

The only way you’re guaranteed a NK is if it’s me!

You got a lot of mileage out of your 1-shot cop w/n0 peek claim? Why?

[Epignosis]

Now you're a doctor.

[Epignosis]

Folks this is HORSESHIT coming from a mafia role cop.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I'm a mafia role cop whoever the second town PR is just gamethrew FYPOV

Given that nobody here is that stupid...

[Epignosis]

If I'm a mafia role cop whoever the second town PR is just gamethrew FYPOV

Given that nobody here is that stupid...

No. I don't believe that. Everyone here are good mafia players. Fuck that.

[Epignosis]

Lynch Nanook.

Lynch JJJ.

Win this shit.

[Epignosis]

If I'm bad, I need one lynch to win. I'm asking for two. Come on civilians. Support me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I'm a mafia role cop whoever the second town PR is just gamethrew FYPOV

Given that nobody here is that stupid...

No. I don't believe that. Everyone here are good mafia players. Fuck that.

To live in the universe you've portrayed, there must be at least two bad Mafia players.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to give you a hint.

I don't give a toss about your frustration. You wrote this matrix, you ridiculed people for not understanding it (again, I laughed, so half points on that), and now you want me to ease your frustration?

No hell no.

Nanook should burn in hell. Nanook is making up shit consistent with what is extant in the thread.

I might have no problem with that except IT SERVES NO FUCKING PURPOSE FOR CIVILIANS.

I am Robin again. I have small hands and a big voice.

You're a bad listener.

[Epignosis]

If I'm a mafia role cop whoever the second town PR is just gamethrew FYPOV

Given that nobody here is that stupid...

No. I don't believe that. Everyone here are good mafia players. Fuck that.

To live in the universe you've portrayed, there must be at least two bad Mafia players.

Or one scrupulous mafia player.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to give you a hint.

I don't give a toss about your frustration. You wrote this matrix, you ridiculed people for not understanding it (again, I laughed, so half points on that), and now you want me to ease your frustration?

No hell no.

Nanook should burn in hell. Nanook is making up shit consistent with what is extant in the thread.

I might have no problem with that except IT SERVES NO FUCKING PURPOSE FOR CIVILIANS.

I am Robin again. I have small hands and a big voice.

You're a bad listener.

Don't give a shit.

[Epignosis]

JJJ-

Hey look, I'm going this thing where I am going to advocate the lynching of Nanook.

Is that a good idea? Why or why not?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Or one scrupulous mafia player.

Somewhere along the way to 95% confidence, you lost the capacity to grapple with the flaws in your own perspective. Your MO isn't necessarily this kind of mindless stubbornness, so I am going to take confidence that you'll sleep on this or something.